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No, stupid. We'll pick several targets and WIFOM them. However if Radfield has been notified that he was roleblocked, then you are correct!
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I'd recomend we choose between the 2 people we elect. Hopefully Deus-ex and TNTP and Radfield and the watcher chooses based on their best geuss on who to watch. That way we can hopefully save those that we elect and Radfield our mayor.
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Its all about the trade off. Your trading a Watch for a Medic save.
I think its definetly more important to have the watch used wisely and if we say its "For sure going to be on Radfield" well we've wasted our watch for a save. If we think Radfield is scum, we shouldn't have given him the medic power to start with so Case 3 is just bad.
And in case 4, I geuss thats why we say for the Watcher to choose one out of a small pool, such as Radfield and whoever we elect. This in effect can save them all. Its definetly smarter to not just say "Were using it on Radfield!" when we can do so much more with it -_-
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Its not a random player, its something that can save our new elected roles. Its not really a negative to only watch Radfield but its a negative to not get more out of it. If we have the watcher watch one of either Radfield / Deus , we can figure out one of their alignments for sure, and we can save them both. Theres no reason to just have it be Radfield. I can get into more logic to explain if you'd like, but I think its obvious now that I've explained it?
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Well zeks, it should be obvious. I didn't realize Deus would be the watcher for sure, I didn't think we'd decided if he wanted Pranker or Watcher. If Deus will be the watcher, hes not stupid. Hes clearly going to watch Radfield, however with saying we want him to WIFOM between himself and the other elected role (Prankster) we could have saved them both. And yes its smart that we watch radfield, however if you were able to catch on that Deus is smart enough to know what to do with his watch then I felt we could have saved someone else with it too. Even now I think its smart that we have him pick between Rad and Prank.
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I think Greymist isn't mafia. Hes always seemed townie to me. After filtering through him, I still think hes townie. I really liked his post here :
On December 16 2011 08:44 GreYMisT wrote:Ok here are my top three at the moment 1, nyczbrandon: Filter link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=138684Notice in his posts how nothing constructive happens, almost everything is asking a question. He is very passive follows the majority for most of the day. He is also very careful to not take a stance on anything really, and only backs up other people, or makes side comments. at the moment I am much less sure on the ones below, have to keep reading. 2.Evantress http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=78429Does a better job of trying to appear town than nycz, but most of his posts are empty, consider the following 2: Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:07 evantrees wrote:true, sorry I will keep from speculating on upcoming offices, though this post probably contains too much speculating anyways. On December 15 2011 12:42 nyczbrandon wrote:
Does 2 shot-medic mean that player targeted can survive being shot twice, or does it mean he can protect 2 targets pretty sure it means can protect for two nights then runs out. On December 15 2011 12:27 GiygaS wrote:
I guess this is really the only thing to decide, me or Arc as secretary/surgeon? To figure this out we should try and get an idea of what the fuck secretary will do... I'm guessing it's like Surgeon general but can assign a vig instead. Just my thoughts. I feel like maybe we shouldn't bother let it hopefully be more of a surprise for the mafia. they've surprised us enough as it is, but then having some suggestion as what to do with it wouldn't hurt whoever gets elected to that position would it? leaning towards the first one myself. so assuming radfield is to be believed about being roleblocked. the mafia has attorney used a roleblocker and 3 unknowns possibly one a vanilla goon. I really doubt more than 1 vanilla goon given the election. Given zero vanilla townies have flipped I'm doubting there are too many vanilla people, and don't damn well claim it if you are no point potentially painting bigger targets on other people. Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:48 evantrees wrote:On December 15 2011 12:46 Refallen wrote:On December 15 2011 03:22 zeks wrote:
DTs please review the lists for Spaackle lynch and ProfessorBA election vote
