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On December 04 2011 08:03 Palmar wrote: There could be third party planar dragons. That time travel | ||
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On December 04 2011 08:53 wherebugsgo wrote: Done, but you'll have a post restriction in which you have to constantly praise my awesomeness. We saw how that goes... it isn't pretty | ||
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Also radfield is it really needed to establish a throw away vote so early on? | ||
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On December 05 2011 00:25 Radfield wrote: Who said it was a throw away vote? Prplhz belongs to the class of players who have the potential to be strong players, yet are not well known enough to draw medic protection or dt investigations. I'm genuinely interested in his response and Day 1 contributions. I dislike randomly voting people at the start of day to spark discussion as it just allows the person to do a blind omgus rather than focusing on everyone. Your not going to stick with Prplhz throughout the entire day at any rate and if you do you will just be tunnelling him which has too many drawbacks. | ||
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On December 05 2011 00:40 Mattchew wrote: this is a lie... noone enjoyed reading through mafia XLVII Scum did | ||
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On December 05 2011 00:51 Radfield wrote: If prp wants to blind OMGUS me then I'll be highly disappointed. I can also assure you I will not tunnel someone on Day 1 Plans change? Yeah got home earlier than expected | ||
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On December 05 2011 04:22 VisceraEyes wrote: VisceraEyes Scum-List of Correctitude Palmar - I liked Red's case on Palmar, and his attempt to discredit it by discrediting me is telling. Like, yeah...he thinks I'm bad...but my skill-level has nothing to do with Red's points or Palmar's posts. It's a ridiculous non-defense, and it's scummy as hell. SCUM. Drazerk - His criticism of Radfield of his RNG vote caught my eye. Like, what's the point there? Does he think he's scum trying to appear to contribute? Does he think he knows how to play better than Rad? We don't know because he doesn't say. It looks to me like he's soft-defending prplhz...especially when he says things like "...you're not going to stick with Prplhz throughout the entire day and if you do you're tunneling him which has drawbacks"....it stinks of pre-knowledge. Not to mention the fact that he's posted several times and hasn't voted OR given his opinions on any players. SCUM. We still have a lot of lurkers, I'd like to see content from everyone fastly. It's not soft defending him, I will out right defend people getting voted for before they have posted in thread. Do I need to give my opinions yet early day 1 is volatile I don't pick someone until later in the day. | ||
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On December 05 2011 05:56 Radfield wrote: VisceraEyes, care to direct me to a few of your previous games, preferably one where you were scum? We was scum buddies in RTM! ( And we both sucked lol ) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124 | ||
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On December 05 2011 05:58 Radfield wrote: Drazerk, what do you think of Jackal? What do you think of Visceraeyes? What do you think of Risen? Null tell Leaning on scum Dislike the fact he is buddying me but he seems innocent enough at the moment | ||
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On December 05 2011 06:02 Radfield wrote: Care to expand on those thoughts Drazerk? Or feel free to pick your own topic. Really I just want jackal to post a bit more before I get a read on him. I really don't have that much on VE bar the fact he is Sheeping red I generally dislike anyone who agrees with me too much. It's a habit I got from earlier games but people wanting me alive generally turn out to be scum ( Unless I've claimed mason or done something extremely stupid ) | ||
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On December 05 2011 06:10 annul wrote: im highlighting it because it was blatantly obvious to me upon reading it which means that its likely to be blatantly obvious to at least one red player as well. in case it wasnt also blatantly obvious to every player, it needs to be highlighted, since nobody is going to be signaling to a clueless town player that this was a "blueslip" (as in "scumslip" but for being blue) in the same way that a clueless red player can be signaled to it by a non clueless red teammate. people NEED to be aware that he blueslipped there. it changes everything. It wasn't a blue slip, or at least I didn't read it as a blue slip. | ||
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On December 05 2011 06:17 vaderseven wrote: A no Lynch is awful for the reasons stated AND because it makes reading who voted who and why type info null. We need everyone to vote and explain every reason they have for their vote because this the one thing Mafai have to lie about everyday. Even bussing is a lie in a sense. Voting no Lynch is voting to hide relationships, motives, and information. People was still discussing no voting? This just seems like your contributing to an old topic. | ||
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On December 05 2011 06:23 annul wrote: he posted on his phone in 47 iirc hes probably phone reading and posting which is suboptimal Don't let that fool you. He kept up with the 47 perfectly, he has a job that involves a lot of downtime and has ample opportunity to read the thread ( His own words ) | ||
