EPTSecound game as well. I got a 100% win rate, and I will win this one as well, EZPZ!
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Secound game as well. I got a 100% win rate, and I will win this one as well, EZPZ! | ||
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Paparazzi: "I’m your biggest fan I’ll follow you until you love me Papa- Paparazzi" You are a paparazzi. During night time you can either: A) Follow a chosen celebrity around and snapping pictures. Your pictures will reveal any actions your celebrity have done during the night, or any actions done to your celebrities. B) Distract a celebrity, causing the celebrity to miss out on it's nightaction. You are scum, but scum want nothing to do with you. You win by..., well you don't win you are a paparazzi you loser! Fan: "I would fight for you I’d lie for you Walk the wire for you Yeah I’d die for you" You are a fan of (celebrity). You love (celebrity) and would do anything for him/her. Anytime during the day you can order a hit on someone who have trashtalked your celebrity. Your hit will fail (cause you are a weakass fanboy/girl) except if you hit the paparazzi (because even a weakass fanboy/girl can easily take out a paparazzi). If you order a hit on the stalker you will fail, but the stalker will lose his ability to stalk. You can order two hits. If your celebrity die you are only allowed to post emo sob stories for the rest of the game. You win together with (celebrity), meaning if he/she is town you win with town, and if he/she is scum you win with scum. If your celebrity is dead or paparazzi you lose! Stalker "Every breath you take Every move you make Every bond you break Every step you take I’ll be watching you!!!" You chose a celebrity to stalk. Night three you can shot the celebrity you have chosen, if you have qualified for it by: Day 1: Getting the celebrity to answer you in the thread. Night 1: Sending the celebrity a fan-PM by a smurf account. Day 2: Writing at least 3 positive posts about your celebrity. Night 2: Sending the celebrity a hate-PM by a smurf account. Day 3: Writing at least 5 negative posts about your celebrity. You win with the scum, but only if the celebrity you chose to stalk is dead or have agreed to marry you. | ||
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On January 04 2012 07:19 Blazinghand wrote: Dude Tunkeg that's a totally normal mistake that anyone could make in a Student Mafia game.  good warning thoughHehe | ||
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Hopefully town will start discussing someting else then set up, and probabilities for different set ups, now that Sheth have started leaning on CatsnHats. For the no-lynch discussion I would say there shouldn't be a discussion. Ofcourse we have to lynch day one. If not there will be no pressure, and no reason for scum to slip. | ||
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You pressured Cats into taking a stance, and you pressured him into taking a stance opposite of what he said in his first post. On January 04 2012 11:52 CatsnHats wrote: Yeah I'm around. Just reading the thread and getting a sense of the situation since I've never played before. It would seem that not lynching unless reasonably certain would be the way to go. Although I'm not sure how we could be certain of anything on D1. On January 04 2012 14:06 CatsnHats wrote: But it's so hard to counteraggressive to the nicest guy in esports! Haha thanks for the advice. Lynching someone is definitely the way to go. Any information gleaned, even at the cost of a townkill, is better than no info at all. I don't have a lot new to add that hasn't been said already, but that's my stance. As for picking who to lynch, I going to reserve judgement until the last few people have started posting. Now how will you procede. Wil you pounce on him for contradicting himself or do you see this as a newbie thing? Any reflections on wheather heavy pressure on someone completely new may be counterproductive? For Cats: You need to make arguements for your actions and your views in this game. And if you change your mind you have to make a good arguement for that as well. Because we want to hold you accountable for your actions. So please start doing so, and don't just parrot others. | ||
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You have sworn by Odin. Well I suspect you are Loke to my Thor. You have pushed for the no-lynch day 1: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2012 11:33 CookieMaker wrote: DAY 1: Right now from my perspective we have the following lynching objectives as town: 1. Not Lynch Innocents -The only way we can be absolutely certain of this to happen is with a no-lynch (tied vote). -This benefits us strongly if there is a DT in the game. It is understandable that the DT won't reveal because of the threat of being killed. 