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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
On December 18 2011 19:48 Palmar wrote: oh wait, rad fake-claimed that, ignore me. Syllo just told me. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
As for ProfBad, I was waiting to see Arc's case which-may-or-may-not-come, and I was especially interested in seeing ProfBad's defence before making my conclusion about these two. We all knew what ProfBad did - he gave up and revealed himself as scum. Elsewhere, VE took out dropbear/bumatlarge. Rereading through their filters, both of them were pretty inactive. Dropbear especially only posted under pressure. Kind of disappointing how these vets treat mafia. It also makes me finally understand why there was a random one kill used against Arc. That was extremely dumb of mafia. Either you stack hits against Arc or not hit him at all. Counting on all medics to ignore our commands to all protect Arc doesn't make sense. I would be willing to bet some of the following "bad logic" townies are scum. They have been getting a free pass from the vets for being new, a stance I agree with. In light of the poor mafia logic, I heavily suspect nyczbrandon, zentor, evantrees, sheth, risk.nuke in that order. I agree that evantrees looks really bad Greymist, but I disagree with your logic once again. While your post does make sense, it seems to me bumatlarge could have targeted evantrees because he was an easy non mafia target. | ||
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
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Cwave
Netherlands313 Posts
On December 18 2011 09:56 kitaman27 wrote: VisceraEyes the anarchist has gone out with a bang. bumatlarge the mafia Godfather suddenly has a lot more time for Responsibility Mafia. Oh wauw, i wake up and read this. Good leap of faith!!! /tips hat Catching up on thread now. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
* risk.nuke is likely town, simply due to the energy that ProfBad put into discrediting him, and trying to get him lynched. * ProfBad made 2 real cases, both in the same post, on risk.nuke and cwave. However the case on Cwave is pretty weak, and he never mentions him again to my knowledge. * Prof is willing to bus his teammates, as he consistently calls out Dropbear(Bum-GF) early game. However calling out the godfather is pretty common scum-play, as you want to encourage enough suspicion to draw DT checks. *Calls out nyczbrandon's posts a couple times, but writes them off as bad townie. * Fights against Dues-ex for mayor position, argues over a few other things as well. Added with a few other things, Dues is likely town. * Zeks also looks better based on his interactions with ProfBad. Basically calling out the pardoner push as scum driven, and ProfBad calling him a dumbass  Bum basically said very little, but posted his suspicions against both evantrees and refallen. However he quickly retracted his suspicion against Refallen, but it was done in such a way that Refallen may be town. Not sure yet. So, the vote list for ProfessorBadass as Pardoner. Seems highly unlikely to me that there would be zero scum on this wagon. I would in fact think scum would get on early to try and jolt it into action. GreYMisT, GiygaS, Refallen, Radfield Assuming you believe me to be town(and apparantly green?!) where does that leave us? + Show Spoiler + I'll tell you where it leaves me, the same place I have been for a while. Greymist is scum | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On ProfBad as Pardoner On December 12 2011 17:05 GreYMisT wrote: I agree with you that arctocod will most likely be my vote for mayor. Im leaning on electing prof. badass over rad atm, but ultimatly i am ok with either being elected into the pardoner position. the point i mentioned about radfield was just something that stood out to me initially, and sets me off on voting him for mayor. anyway, bedtime, final in a few hours. yay. On December 14 2011 09:47 GreYMisT wrote: K, without arctocod in the runnings who is currently in second place behind radfield? On December 14 2011 09:52 GreYMisT wrote: prp other than lurking, is there anything else they have done to warrent your suspicion? I will be voting professor badass for pardone. He is the other (aside from radfield) who is most likely to be shot tonight, as i know curu + errandor can be troubling for scum later on in the game. In particular it is the second quote that bothers me. Why would you EVER post this? Just go click on the election thread, and find out for yourself... Obviously no one answers this question, because the reality is that there IS no alternate candidate, which everyone knows. It reeks of posting just for the sake of posting. He also mentions that curu + errandor can be troubling for scum late-game. This made me