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On December 14 2011 05:38 zeks wrote:Analyzing Sheth's posts Now lets look at a quick timeline of stuff he's done: 1. Ran for mayor immediately after game starts He's one of the first people to run for mayor but drops out rather quickly without challenging the other candidates. For a completely new player to immediately run for mayor practically right after game starts seems fishy. After Rad/Arc campaigns gain steam he drops out silently because he knows he has no way of winning. 2. Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 12:28 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Its very important we get these two positions filled up by people who are 100% not mafia. This can be tough obviously. So I think its obvious we want someone who is willing to write a lot in order to be one of these. Implying people who write a lot are not mafia? Terrible logic Note that he writes big blocks to try to fit his own category. 3. Claims he hasn't read any past games Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 05:13 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I have not zeks :[ I havn't had anytime sadly. I've looked at a small part of a few before this one, but I've been trying to filter people here, fix my computer and keep up on SC2 related things. Its pretty time consuming. Not to mention that I'm at my families house and should visit with them as well >< Yet it seems fishy that he does know some stuff about past games... Show nested quote +Why would it be devastating to have Radfield/Arctocod in office if they're both scum? The Mayor's role isn't really that powerful, and PYP:I was won without the Pardoner stopping a single lynch, and if the Pardoner stops a lynch without a huge reasonable then he's autolynch the next day. Wouldn't it be worse to have them out of office if they are town?" Correct me if I'm wrong is sheepycat someone in a past game? Show nested quote +There is no way to figure out if someone is "100%" mafia either. Oh percentages, how I hate sheepycat or w/e his name is for over using them on EVERY single read he ever had. And what do you mean theres only one way to get confirmed and that way kinda prevents people from getting elected afterwards? I honestly just don't know....
4. People have called me out for saying "my 6th sense says one hydra is scum" - and used that in a case against me. What about Sheth? He's been doing the same thing! Except in multiple occasions! Don't see him getting called out [Excuse my selective quoting, if you filter him and read these comments and the context it was in, you'll see that it makes no difference that i quoted it this way] Show nested quote +I get the basic read from Redfield that hes clean though. Just from the imaginary tone I hear in my head. Show nested quote +Radfield hasn't said anything from his one post, so I kind of don't think he should be mayor based on that, but I really think hes townie. Just from a random gut read. Show nested quote +Radfields comments are again good. I'm getting like this pure read from him for now. Just seems legit. This quote unsettles me too: Show nested quote +And pointing out I'm trying to collect towncred is a good way for you to get some good towncred too. =) 5. Sheth posts a lot, but he's rather wishy washy in his opinions Show nested quote +Lynch - Prplhz - I've always gotten some weird vibes from him. Back when he said neither elected position is at all important and him saying he thinks its better if Mafia gets one of those jobs. I think its just weird logic. I'm all for you attacking risk.nuke and looking at deus-ex above me, and I realize your not really on other peoples radar, but your definetly on mine. If you can change my mind I'll definetly change my vote, I'm just saying this now as I have to go. I'll be back to re-read this all over before actual Election time. Lynch Prplhz based on "weird vibes" Show nested quote +Either Zeks or Zentor. They've both shown that even if there not mafia, there not going to be too helpful in finding real mafia and might just confuse us more. Then says if given the power he'd lynch me or Zentor. After Arc pressures Sheth he backs off a bit: Show nested quote +Sure, will do. Just again notice I was asked just which player would you call down the thunder on right now if you could? So I just answered my two feels and a brief why. Who've I've been worried about the most is pretty much constantly changing with posts and as I go over and filter everyone. It appears to me he's just playing along with whatever the flavor of the week is Conclusion: If you take everything he says as truth then he's an innocent townie who's trying too hard. Otherwise he seems pretty scummy
Ok, well I'll take Arcto's advice on answering this.
1. I ran for mayor to test the waters and learn what its like to run for an office. I have no experience and didn't realize the office was mainly to stop the veterans from getting shot right off. Whenever I realized this I pulled my campaign and honestly it was a good way for me to learn a lot about how to do it for the next game.
2. I imply that people who talk more are easier to get reads on. I think thats a pretty obvious thing, that you want those who are mafia to have plenty of time to slip up. I never imply people who write a lot aren't mafia.
3. Not a post by me. Wrong quote. Also sheepycat was someone I played with in Offline mafia. I've never played online before. Feel free to check.
4. My early points are just that I think its fine if radfield is mayor. I just think its a smart decision from what I've seen him type. I believe most people agree with my intuition. where as I don't really understand where your Hey lets kill a Hydra! came from.
5. I'll stop adding in extra words in my post. Sorry.
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On December 14 2011 05:59 Arctocod wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:59 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So, as to avoid the same mistake I made with prplhz... would you guys check what I'm been reading up on about risk.nuke.