2. Lynch mafia -Currently hopeful at best. Statistically extremely low chance of getting this right, especially with mafia votes. Right now I'm in favor of a no-lynch until more pressure is applied and reads can be made. You want a no-lynch day one, which IMO is only beneficial to scum. As there really aren't no pressure applied. The only reason I will go for a no-lynch is if I have strong town reads on the only candidates for lynch. Otherwise I will go for a lynch. I think we should lynch the one who is most scummy each day. You proceed to defend this by saying we will have more information with a no-lynch: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2012 12:13 CookieMaker wrote: Incorrect: We get more information, especially if we can get the participation level up a little bit. There's also going to be more posts from all players(god hopefully) before the day is through. Clearly the pool of prime lynch candidates is shallow at the moment. I will be voting for the player with the lowest vote total until I see a better option. On January 04 2012 12:23 CookieMaker wrote: We get more information because SOMEONE still gets scum-killed. The hypothetical you in this conversation gets no additional information because they already knew who the town is. @Gonz I am going on the assumption that any inactives will be talking in a hurry before the 24hour mark is up. I'm very interested to see who pipe's up just before the noose gets tied Following your logic here we will have more information at LYLO and shouldn't lynch until then. Yes, we will have limited information on a day 1 lynch, but the information we get from making people vote and argue their votes will be more benificial to town then a no-lynch will have, even if we are so unlucky that we misslynch. The rest of your post I feel is a bit short on content, except for WIFOM'ing and speculations.Therefor: FOS: CookieMaker | ||
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For Gretorp and Xeris please post before I give you both (imaginary) NASaL fractures... I am no lynch all lurkers fAnatic, but for now I will be more then happy voting for anyone of you unless you start contributing. So tag, gretorp you're it: ##Vote Gretorp | ||
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Your two post have been mostly fluff, but since you are a fellow countryman of the greatest sportsman ever (RF ftw!) I'll cut you some slack. Give me your thoughts on the game thus far. Who do you see as most scummy? And who do you see as most townie? | ||
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On January 05 2012 00:16 Cephiro wrote: Time for a D1 analysis! Obviously I'll leave myself out, but if someone wants to know more about my opinions / ask why I'm in favor of something, please go ahead, discussion is what we need at the moment. Also, my apologies if I'm wrong with someone's gender, I'll make a mean generalization and expect everyone to be a male until noted otherwise. Player List: 1.CookieMaker [b]For now I'm leaning slightly towards town on him, even though he is quite in-favour of the no-lynch possibility. But I think that may be due to the fact that it's his first game, and he may not have read through/followed many mafia games before. So I'm thinking he's rather be safe than sorry, but hopefully he'll realize the amount of information even a possible mislynch will give us, not even mentioning the huge lead we can get if we nail a mafia on D1. His posts could have slightly more actual content, but he's trying so for now he's okay to me. 2.Liquid`Sheth Hasn't posted anything useful aside from welcoming people and pressuring CatsnHats. Sure, pressuring at this point has to be done, but deciding to pick on one person for no real reason at this point and providing no other content? Hopefully he means well and just tries to make sure CatsnHats plays pro-town regardless of being new, I mean, Sheth does have 2 previous games of TL mafia as a base of experience. But for now, I am reading something between neutral or slightly scum. I dare you to prove me your innocence, so I'll be waiting for your morning post. 3.AnxiousHippo Doesn't seem to have any idea of what he should be doing, but I guess it's understandable since it's only his second game. I am hoping to hear more from you, since you haven't posted enough content to make any kind of read on you. Neutral. 5.Tunkeg Good forewarn on not being able to answer at the start of the game. Appareantly was on the winning side in his first game. He seems like an aggressive type of person, wanting to start the accusations and pressure to get some discussion going on. Thinks that D1 lynch is a must, but backs it up with some very good points. Took the first vote playing it relatively safely, voting for a lurker who hasn't posted yet. Clearly wants something to happen, but I am for now unsure if his method will be very successful. Neutral for now, but if you keep the activity up I should be able to get either a slight-town or slight-scum read on you soon. 6.Jitsu Seems to want to actively participate, and most of his posts so far are convincing people to lynch on D1. Hasn't posted any actual content other than that though, so I will still stand on a neutral read. I am hoping to hear more content from you soon, I need to get more reads. 7.Xeris All I can say is, no content, not a good sign. Neutral. 8.Gretorp Same as above, neutral. 9.Gonzaw Answering people's questions, trying to explain some of the basic stuff that should be understood, looks good to me. I like the way he pushed to know more about how I seem to know about the game, so he seems like he isn't taking anything for granted. Also suggesting pressure voting to get things going. I have a slight town-read here. 10.Blurry Seems to be in favour of no-lynching, wanting to stay on the safe side. Hasn't talked about anything but different possibilities if a mafia roleblocker exists. Not useful. (Okay, I'll have to admit that my statistics post at start wasn't necessarily very useful either, but I've been at least trying to post other content as well.) Neutral for now, but if you won't be posting more, I would lean on slightly scum. 11.Probulous Being very active at the start, and the play seems really town-favouring. Constantly asking for opinions and explaining his reasoning. I like his opinion on lynching, definitely wanting to lynch mafia but still keeping in mind the possibility of being careful incase we don't get any reads on D1. Hopefully we will have some scum reads that we can go for