The idea that the list of those who had voted for ProfBA to be pardoner has to have some mafia in it is something I've seen more than one person espousing in the thread so I just want to say that I completely disagree with this line of thinking right now. Firstly, as ProfBA has pointed out, he was the natural choice of pardoner after palmar/syllo votes were nulled. And he was even there at that time to immediately step up and say "I am the natural choice," something that I am sure many people agreed with. There is simply no reason for mafia to need to vote ProfBA to get him to office (note that I'm not actually saying that ProfBA is scum/town or anything, but just illustrating the fact that the idea that scum votes must be on ProfBA is false, since even if he was scum, the mafia didn't need to vote for him because of the lack of another viable candidate as well as ProfBA actively going for the pardoner role.) So no, if anything I think the Radfield list is more likely to contain scum. What do you guys think? kind of doubt either list will be particularly helpful. given most of the ProfBA list is dead or GiygaS. ProfessorBadass (7): GreYMisT, xsksc, prplhz, GiygaS, -GiygaS, GiygaS, Eiii, Refallen, Radfield xsksc, prplh, Eiii dead that leaves ProfessorBadass (3): GreYMisT, Refallen, Radfield can't say I would be surprised if one of them was scum but have don't have any arguments for people being scum period yet and the Radfield list is a good bit longer. Radfield (12): risk.nuke, zeks, Jitsu, Spaackle, Comprissent, Eiii, Nisani201, MarserBlood, cascades, DropBear, Cwave, Liquid`Sheth, ProfessorBadass, DEUS-ex-MAFIA, -Eiii Spaackle, lynched Radfield (11): risk.nuke, zeks, Jitsu, Comprissent, Nisani201, MarserBlood, cascades, DropBear, Cwave, Liquid`Sheth, ProfessorBadass, DEUS-ex-MAFIA, and the others. DEUS-ex-MAFIA (1): TotallyNotTwoPeople TotallyNotTwoPeople (1): evantrees prplhz (1): Arctocod Arctocod (2); MrZentor ,nyczbrandon (the annoying one to get) Both of these really have no need to get posted, the second one in particular is just a list of the people who voted for who, something we all can get accsess to. Also he showed a lack of caring who got into office/the lynch day 1. executing a RNG on both initally, and after being told not to still showed some minor apathy for it. When I am reading Evantress's posts, im seeing a whole lot of nothing, disguised as something. 3. Cascades http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=53202this post in particular turns me on: Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 16:31 cascades wrote:
I must be missing something. A lot of people like Sheth are saying Radfield is protown, but he only has one post as of now, and I don't see it. His post just states information any non first time players should know. In fact, he straightforwardly suggests Arc without caring about his alignment.
Anyhow, my analysis of his post indicates that it is a post both townie Radfield AND mafia Radfield would make. I would like to warn people not to jump to conclusions like that. They may be strong players, but that indicates nothing about their alignment.
My take on the election issue would be to elect the strong players for day 1. Arc has a more than barebones campaign and also more posts than the rest of the vets who have stepped forward, so the rest need to step it up. he said that this is a post both town and scum radfield can make...yes those are the 2 aleingments in the game. The goal of this post while reading it from a mafia perspective seem to be to seed distrust against rad, while preparing for the Arc withdrawl later. Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 13:50 cascades wrote:
I would like to clear things up:
While I noted down evantree and nyczbrandon being lurkerish earler in the day, we should definteily be trying for scum instead of lurkers day 1. Nothing about them convinces me that one lurker is more scummier than another. As such, I held off on placing my vote. I had believed/hoped I would be able to wake up in time to make a vote closer to the deadline. Unfortunately, Timezones are not very friendly to me.
Well, it turns out I failed. I didn't have enough enough time to read the thread and make a definite conclusion. Hence, I forgot about the time and made a late vote just after the voting deadline closes. In the future, I will place a vote on someone to avoid a repeat of this situation.
Some people were questioing about my late vote on spaackle. I was on the fence about spaackle. I had seen Radfield and ProfBadass push against him. I know he made a "slip". However, nothing else stood out as scummy enough. Sure, people pointed out holes in his analysis. Still, I felt his posts on the election was good. None of this RNG bullshit. After Arc withdrew/removed from the election, we should be trying to get a vet in. People were muddling the waters and arguing otherwise.It's almost like the previous day posts on why the mayor/pardoner roles are important was completely forgotten. They are useful for the night protection vs mafia. Speculating that mafia removed for whatever reason, that's WIFOM. Maybe mafia wanted suspicion to fall on all the other vets. Maybe mafia was hoping to get one of their own in office. Maybe mafia was just trying to cause chaos. Who knows? The only thing we can tell is mafia did not want Arc to be in office if the assumption mafia did it was correct.