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On December 06 2011 02:08 vaderseven wrote: Prplhz srs question. When did you last see a scum dayvig? Quite a few games actually and until the kill happens ill be voting for you, you've been rehashing old arguments which is exactly what you do as scum. Appear to be pro town but in reality contribute nothing. | ||
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On December 06 2011 02:11 Palmar wrote: Also, you shot my homeboy, I told you to shoot Drazerk. oh and I liked you. Now your just being retarded | ||
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On December 06 2011 02:12 Palmar wrote: Dude sorry, but you were chosen by fate. but now v7 ruined it. Really? Your're really going to claim that was RNG? | ||
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Please stop being an idiot and actually contribute rather than getting our reactions this is exactly how the bandwagon formed so easily in XLVII | ||
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On December 06 2011 02:19 vaderseven wrote: I claimed cuz I feared being shot. I shot because I had claimed and I don't like being a liar like some. That's a horrible reason to role claim... and I should know I am the king of bad role claims | ||
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On December 06 2011 02:23 TruthBringer wrote: WIFOM = ? Wine in front of me + Show Spoiler [Like this...] + | ||
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On December 06 2011 02:29 TruthBringer wrote: ##vote Palmar As much as I dislike Palmar at the moment V7 is a better lynch and we will be able to get a better read on Palmar on day 2 | ||
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On December 06 2011 02:32 vaderseven wrote: You know, I coulda shot you homeboy. You should of soap is a horrible shot | ||
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On December 06 2011 02:33 TruthBringer wrote: I think V7 just panicked. Why would a mafia waste a shot on Soap? Compulsive day 1 lurker shot? I could probably come up with a million role related reasons but if V7 had taken out Palmar he would of basically been accused of omgus on top of killing a townie ( Hypothetical situation is hypothetical ) on top of his horrible filter. | ||
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On December 06 2011 02:38 Mattchew wrote: I actually am starting to think that Palmar is either terrible scum or playing really stupid so that the mafia doesnt kill him night 1 because he has a tendency to get killed off early Palmar always trolls in the early game as third party / town to gauge reactions from varies players who just freak out about it. Best solution? Ignore him completely from now on until he starts contributing properly. | ||
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On December 06 2011 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote: I still like this Palmar wagon guys, his responses have been akin to "Yeah, well...but look at this" Now he's lying to town. Also a seer told me that I would be the first to find scum...and I don't pay 12.99/mo for faulty clairvoyants. We got a real day vig? Shoot Palmar Lynch V7 Win | ||
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On December 06 2011 02:55 Corrupt wrote: Oh the humanity.. And look who arrives to the party... | ||
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On December 06 2011 03:11 annul wrote: ofc if soap flips red then the sequence outcome changes a little bit. who knows what powers the red team have anyway -- maybe he has the ability to see what role other players have. who knows. isnt it strange he claims day vig and threatens to instashoot the real day vig? as a town ofc he would not do this. It's more luck / coincidence than diabolical scum master plots. | ||
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On December 06 2011 03:15 supersoft wrote: hmm, i got to think about the recent actions. My first impression: syllo, Palmar, prplhz, (sandro) are town annul and VE might be scum. and V7? | ||
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On December 06 2011 03:16 Zephirdd wrote: If that is so, then there is only one explanation... + Show Spoiler + no meme's please -.- | ||
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On December 06 2011 03:38 vaderseven wrote: Palmar are you a jester? I don't think VI roles get used on TL so it's better to never presume someone is one. | ||
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On December 06 2011 03:40 vaderseven wrote: I think 6 scum and 19 town sounds right but I could see 3rd party. To be honest the way he is playing is exactly like his third party meta | ||
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On December 06 2011 03:46 supersoft wrote: Stop that third party discussion. There is no benefit if we discuss the setup. We don't even know anything about the town/scumroles right now. I will reread the thread and take a closer look at some candidates. We got to find a reasonable target for a lynch as soon as possible. What is wrong with the Palmar / V7 candidates? | ||
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Stop mentioning jester Stop mentioning soft claims | ||
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On December 06 2011 04:28 vaderseven wrote: I really want palmar to contribute something remotely useful. Now. lol | ||
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On December 06 2011 04:30 vaderseven wrote: I shoulda shot palmar. yes you should of -.- | ||