so no-lynch won't be necessary. Pressuring the people that should be on according to timezone but haven't posted. I would have to say you are my strongest town-read so far, I want to hear more of your opinions when you're back. 12.CatsnHats Being a new player, it's understandable that he's a bit confused, but you really need to learn that you CAN'T TRUST anyone but yourself. Whatever you think about the situation or someone's reads, say it, don't just agree or disagree randomly. I'm kind of worried of the chance that you are a townie whom the mafia would be able to talk around easily, but I hope you'll prove me wrong. (about the convincing part.) Or you could be mafia that is pretending to be a super-newbie town on his first game... who knows. But you're neutral so far. Start posting your opinions! I'm not going to vote yet myself, but I will join the pressure voting in a few hours if Xeris and Gretorp aren't going to turn up. What is it that makes you think CookieMaker is slightly town? You have listed alot of anti-town things about him but not one pro-town thing. | ||
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On January 05 2012 01:13 Gretorp wrote: Tuneg, It doesnt make sense to vote me. If you have watched any NASL or seen me play mafia, you know i'm genius level but inexperienced with mafia. ALL times i've been in tl mafia, i've been a townie so my ability play townie is better than mafia. If you take my genius brain and then apply the situations, the EV for me in general is positive to the point where you dont want to vote me. But you probably know this, hence you want to kick me off because youre a mafia. SO I VOTE YOU, AND YOUR COUNTRY. #VOTE TUNEG I don't know cause I am no genious, sir! But please mr. genious, if you could be so kind, help a simple mind out by posting some analyzes. Then maybe I could change my mind... | ||
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You guys say I have been suspicious to many players allready. Well, then you missread me, I am only suspicious to CM atm. xeris and Gretorp I am not suspicious of as of yet, just saying I will vote for them if they don't step up. In my post to Blurry I didn't say I think he is suspicious, only that he haven't contributed greatly yet. Ceph you said you think I have made to many questions posts and to little content posts. Well, to me content is opinions and analyzis of others play, and in my opinion I have allready made more content than you, including your day one analyzis post. I will give you credit for putting it out there, and it might lead to some discussion, but I think your reads are to vague and therefor the value of it isn't the greatest. In closing I will say that I am not suspicious of you two as of yet, so there will be no missunderstanding. | ||
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On January 05 2012 01:01 Jitsu wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2012 18:07 CookieMaker wrote: Jab and dodge eh? I like your style. I'd actually also like his opinion. At the moment I am very content with the way the town is developing. There is clearly a trust developing among several players who employ similar town-favored tactics. Also, I enjoy watching Sheth stir the pot, but he's kinda leaving the lid off without giving it a chance to boil. I'm interested to see what our current inactives have to say; I think even the majority of the Nords have already piped up. And now I sleep in the hopes that during the night little elves will come and whisper in the ears of our inactives, and whence they rise an impulse stronger than coffee shall empower their mouse cursors to look at their TeamLiquid PM's and realize that they should be posting in this thread about their regret at not having posted sooner. Tunkeg I'm giving you some leeway because of the timezone comment but I swear to Odin.... Thought of some cute food for thought: Surely rotten eggs will indeed be the those whom first crack in the steamer RE: CookieMaker You never responded to me about the no-lynch/miss-lynch after I posted in return. Don't you think it's somewhat beneficial for town to get it out of the way before the situation occurs, so that we are more prepared when it happens? Or do you not care about the town thought process? I just read through you're filter, Cookie. I noticed two things: 1. The majority of you're post is crap filler. It's posts of fluff that can be found in either the Original Post or a mafia wiki. 2. When you do post something of substance, it doesn't assist us. You're above post looks good, right? And you talk about how you like the "Jab and Dodge" style. But it seems you are doing a whole lot of dodging, and not a lot of jabbing. Than you talk about elves coming into the game, and than a haiku. Stop feigning activity. RE: AnxiousHippo + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2012 10:45 AnxiousHippo wrote: Haha, hey. I don't really know what to do early on. Last game (the only other I've played) I think someone got lynched for something really stupid like asking for help. Scum is often afraid to make accusations and contradict themselves. They may say one thing today and the opposite tomorrow. In bigger games they might just lurk and post very occasionally to avoid attention but I don't think we'll have to worry about that so much this game since there's only 12 people. I don't have the slightest idea as to how to make a plan though. Like you're doing now? You came in with a piece of good advice (which, admittedly, could have built on, but was ok none-the-less) and say how mafia *might just lurk and post very occasionally,* so than you post very occasionally. I am going to say the same thing to you as I said to Cookie. You are posting to pretend to be active. Post to be active. | ||
