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On January 30 2012 00:20 Zephirdd wrote:@V7 wtf bro http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303792¤tpage=16#314Of course I mention lurkers, what I don't do is to copy-and-paste the thoughts that Lurking is REALLY scummy this game, because it was said two or three times already. @redFF What the fuck? õ_o Considering Greymist is a host, I'd assume it's a role in the terms of "I can only investigate someone who voted me" from Steamship Liquida, did I hit it spot on? :D
VOTECOUNT Show nested quote +Cwave(2): redFF, bumatlarge
bumatlarge(2): Lanaia, Navillus
GGQ(1): vaderseven
redFF(1): Refallen
Refallen(1): Jackal58
Bah sorry I was reading too fast then last night.
My vote and points and still valid.
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Well this is just awesome, I wake up to a smattering of votes. While four of you have it right, I'm now suspicious of vaderseven, Refallen, and Jackal58. Don't pretend that the Radfield debacle isn't important or a good source of information.
Refallen may get a reprieve here depending on what happens with redFF, but I personally don't get what he's doing at all. If he has some kind of power that activates when people vote him, then why doesn't he ask for everyone to vote him? The rules don't actually say anything about when the lynch ends, I think it's just at the end of the day. I don't think there's any kind of majority hammer.
Also this seriously caught my eye.
On January 29 2012 13:38 Navillus wrote:
1. While I would love a CWave lynch and think the Wiggles shot also points to him being scum, I also think the Wiggles shot was probably them fishing for blues.
How exactly do you figure this?
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alright awesome thanks refallen
On January 29 2012 19:45 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 16:01 redFF wrote:
SOMEONE VOTE ME PLEASE
I just need one person to, but it is vital. Found 2 scum
found 1 dumbass
you can move your vote now refallen.
anyways ##Vote Bum hopefully cwave will be modkilled
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On January 28 2012 08:34 Jackal58 wrote:
Was the scum team allowed to send out their first messages with the first day post?
Why'd you ask this question?
Jackal is probably scum btdubz
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Radfield(6): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave, Jackal58, Bumatlarge, Mr. Wiggles, Blazinghand
Navillus (1): RedFF
Bumatlarge (5): Radfield, Lanaia, Navillus, GGQ, Hesmyrr
Lanaia (2): Zephridd, Vaderseven
Today, we are going to sheep confirmed town radfield and lynch bum.
The radfield wagon was so scummy and terrible, I have no idea wtf wiggles was doing.
Cwave and Blazinghand, while both on the radfield wagon, are new and terrible. Them being on that wagon is null at the moment and we can look at other stuff once we kill the good players on the shitty wagon.
MZ, Jackal, and Bum are all experienced players.
Bum has the most games played on tl mafia, he's too good to vote rad as town and must die.
MZ is weird because he replaced out and I'm giving scamp the benefit of the doubt for now.
Jackal is obvscum and we will lynch him tomorrow.
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On January 30 2012 03:50 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 08:34 Jackal58 wrote:
Was the scum team allowed to send out their first messages with the first day post? Why'd you ask this question? Jackal is probably scum btdubz
Because that changes whether or not they have as yet been able to identify each other. In the first Sleeper cell it required a minimum of 3 days for scum to know who each other were. This set up is much different.
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I'll have to agree with redFF here. bumatlarge is probably the one player that shouldn't have voted Radfield no matter what. There is also the first-post-breadcrumb(mafia # speculation). Voting him.
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On January 30 2012 03:58 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 03:50 redFF wrote:On January 28 2012 08:34 Jackal58 wrote:
Was the scum team allowed to send out their first messages with the first day post? Why'd you ask this question? Jackal is probably scum btdubz For dat ez towncred.
FTFY
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On January 30 2012 04:20 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 03:58 Jackal58 wrote:On January 30 2012 03:50 redFF wrote:On January 28 2012 08:34 Jackal58 wrote:
Was the scum team allowed to send out their first messages with the first day post? Why'd you ask this question? Jackal is probably scum btdubz I'm a dumbass
FTFY
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On January 30 2012 02:18 Scamp wrote:Well this is just awesome, I wake up to a smattering of votes. While four of you have it right, I'm now suspicious of vaderseven, Refallen, and Jackal58. Don't pretend that the Radfield debacle isn't important or a good source of information. Refallen may get a reprieve here depending on what happens with redFF, but I personally don't get what he's doing at all. If he has some kind of power that activates when people vote him, then why doesn't he ask for everyone to vote him? The rules don't actually say anything about when the lynch ends, I think it's just at the end of the day. I don't think there's any kind of majority hammer. Also this seriously caught my eye. Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 13:38 Navillus wrote:
1. While I would love a CWave lynch and think the Wiggles shot also points to him being scum, I also think the Wiggles shot was probably them fishing for blues. How exactly do you figure this?