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On December 06 2011 04:31 supersoft wrote: it does. Now drop a gear. Go read back in the thread and find something. Says you who has promised to read the thread and post insight three times now. | ||
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On December 06 2011 06:04 Palmar wrote: I'm still trying to grasp where the logical leap from -> soap flips town -> kill palmar happens. I was still going to be lynching you anyway all it did was prove V7 is a day vigi | ||
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On December 06 2011 06:24 Palmar wrote: And why does that matter? Why did you roleclaim instead of simply saying right away the nodes were at home? No one forced you to do that. Actually you did. By saying you was going to shoot him, you wouldn't of believed him for a second and you left him with one option which was role claiming. You seem to have no idea how much power you actually have when making people do things | ||
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On December 06 2011 06:34 Palmar wrote: Better than lynching townies (refer to cosmic horror where I forced a no-lynch to save a townie). Exception is your not town and you always do this same thing to escape a lynch. Not this time | ||
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On December 06 2011 06:45 Palmar wrote: gonna take a shower and cool off a bit. Holy shit this stupidity is making me mad. And the cycle is complete. 1. Palmar does something stupid day 1 2. Reasonable wagon happens 3. He gets mad 4. He calls everyone bad and destroys town atmosphere and survives the lynch by lynching a townie 5. He flips scum / third party four days later | ||
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step 5 may be fictional it will still happen if you escape the lynch | ||
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On December 06 2011 07:00 Palmar wrote: That's the step where I'm scum? Your post holds no value without it. and your saying steps 1-4 are great on top of all you have done this game? | ||
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That's going to need to be one amazing post if you hope to succeed | ||
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On December 06 2011 08:12 supersoft wrote: And concerning the Palmarcase: It is based on stupid assumptions like LAL. I never agreed with this shit! If you're town, you have to lie sometimes to get some additional information! It's a risk you sometimes have to take. So far Palmar is the ONLY one here that tried to force anything. Accusing him for that is just stupid. There are different, better indicators, that tell us if someone is scum or not. Right now, I see errandorr being useless and lazy. I know he is playing a lot Dota2 atm and I think he doesnt read the thread very well. I think his illness may be a lie. V7 is still sticking to Palmar with questionable reasoning and he also posted scumnotes here. This isn't a simple LaL it's the manner in which he did it. He pressured Vader into producing data he couldn't and then threatening to kill him leaving him with role claiming or crawling into a ball and go die. | ||
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On December 06 2011 08:43 syllogism wrote: I'll be around for an hour or two so you have until then to push for a candidate Radfield if you want my vote. If there are any other Europeans who have to leave, switch away from Palmar because that lynch isn't happening and we aren't no lynching today if we can avoid it. There is no town reason not to comply with this request, even if you somehow are certain that Palmar is mafia, so I expect everyone to comply. Toadesstern you aren't voting for anyone. Except for the fact Palmar has acted like scum all game and the only reason you can think to save him is meta? | ||
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On December 06 2011 08:57 vaderseven wrote: Ya to be very clear I will move my vote to avoid a no-lynch if needed. I will be clear about in the thread way before some 5 second type vote switch (not that I would ever or have ever done that [lol]). we are not no lynching stop suggestion it. It is horrible in this situation | ||
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On December 06 2011 09:07 syllogism wrote: It's not rare for town to have a role like that and in a setup with this scum ratio, it makes sense. The fact it is anonymous is slightly scummier, but claiming the role as scum makes little sense except as a gambit. May not even be his role if he is scum -.- | ||
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Palmar Hier Lanaia If your not voting any of these three. Stop it. Vote for Palmar or the other two | ||
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On December 06 2011 09:37 supersoft wrote: sorry, i got to sleep now. I am suspicious of sandroba. But my vote will go on Erandorr. I think he lied about his illness. I think he's playing Dota2 instead of contributing. He played the exact same way in xlvii and i won't let him get away with that this time. I know he can do it better. ##vote: Erandorr Nice no lynch vote | ||
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On December 06 2011 09:39 Toadesstern wrote: I do agree that a vote on erandorr might be an option as well but I just don't think we're going to get 13 votes on him. If there's people willing to vote erandorr please say something because we really need to get something going tonight! You won't get the 13 votes with EU locked in for the night. The only lynch that can possibly happen now is Palmar | ||