His posts don't make much sense hes just wildly accusing whoever for no reason. He started off calling FoS on Deus-Ex and then drops it randomly and accuses Gylgas, TotallyNot2ppl, Arcto and a few others. A lot of just confusing things added in by him. I'm NOT saying hes mafia, just that I think his posts also show very little logic. And I'm simply pointing them out to the rest of you guys. Thoughts anyone ? I really, really dislike this post. First of all, I don't think you're in a position to accuse someone of not using logic, when you seem to be happy to apply very little yourself, half your reads and opinions this game have been backed by nothing but your instincts or gut. Also, why do you care so much that we don't think you're accusing him of being mafia? Most importantly, what does this post tell us? It gives us a very much unexplained case on risk.nuke, that seems to conclude nothing about his alignment. But the real idea seems to be asking town to double check your ideas. Why are you not comfortable taking responsibility for your reads and actions? Why do you need so much feedback? If you can't even convince yourself you're right, how do you expect to convince others? The only people in mafia who don't like to be listened to are mafia. You claimed in one of your posts to be cocky and egoistic, I haven't seen any of that. What I have seen is that your filter is already painful to read because your thoughts aren't coherent, What I have seen is that you're insecure in your reads and you don't fully commit to anything, which seems to be an awfully self-centered approach to the game. The only saving grace is that your flowing and chaotic style of posting seems to be something unlikely for a new scum to do, rather an overenthusiastic townie. But I expect you to shape up from this point on. You don't want to be in a position where you're getting by because people think you're bad enough to post these things as town too. Why do you flop so hard on your reads when I attack them? How do you know I'm not mafia trying to defend a scumbuddy? Do you actually care who we lynch tonight? Or is it okay that we lynch just about anyone as long as it isn't you. I'm getting that feeling.
I tried to start this game off with a just go fast attitude. I realized I didn't know plenty of the rules and ideas behind playing this online. There are a lot of things that are different in offline vs online. And honestly I'm going through a lot of people and changing who I think is mafia becase thats what you do early game. You get everyone involved and talking.
And honestly there are a few people who I think are clean based upon there reactions to my posts. I don't know if your mafia or not, but you have a lot of power behind you either way as a veteran. I'm trying not to step on your toes and die right off. And as for who we lynch tonight it obviously has to be someone we have a good read on. It shoudln't be me, but I'm as of yet unconvinced who I'd like to kill. I'm asking for others oppinions on this because I want to see other peoples reads on people. In offline we always just sleep day1 or kill someone we heard moving at night. So thats about as unflowery as I can make it.
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On December 14 2011 06:47 prplhz wrote:
@Liquid`Sheth Why did you lie? What made you think I had done something which I hadn't? Can you maybe quote some posts and take me through your thought process? I'm quite aware that I can be misunderstood, I'm just wondering if you did it on purpose or by accident.
It wasn't meant as a lie. It was a really poor choice of words. When you said :
Last game I WAS scum, so it's good that a lot of people had me on their list? Also, you shouldn't be talking about Palmar's performance in XLVIII when that game is still going on.
Why would it be devastating to have Radfield/Arctocod in office if they're both scum? The Mayor's role isn't really that powerful, and PYP:I was won without the Pardoner stopping a single lynch, and if the Pardoner stops a lynch without a huge reasonable then he's autolynch the next day. Wouldn't it be worse to have them out of office if they are town?
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I thought this was a weird post. When you said "Why would it be devastating to have Radfield/Arctocod in office if they're both scum?" I took this to mean I don't mind if Mayor / Pardoner are mafia. I then missworded it. You also said "Why is it important that Mayor / Pardoner not be 100% mafia?". Those two points were why I thought this. I missworded it by saying "He thinks its better if mafia gets these positions". I just got that vibe from you and misswrote.
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It was going to be my last post of the day, so I just went with how I felt about you. I've explained why I thought it twice now.
As for miquoting you again, are you kidding? Its the same thing. Are you really talking about semantics like "mayor and pardoner" aren't equal to "elected officials"? You're really intent on pushing this huh?
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I'm just going to start actually cntrl c cntrl v'ing stuff. I'm not intentionally missquoting you at all. You did actually say what I wrote above in different words.
My missquote :"Why is it important that Mayor / Pardonder not be 100% mafia?"
One of the things you said that bothered me :"Why would it be devastating to have Radfield/Arctocod in office if they're both scum?"
Here you say basically "Why would it be important that Mayor / Pardoner be not mafia?"
So even though I missquoting you on which line, you actually did say that. I'm kind of starting to get worried about you now...
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I've been defending myself ever sense I said Zek or Zentor. Give me a bit, to eat supper and re-read some things and I'll let you know for sure who I'd like to remove. I'm not answering half heartedly and then folding on it without good reason.
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@OT So I started to write down all of my thoughts and re-read everything, but this popped up. I'm keeping a notebook of things now.
Will keep thinking and reading new posts while trying to decide who I want to lynch.
I think common sense is to put up another hydra, either Deus-ex or ProfBA as the next Pardoner. Deus-Ex are you on right now? What are you thoguhts of this? And ProfBA do you want to be Pardoner?
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EBWOP Ninja'ed by ProfBA...., point still applies to Deus-ex if either of them is awake? And I actually forgot TNTP as well. What are your thoughts? Are you still going to let your friend decide for tonight? And do you want to be pardoner?