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On January 05 2012 04:42 Xeris wrote: I don't favor randomly lynching people in the first night -- unless there is some actual suspicion. Statistically, maybe it's better to random lynch, but I feel like the chances you might randomly kill a cop // medic make it not worth it. I prefer using the first day to try to get reads on people, then wait until Day 2 to use the information gained in Day 1, based on who ends up dying / etc to make a more reasoned/educated prediction about who might be mafia. Randomly lynching is a really stupid idea. I agree on random lynching is bad, and I won't participate in a random lynch. But a lynch on the most suspicious player on day one I am all for. So please clearify for me, would you prefer a no-lynch day 1 over a lynch on someone who is slightly scummy? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 03:58 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Ahhh yea. Gretorp getting busy. I like it. Were going to get some scum. Ok, well, I'm going to analyse some games for a bit, as I have to work. However before I go, I geuss I'll point out one thing. Everyone seems to be accusing everyone. It doesn't help, because we know its just one persons pressure and honestly we assume its fake pressure, because after all its day1 and we don't have any great reads. So, instead of this I recomend we get behind one person and see if they can tell us why they ARE NOT mafia. I was planning on leaning on Cephiro, for his post here : It comes down to a wall of text that tell us nothing. It just makes it look like hes contributing a lot when in fact he hasn't come up with a new opinion and his others posts are very non-committal. Just like wishy washy, things, and I thought it was just weird. However this morning you posted Which has some negatives and actually contribues some, so I'll back off for now. Kinda ironic that you wanted me to post my read today and my read was on you. @Tunkeg we shall see. CatsnHats what do you think about this Gretorp guys first too posts. Good / bad / scummy?!? So who is this one target you have in mind? And why is it better for everyone to pile onto a single player (who might crack and give off strong scumreads, while just beeing a newbie, causing us to do a misslynch, which in this case wouldn't provide any information because everyone had the same reads) than it is to prod around and get players reactions. If people just ignore pressure and questions, just because the pressure is light I'll put that as a scumpoint. Every townie should try to be as open and informative as possible. | ||
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On January 05 2012 05:34 Xeris wrote: If there are legitimate concerns about someone on the first day, sure, I'd probably participate in a lynch. But I don't really see how you can determine that on the first day when you have basically NO information to go off. Further, because this is online mafia, you can't even read people the same way... I don't see how you can possibly get a good enough ready on someone in the first day, before any action has happened, enough to confidently lynch someone. Well, you don't really have that much more information going into day 2. If you want to base your lynches off who was killed by scum night one you are entering deep into WIFOM country, and all sorts of wierd speculations to why scum killed the one they did. This sort of analysis is worthless IMO, as no one know why scum did as they did (except themselves). Did they try to throw us of with the kill, did they kill someone who was onto them, did they chose a target that that they were sure wouldn't get a protected (if there is a doc in this set up) etc etc. The reason why we need to lynch day one is so that everyone have to justify their votes. If they use bad logic or just are following someone else they will be put under heavy scrutiny on day 2. If someone choses to vote for someone to have a no-lynch they will have to have a damn good reason why not to vote for someone who where up for the lynch (these good reasons beeing they had town read on them, and reasoning behind that townread). | ||
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I belive Blurry is on CET time just as I am, which no is 21:52. So thats KST -8 (KST is displayed up in your right corner)- | ||
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I remain suspicious of CM, he haven't posted anything during my time in the thread. Hopefully he will make some more post by the time I return. My vote will stay on Gretorp for now. Hopefully he will make some good posts tonight. Because there are other players who need some pressure now as well, mainly Blurry and AH who haven't contributed anything yet. Cephiro I feel you have been flip floping abit today, and haven't taken any strong positions against anyone. I am not sure I like your switch on CM from leaning town to suspicious all that much, him not having made a post in the meantime. You remain active though, which I think is a good thing. On that note I am going to bed, unless anyone want to prod me about anything that is fairly quick to answer. I will be away for 16 hours from now, sleep+work. | ||