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On December 06 2011 09:45 Risen wrote: This isn't true. I was the large wagon last game, and that was so idiotic it hurt. I'd like anyone who votes to be able to make a case like, I voted for X because Y. That wasn't majority lynch with no lynches | ||
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On December 06 2011 09:48 Risen wrote: And you're telling me lynching Palmar is the best move for town right now? I don't think it is. He's made some really stupid posts, but last game he was making some really stupid, idiotic posts and it led straight to his lynching. He was town then, and if he hadn't made his emounicorn post he wouldn't have been lynched. Now he's just being a troll and an idiot without the emounicorn, but I don't think he's scum. Difference between that game and this game is palmar was pro town all the way through the election stages, it wasn't until day 2 until the derping started. He's not even attempted to be pro town this game | ||
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On December 06 2011 09:50 Mattchew wrote: I refuse to vote for palmar or v7 i think we are just gonna waste another towns person Other than meta. Explain how Palmar is town | ||
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On December 06 2011 09:51 Erandorr wrote: Thought about other players coming soon (tm) It's too late in the day for new bandwagon targets. Focus on what we have | ||
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So choose. Vote for someone who has been acting so scummy all game or vote for a no lynch that will 100% help scum | ||
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On December 06 2011 09:55 Mattchew wrote: explain to me how he is scum. Yeah vaderseven went apeshit and shot off a townsperson but that wasn't exactly Palmars fault, just a consequence of his actions. He has been a troll and posted a lot of bullshit but is slowly coming around and not just defending himself as others have claimed. My feeling is that redFF is mafia and I would like people to look more closely at that. If not I cannot sit here and vote for someone we know so little about... I will re-read the cases on heir and laniana and if I find something substantial I will vote those ways. Im sick of the palmar v7 argument, its just like the ace palmar of last game that leads to town looking like retards. people forget that scum can post here too and let some direct arguments and conversation the ways they want it to go. How wasn't that Palmar's fault? He claimed day vigi and put a timer to V7's head. He had no choice but to role claim then later prove his role claim or the entire town would of lynched him ( Myself included ) He is not slowly coming around he is doing his typical defence of shrugging off any attackers and calling everyone bad. This is not pro town this is destroying the atmosphere we had. Scum are currently directing us towards the no lynch ( Voting for anyone but Palmar ) which is a 100% benefit for them opposed to lynching palmar who is on their team. | ||
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On December 06 2011 10:00 Risen wrote: NO! This is so illogical. How certain are you that Palmar is mafia? Vote for him because he's bandwagon is so ridiculous. We have a less than 25% chance of being right on Palmar, add to that his stupid posts and the % goes DOWN in my book, not up. Why is that percentage going up for you? He has CLAIMED a role. If his role vote doesn't show up on the list tonight THEN we sit back and say, oh shit Palmar lied TWICE to us. As it stands he was just pressuring v7 into making a move, he didn't force v7 to shoot Soap. Palmar was buddy buddy with Soap. V7 is a dumbass and shot a wrong target. If anything, Palmar is a vig target, because that gives us more time to look at where the chips fall. What happens when we lynch Palmar and his anonymous vote shows up on Hier? We just lost ourselves a double vote for as long as we can keep him alive. This is JUST like last game. What if bloodyc0bbler had been scum in that game? We shot ourselves in the foot and got LUCKY that we double voted in town. We have a person claiming blue, if his blue power doesn't show up? Vig shot or lynch day 2. This decision is being forced upon us because we "need" to lynch. Last game should of taught you never to trust power roles ever. His vote still hasn't come through and we have no idea if he controls it or not and is much more likely to be scum than town. Also think. Why on earth would palmar buddy buddy with soap of all people other than the pure fact of trolling. You can choose to lynch scum tonight or you can lynch no one wait until tomorrow after he has had a chance to kill townies with his KP. | ||
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On December 06 2011 10:03 Risen wrote: How can you not consider that scum is directing us to a lynch on Palmar. Why are they leading us to no lynch instead of lynch on Palmar? If scum was leading us to a vote on Palmar he would already have the majority. There's too much resistance for it. | ||
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On December 06 2011 10:02 prplhz wrote: Drazerk's tunneling is weird. I seem to be the only one to realize it will be impossible to get the majority on any other targets but Palmar and a no lynch will not help us in any way. | ||
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On December 06 2011 10:07 Zephirdd wrote: ...about that, you can see the "Anonymous" vote for Hier on the voting thread. I'm off for a bit to cool my head. His second vote still hasn't appeared. | ||