Now spaackle has turned up innocent, and a blue too. If I was to redo my lynch, would I lynch spaackle again? The answer is yes. Though I was uncertain, he was the best option at that time, better than MrZentor. For the information of those who were not there near voting deadline, the two leading votegetters were MrZentor and spaackle. MrZentor had "softclaimed" blue so to speak. That left us spaackle. We had to vote and lynch for information. Certainly, we took an "easy lynch" so to speak, but the risk was worth it if we managed to catch a scum. Though we failed, it is expected as day 1 mafia lynches are rare apparently.
This post srikes me as fishy as well, He says if he could repeat last night he would lynch spaakles again. wtf? the only purpose this serves to say is to try to defend your actions by appealing to the sense that you are a towine out crusading against what is wrong and illogical in the world. I see no town motive for this post as well. Those are my scum reads atm radfield, and i would like to see more posts out of them as they have been rather absenst this cycle.
I really think Cascades is a better choice then nycz or evantrees, but I don't like evantrees either. I just find this last post of Cascades really fishy after re-reading it.
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Whats your case against me right now Zentor? I know there is one, I'm just saying, whats yours? Why lynch grey and not myself for instance?
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Please do. Prompt Prompt.
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On December 20 2011 07:26 risk.nuke wrote:GreymistBeeing in favor of electing the professor+ Show Spoiler +On December 12 2011 17:05 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 16:53 prplhz wrote:
@DEUS-ex-MAFIA Oh, I thought you said "GO to reread what they've done so far ;-)" like you'd found something and wanted people to seek it out too.
Anyway, I agree that elections should really be locked down as fast as possible, and on Radfield/Arctocod/ProfessorBadass. I don't particularly care too much who we elect among those though I'll strongly recommend Arctocod because that hydra is the best townie in the game, but I'll vote for any of these if it will keep anybody else out of office.
@GreYMisT I personally don't see anything wrong with Radfield endorsing Arctocod in his very own campaign post. Radfield knows that it will be a lot easier for town to win if both of them are elected and both of them are town so this make perfect sense to me, if Arctocod turns out not to be town then no real harm done. What I think is a bit weird is that nobody is endorsing ProfessorBadass since Curu is also pretty good at this game from what I've gathered. Wouldn't you agree with all this GreYMisT? I agree with you that arctocod will most likely be my vote for mayor. Im leaning on electing prof. badass over rad atm, but ultimatly i am ok with either being elected into the pardoner position. the point i mentioned about radfield was just something that stood out to me initially, and sets me off on voting him for mayor. anyway, bedtime, final in a few hours. yay. Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 17:05 GreYMisT wrote:On December 12 2011 16:53 prplhz wrote:
@DEUS-ex-MAFIA Oh, I thought you said "GO to reread what they've done so far ;-)" like you'd found something and wanted people to seek it out too.
Anyway, I agree that elections should really be locked down as fast as possible, and on Radfield/Arctocod/ProfessorBadass. I don't particularly care too much who we elect among those though I'll strongly recommend Arctocod because that hydra is the best townie in the game, but I'll vote for any of these if it will keep anybody else out of office.