raise my eyebrows at the time, because when has errandor EVER been troubling for scum late-game? Curu maybe, but not errandor. Not sure why a townie would stretch the truth on errandor's abilities. On the Spaackle Lynch: (just read the f-ing quotes, there's like 6 lines) On December 14 2011 11:29 GreYMisT wrote: Radfield, why must you always push for last minute vote switches? Looking into spaakle now. On December 14 2011 11:32 GreYMisT wrote: Looking through Spaakle's filter I can't find much, why is everyone clamoring for him again? On December 14 2011 11:49 GreYMisT wrote: The spaackle quote is quite interesting, is there anything else about him that you are suspicious of? On December 14 2011 11:52 GreYMisT wrote: I still have more of a scum read than a town read on nisani atm, but after looking over spaakle's some more im going to put my vote there. the quote by profBA is pretty condemning, as well as the way he has been trying to get zentor to claim for the last couple of pages. Starts off with a quick little discredit of me. Moves onto finding nothing scummy in Spaackles filter. However in the final assessment Greymist gives 2 reasons for Spaackles being scummy, the quote that curu brings up, but also the fact that he has been trying to get Zentor to claim. Something which presumably he did not find scummy the first time he looked through the filter. This could easily be done by a townie or scum, but I think in this case it is Greymist trying to cover his bases on a lynch he knows will flip town. On risk.nuke On December 14 2011 11:36 GreYMisT wrote: and yet still, no actual analysis. I've been thinking this entire game you are simply misguided, don't make me start agreeing with ProfBA. On December 14 2011 12:01 GreYMisT wrote: If its hard to make a strong case day one, then how is it possible that i am confirmed scum in your eyes? the flawed logic...it burns me... On December 15 2011 04:19 GreYMisT wrote: I would like to know this as well, I've been asking him about it all game long. Why do you insist on taking extreme action on the baseless assumptions that I am scum and Dropbear is mafia? you are so sure and yet you have not said a single thing to back it up, other than just having "instinct". Contrast this with your town play in newbie mafia where you were killed because you were starting to make sense and were one of the only players using logic. Hate to make it seem like an OMGUS, but unless I see more of that risk.nuke and less of the current one, you will continue to shift from "misguided townie" to "scum" On December 15 2011 14:06 GreYMisT wrote: I am curious to hear what Radfield thinks about who to lynch today based on the events that took place during the night. I am going to put my vote down on Risk.Nuke for now. I have been mentioning the things wrong with his posts since midway through day one, and if you look back i posted a sample of his day1 analysis in newbie mini mafia, and compared it to his posting here. Not only does a drastic difference exist, but one that suggests a mafia agenda. In newbie mafia he was tasked with activly looking for scum, and his posting reflected that. on the other hand if he rolled mafia, he doesnt have to scum hunt, and that is reflected in his posts this game. Not to mention his refusal to provide reasoning behind his suspicions and thoughts. On another not we need to make sure arcto ends up as the elected official. I am fairly certain due to the events that have taken place yesterday, as well as due to his posting, that he is town. On December 16 2011 06:37 GreYMisT wrote: But in his post about changing his style, you don't find it odd that he essentially gave an excuse not to scumhunt anymore today? you are right however that he is doing a very good job at attracting attention, though i am not completely sold on the fact that mafia would never do this. ill take a look over the tread for an alternative lynch, though i am not completely sold on risk being town, his behavior just has not been helpful at all. A quick recap of what you're seeing in this last block. Greymist states that despite risk.nuke tunneling him, he sees him as prob town. Then states publicly that if risk.nuke keeps up his current play, greymist will shift from "misguided townie" to "scum". So we can establish that on Day 1 Greymist was fairly confident that risk.nuke was town. Yet here is what he says on Day 2 when he places his vote on risk.nuke: I am going to put my vote down on Risk.Nuke for now. I have been mentioning the things wrong with his posts since midway through day one, and if you look back i posted a sample of his day1 analysis in newbie mini mafia, and compared it to his posting here. Not only does a drastic difference exist, but one that suggests a mafia agenda. In newbie mafia he was tasked with activly looking for scum, and his posting