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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 09 2012 19:01 GMT
#1056
Even disregarding the discussion as to what is the optimal strategy for angel night hits, demons definitely want to get angels lynched. Blocking angel of death means there is no AoD kill, which can instantly make the person who was sent into purgatory look suspicious and thus could get them lynched. Demons probably also benefit from no kill nights due to the corruption mechanic. Having said that, the topic of discussion is quite irrelevant because I'm obviously not going to look for scum Palmar for lynch advice. Whether he thinks you are blue or angel doesn't matter at all.

Also while Palmar is a very good player, he doesn't care about game mechanics, so I doubt he put much thought into who he targeted in terms of overall game strategy.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 09 2012 19:55 GMT
#1065
I haven't been paying attention to this whole lying about voting thing, but it seems very unlikely to me that it was intentional. If Refallen is scum, I doubt he would prefer a day 1 no lynch over lynching town or lynching a member of the opposing team. If town had no lynched due to his vote not going through, he would have to explain his actions.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 09 2012 20:09 GMT
#1067
I think it's something that should just be encouraged, but not something that should be a policy. People are going to forget and I don't think it's particularly helpful to keep pointing that out. The information itself can be useful, but it's not really crucial.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 10 2012 05:59 GMT
#1130
Risk.nuke: I asked you a question. Would you rather lynch Tyrran or HoD today and why?

This RoL wagon is incredibly suspicious. We aren't lynching him today.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 10 2012 06:02 GMT
#1132
On January 10 2012 15:00 Spaackle wrote:
@Syllo. If not him, then who?

Risk or Tyrran
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 10 2012 06:04 GMT
#1133
Hello Tyrran is Risk still a null read to you and why? What do you think about these posts?

Syllogism, there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them. Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. I'm town and you're forcing me to reveal what I wanted to do. If I had been scum you would had just tipped me off instead of saving it for a case you would write against me.

So syllogism I don't like having meta thrown in my face. First of all nobody likes having meta thrown in thier face because it's not really something you can defend yourself against. But there are different sorts of meta. There are meta of people who have played alot of games who's meta can be very clear (erandorr). Then there is meta of people who have played games as both mafia and town. Then there is meta against me who have only played as town. I mean I've had people calling me out on meta in all of my games exept 1 or 2 and I've always been town including this time so I'm getting a bit sick of it.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 10 2012 06:09 GMT
#1137
On January 10 2012 15:05 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 15:04 syllogism wrote:
Hello Tyrran is Risk still a null read to you and why? What do you think about these posts?

Syllogism, there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them. Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. I'm town and you're forcing me to reveal what I wanted to do. If I had been scum you would had just tipped me off instead of saving it for a case you would write against me.

So syllogism I don't like having meta thrown in my face. First of all nobody likes having meta thrown in thier face because it's not really something you can defend yourself against. But there are different sorts of meta. There are meta of people who have played alot of games who's meta can be very clear (erandorr). Then there is meta of people who have played games as both mafia and town. Then there is meta against me who have only played as town. I mean I've had people calling me out on meta in all of my games exept 1 or 2 and I've always been town including this time so I'm getting a bit sick of it.


Both of those guys are also scum so it's not really useful to talk to them

It looks like criticism of his bad plan, which doesn't make him mafia. It's a very weak case. Him being completely worthless is a better reason to lynch him, but not good enough to ignore people who have genuinely been here and played incredibly suspiciously. What do you think about risk/tyrran now?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 10 2012 06:19 GMT
#1140
I said that is a better reason to lynch him, but I believe that he is busy (see: Responsibility mafia) so his activity being a null tell makes him a clearly worse lynch than risk/tyrran.

Risk.nuke: unless you can convince me to lynch Tyrran instead, we are lynching you. Good luck

##vote risk.nuke
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 10 2012 06:23 GMT
#1142
No, I'm saying he is busy due to being busy (work/real life) and as we can only lynch one per day, we prioritize the better lynches. Townies suggest bad plans all the time and defend them to death.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 10 2012 06:30 GMT
#1145
See this is why people call you WBG's smurf. You are like a wall. I've repeatedly said that him being worthless is suspicious but that doesn't mean that he is a better lynch than the other two. Who do you think is more likely to suggest and defend a plan that is clearly going to be controversial? Town or Scum?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 10 2012 06:37 GMT
#1149
It depends on how the person who suggests the plan thinks it is going to be received. I doubt RoL thought a mass claim on day 1 plan was going to be well received. Scum do not want to suggest a plan that instantly makes them the center of unwanted attention. Further, I don't think it's quite that obvious that the plan is bad and I think he thought quite a bit about it, which suggests to me that he really does think it's a good idea. Regardless, as I can't reliably determine if he really believes the plan is good or not, I'm treating it as null. His activity and lack of scum hunting is not null, but again I'm not lynching him over risk/tyrran.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 10 2012 06:44 GMT
#1154
HoD: I'll have to think about it more, but purely based on informational purposes risk is much better given the activity surrounding him on day 1
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 10 2012 09:24 GMT
#1161
Cwave I read that post several times and I've no idea what you are saying. If you are town you need to seriously re-evaluate your play. Specifically I would like to see you rephrase or explain what you said here