@GreYMisT I personally don't see anything wrong with Radfield endorsing Arctocod in his very own campaign post. Radfield knows that it will be a lot easier for town to win if both of them are elected and both of them are town so this make perfect sense to me, if Arctocod turns out not to be town then no real harm done. What I think is a bit weird is that nobody is endorsing ProfessorBadass since Curu is also pretty good at this game from what I've gathered. Wouldn't you agree with all this GreYMisT? I agree with you that arctocod will most likely be my vote for mayor. Im leaning on electing prof. badass over rad atm, but ultimatly i am ok with either being elected into the pardoner position. the point i mentioned about radfield was just something that stood out to me initially, and sets me off on voting him for mayor. anyway, bedtime, final in a few hours. yay. He tries to make a case on Jitsu but for some reason he doesn't ask professor whom he belives is town and should be a good scumhunter for thoughts, he only asks random townies. (That is weird) No, really. Townies ask who they belive are their strongest townreads for thoughts, scum asks random townies to gain towncred with the illusion that they are discussing. He votes for MrZentor who I am sure is town because of his abillity. Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 11:46 GreYMisT wrote:Sheth, compare this from newbie mini mafia: (also day 1/2 if i recall) + Show Spoiler +On November 02 2011 09:04 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm 100% sure Toad is scum.
So to defend myself from your lines of nonsense, the wall of text where it's hard to even know who said what.
You don't like the way I post? Starting the game of with some humor, so people wont get bored and hence less active. How is that anti-town play.
The second one is just a small pressure post aswell as the followup. Nothing more. The fact that you question everything I do while other people are doing the same thing just sugest you have targeted me instead of targeting scummy behavior and that is not town play. Narrowing one person down and claiming everything he does is scummy by angle it or WIFOM is not town play, especially since you're only targeting me because I am the one trying to expose you.
Then you're questioning my activity, trying to make a case of as if it mattered why I couldn't be at a computer long enough to analyze and write. What exacly did I have thrown against me? I am looking through the thread right now and the only thing I find is things you have said which is just omgus. You're just playing on the fact that there are so many people who doesn't go back and read but just swallows what you angle to be true.
Townie priority list.
1. Establish your innocence.
2. Support the right townies.
3. Vote properly.
4. Shut down any attempts to lynch other obvious townies.
5. Shut down attempts to spread doubt or chaos in the thread.
There is no reason for a townie ever to angle anything, that is not their job because it doesn't help them to find scum, only scum ever tries to angle things.
Ofcourse if I call out that nobody is supporting the one beeing lynched then I become his suporter, I waited as long as I dared to do it because I wanted to see if anyone else would and still have time to avert the lynch.
In the second last of my quotes it's really interesting to see which part Toad choose to answer. Ignoring what was clearly the point of that post. I'll come back to this in a second.
I am telling you to explain, the only evidence you have presented on Skrammen is he is scum because I am defending him. You're responses are pretty much You are scum, I have explained YOU ARE SCUM!! What I want is something concrete, like this.
Toad is scum because he is inconsistent to what he says, changes his mind, angle things and when asked for reasoning why he thinks in a certain way he is having a hard time answering something that should be as simple as saying the truth. to this. On December 14 2011 10:08 risk.nuke wrote:On December 14 2011 10:07 GreYMisT wrote:On December 14 2011 10:06 risk.nuke wrote:
Since graymist is voting for him I sure as hell don't want him to be pardoner.
Vote me for pardoner if you belive I'm town. Then atleast you'll know the role is not in scum hands. can you explain this please? I think you are scum. see why we are a bit concerned? He tries to discredit me with some weak metagame analysis. he is comfortable with lynching nisani ( ViceraEyes) Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:26 GreYMisT wrote:Alright read through Risk's filter again, I have decided to take my vote off of him as my read on him has been reduced to near null. In addition to what has been said that he "is attracting too much attention to play scum effectivly" i have found a few other things he has done that scum would not do. On December 15 2011 11:47 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 11:43 evantrees wrote:may have been a similar ability, scum with a variant that needs to be used more than 2 hours beforehand, but could not have been exactly Eiii's apparently since the action on arc was submitted before the 2 hour mark. On December 15 2011 09:21 prplhz wrote:
Was Eiii's District Attorney ability the same as the ability that was used on Arctocod last night? "Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the district attorney! Once per game, you may nullify all election votes for target player. Your action must be submitted within 2 hours of the end of the day cycle. You win with town." + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2011 09:43 kitaman27 wrote:/B]
Breaking News!
Front runner candidate Arctocod has announced their withdrawal from the Day One Election! Tune in at 10 for further election coverage and to witness the daily execution LIVE!