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On December 06 2011 10:07 Risen wrote: Last game taught me that you should post your cases as you write them. Withholding information and thoughts is not a good thing. How could that be a good thing? It's too late in the day to be bringing up new lynch targets and it's basically a wasted analysis no one will use / read and just makes him look overly towny for no reason at all. | ||
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On December 06 2011 10:11 Risen wrote: In the vote thread it has Palmar on v7 and Anonymous on Hier. That has to be Palmar. How does it HAVE to be palmar? It can be one of his scum buddies helping him. | ||
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On December 06 2011 10:14 Mattchew wrote: so taking out a veteran (palmar) is better than a no-lynch? Even if Palmar is town? I dont think so Palmar isn't town and even if he is it gives us a lot more information than a no lynch ever will and we won't have to deal with him trolling for another day and repeating this whole mess once more | ||
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I've been pro tunnelling palmar when he is scum / third party for a while now | ||
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On December 06 2011 10:16 Radfield wrote: prplhz, risen, refallen and sandro, you guys should all swing onto hier. Or Palmar... | ||
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On December 06 2011 10:19 syllogism wrote: Drazerk no, you switch to Hier No I will not | ||
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I CLAIM ROLEBLOCK IMMUNE MEDIC ...who has to claim night one. Going away for next few hours do your worst scum. | ||
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On December 07 2011 15:10 Refallen wrote: Is it likely that there is more than 1 roleblocker? Also, if annul got medic'd, and reds have 3kp, that means that mafia didn't target drazerk? Wouldn't he have been a prime target? Probably not and somebody on the scum team knows my meta and probably doesn't trust the claim which is understandable however every game I've claimed medic and stayed alive town has won. | ||
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On December 07 2011 17:43 Refallen wrote: Hi Drazerk, sorry, I don't quite understand. Are you saying that Mafia didn't target you because they didn't think your role claim was real? Pretty much I am known for lying a lot | ||
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On December 07 2011 17:53 Palmar wrote: Explain your thought process behind this. To me v7 looks like a vastly inferior target to for example syllogism? I sent in the night action when I claimed I was still mad for you surviving and dislike syllo / soft | ||
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On December 07 2011 18:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Draz, who cares what scum thinks of your choice of targets? Just vote for him and laugh knowingly until he flips scum. That's my advice. Oh yeah. I changed my mind. I made a mistake yesterday and I am not repeating it. | ||
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##Vote Annul | ||
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On December 08 2011 00:26 Mattchew wrote: your making it extremely hard even though I agree votes should be on annul until someone steps up and claims they protected him NO ONE SHOULD STEP UP. We already have 1 medic in the open we don't need both of us | ||
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On December 08 2011 00:50 Mattchew wrote: Ok here's my question to everyone. How is it that Draz is still alive My meta | ||
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On December 08 2011 00:51 sandroba wrote: ##Vote: Annul | ||
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On December 09 2011 04:50 Toadesstern wrote: hey there, glad you're back in here answering those questions you told you'd answer, staying active and all. Oh wait you're last post was on page 72? At least you did another quality post here... oh wait. GUYS, are you kidding me? Don't be me. Do the right thing. | ||
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On December 09 2011 05:29 annul wrote: if i have majority at the deadline i will have a big post ready to go. for obvious reasons i dont post it right now. but i am sure that i wont have majority because the town is smarter than this. so right now my target is palmar. any reads i have on anyone else are irrelevant unless it is a certainty the palmar train doesn't roll. i've been on him since day 1. Palmar is a bad lynch everyone seems to understand this by now. | ||
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On December 09 2011 05:50 annul wrote: im saying he OMGUSes every game. i have been voting him before he ever started to attack me. and no, you will get my big post if my death is imminent. you will see why when the time comes. Just post it now doing what you are doing now is going to make everyone want to lynch you more causing an imminent death regardless | ||
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On December 09 2011 05:53 annul wrote: says the "roleblock immune medic who must claim night 1" who doesn't wait until 1 minute before day 2 begins yeah ok dude I live in Europe that's just being unrealistic | ||
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On December 09 2011 05:55 Jackal58 wrote: If Annul is town and there is a role claim involved I'd rather he didn't claim anything right now. Well he has already said there is no role claim involved and personally I would take Annul's role claim less serious than my own and not treat him any different unless he could confirm his own role or something | ||