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Me and you not having the same opinion of Ceph is ok, cause I don't have him as anything but neutral at this point. You making the post on him and coming to the conclusion that he is very pro town I find very suspicious though. I can't say that anyone thus far is very pro-town, and for you to say it make me think you are scum who know he is town and want to befriend him (seeing that he have been leaning town on you previously). On January 05 2012 08:08 CookieMaker wrote: EBWOP: To set the record straight on the whole no-lynch business, I am very much against a no-lynch at this point. This is the original quote that I made, before I knew what kind of activity levels we would see and thus, whether we would have enough reads. + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2012 11:33 CookieMaker wrote: DAY 1: Right now from my perspective we have the following lynching objectives as town: 1. Not Lynch Innocents -The only way we can be absolutely certain of this to happen is with a no-lynch (tied vote). -This benefits us strongly if there is a DT in the game. It is understandable that the DT won't reveal because of the threat of being killed. 2. Lynch mafia -Currently hopeful at best. Statistically extremely low chance of getting this right, especially with mafia votes. Right now I'm in favor of a no-lynch until more pressure is applied and reads can be made. This post is also something I find suspicious. I do not like inconsistency. And I think one of the best way to catch scum is to find inconsistancy. | ||
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I would check out Ceph. Many have scumreads on him, but I am not sold on that. I think that some of the points made in the analysis on him are good though, so, yeah, I'd check him. Or perhaps Sheth, he is also pretty much a null read for me. 2) If you were a Doc (could save someone from a nightkill), who would you save and why? Probulous or Jitsu, as those are my main town reads atm. 3) If you were a Vigilante (town-aligned nightkill) who would you kill and why? I wouldn't kill anyone on night one. But if forced I would kill you. Reason beeing that I found CM most suspicious before he left. 4) If you were a Town-Aligned Roleblocker (could prevent someone from using their night action for a night) who would you block, and why? (Also, remember, an RB can act as a soft-cop. If you block someone and there's no nightkill, you may have blocked the mafia's kill! (Yes i know there's no Vig or RB in this setup.)) Also you 5) If you have a vote on someone currently, please explain your vote. My vote is on Gretorp for pressure. I won't vote him today even though he haven't contributed at all yet. I will however vote you. You will find the reasons in my filter. Post your reads and be active and I might change my mind. 6) If you don't have a vote on somebody, please park your vote on someone. Have an opinion. It doesn't matter if you're wrong. Abstainance lets scum hide amongst you! See 5. ##Unvote ##Vote: A Killer Cuppa Tea | ||
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On January 06 2012 05:37 Liquid`Sheth wrote: So we've really gotten off topic here. We need 7 votes to get a lynch. We've all agreed we need a lynch today. As far as I can tell (People format your votes like ##Vote: please ) Tunkeg - Gretorp --> A K C T CatsnHats - Gretorp --> Cephiro CookieMaker (A K C T) --> CatsnHats Blurry ---> A K C T Jitsu --> A K C T Liquid`Sheth --> Cephiro Probulous --> Cephiro Gonzaw --> Xeris So, as of now thats 8 votes out of 12. We need a majority of 7 to lynch. Xeris, Gretorp, AnxiousHippo,Cephiro we NEED your vote! Those of you who have your vote on A K C T are you willing to switch over to Cephiro if we don't have a lynch by the end of the day to at least get us a lynch? Who will be on for Lynch time? We lynch in exactly 4 Hours 23 Minutes from now. Well my biggest scumread is CM/AKCT. I have Ceph on pretty neutral. So I will stick by my vote. I will go to bed in like 45 minutes, and I really don't want a no-lynch. So please the rest of you who haven't voted, please vote and make your vote count. | ||
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This was your last post: On January 06 2012 01:10 Cephiro wrote: Okay everyone, I am back and catching up on the whole thread, re-reading everything a few times to be sure that I am not missing anything. I will soon be doing two bigger posts: One to respond against any accusations made on me & answering any possible questions, and another to share my analysis on every player (but myself). Please deliver these posts as soon as possible. Stalling now is not a good idea for you... | ||
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I do agree that Ceph have been very non-commital and vague. And yes, he have some fillers, especially in the beginning. But I think that he have tried to make discussion with his posts. I do not like his defense against you though. I'll stick aroun abit longer to see what reads he posts before making my final decision (if it doesn't take to long). | ||
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So my vote stays on CM/AKCT. With that I sign out for the night. | ||