Arctocod is no longer eligible to be elected day one. All votes against them have been nullified (zbot will not reflect the nullified votes). A little over 2 hours remain in the day. Players who do not vote for an eligible candidate will not be modkilled this cycle.
and since I considered it /typed it up earlier may as well post it, didn't want to post it alone for whatever reason. probably a bad Idea. Concerning scum going for pardoner to keep their kp at 3 as long as possible. Conclusion, it was dumb given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup. + Show Spoiler +
not certain by any means on ProfessorBadass one way or another, nor do we know exactly what roles are in this game but can kind of see scum going for pardoner to help keep their kp at 3 for as long as possible would it be worth sacrificing a member I'm not sure.
They would have tonight, maybe lynched townie nights in between, pardoned night and then down to 2 kp when the pardoner gets lynched.
worst case 3/3/2/2 down two scum, 3 vs 14 + medic saves. probably not worth it also
3/3/3/2/2 down two scum 3 vs 11 + medic saves.if another townie lynch.
+days for the other 3 to slip up.
3/3/3/3/2/2 3 vs 8 + medic saves. if we bloody lynch two more townies, even then seems too risky for them to try. given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup.
this is a closed setup, nobody said anything about 3 kp. He posts this and then is told right after that the info is in the OP. if he was scum I would find it highly unlikely that that he would not know the way that kp was calculated is publicly availible. In addition, the way he continuously kept saying that I am scum actually leads me to think he is town, now that i think about it. What would be the purpose of this as scum? to try to start an easy bandwagon against me. however it was obviously not working, as both I and others kept questioning his reasoning. To me a scum player would have stopped after he realized it wasnt working. Risk instead kept pursuing me, and continuously made his opinion known. I still dont agee with the way he has gone about scumhunting this game, but after rereading i am not as sure as i was on him being scum. Instead, I would encourage you to read nyczbrandon's filter. Notice the ways in which he says something while really saying nothing, how he hasnt contributed until he was called out for it, and even then didnt really say much or give a stance on anything. He just gave us 4 targets we were already all aware of, and brought nothing new to the table. My vote goes on nyczbrandon for now. When he says he is changing his mind about me he first calls me null-read and then he says he thinks I am town. This entire post is an attempt to appease me. Greymist says this, to try and win me over. Since Townie A who gets called a townie gets less suspicious of Person B who said he says he thinks Townie A is town. The part involving me is just some weird singled out points to disguise the real purpose of the post. The point of this post was to discreetly call me town so I would stop tunneling him. You might say that he would do that even if he was town because nobody wants to be tunneled but no, this only makes sense if he KNOWS I am town. Because if I were scum when this post got put put under the magnifying glass those weak points could get him lynched ergo you don't do this unless you KNOW. He is reluctant to lynch the professor Here we're at it again, he keeps beliving the professor is town but his posts doesn't show any real strenght behind his belifes, they are just there when it's voting time. Conclusion: Mafia
Ok, I'll try and show you that this isn't a really good read on him.
For the first post in the end when we had no time to think it over and Arcto had went to sleep I thought it was a perfectly logical conclusion considering we wanted it for the protection and he was a veteran hydra so seemed smart from a townie point of view. He then changes to just saying any of the 3 hydras and that Arctocod was his favorite choice.
2nd : I've asked random townies all of the time. All Arctocod did was ask random townies. Its how you begin to get reads on everyone is by getting them to post. I'd think its more of a scum tell if he only asked ProfBA for what he thought on these matters.
The 3rd point is tough. He did change completely on risk.nuke, but I think most of us did as well. For a while there in day2 he was our lynch target I think. He said some really crazy things and just acted really aggressive with no proof.(Risk did I mean) And I think Grey's reasoning for why Risk.nuke isn't mafia was one of the main reasons I don't think Risk is mafia. So in the end I think this 3rd point isn't valid, because most of us were looking harshly at risk.nuke and now we consider him very heavily town.
Then for the last one where he wanted to vote off ProfBA... I couldn't find where he said anything about it. Please what page of the filter?
