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@Radfield Why aren't you including ProfessorBadass in your list of recommended mayoral candidates? Isn't Curu up there with you and Palmyllo?
I will be voting for the person who stays active, transparent and makes the most sense to me today, and I recommend everybody else does this too. I will not vote for anybody based on what they've done in other games, if you want my vote you need to perform now, not yesterday. There are probably people who are more likely to do this than others, but my mind is open.
On December 12 2011 12:37 Nisani201 wrote:
Yes, Lord Sheth, that is called Meta Analysis and is used very commonly. However, it's important not to base your entire argument against someone on meta.
This. If you take all meta out of a case and it doesn't look solid anymore, then it was probably bad to begin with. Meta should mainly be used as a tool for tuning in on potential scum, not as a basis for a lynch.
@Liquid`Sheth Why are you running if you think you might not be the best choice for mayor? It sounds so far like you're just running on a generic campaign fueled by fear that you'll get killed off quick and this isn't appealing to me. Why exactly do you think that Radfield is town? I have never played with you before and I have a hard time understanding this "imaginary tone" that you speak of.
Also as a gesture of goodwill: Hi, my name is Simon too, but this is my first name. I have a hard time coming up with two lies, so I'll just say four truths instead.
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Hello everyone, how's everyone doing?  Anyway, I'd like to get my own thoughts down here.
First of all, on the prospect of Sheth being mayor/pardoner, I would say no. We don't want someone who is an inexperienced player in that position (He just asked if he could look at other people's games, this showcases his inexperience). As I've only seen one other candidate (I don't plan on running myself for the reasons that I'm not voting for Sheth most likely), I feel like I would vote for him. Why? This isn't because he's the only other candidate, but because what he has said thus far makes sense, and gets us the sense that he is town, based on him readily giving info, as well as (most importantly) trying to get another player who's excellent at the game (especially both of them), on board. That said, I'm not going to vote yet, as well as I won't declare any kind of affiliation to Arctocod yet until I see his own posts.
On Jitsu's lynch policy question, I believe in LaL heavily. While there are some exceptions to this rule (a blue protecting himself), in general, a lie is usually sign of Mafia, especially when it is a petty one. An example of a petty lie that I've seen in a game between me and my friends (They are all SO bad), was that someone made the excuse of not reading the thread completely, when the post before the one in question said he was going to read the thread completely and come back to us. I don't think it's any kind of obvious that we need to lynch this kind of lie, as it's a baseless excuse.
To finish, I want people to post their policies, as well as their own opinions on mayoral candidates for now. We can't really make any good reads on who's mafia until content starts coming out, and the best way of doing that is to get some discussion flowing around who we want as mayor/pardoner.
Remember, a mafia can hide easily in a quiet/inactive town. To fix this, let's get some content and activity going!
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Players are reminded that the mayor is not deciding the lynch. You have one vote for the elections and one for the lynch.
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Alright! Game's finally started! XD
I am a newbie, so I won't be running for anything yet until I see how the whole election thing ends up working. I really do think, though, that everyone should at least get out there and post a big wall o' text so that we can all get reads on each other and begin the scumhunt. If you're going to run, say so and give the reasons why. If you're not going to, then at least post something so that we can see where you stand. Having a scum in office, especially the pardoner office, would be devastating to the town. Now to read the other posts. I'll have another, more detailed post up shortly.
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Hi folks
Radfield's campaign makes the most sense to me so far. One question for all candidates; how do you plan on influencing blue roles to protect the townies?
I'd like our mayor/pardoner to keep us well informed of how/what they are doing in order to direct a town victory. Whoever is clearest to me has my vote
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@zeks I think I'd like one in office and to try and keep the other around to keep good reads on the the one in office. I do think we need to hear from Arctocod first and I too am interested in the others who are planning on running a campaign.
@prpthz I like that your going to vote for the person who is the most active and transparent in this game. I think your somewhat contradicting yourself when you said both "I will not vote for anyone based on what they've done on other games" and then "I have never played with you before and I have a hard time understanding this imaginary tone".
I get your point though on me. II'm not trying to run on a campaign that is fueled by fear. I just enjoy the part of being active in town and this is a good way to do it. I've read a lot about Mayor and I understand his roles. He acts as a town safeguard, gets 2 votes on elections and lynchs and cannot be killed by mafia. Pardoner gets 2 chances to pardon people who he thinks are innocent of general lynches.
And as for me thinking I'm not the best choice, well I honestly don't think I'm clearly the best choice for Mayor. I think I'd do well to learn this though. I'm not one to just sit out because I "might not be the best for the job" because I honestly feel that I can be the best for the job. I don't have tons of practice games, but I'm definetly a quick learner and I've tried my best to be active and transparent. Two things I think are important in a Mayor / Pardoner. And as for the imaginary tone, well I liked what he said and the way he said it. It basically means to me that I didn't see anything in what he said that at all hints towards being a mafia.
@ Gylgas I realize I'm not that experienced at the online version of this, although I have played quite a few offline games of mafia. I realize I'm not easily the "best or most experienced" for the choice. However I do feel that I'd learn and fill in the shoes properly. I ask questions if I'm not sure, and I don't have any questions about this topic anymore. I don't claim to have it down as well as veterans who have played it before, but I think I have potential in playing it the best. Yea I'm definetly a cocky egotistic person. I get it, and I dont mean to come off condesending if I do.
And as for Jitsu's lynch policy question I really liked your answer on this GylgaS. Lieing to protect a blue is fine, but even then lieing can be oh so dangerous. I'm a huge fan of removing blue's unless its fairly certain there not red. As for the candiates so far, I've only seen Radfields and Gylgas's. To keep it short, they both seem like good posts. I hope mine seem as good too...