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Now I'll be a little bit pessimistic. Even if we have a great deal of players who is posting alot and contributing wwe have quit a few lurkers. The worst of them beeing Xeris and Gretorp who didn't post once yesterday, and didn't even vote. This is so incredible anti-town that it is starting to annoy me. Blurry have also been somewhat lurky, but hat least he have posted some, so we have something to base our analysis on. Then we have Cats doing the selfvote, this is really sad, and I would usually vote off anyone who do this kind of stunt. But instead I will beg you Cats to unvote yourself, and come back to the game, you have been more active then alot of others and I don't agree that you are terrible at this game. Sure, some of your posts are suspicious and I might end up voting for you on day 2. But I'd rather that you come back and play the game, defend yourself, make cases and help town win this, than OMGUS'ing yourself and leave. The worst thing you can do now as a town is to get yourself voted off on day 2, as we then probably will be down 3 players going into night 2. If we lose this because of you selfvoting and leaving I will surely blame you for the loss and consider your play bad as hell, if we lose after you coming back and at least trying I will not blame you for it (sure I might think you have made some newbie mistakes if you are town, but I won't hold that against you). Now for some WIFOM, hold it against me if you wish. I said yesterday that I would put anyone not voting for someone up for the lynch under heavy scrutiny. Well, 3 players didn't vote at all, one got lynched. For the two others, Xeris and Gretorp, I am truly dissapointed. Do this mean I think they are members of the North American Scum League, no, my WIFOM logic is that scum wouldn't risk not voting and getting modkilled, however these guys might actually be smart enough to realise that they would just get a warning and just meta this (This is why WIFOM is just WIFOM). I think it is likely that they are just bad townies because of this, but I leave a small chance for them to just be very clever scum. | ||
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In closing to my WIFOM over I think there is other players who need to be focused more on on day 2. This beeing said I fear going to the late game with Xeris and Gretorp as no one will have no read on them at all. | ||
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On January 07 2012 05:34 gonzaw wrote: Tunkeg, I expected you to do better than this. This was already said, nothing new. So here you state that some people are lurking, and didn't post nor vote... Do you think we don't know that? Tunkeg, this info here is absolutely useless. You are not saying anything new This was stated by Prob and me too. Again, you are not saying anything new. Yes, this is WIFOM, and very bad at it. Do you know how many games I played where some scum forgot about the game, disappeared and was modkilled? It's not "scum always pay attention to the game". If a certain player is busy, or doesn't care about the game in the first place, he won't care about the game whether he's town or scum. They don't have to be "clever scum" to be inactive. Hell, that's even the opposite of "clever scum", they have all the pressure and eyes on them, they eventually have to get here to not get modkilled and they have A LOT to respond to. They also have a chance of getting DT checked, or even getting policy lynched. This sounds pretty stupid to me if they are scum (and doing it on purpose); so what you said doesn't make any sense. Really Tunkeg, you were giving me a town feel, but this post is a mess and screams fluff and regurgitation everywhere. What the hell? LOL, are you just trying to pick a fight here? I will post whatever I like thank you. Post a real analysis or gtfo, analysing my one post here is just meaningless, it was my post on how I felt the lynch went. But please feel free to post more useless analysis as these, you might just reveal yourself as scum if you do... | ||
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On January 07 2012 05:45 gonzaw wrote: What? I'm pointing out your post is a mess, I want a reason why. You could have just used the lynch to analyse other players, like we are all doing, and is what you should do, instead of posting that meaningless post. Why do you say it's an "useless analysis"? So you are free to post all the fluff and filler you want then? And I am saying that my post is perfectly fine. Just because you guys have said something while I wasn't able to post in the thread doesn't mean I can't post my view of the lynch. And yes, I wanted to encourage Cats to continue, I don't care wheather you or prob did it. And yeah, my WIFOM was WIFOM but I explained why I won't be going after Xeris and Gretorp for not voting. Pleeease feel free to pursuit this, but if you want to make a case on me, go through my filter and dig up some more. Only good thing about your post is that you got my attention, before you have pretty much been floating under the radar for me. | ||
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On January 07 2012 06:12 gonzaw wrote: What? Is this some subtle OMGUS or something? You also said "I beg all of you to analyse this lynch and the reasoning the people had behind their vote. ", and I don't see you doing anything about it. ....what? I've been flying under the radar? Wtf is this? I will pursue this because I find it odd as hell, both your post and your response. I don't have to make a case, why would I do that? I am not FoSing you, I just want answers. No, it is not an OMGUS of you as a whole, it is a OMGUS of that post you made to me though... You have been flying under the radar for ME, I haven't paid much attention to you at all, and kind of had a null read on you. I am not saying you have flown under the radar as a whole, as you have a fair amount of posts. Your post makes me want to go through your filter, which is a good thing. You are free to post however you want, but I don't see you getting much more out of nitpicking on my one post here. I have answered you now to why I posted as I did(which I really don't think should be necessary, as it was my reaction to the lynch). | ||