??
Whats your suspicion of me based on? I dont like random FOS at people, give reasons!
I think that the radfield lycnh is ofc a valid source of info but I think GGQ is getting away with some seriously scummy shit here. I would be doing such a huge disservice to notice that shit and not comment on it.
GGQ says that lurkers arent scummy and that scum will post enough to not be called lurkers. With the setup in mind, lurking is so pro scum that I dont even know how he felt able to say that except in order to cover for the scummy move of lurking... which he is doing.
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stfu about ggq nobody cares
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Voting for town =/= mafia. I recall you posting you were going to ISO players who voted for Radfield, RedFF. (#) Pretty funny your accusation against Jackal58 and bumatlarge only consist of argument "they are experienced and they killed Rad, die!!!!!", yeah? (#)
However I'm almost sure bumatlarge is scum now, after finding this gem while looking over his post.
On January 29 2012 10:12 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 10:00 Lanaia wrote:
You said it was radfield's fault he got lynched, did you not?
That part rubbed me the wrong way.
bum, who do YOU want to lynch most today?
Oh, I forgot about CWave. Could do for lynching him as well. It was, he fucking hinted at inception agent but it went so far against the gist of what he was hiding it in, it seemed like he threw trash together to make a good post. Look at meapak's first post. Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 16:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Lol wow radfield, I’m actually shocked you slipped so bad in your first post. Your massive post was a massive warning to mafia and so hypocritical and here’s why. On January 26 2012 12:22 Radfield wrote:/confirm On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues. First things first, please do not do this. Consider: Mafia do not know who their partners are. Therefore, high up on the priority list of the mafia is figuring out who the other members are. We need to not let this happen easily. The mafia have access to several pieces of information we do not, most specifically the number of mafia in the game. Players popping out and saying they think there are X amount of mafia are immediately getting a note in my scum book. Why? It's one way for a mafia player to indicate he is mafia to the rest of the crew, without raising suspicion. Makes sense? So no speculation on mafia numbers please, at least not right now. Second, mafia have very limited forms of communication this game, and from the looks of the Inception agent role, we can assume that town has some way to view their messages. This means mafia have to be extremely careful with what they write, so blatant things like lets kill X tomorrow are probably out. So mafia need a means to try to indicate to their brethren who should be getting hit. Imagine I am scum, I want to make sure that my buddies don't accidently send in hits on players I think are scummy, I want them to send in the hits on people I think seem like sure town. So what am I going to do? I'm going to repeatedly hammer it home in thread that I think Player Z is sure town. If there is general consensus among the group that player Z is town, he is a great target for mafia to lump in on. We need to ensure this does not happen. Therefore I propose that NO ONE call anyone else town. Players are either scummy, very scummy, definitely scum, OR not scum. That is all. If you think someone is almost for sure town, you still just have to call them 'not scum'. Benefits: Stops mafia from finding clear night-kill targets, and increases the chance of them shooting themselves. Cons: Possibly leaves us low on town leaders. Certain players may spend too much time going after obvious townies. Likewise, we should not be making medic lists. If you think a particular player should receive protection, that's probably cool, but no listing 3 or 4 people. In this game, that's just giving mafia a clear list of targets to shoot at, which is exactly what they need(a list). Medics in this scenario should be protecting whomever is most likely to die anyways, as there is no WIFOMing your medic protect around. Third, and this is straight out of resistance mafia, no talking about mafia strats. We simply do not talk about optimal mafia moves, or likely moves, as that is simply a way for mafia to galvanize their actions together. In a game with minimal mafia interaction, we need to ensure that they cannot use the thread to disseminate informationSo this game we talk about townie strats and townie moves, not mafia ones. On the flip side we do not call people likely town or town, we call them not scum or varying degrees of scum. Thoughts? Agreement or Disagreement? LOLOL couldn’t you have hidden it better? For those who don’t see it, paragraph in red is basically a massive warning to fellow scum. Of course a scum post wouldn’t be complete without an obvious contradiction and rad doesn’t disappoint with his little ending bit about not giving advice to mafia. Let’s start the day off right ##Vote: Radfield I think the section we both saw as scummy, was the section radfield put the most effort into making. Therefore he may not have noticed how bad it looked when he said the second red paragraph. Also hence why I was sure radfield was scum when he basically called MZ town after posting that. It's nice to see you being aggressive lanaia. I want to lynch cwave.
