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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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FakePromise
United States77 Posts
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Looks like a bus in action. (Bussing is when a mafia who knows that they will die and so try to give credibility and influence to another mafia member with their death. In this case I think mafia is bussing Fake to make zarepath look better.) I want to emphasize that fakepromise flipping whatever does not throw my analysis out the window. It does not. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
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dreamflower
United States312 Posts
![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eEdJUm68NWs/S9-TxovzOBI/AAAAAAAABWg/hgRzKNHHcmU/s320/gallows.jpg) Start of Night 1 At first, the small town of Liquidville responded to the news of four escaped murderers in their midst with calm complacency, as though unable to believe such criminals could walk among them undetected. As the day wore on, though, the citizens slowly but surely grew inflamed with suspicions -- suspicions about each other, about the escaped Mafiosos, and about how they could possibly tell one from the other. Confused and worried, the citizens of Liquidville decided to meet in the town square for a community meeting, so that everyone could speak and share their thoughts on the criminals' whereabouts. The cacophony of voices and opinions was deafening. Everyone pointed fingers one way or the other…everyone, but FakePromise, a tall serious-faced man who stood quietly in the back watching and saying nothing. Somehow, in the midst of all the clamor, his silence became too noticeable to ignore. "He's not saying much!" "That must mean he's hiding something!" "Look at him, he must be Mafia!" The cries echoed throughout the town square. "Drag him up to the gallows, so we can see the color of his blood!" Uttering virtually soundless protests, FakePromise was dragged to the center of the square and strung up on the gallows. Even when he died, the man barely made a noise. However, the greenish-tinged blood spurting from FakePromise's mouth spoke loudly enough for him. FakePromise has been lynched. Night 1 has begun! Please send your night actions to me and Qatol. Night ends in 24 hours, on Friday, Jan. 27 at 03:00 GMT (+00:00). TheFearedBeing has been modkilled and is being replaced by Adam4167. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
As is regular with newbie games, someone went inactive and now you're stuck with me =) Ill catch up the thread over the next 24 hours. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On January 27 2012 11:15 slOosh wrote: It's your choice of using "blue" to represent town alignment that is questionable, especially considering you used the phrase "townie/blue" several times in the same post. It's not a slight misuse to say that blue means town. Using green to represent town is common. No one uses blue to do it. Except you. Town is blue, town is green -- this is the most trivial thing in the world. I don't see how a first-time player simply categorizing good as blue and red as bad belies mafia. Lynching for info is dumb. We get info regardless of who is lynched, and yet you keep using this excuse to push forward lynches. It is clear that we have thrown out no-lynch as a poor choice. It is illogical to use this excuse of information gathering to support lynching specific people. And so I stopped supporting that plan! We got information just from accusing zelblade, which was the goal in the end anyway. Your problem with my plan is more based on theory than it is inherent guilt. Yea, sure: My post, Zel's response, then yours 3 posts and 5 hours down. Who was the one with the FOS ???? Congratulations, I guess? You beat me to using the acronym? I honestly still don't understand your problem with this one. I backed off the pressure because everyone hated my plan. This wasn't one of the cases I pushed, but you use WIFOM very often. Wouldn'ts and woulds don't help us. Vote timing IS an indication. If you really believed it to be true then you stick with it. Much like I am sticking my neck out gunning for you. If you can't even make the first vote on your own analysis then clearly you don't believe it, you aren't acting on your words and that is called deception - something only a mafia would do. How many times in the thread did people lay suspicion on someone and not vote? Almost every single time. But when I argue to not vote for someone, I have to immediately vote for my number one target in the same post or else I'm deceiving everyone? That's not deceptive. It was clear to everyone who I wanted to vote for. I stuck my neck way out for that, calling attention on myself to defend someone that was easily on his path to be lynched; there was no chance I could back off that analysis, and no reason to, either, as it was honest analysis meant to help the town from mis-lynching. The actual formality of the vote was just that -- a formality. When Simberto called for votes to come in so the Europeans could go to bed, that's when I put mine in. That's all there was to it. Look, I'm not mafia. I don't know why mafia would behave the way I've behaved this entire first day. But we're having this 4-6 player discussion about an active townie while everyone else gets by just bandwagoning and not contributing anything. | ||
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
I've become less suspicious of zarepath since after he gave up on his first plan, and I don't think that slOosh's points are too condemning. Instead, I'm going to make a case against Bromancipate. I'm not going to quote all of his posts and do a point-by-point analysis, because I think it's way too easy to get caught up in confirmation bias at that point. Instead, I'm going to focus on two things. 1) He begins with some strong posts, bickers with me for a bit, and then goes quiet. This allows him to avoid being labeled as an inactive/lurking player, but, if you look at what he's written, there really isn't that much of substance. His most recent post (as of this post) said that he should respond to any new developments near the end of Day 1, but he has had nothing to say on the rather-important motion to switch to zarepath. Considering that the account is actually two people, both of whom are normally rather active on TL, this relative quiet seems out of place. 2) His bickering with me revolves around him failing to comprehend a turn of phrase that he and I in turn quoted a total of five times ("I don't agree with not [...]"). While I understand that using a double negative was difficult to comprehend, the extent to which he pulled on that string seems rather exaggerated. Did you all have as much difficulty as he did in reading that sentence of mine? On January 26 2012 12:48 Bromancipate wrote:You said, "I do not agree with pressuring lurking/inactive players with the thread of a first-day lynch." Note that he even typed it out (presumably, as he mis-spelled "threat"), and omitted typing out the key word "not". This allowed him to make three long indignant posts towards me, again allowing him to show his face and look participatory. When such activity is founded on something that he can then brush off as a mistake, it makes the rest of his posts ring follow. These are the kinds of posts that distract the town's attention, hindering the development of a good atmosphere. Very odd, don't you think? | ||