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On January 07 2012 06:24 gonzaw wrote: It's not my fault you didn't pay attention to me. Of course it's good reading other people's filters and analysing, it's what you are supposed to do. Hmm....fine then. So how about you do that "analysing peoples reasons for their votes"? What do you find? What do you think about Blurry for instance? And about those that bandwagoned to avoid the NL? Where did I ever say it was your fault? I just said you know have caught my attention. Are you trying to missunderstand me on purpose? How about me analysing peoples at my own discretion, this is night, and then we have the entire day 2 to do it, meaning I can do some good analysis (hopefully) instead of rushing into some bad analysis that is useless. I'll answer your last question though: Blurry haven't posted all that many posts, made some one liner analysis on everyone. He was one of the first to vote CM/AKCT (that in itself means nothing), but his reasoning for it was pretty weak. Does this make him more or less scummy then others voting for AKCT? Well, there were players in on the lynch who certantly had much better reasoning behind their votes, but there where also alot of players who had much less reasoning behind it. Those who bandwagoned to avoid NL, well, it all depends on their reasoning behind their votes. Some of those who jumped like Prob had allready a scumread on CM/AKCT and is alot less suspicious then others. | ||
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On January 07 2012 07:47 gonzaw wrote: What? I'm not misunderstanding you. I was implying it's your fault you didn't pay attention to me earlier. You should pay attention to everybody. Why wait? I'd prefer to not waste time and pressure and analyse as soon as possible. It may give us more precious time on Day 2. OK, either my english sucks or your english sucks, or both of our english sucks. Or maybe you are just a nitpicker, who want to bicker about every little detail. Fine, whatever. Ofc it is my "fault" for not paying attention to you, but you were just posting so much uninteresting, but not scummy, stuff that I didn't take interest in you. But when you did your "analysis" of my post you caught my attention. Because anyone wanting to waste peoples time by doing those kind of analysis should be looked into. And looked into you I have. You have alot of these non-interesting and non content posts, but inbetween you have some good posts where you question and pressure people and do reads. I find it ironic that you try to call me out for what you belive is a non-content post when you have so many yourself. I don't care what you prefer. How do you feel about that? | ||
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BTW post you own damn analysis if you feel it is so important to get it done as soon as possible. If that is your stand, do that. And make a good analysis, not just these bad ones, like the one you did for my post. | ||
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On January 07 2012 09:11 gonzaw wrote: I don't get what "you" are bickering about here. You posted that you didn't pay attention to me until now. I posted that I agreed, and you should have in the first place. I don't get what's to "nitpick" here...? Or what this has to do with our English (..es? I don't know the plural)...? Okay, I really want other people to tell me if my "analysis" is "useless". I don't believe it is. I try to pick up inconsistencies and odd behaviour from anyone I can, that's how I catch scum. I picked up yours, and suddenly it's "useless". Really? So my "analysis" is bad just because I did it on you? What? Please, if you find a post from mine similar to yours in terms of fluffiness (or whatever you call it in this forum) be my guest. I try to be blunt and catch scum, not post "updates of what I feel" or whatever you did. Also, as you can see, this conversation is not helping anyone. You are stating things without backing them up (that I have "non-interesting posts" for instance, I don't get what you mean by that). You are also stating blatantly false things (that I "misunderstood you"), and you are being very apathetic and chlidish in a way (you say you will post your analysis whenever you like, and that you post whatever you like, that you don't care what I prefer, etc). This doesn't mean that you are scum, but it means that you are being unnecessary helpless and obtuse. I already posted my analysis, go reread the thread. You want me to link every filler post you have made? Fine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=6#105 - Useless http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=6#116 - Pretty much just jibber jabber http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=7#131 - Filler/useless http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=7#133 - One of many questions http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=10#183 - Nitpicking on about RNG http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=10#188- RNG again... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=13#251 - One of many edits without content http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=13#252 - WTF is the first part here? Going on about formatting? YEAH, GREAT POINT! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=14#261 - Filler/useless http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=14#266 - Filler http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=15#293 - LAst part is filler only. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=15#295 - Filler http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=17#334 - Useless http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=17#336 - Useless, keep talking about immaterial things. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=20#382 - Stating obvious stuff, as you accused me off. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=20#394 - Filler http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=21#406 - Filler Thanks for vasting my time btw. That is one thing you are good at in this game. And for your analysis after the lynch it is just a quick one, with no real content in it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299955¤tpage=21#403 - Written in a very little methodical way and all you end up with is that you want to pressure three guys. WHAT A GREAT ANALYSIS MAN. So now is the time I wil just OMGUS you. I am not saying you are scum, I will just say I think you are bad. And until either you make a real case on me, or I feel the urge to make a case on you I will just ignore you, because you are just one big distraction (well, unless you make more really stupid post involving me that I need to correct). | ||