If you don't know, this is the post Lanaia apparently had bad vibe about:
On January 28 2012 15:41 bumatlarge wrote:Meh it's radfield's fault  Didn't realize how close I came to actually getting lynched.
Okay, when you hunt scum the basic is trying to find a post that town would never make but scum would. And this, ladies and gentleman, is one. What Lanaia brought up honestly did not mean anything; literally anyone who thought Radfield defended himself poorly could have wrote that post without thinking. Bumatlarge could have simply said "well, that's what I really think. If Radfield played better his lynch could definitely have been averted" and that would have been the end.
Instead, bumatlarge refers back to the first post Radfield had made and tries to give really unconvincing explanation about how Radfield - because he was blue - deliberately wrote the red part and managed to screw himself. What? Did anyone understood what he meant to say? It feels to me that bum was really reaching for the explanation that sounds good and logical unnecessarily, and I can see only one reason why he would do that: I think bumatlarge panicked when Lanaia made that irrelevant attack and over-reacted. And only people who have something to hide would behave like that, namely scum.
##Vote bumatlarge
Also I still think CWave is VI.
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On January 30 2012 03:56 redFF wrote:
Radfield(6): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave, Jackal58, Bumatlarge, Mr. Wiggles, Blazinghand
Navillus (1): RedFF
Bumatlarge (5): Radfield, Lanaia, Navillus, GGQ, Hesmyrr
Lanaia (2): Zephridd, Vaderseven
Today, we are going to sheep confirmed town radfield and lynch bum.
The radfield wagon was so scummy and terrible, I have no idea wtf wiggles was doing.
Cwave and Blazinghand, while both on the radfield wagon, are new and terrible. Them being on that wagon is null at the moment and we can look at other stuff once we kill the good players on the shitty wagon.
Is redFF always this level of angry?
I started the bloody wagon cause i thought the list Radfield provided was a scum move. So don't state that i joined in on it if you want to make an argument.
Now you want to kill(not lynch) the entire voting list of Radfield starting with the veteran players?
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Blazinghand
United States25555 Posts
Well, given the previous debacle, his inability to be legitimately helpful, and his slippery scum communication with redFF, I see no reason not to ##Vote: Refallen.
He looks like scum to me.
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Also I still think CWave is VI. Yes he is a VI, what does this have to do with anything?
On January 30 2012 06:24 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 03:56 redFF wrote:
Radfield(6): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave, Jackal58, Bumatlarge, Mr. Wiggles, Blazinghand
Navillus (1): RedFF
Bumatlarge (5): Radfield, Lanaia, Navillus, GGQ, Hesmyrr
Lanaia (2): Zephridd, Vaderseven
Today, we are going to sheep confirmed town radfield and lynch bum.
The radfield wagon was so scummy and terrible, I have no idea wtf wiggles was doing.
Cwave and Blazinghand, while both on the radfield wagon, are new and terrible. Them being on that wagon is null at the moment and we can look at other stuff once we kill the good players on the shitty wagon.
Is redFF always this level of angry? I started the bloody wagon cause i thought the list Radfield provided was a scum move. So don't state that i joined in on it if you want to make an argument. Now you want to kill(not lynch) the entire voting list of Radfield starting with the veteran players? lolOn January 30 2012 06:51 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, given the previous debacle, his inability to be legitimately helpful, and his slippery scum communication with redFF, I see no reason not to ##Vote: Refallen.
He looks like scum to me.
lol
I recall you posting you were going to ISO players who voted for Radfield, RedFF. Who say's i didn't ISO them?
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Redff, what do you think of blazinghand?
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On January 30 2012 07:59 Lanaia wrote:
Redff, what do you think of blazinghand?
Probably scum.
I think being on the rad lynch while simultaneously calling it bad and calling for a MZ lynch was scummy.
I think avoiding and barely saying anything about Bum is scummy.
I think voting Refallen is scummy.
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Blazinghand
United States25555 Posts
Ah yes you're right I definitely voted Rad without explanation and called for an MZ lynch all day 1. That is an accurate characterization of my actions. A real town player would have left his vote on MZ all the way until the very end, then moved his vote to break the tie in the way he thought was useful, but I clearly did not do that.
I definitely have never said anything about Bum, nor posted a case that he was town, justifying my Rad lynch.
Lastly, Refallen is a paragon of town play and voting him is clearly a scum move.
Nothing you just said was deceptive in any way.
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Blazinghand
United States25555 Posts
Oh no wait hold on scratch that redFF is scum making stuff up to save his scumbuddy refallen since I caught them communicating in thread, and everything he said *IS* deceptive and does not accurately characterize my actions this game. How about that
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No time to chat, Cwave is scum, see you all tomorrow.
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