reflected that. on the other hand if he rolled mafia, he doesnt have to scum hunt, and that is reflected in his posts this game. Not to mention his refusal to provide reasoning behind his suspicions and thoughts. He alludes to how on Day 1 he was already suspicious of him, yet he mentioned several times previously that he felt risk.nuke was probably just a "misguided townie". In fact even goes so far now as to state that risk.nukes posting suggests a mafia agenda. Quite a turn-around. This entire post is not a case against risk.nuke, it is an excuse. An excuse to vote for a townie. Later on Greymist switches to vote ProfessorBadass. I'd be happy to talk about that situation as well if people would like, though it is very clear that curu had given up at that point. I think it's fairly likely that Greymist is scum. I won't say I am certain, because I am not. With the godfather flipped though I think Greymist is a great candidate for investigation by our dt. I would also not be averse to lynching him tomorrow. What are peoples thoughts? | ||
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
I just noticed even back on day 1 greymist seemed... I don't know, passive, disinterested, distant etc. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I'm certain I'm not scum also fairly certain I don't have a ton to defend myself with. So a question claim now or claim when the night is over? Evantrees, don't claim at all unless you are getting votes on you from me/arcto, or from a bunch of other people combined. No one needs that information right now. | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
On December 18 2011 23:28 Radfield wrote: Damn, I was writing up a post with the pertinent quote of ProfBad, but somehow lost it. It wasn't particularly useful anyways, so I'll just write the coles notes version instead: * risk.nuke is likely town, simply due to the energy that ProfBad put into discrediting him, and trying to get him lynched. * ProfBad made 2 real cases, both in the same post, on risk.nuke and cwave. However the case on Cwave is pretty weak, and he never mentions him again to my knowledge. * Prof is willing to bus his teammates, as he consistently calls out Dropbear(Bum-GF) early game. However calling out the godfather is pretty common scum-play, as you want to encourage enough suspicion to draw DT checks. *Calls out nyczbrandon's posts a couple times, but writes them off as bad townie. * Fights against Dues-ex for mayor position, argues over a few other things as well. Added with a few other things, Dues is likely town. * Zeks also looks better based on his interactions with ProfBad. Basically calling out the pardoner push as scum driven, and ProfBad calling him a dumbass Bum basically said very little, but posted his suspicions against both evantrees and refallen. However he quickly retracted his suspicion against Refallen, but it was done in such a way that Refallen may be town. Not sure yet. So, the vote list for ProfessorBadass as Pardoner. Seems highly unlikely to me that there would be zero scum on this wagon. I would in fact think scum would get on early to try and jolt it into action. GreYMisT, GiygaS, Refallen, Radfield Assuming you believe me to be town(and apparantly green?!) where does that leave us? + Show Spoiler + I'll tell you where it leaves me, the same place I have been for a while. Greymist is scum I'd totally be down to shoot both GreYMisT and Refallen Throughout the whole game risk.nuke has called GreyMist out to be scum and several people have attacked risk.nuke for various things but he makes good points now and then On GreyMist He was the first to vote for ProfBA to be replacement pardoner When I had assumed Arc was silenced he replied: "We don't know for sure if the ability includes a silence, don't assume things." Seems weird for him to say that as Arc not being active in the hours before lynch is suspicious in itself. He implied the ability doesn't include a silence which was actually the case (Arc was afk)Considers Zentor of all people for election Am i correct in thinking that there are no bodygaurds for this election? and that the only thing that happens with the secretary of defense is that his role is revealed? then upon re-reading and thinking about it we need to treat the runner up slot like a second lynch. I want palmar in the elected spot so i am going to vote for him, but i am considering MrZentor as the runner up. voting him into the runner up will be a win-win for town. if he is town and he did not lie about his roleclaim, then the mafia gains nothing. however if he lied about it and he isnt unlynchable day one, we know who to target next. poor logic? "If he lied about it and he isnt unlynchable day one" - day 1 is over how do we go back and verify that. Note that MrZentor EXTRAPOLATED/EXAGGERATED his ability in saying he was unlynchable - turns out his skill was just extending day in which he could've been lynched after the 24 hours anyway. By no means was he unlynchable. Other than GreyMist I seriously think we should out Zentor | ||