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On December 20 2011 07:43 MrZentor wrote:I have to go for a while and will be way too tired when I get back to explain in full, so I will summarize quickly and try to get the full report tomorrow. Grey led the town to elect PBA. He hasn't really helped the town at all. He has committed several mistakes(such as thinking secretary of defense was a public role check) that led to time being wasted explaining his mistake to him. This all makes him pretty suspicious. You look pretty suspicious, because you seem to be illogical(not that I am) and tried to defend the godfather without any real reason. Now you are defending Grey, and it seems you don't have any real reasons behind your thoughts. This means if Grey flips scum, it will confirm that you are a scum and should be lynched. If Grey flips town, it will make you seem a less guilty. We could kill you, but Grey seems more suspicious; I don't think we have a good enough case for your death. Yet.
I think electing PBA was the obvious smart move, I dont see how that can make someone scum. Maybe TNTP or Deus would have been elected if they were posting at all then, but I dont think they were.
I defended ProfBA because there was no real logic behind the claim that he was mafia it was just "errandor doesn't post when hes mafia" and a few other points that were correct, but really impossible to know without having played plenty of games with erran/curu I geuss. So I don't see how Grey or myself should have known this was true.
And whether or not Grey flips scum shouldn't confirm I am scum or that I'm less guilty. I just want to use logic and I think MarserBlood (jj2a or somethingw now), Comprissent, Cascades and whoever else aren't posting at all and check them for scum. Nycz or w/e too. I'm really unhappy with how Cascades looks atm and would love to hear Radfields or Jj2a's oppinions on his filter. I'm not happy with linching Greymist today.
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On December 20 2011 08:15 Jitsu wrote:
Well, i'm a new one to the lynch GreYMisT train, but I do have this simple question.
Why are you two so buddy-buddy?
I don't think hes Mafia so I'm trying to point out if someone isn't using logic when making a case against him. If it was a case based on logic I'd definetly be cool for killing him, but I'm worried atm.
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On December 20 2011 08:15 risk.nuke wrote:
"Arcto I understand your suspicions of curu, but do you really feel confident in lynching him based on the little you provided? Why him and not some of the other candidates we have presented?" - greymist
"How can you expect us to agree to lynch curu when you openly admit to being lazy and not putting effort info other cases, and then saying you will only "Probally" give your reasoning. Just because you are very likely town does not excuse you."
- greymist
"I am holding off on voting prof. badass until arctocod can give their reasoning. Weren't you the one a few pages back who said we need to not follow you guys blindly?" - greymist
I agree with all of these points that Greymist brought up then. That was really why I was against lynching him in the first place. Arco said he was lazy and even thought he said he was joking when he said he would "Probably" give his reasoning, he never did give it. I'd need something more then this to feel confident in voting out Greymist. Even if you end up lynching him then me, please look at Nycz and Cascades and Marser and so forth. Also Cwave what do you think on this matter? You said you hate getting asked in like we asked you earlier, but thats because your not posting.
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On December 20 2011 08:28 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 07:59 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On December 20 2011 07:43 MrZentor wrote:On December 20 2011 07:16 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Please do. Prompt Prompt. I have to go for a while and will be way too tired when I get back to explain in full, so I will summarize quickly and try to get the full report tomorrow. Grey led the town to elect PBA. He hasn't really helped the town at all. He has committed several mistakes(such as thinking secretary of defense was a public role check) that led to time being wasted explaining his mistake to him. This all makes him pretty suspicious. You look pretty suspicious, because you seem to be illogical(not that I am) and tried to defend the godfather without any real reason. Now you are defending Grey, and it seems you don't have any real reasons behind your thoughts. This means if Grey flips scum, it will confirm that you are a scum and should be lynched. If Grey flips town, it will make you seem a less guilty. We could kill you, but Grey seems more suspicious; I don't think we have a good enough case for your death. Yet. I think electing PBA was the obvious smart move, I dont see how that can make someone scum. Maybe TNTP or Deus would have been elected if they were posting at all then, but I dont think they were. I defended ProfBA because there was no real logic behind the claim that he was mafia it was just "errandor doesn't post when hes mafia" and a few other points that were correct, but really impossible to know without having played plenty of games with erran/curu I geuss. So I don't see how Grey or myself should have known this was true. And whether or not Grey flips scum shouldn't confirm I am scum or that I'm less guilty. I just want to use logic and I think MarserBlood (jj2a or somethingw now), Comprissent, Cascades and whoever else aren't posting at all and check them for scum. Nycz or w/e too. I'm really unhappy with how Cascades looks atm and would love to hear Radfields or Jj2a's oppinions on his filter. I'm not happy with linching Greymist today. Its not that theres no real logic, you're just not reading or comprehending any of it ProfBA's lynch was not completely on meta First of all him coming out of the woodworks and asking for pardoner position at a perfect timing after Arc got taken out should've been an indication to you The fact that he gave up so easily and played the frustrated townie is another indication The fact that he has barely contributed to any town discussion is an indication You can take meta for what its worth and sometimes you should trust the vets Do we really need to spell it out for you ? If you thought there was no logic behind the claim that he's mafia you think we got him on luck?