Also, as I don't know who is really experienced. Are there any other top level players that think they'll die tonight?
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Ok Deus, heres what I think I know. I'm not quoting so its just quick for you.
Everyone started to pressure both myself and dropbear, letting off of zeks + mrzentor for a bit. Eventually we started to back off of me and dropbear and then arcto said he was planning on lynching Nisani. A little bit after that Arcto (The guy you said was Arcturus I believe) "removed" himself from running for office.
We think at best geuss this was a power not used by himself and as he isn't speaking now, he is either asleep, afk or the power used has prevented him from talking. So now were all trying to find out who to put in an elected position instead of Arcto. I believe the msot votes for lynch are for MrZentor at the moment, and the top candiate for Pardoner is ProfBA with Deus-Ex in a close second.
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Prof, can you please sign as either Curu or Errandor ?
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On December 14 2011 10:27 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 10:24 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
yeah, i see the arcto ability.
okay. who did radfield want lynched and who did arcto want lynched? Radfield has been highly suspicious of ProfessorBA Arcto has been suspicious of Sheth The timing of when ProfessorBA came out to run and the fact that he got so much more active during this time period concerns me Voting deus
When your explaining something to Deus, someone who wasn't here for most of the day, try and get your facts straight. I don't know about the Radfield thing, but saying just "Arcto has been suspicious of Sheth" right after I posted "Arcto had been suspicious of me for most of the day and then switched to nisani" is really bad. I know Deus got to read my post, because he responded to it, but at least don't make the same missquoting mistake I did.
As for the timing of when ProfBA came to run, well I think thats just because of the crazy Arcto Ability. I'm actually more suprised Radfield, nor TNTP, nor Deus-Ex (Super) aren't here to run for it, or even bring it up. Shouldn't they be here to actively take a role in the end of the election on day1? Isn't is pretty normal for almost everyone to be here when we decide the vote?
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I'm really not sure of who I want to vote. Although with the way the votes are going now, I think its obviously between Zentor and Nisani. I didn't like how Zeks has acted recently either, but its obviously between those two. Let me go through Zentor's Filter. And if either of you, Zentor or Nisani are on now, start posting why you shoudln't be killed please.
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@ProfBA I've voted for Radfield from forever ago, not sure if your post noticing this was for me or spaaaacle. If I had to switch, I would go towards you. No one else is stepping up to try for it that I can see. And obviously I'm watching you really closely. Your campaign that your ok with us watching you really closely is fine.
NOW for the lynch. I don't want to lynch Nisani. I've read his filter and he just seems townie to me. As for MrZentor, I'm ok voting him for the lynch. A lot of his posts just look like hes trying to throw suspicion off of himself no matter how he can. I know thats not a great sign that hes mafia, but his posts seem so nervous and defensive lately. I did like the post recently where someone talked about how Mafia would stop bandwagons though. But then theres always the meta that your trying to do that now. I think as of right now I'm voting for MrZentor, unless we add some things in the last few minutes. I'll go put it down now, but am open to changing it if you have a really great candiate Radfield.
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@Refallen WHY shoudln't we think your red? Why did you decide now to come back and answer questions?
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On December 14 2011 11:06 risk.nuke wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2011 11:02 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 10:35 prplhz wrote:
Something that everybody needs to realize is that the only reason scum would even want to be mayor/pardoner is to deny Radfield and Arctocod the position. While it is very likely that scum are responsible for Arctocod pulling out of the race, it is very unlikely that they did this so that they could get the spot. People like ProfessorBadass are in no way more scummy just because this happened and ProfessorBadass is around. OK, haven't read the last few pages yet, but I fully agree with this. ProfessorBadass, even though I have a slight scum read, should be the pardoner. Curu is a strong townie, and my day 1 reads are not the best. EVERYONE VOTE PROFESSORBADASS FOR PARDONERNow we stop talking about the election and talk about the lynch again.
We are not lynching Zentor. He softclaimed blue, and did it in a way that newbie townies normally do it. For now, I am inclined to believe him. If mafia want to shoot him because of the blue-slip, great! Either way, we are NOT using our lynch on him. xsksc and refallen are the two targets I think we should look at. Both of them look very scummy if you read their filters. I'm not sure which one yet, but people should start discussing them. catching up now... look at how badass is looking for new bandwagon cases. Do you really want to risk putting him as pardoner?
This post wasn't made by ProfBA. What bandwagon are you reffering to?
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Ok its obvious that Zentor isn't a good lynch. so, now time to look quick at Spaaacle and Refallen. Is Spaaacle even here to defend himself?
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Zentor, use intelligence in telling us your role.
What do you guys think about removing Eiii ? And Eiii why don't you think Nisani is at all scummy? Did you read Arcto's post on it? Also, what do you think about us lynching you tonight?
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Could someone link Spaaaakle's Filter? I don't know how to do a filter and using cntrl F like I've been doing won't be that quick sense were on such a time limit.
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@Risk.nuke If you think its really important that the Pardoner role not get into anyone who might be mafia, why didn't you say something when I was argu'ing with Prplhz about this forever?
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