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I think scum need to take a hail mary and shoot both me and arcto tonight, or double tap one of us(Arcto most likely). We have no important blues in the open, and not really any other real high profile townies. So medics on us, and we should be in good shape. Arcto(whomever you are) can you give me the quick breakdown on why you think Sheth is scum. I fully admit to not reading his filter this game, because it is simply too daunting. Thinking about it though, perhaps that should be a red flag for me. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On December 18 2011 23:59 zeks wrote: I'd totally be down to shoot both GreYMisT and Refallen Throughout the whole game risk.nuke has called GreyMist out to be scum and several people have attacked risk.nuke for various things but he makes good points now and then On GreyMist He was the first to vote for ProfBA to be replacement pardoner When I had assumed Arc was silenced he replied: Seems weird for him to say that as Arc not being active in the hours before lynch is suspicious in itself. He implied the ability doesn't include a silence which was actually the case (Arc was afk) Considers Zentor of all people for election poor logic? "If he lied about it and he isnt unlynchable day one" - day 1 is over how do we go back and verify that. Note that MrZentor EXTRAPOLATED/EXAGGERATED his ability in saying he was unlynchable - turns out his skill was just extending day in which he could've been lynched after the 24 hours anyway. By no means was he unlynchable. Other than GreyMist I seriously think we should out Zentor Greymist was pushing for Zentor to be elected back when Greymist thought the Secretary of Defence was just a public rolecheck. ie, vote in Zentor and we all find out if Zentor was lying. So in essence Greymist was actually showing his suspicion of Zentor when he posted that. Assuming that we actually could vote in someone for a public rolecheck, Zentor was a terrible choice, particularly when we know mafia have several power roles. You've actually just found another scum point for Greymist !Consider that we knew there was a roleblocker and corrupt attorny(or something) that mafia had access to. By voting in Zentor for a public check it assures that neither of those players could be found via rolecheck. We also now know that mafia had a Godfather and propagandist as well. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
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Arctocod
Norway251 Posts
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
I also have a strong feeling with Sheth. He was pretty hard up for defending Curu after he went apeshit and blew his power. Than when he realized he wasn't going to turn anyone to his cause in defending him, he jumped. A side note: Sheth was heavily defending Curu up until GreyMist and I "spoke logically." + Show Spoiler + On December 17 2011 05:46 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Also, ProfessorBA quit being a retard. Don't let just arctocod's rambling ruin this game please. It appears you have used some sort of power.. Should you tell us anything so we know whats going on please Prof? Arctocod shut up on lynching him please. Its getting old and stunting EVERY OTHER thing in this thread. On December 17 2011 05:46 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Giygas you think thats a mafia power? Please tell me why you think that other then just Arctocod said it would be? Freaking sheep. On December 17 2011 06:17 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Jitsu + Greymist Yay logic. You two make me happy. #Vote: ProffessorBadAss This is when Sheth blew up during the primary CuruGate scandle. He was employing a lot of different strategies, trying to convince people to get their votes off of Curu. Pleading with Arcto to ease pressure, asking everyone to think logically and seek reason...than when GreyMist and I "spoke logically" he turned. I think he realized no one was going to deny that Curulynch. | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
On December 19 2011 00:20 Arctocod wrote: I don't really feel like filtering Sheth either right now. I might have been tunnelling a bit based on the assumption I can expect him to make sense. He did suddenly turned rather hostile when we started pushing for Curu's lynch and then did another 180 pretty quickly after Greymist+Jitsu explained the obvious to him. /syllogism Ahhhh, shit. I type up a rather eloquent post that you ninja in three lines. Damnit. :[ | ||
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