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Just a quick thing that I realize could sound stupid that I send. And in fact does sound stupid. "The mayer gets 2 votes on elections and lynchs" I meant or. Or at least I realize its or now.. I'm trying ><
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Woo!
Alright, I'm not going to be running for mayor or pardoner or anything. I'm going to be voting for one of the hydras, in all likelihood-- from my experience, multi-person players (especially with experienced, devoted mafia players behind them) can absolutely wreck games like this. Having a pro-town hydra behind a bodyguard should be town's goal for today, in my opinion.
Could we start discussing in advance how the pardoner should be used? I remember the pardoner being a pretty controversial role in the last game I played with one, so it'd be good if we could get people talking about how he should behave *before* we elect one. It seems to me that having a pardoner that can pardon *twice* is ridiculously powerful, and could probably win scum the game outright if a red got that spot. If anything, the person who gets pardoner needs to propose and discuss their actions in advance-- any sort of surprise pardoning of a lynch candidate needs to result in an immediate lynch of the pardoner.
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PS: Offline mafia is (in my experience) comepleeeeeeeeeeetly different than forum mafia :B Much harder, much cooler.
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I'll just state my policy views now, since I want to get alot of opinions on this. Not only to see generate discussion, but also to get some feedback on how the potential mayor's stand on hot-topic issues.
LALiars - I am stuck on this. As stated before, if a Blue has to lie to prevent their potential unveiling, this could be a beneficial thing to town, but, by that time, I think town would be able to use voting in their own way to keep the blue safe. For instance, if a needed blue is revealed, we can simply vote them to Mayor and keep them safe via Bodyguard. We can take advantage of the two protected, voted positions. Am I understanding this wrong?
LALurkers - Lurking is also anti-town. In the games I have played (limited experience) mafia who lurk, and are forced to the surface because of a Lurker Policy, can slip up very, very easily. Forcing discussion is never a bad thing. The more that is discussed, the more that can be analyzed by the townie populace, and the better decisions can be made.
As prplhz said before, I will not be looking into previous games to gain inflection on how useful someone is. I want to know how the mayor will work for us now, not how the Mayor worked in previous games and how they hope to work now. I still would like to see who the potential mayor candidates stand on policy ideas, as well as some analysis from already fleshed out posts/future posts.
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Actually screw that, I'll likely vote for Arctocod unless I get major scum vibe from them. I think that they combined are easily the best scum hunters in this game so I don't want them dead. I'll advise everybody else to vote for them too, I'd like to see Radfield/ProfessorBadass as Pardoner though. I don't really know about GreYMisT, he's supposedly good but I don't think I've ever seen him in action.
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I guess I'll follow majority vote because its my first time play :/
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@Eiii Transparency is definitely a big issue to consider when voting for a candidate. I completely agree that a surprise pardon is reason enough for a lynch: the elected officials need to explain their reasoning BEFORE they act on it, or I see no reason to keep them in office.
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@nyczbrandon Don't just follow the majority, read the posts and decide for yourself what you want to vote for. It's my first time playing too, but I'm going to make sure that the votes I make are for reasons that I have thought out. Get into the game as much as possible, because it's more fun that way! :D
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On December 12 2011 13:59 Spaackle wrote:
@nyczbrandon Don't just follow the majority, read the posts and decide for yourself what you want to vote for. It's my first time playing too, but I'm going to make sure that the votes I make are for reasons that I have thought out. Get into the game as much as possible, because it's more fun that way! :D
Hm, true
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@zeks
Last game I WAS scum, so it's good that a lot of people had me on their list? Also, you shouldn't be talking about Palmar's performance in XLVIII when that game is still going on.
Why would it be devastating to have Radfield/Arctocod in office if they're both scum? The Mayor's role isn't really that powerful, and PYP:I was won without the Pardoner stopping a single lynch, and if the Pardoner stops a lynch without a huge reasonable then he's autolynch the next day. Wouldn't it be worse to have them out of office if they are town?
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I think in most games, the mayor/pardoner can somewhat control the game. They are also unkillable by Mafia until the bodyguard/s are gone. So if we have two town there, its great. Where as two mafia... well it removes a place of power that we have as town. I really think both of those roles are extremely powerful and should only be chosen with the greatest care.
The last thing you say is, "woudln't it be worse to have them out of office if they are town?" Why would you think that? =X
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Kinda the same question for Liquid`Sheth really, why is it "very important we get these two positions filled up by people who are 100% not mafia"? Isn't it more important that we fill them up with people who can actually find scum if they're town? How will you determine if anybody is 100% not mafia on day1? There's only one way to get confirmed, and that way kinda prevents people from getting elected afterwards.
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Is it possible for the body guard to be a mafia?
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Woopsidaisy, ninja'd.
What do you mean "somewhat control the game"? Just because they win the elected doesn't mean that everybody has to follow them unconditionally for the rest of the game. How are those roles extremely powerful? An extra vote can be powerful, but it is very rare that we see a lynch that comes down to a single vote anyway, and the Pardoner can't pardon anybody for no reason or the mob will have him.
I'd think that it would suck to have Arctocod and Radfield/ProfessorBadass out of office because they will find scum if they are town, and scum can't do anything about it. If they are scum then they will put themselves very much in the spot light and they'll slip up and we'll lynch them, and scum can't do anything about it. Sucks that we didn't get townies the protection, but it's a lot worse to elect a townie who can't find scum over a townie who can find scum.
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