EPTThere is no way to figure out if someone is "100%" mafia either. Oh percentages, how I hate sheepycat or w/e his name is for over using them on EVERY single read he ever had. And what do you mean theres only one way to get confirmed and that way kinda prevents people from getting elected afterwards? I honestly just don't know....
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
There is no way to figure out if someone is "100%" mafia either. Oh percentages, how I hate sheepycat or w/e his name is for over using them on EVERY single read he ever had. And what do you mean theres only one way to get confirmed and that way kinda prevents people from getting elected afterwards? I honestly just don't know.... | ||
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On December 12 2011 14:23 nyczbrandon wrote: Is it possible for the body guard to be a mafia? You'll have to ask the host about that but I doubt you'll get an answer. In PYP:Interesting scum could choose to have one of their members become a bodyguard that didn't protect the elected officials, but in the game the elected offices knew who the bodyguards were so that's a different scenario. The daypost alludes to the bodyguard being assigned using an unspecified algorithm, but I think we can assume that the bodyguard is effective in all cases, and that kinda means that he's very likely not scum. | ||
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
One thing of note this game is the difference in power that the mayor and the pardoner have in this game, because the mayor does not decide the day1 lynch, and the pardoner gets 2 votes. I am of the opinion that pardoner's powers should be used in extremely rare cases, and I mean really rare. All it does is serve to create WIFOM, and a repeat of the previous day. while it is obvious that we should try to elect people we think are town, I think the mayor should be someone who also has good scumhunting capabilites, while the pardoner needs to be REALLY town. Therefore i recommend people hold off their votes for now until we hear more from each of the canidates, aside from "look at all the games i was town in!" | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On December 12 2011 14:28 prplhz wrote: You'll have to ask the host about that but I doubt you'll get an answer. In PYP:Interesting scum could choose to have one of their members become a bodyguard that didn't protect the elected officials, but in the game the elected offices knew who the bodyguards were so that's a different scenario. The daypost alludes to the bodyguard being assigned using an unspecified algorithm, but I think we can assume that the bodyguard is effective in all cases, and that kinda means that he's very likely not scum. and actually this is incorrect, anyone who is "vanilla" could be RNG to be mafia. if the scum were choosen they could then choose to not protect. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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Comprissent
United States314 Posts
One of the reasons Radfield/Arcotod are running is because of the game experience they have; Having a highly active mayor/pardoner with good game experience from what i've read in earlier games can lead to some folk automatically trusting whoever is in office. Mayor role gives you advantage of showing up town during DT checks (am i right?), and it is a very powerful position, if held by mafia. | ||
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ProfessorBadass
94 Posts
Palmar is scum. Palmar and I have a long history of never rolling the same alignment. Since I am Town this game Palmar must indeed be scum. Also I am running for Mayor. | ||
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ProfessorBadass
94 Posts
![[image loading]](http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/original/000/003/997/professor_badass1.jpg?1285779418){kind=icon} This candidacy is endorsed by GMarshal. | ||
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Comprissent
United States314 Posts
On December 12 2011 14:31 Liquid`Sheth wrote: @prpthz I geuss the only thing I find kind of wrong with your post was this : You say you'd rather have ProfBA and Radfield/Arco in office for the reason if there scum, they'll obviously slip up, but if there town they'll find the scum for us. I think your missing the logic that if you want them in cuz there good at this game, then there probably good enough not to make such an easy slip up... So, If we put someone who is extremely good at the "Head" of our team even if it is just a metaphorical "Head" it'll be extremely tough if hes Scum. I could be wrong, but thats just my oppinion based on thought process alone not too much actual experience. So please tell me if my logic is wrong on this. I think I just got like... quadruple ninja'd lol I do think it is better to put a more active person into office anyways, it is up to town to catch a slipup This being said, it now makes more sense in my head to NOT vote for two extremely active players who are running for office, rather leaving one out of an office. If they are both scum, and experienced, town is in trouble. Leaving a lesser experienced person in office may be helpful, where if both offices turn out to be scum, we have a better chance of catching one. It's just like what was just said, On December 12 2011 14:25 prplhz wrote: Woopsidaisy, ninja'd. What do you mean "somewhat control the game"? Just because they win the elected doesn't mean that everybody has to follow them unconditionally for the rest of the game. How are those roles extremely powerful? An extra vote can be powerful, but it is very rare that we see a lynch that comes down to a single vote anyway, and the Pardoner can't pardon anybody for no reason or the mob will have him. I'd think that it would suck to have Arctocod and Radfield/ProfessorBadass out of office because they will find scum if they are town, and scum can't do anything about it. If they are scum then they will put themselves very much in the spot light and they'll slip up and we'll lynch them, and scum can't do anything about it. Sucks that we didn't get townies the protection, but it's a lot worse to elect a townie who can't find scum over a townie who can find scum. these positions don't really control the game so what's the biggie with leaving one office for someone not as experienced? | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On December 12 2011 14:33 GreYMisT wrote: /confirm One thing of note this game is the difference in power that the mayor and the pardoner have in this game, because the mayor does not decide the day1 lynch, and the pardoner gets 2 votes. I am of the opinion that