In short, lynching Risk but hammering RoL is second best option. Syllo doesn't seem to agree on this, why i don't know.

Are you saying that you want to lynch risk? Why are you voting for RoL then? We've almost 40 hours of the day left, so if you truly consider risk the better lynch, you aren't making any sense.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 10 2012 09:52 GMT
#1163
Is that supposed to be a clarification? He still isn't voting for the person he wants to lynch most, who is also quite clearly a person we can lynch today. No one is "hammering" anything with 40 hours of the day left.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 10 2012 12:39 GMT
#1180
Risk I've asked you twice to give me your opinion on Tyrran. You just have to convince me that he is a better lynch than you and perhaps I will push for his lynch instead! Why aren't you cooperating? You haven't posted any content since people became suspicious of you.

Cwave: I asked you a question. You are clearly reading the thread but apparently refusing to answer. Please do.

Tyrran: Oh look, you find him scummy but hope a better lynch magically materializes so you don't have to vote for him. You certainly aren't scum hunting. Let me guess, you would rather lynch RoL?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 10 2012 12:44 GMT
#1182
Oh look risk invoking meta against some who has played one game before this one.

So syllogism I don't like having meta thrown in my face. First of all nobody likes having meta thrown in thier face because it's not really something you can defend yourself against. But there are different sorts of meta. There are meta of people who have played alot of games who's meta can be very clear (erandorr). Then there is meta of people who have played games as both mafia and town. Then there is meta against me who have only played as town. I mean I've had people calling me out on meta in all of my games exept 1 or 2 and I've always been town including this time so I'm getting a bit sick of it.

Lynch risk and once he flips angel, lynch tyrran
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 10 2012 12:57 GMT
#1186
On January 10 2012 21:54 Cwave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 18:24 syllogism wrote:
Cwave I read that post several times and I've no idea what you are saying. If you are town you need to seriously re-evaluate your play. Specifically I would like to see you rephrase or explain what you said here

In short, lynching Risk but hammering RoL is second best option. Syllo doesn't seem to agree on this, why i don't know.

Are you saying that you want to lynch risk? Why are you voting for RoL then? We've almost 40 hours of the day left, so if you truly consider risk the better lynch, you aren't making any sense.


I want to lynch both.
Unlike RoL(aka the guy who doesn't post) risk.nuke is still producing reactions and information in the progress, so RoL is a good option in my book. Hence i vote for him at this point as lynchtarget.


No, you said RoL is the second best option and implied that risk is your #1 option. Are you saying you misspoke then?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 10 2012 13:10 GMT
#1189
Tyrran: is this the reason you find jackal scummy?

Jackal 58 for being overly agressive on pamar with no real case behind it, and Palmar because i found your case solid.

Now that Palmar flipped demon, you still think he is a good lynch today? Sorry, there is no way you can honestly believe that.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 10 2012 13:24 GMT
#1191
On January 10 2012 22:22 Cwave wrote:
No, i say Risk is my number one case.
If we can lynch him today, i will vote.
However, given the certain situation, RoL is ALSO a very good option to lynch.

One does not exclude the other and i don't feel we are misslynching if we prefer Risk over RoL or vice versa.

What in the thread did i miss that makes RoL not a good lynch atm? (yes risk is a good lynch and i want him hang aswell).


What you missed was that you think risk is your #1 case and you aren't voting for him. How does that make sense? It's pretty depressing that I have to explain this.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 10 2012 13:34 GMT
#1193
On January 10 2012 22:31 Cwave wrote:
Why?? I think it's utterly retarded if it ends up in a stallmate/no lynch cause people won't vote for their number 2 given the situation.

It's depressing if people can't comprimise if anything.
If i thought RoL wasn't a good lynch, i wouldn't vote.

The way it works is we vote for who we think is the best lynch, push for the lynch and then if it looks like we can't get the one we would like lynched, we switch. There's 35 hours of the day left. You've absolutely no reason to believe your #1 target couldn't get lynched today, considering that he was almost lynched yesterday.
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