I get that there all small things that add up to it. Those posts we were talking about however was done before he gave up. I thought he contributed quite a bit to town when he was here. Just was inactive quite a bit, I think the same can be said for TNTP, when hes here hes really helpful, but hes randomly here or not.
And yes I don't think its luck, but Arctocod never used any of those as reasoning for voting him off, except for that he came out as pardoner perfectly, which I now see was a great tell that he was mafia, but it made sense from town as well. I'm working on it Zeks. =/
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I thought zeks was town before you did.
/hipster
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On December 20 2011 08:53 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 08:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I thought zeks was town before you did.
/hipster -_- you hated me for the longest time
Yep! But hey, I loved you after it!
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On December 20 2011 08:55 Jitsu wrote:
Weak defense, and totally ignored my statement.
What did I ignore?
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If you had flipped red Greymist I would have officially been the worst mafia player ever. And yes I agree with that completely Rad. Greymist as Watcher then Deus as Prankster. I like it.
We should watch out as I think the mafia with the power to do something to elections could possibly still remove Greymist. So who would we put in if they remove him from the running? Also, I recomend people go through the filters for NYCZ and those others that me + greymist have been talking about. Just because they havn't posted much recently doesn't make them mafia as Dropbear proved!
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On December 20 2011 13:37 Refallen wrote:
Ok, so I'm having a bad feeling about sheth because of this. He has accused several people over the course of this thread of being mafia, let's list them out now.
Day 1
- zeks
- MrZentor (claimed blue?)
- prplhz (VT)
And then he bandwagoned spaackle, which is fine, except that he flipped blue too.
Day 2
- really convoluted case on Giygas (who by the way I think most of us can say is definitely town)
- really resistant on voting for ProfBadass until it seems like his lynching is inevitable (then jumped on the bandwagon and said how Greymist & Jitsu actually posted logic as an excuse? to vote ProfBadass)
All these things when taken in isolation probably dosen't mean much, but I have a bad feeling when it all comes from the same person.
I helped start the bandwagon on ProfBA. Then I got off of it whenever I thought Arctocod had went too far. Deus-ex did the same thing and I just was more vocal of my wanting reasoning for kicking him off. Then when ProfBA did his crazy I'm locked in a room thing I was resistant for a bit because it didn't seem very mafia, why wouldn't he use it on someone else for instance, but then I got it and agreed. Was just trying to be smart about it.
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On December 20 2011 14:56 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 05:43 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I voted for him just to see who would agree / disagree with me. I didn't really think Arctocod had an argument that was worth killing off ProBA, but I wanted to see everyones responses.
That was why I joined in on the bandwagon. I get that I was wrong in the end about ProfBA and apparnetly Arcto had an amazing argument, but he didn't post it. I still think if we'd just followed Arcto's maybe I'll post it at the end argument we end up lynching people like Greymist or forcing ppl like Greymist out of hiding. I get that its good if we have a good scum read, but at that point I didn't like Arcto's case.
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