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On January 07 2012 09:24 Probulous wrote: Guys, please just drop it. We haven't heard anything from Hippo, Blurry, Cats (obviously), Cephiro, Xeris or Gretorp. Where are you guys? Well, I will drop my discussion with gonz because it is pretty damn useless. But before I leave it can you give me your input on the "analyses" he did on my post, and the discussion that followed. | ||
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On January 07 2012 09:54 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Yes OMGUS= Oh my god you suck | ||
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On January 15 2012 10:37 gonzaw wrote: Aw damn, people already thought I was scum on D3 in the Observers QT  Wow, really good prediction  Lucky prediction. As you can see from my post in the obs QT my reads were all over the place, hehe | ||
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Ghosttown I would say one of the biggest reasons the town lost was the amount of lurkers and inactives in the beginning. The scumteam had no problem appearing active, and was never really threathen during day one. These inactives remained hard to read throughout the game because of their "previous owners" lurky ways (one got modkilled, one got townlynched and the last one was comfirmed by prob before prob died). Missreads The town kept missreading players intention. I pushed the CM/AKCT lynch for things I thought was scummy, which instead was more newbie mistakes. Cats were under pressure the entire game, mainly because of a very strange early game, which including him voting himself. Even though his play in the end was quite good, he could never recover from his early mistakes, and the town kept missreading him until the end. The mother of all fuck ups Blurry claimed when he shouldn't and that led to his death and probs death, which instead may have led to a confirmed DT read on Gonz. Great play by scum Maybe THE reason for the town loss was great play by scum. The day one feud between Ceph and Sheth made me, and probably the rest of the town think they were nowhere near affiliated. A great play by prob, the DT check on Sheth, and the lynching of Sheth actually ended up playing into the scumteams favor, as town (led by prob) now dropped their suspicions against Ceph. Now Ceph was confirmed town. Before this Gonz also made a play against me. I still think the analysis he did weren't all that great (and I would probably have tunneled him hard if I had survived the night). He forced me into making a big post about all the filler and useless post I thought he had made. But when scum lynched I thought that no scum would be dumb enough to have someone who is NK'ed putting up their case on them, as town really should read through any posts made by the NK'ed again knowing that he was town. I think also the town applied this WIFOM logic, and thought that Gonz couldn't be town for it (at least at the time). This was a brilliant play by Gonz (even though I think he overdid it later in the game by getting into an arguement with Jitsu right before he died, and prob right before he died, which made Gonz look very cummy towards the end). The scums nightactions were also flawless, they did a brilliant move by holding back the RB early on in the game (which later helped them getting the medic killed), and their killorders were smart. The kill on me night one was good as doc should have me as a third choice at best (Prob and Jitsu being 1 and 2). The kill on Jitsu as they now were more sure that Prob wasn't doc. The third night kill on Prob after medic died. All great moves. What I learned from this? 1. Town needs to be active! 2. Don't be so triggerhappy against players making mistakes. Analyse the mistakes don't just assume every mistake is something scummy. 3. I need to reconsider the interactions dead players have made. What arguements have other made against them? What arguements did the dead player make himself? Etc etc... 4. People who have pushed lynches on dead scumplayers aren't confirmed townies! Town MVP Probolous. He were the most active throughout the game, his DT play were great, and he were the one who got Sheth lynched. Scum MVP gonzaw. While his play in the thread in the end seemed very shady, and should have gotten him lynched (!!), his comments and ideas in scum QT were great. OVerall though the scumteam played very good! | ||
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On January 15 2012 11:27 gonzaw wrote: >_> EDIT: Anyways, thanks for the analysis! (and the MVP award, although maybe it should be split in many different areas IMO, I don't think each scum member was any less or any better than the other, not even Sheth) LOL. Bad typo there And yeah, I kind of agree, the scumteam as a whole did a great job! | ||
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