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
Spelling error, the third paragraph, third line should read: "it makes the rest of his posts ring hollow." | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
I do agree with MidnightGladius that Bromancipate is a good place to start. | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
should like to see some substantial posts from SacredSystems. He has gotten by with short posts and few real contributions. Everyone needs to be posting more now that we have another piece of solid information instead of a day2 drop off. In regards to the contributions from Bromanicpate, I skimmed over a bunch of their posting in Newbie Mini Mafia II and both similarities and sketchy elements to their play were revealed. In that game jitsu/Probulous were townie and detective respectively.They seem to be significantly more involved, practically spamming short to medium length posts (probulous more than jitsu). But while the sizes and frequency of their posts is different this game (which is partially explained by a pre-game post they made) the style is changing very little from their previous game. Even with the quoting gaff and suspicious absence I still find people like zarepath and CosmosXAM the be equally or more suspicious. My point being that while Bromancipate has put himself under suspicion, don't get completely sidetracked and forget earlier analysis. Here are their filters from the previous game in case you want to read up on them yourself. jitsu: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955&user=187886 Probulous: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955&user=156748 | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
Zelblade has a very similar Day 1 arc, wherein he spends all of its beginning defending himself, apologizing, and lashing out, and then he goes almost entirely inactive at the end. I want to hear from both these players as to why they went inactive at the end of the day, withholding their arguments at the day's key point. The third person I really want to hear from right now is Adam. I think it's unlikely that he inherited a Mafia spot... but that's pure speculation, and we need to hear something. I'm curious what your analysis is of the first day, and who you find most suspicious. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
The night is 2/3rds over but only 4 people have posted. This will not do. I propose we take a serious look at zelblade. He is the one I feel strongest about being mafia. Here is his filter I think DoYouHas nailed it. And I'll talk about his response to this post. On January 26 2012 08:01 DoYouHas wrote: I believe zelblade is our best lynch option. Just look at what he did when thrust into the spotlight. He has been apologizing and clarifying posts (which were already pretty clear) ever since spl0osh criticized his second post. Instead of using the spotlight to voice his own suspicions or convince us of his innocence, he has tried to move out of the spotlight as quickly and quietly as possible, while avoiding offending anyone. While his initial posts weren't particularly scummy, his responses have been nothing but suspicious. ## Vote: zelblade His response to this post? More apologizing The reason why I have been so apologetic is simply because it is my 1st game of mafia. I am not really sure how to approach this game, and am quite unsure of myself - that I may be making nooby mistakes. Apparently being overly apologetic is a nooby mistake, and i will try to correct that. Also @ fakepromise i am not really sure what you mean by this part.... I really dont understand the bolded part, what did u mean by that? He certainly isnt accusing you because you happened to be reading after i posted.... as that doesnt make sense. He paints himself as a newbie player and He emphasizes his confusion. Simberto does a good job explaining why town does not do this. On January 26 2012 23:35 Simberto wrote: Zelblade looks absurdly scummy at this point, really even so much that i might even favor him over lynching a lurker. He posted a lot in the beginning, his posts made him look scummy, and now he does nothing but post apologetic things and attacks onto the easy target FakePromise. Take a look at this gem: He apologizes for being apologetic. Really? AND he paints himself as a noob. Why should a towny do that? As town, i want people to trust me, and carefully consider what i say, not take me for a noob who has nothing important to say. However, "being a noob" is a wonderful excuse for inconsistencies that might result from mafia trying to act as town. The rest of his only post today was used to specifically attack FakePromise, who is already in pretty deep problems anyways. His final post? He doesn't try apologizing, nor explaining himself anymore. He ignores Simberto's post. On January 27 2012 00:19 zelblade wrote: Since I have to go to sleep soon (in about half and hour) and fakepromise still hasnt posted any sort of defence yet, I will be voting for him for now. Will wake up to check the thread in probably about 7-8 hours or so when i wake up, though i probably can only skim through the thread as i have to rush to school than, but definately can change my vote if need be. ##vote FakePromise Do not let him get away with this lurking. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
How about this. Answer these two questions - Name one person who you think is town and why. - Name one person who you think is mafia and why. Bromancipate, SacredSystem, Chocolate, balt11t, CosmosXAM, Adam4167 and zelblade - answer the question. All the rest of us have been pretty active and so instead of answering this ourselves we should pressure the lurkers. By withholding our own answers, we can put these guys in the spotlight. There are 7 hours left in the night. Post or warrant more suspicion on yourselves. Town have nothing to fear, and much to gain by posting. List of haven't posted yet: Bromancipate, SacredSystem, Chocolate, balt11t, CosmosXAM, Adam4167 and zelblade. | ||
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Burns
United States2300 Posts
Are the mafia told who the other mafia members are at the start of the first day, or only at night? | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
That leaves at best 3 town/blue in that group. Staying quiet does not make you less of a target to mafia. If anything it draws attention as the only reason non mafia would lay low is if you are blue. Blues : Your powers are not the only contribution you can make. Please post. There is no reason to stay quiet. I want to re-iterate: Town has much to gain by posting. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Mafia know each other as soon as they received their pm. Sacred, what are your responses to my two questions? | ||
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CosmosXAM
United States121 Posts
but to answer your question I would have to say that you appear to be town because all you seem to do is forward the conversation and constantly try to keep everyone on track. and for who is mafia I would have to go with zarepath like I said in earlier posts, I dont feel that fakepromise going town redeems zarepath of my suspisions. | ||
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