pardoner's powers should be used in extremely rare cases, and I mean really rare. All it does is serve to create WIFOM, and a repeat of the previous day. while it is obvious that we should try to elect people we think are town, I think the mayor should be someone who also has good scumhunting capabilites, while the pardoner needs to be REALLY town. Therefore i recommend people hold off their votes for now until we hear more from each of the canidates, aside from "look at all the games i was town in!" Actually, upon thinking about this, i would like to alter something. Because the mayor has a hidden power, while the pardoner has an overt one, I would rather have the person i have the strongest town read on in the mayoral position than the pardoner one. this is because if the pardoner does use his power without good reason, he dies the next day. no questions asked. One thing that strikes me about radfield this game is how he immediately tied himself to arctocod in his election post. saying that you should vote for me, but his guy is also a good choice, so he will probally get pardoner anyway, but still vote for me. while an argument could be made that he is trying to show all the new players who to vote for, something sets me off about this. He should theorectically know he is town, and therefore should be pulling out all the stops to get people to vote for him, not endorsing other candidates he doesn't even know the aliengment of. Because of this, i am uncomfortable voting him for mayor at this time. | ||
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Comprissent
United States314 Posts
On December 12 2011 14:51 GreYMisT wrote: Actually, upon thinking about this, i would like to alter something. Because the mayor has a hidden power, while the pardoner has an overt one, I would rather have the person i have the strongest town read on in the mayoral position than the pardoner one. this is because if the pardoner does use his power without good reason, he dies the next day. no questions asked. One thing that strikes me about radfield this game is how he immediately tied himself to arctocod in his election post. saying that you should vote for me, but his guy is also a good choice, so he will probally get pardoner anyway, but still vote for me. while an argument could be made that he is trying to show all the new players who to vote for, something sets me off about this. He should theorectically know he is town, and therefore should be pulling out all the stops to get people to vote for him, not endorsing other candidates he doesn't even know the aliengment of. Because of this, i am uncomfortable voting him for mayor at this time. If you are uneasy about him, then why don't you vote him for pardoner in order to keep better tabs on him? By your logic I would like to keep someone questionable in the pardoner office as it is easier to keep track of his/her actions | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
Finally @Prof: WHY should we vote for you? Don't just say "I'm running lol." | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
If those we elect are scum, they will be put in the spotlight where they are more likely to slip up there than out of the spotlight. When they slip up, we lynch them. If they are not scum, they will find scum and there's nothing scum can do about it. If you think they're so good that they don't slip up as scum, then why would we lynch them at all no matter if they're elected or not? If town doesn't want to lynch scum just because they're elected officials, then town sucks. There's absolutely no reason not to lynch a scum just because he's elected. Why would you even elect someone "not as experienced", and by "not as experienced" I assume that you mean "not proven as good a scum hunter as other people"? What good will that even do us, if we put someone in office who can't find scum? Scum won't hit him anyway so the night protection loses its value, left are the double vote and the pardon but those are not very strong anyway. | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On December 12 2011 14:53 Comprissent wrote: If you are uneasy about him, then why don't you vote him for pardoner in order to keep better tabs on him? By your logic I would like to keep someone questionable in the pardoner office as it is easier to keep track of his/her actions You don't have to be elected pardoner to be the focus of attention, and I would rather not give the scum the ability to pardon at all, than trust them to not use it. @Griygas: it is true that we could figure out the mayor's hidden vote target. But in my experience it is very easy for scum to push a bad lynch. It would be easy for someone to justify using a double vote on a target "to make sure he gets lynched" than to justify someone pardoning. | ||
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Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
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DropBear
Australia4351 Posts
I am running for mayor too I've played over 10 games with a reasonable win rate. I also have been sniped really early the last few times I've played due to nailing mafia early and want to last longer this time. I suck horribly at lying and am really obvious as a Mafia so you know what you are getting. I don't think voting for any of the hydras is a good idea, they are hydras because they don't have the time/effort to be involved individually. Vote for a single player people. I would endorse Radfield other than myself as he is easily the best player here and I feel is also not that hard to tell his alignment. These posts about what the mayor and pardoner do and why they are important are basically spam. We can read we know what the roles do. Focus on who we are electing and why rather than clutter the thread. | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
if something like that happens, we have me or curu as alternative candidates. i cannot see why scum wants to shoot anyone else than us 4 and blues. as radfield pointed out, it's unlikely that both of them are scum and i agree with him there. if it was complete random, it's unlikely and if the game is somehow balanced it's even more unlikely. however i think there is also a fairly high chance that one of the 4 players including myself is scum. some things about me, annul and I (supersoft) decided that i'll start this as the "main" player, since he's playing another game right now. if you want, i may post my name below every post. i think thats good for some more transparency. and who do we want to lynch today? prplhz? greymist? got to reread what they've done so far ;-) | ||
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