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On December 09 2011 05:58 Toadesstern wrote: so you agree that you're a liar and I was right about you all along? You really need to understand my meta better -.- | ||
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On December 09 2011 06:02 Toadesstern wrote: it's hard because this is the first game we're playing together I think. I mean I shot you last game on n2 with my awesome vigpower but other than that I don't know much about your meta. Essentially no one will believe a role claim by myself seriously. Ever. Even if it is my actual role (Which is useful here ) | ||
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I am going to agree with V7 with the claims against Eran / bum | ||
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Killing prplhz was stupid. | ||
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On December 10 2011 06:30 Toadesstern wrote: what should I have done instead? Tell him to not use a power at all? Clearly people would have thought that's weird as well. Mason me? Yeah I could have done that but sadly there's nothing in the thread that confirms that so I think shooting a mafia was the only option I had. Personally I would of preferred you not choose from rad's list and shot me it makes a lot more sense than prplhz | ||
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On December 10 2011 07:44 Lanaia wrote: yeah, I noticed that as well. What does it say about you, though, do you think? I think scum are trying to keep me alive for some reason. | ||
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On December 10 2011 08:01 Toadesstern wrote: I find the fact that a claimed, RB-immune medic is still alive much more troubling to be honest. I find the fact your pushing me so much disturbing as well | ||
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On December 10 2011 08:12 Lanaia wrote: For the WIFOM, do you think, so they can get a mislynch on you? Yes very easily | ||
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On December 10 2011 22:41 hyshes wrote: I'm going to vote for annul as well. If he is town we should kill of the palmar club ( = everyone connected to palmar by claiming defending him or saying he is town), starting with palmar. ##vote annul We shouldn't be lynching palmar is Annul flips town. There is too much facts confirming palmar as town now | ||
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On December 10 2011 23:51 Zephirdd wrote: Also, I am expected to be roleblocked and probably killed tomorrow, yes. I thought it was much more useful to town to have a 100% confirmed Palmar over the bullshit of arguments flying all around. Don't worry you have a unroleblockable medic protecting you tomorrow lets see how scum get around that. | ||
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On December 11 2011 01:14 redFF wrote: i got roleblocked again I don't believe you | ||
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I already said I protected V7 As for your scum reads I disagree with Refallen and Agree with RedFF | ||
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On December 11 2011 03:26 redFF wrote: also if nobody claims a second roleblock then either eran was lying or rad was rb'd or we have a town rb. Someone visited me I have no idea if that is a role blocker trying to role block or a possible mat hatter placing a bomb on me or something along those lines. | ||
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On December 11 2011 03:31 Toadesstern wrote: There is no third medic... It's a question if there's only 1 medic (the NORMAL one that claimed) or really 2 medics (the one that claimed + the one that saved annul n1 if that's not a lie). Drazerk is NOT a medic, his claim is just bullshit and he will NOT be able to protect our medic the next night because he's NOT a medic. I still don't know what to make of his claim though. He's a liar for sure. Claiming he will protect our medic when he's not a medic at all is dangerous as fuck so I'm still going to say he's mafia How about this then I protect our medic if he dies you lynch me tomorrow? | ||
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On December 11 2011 03:41 Toadesstern wrote: If you really are mafia you controle who gets shot... Therefore you could just call out "well I protected him but it looks like mafia believes my claim because noone attacked him". If you protect someone, claim you protected him 10 secs before the deadline and if that guy tells us he got shot and still lives I'm fine with your claim. But as I think you're mafia proving ypu're town with your awesome medic powers (which I still don't believe to exist) is really hard. Try a more old-fashioned way, like, playing good. Even if I do control who gets shot the whole point is to save our confirmed medic which regardless is brilliant for town. I am not going to claim 10 seconds before the deadline as I work early and can't be staying up until 4am If you don't think I am town by now there is pretty much no way I am going to convince you as it isn't my style of play, your probably going to have to get used to it. | ||
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On December 11 2011 07:50 annul wrote: and of course i am squirming. for the second time now palmar is trying to tunnel me. i can only play defense. last time i escaped by claiming. this time nobody seems to care that i'm a blue and they want me dead anyway. its retarded but what else am i supposed to do? yesterday i could sit on my ass wiknowing that i had the card in my pocket to pull out if i needed to to survive. today what else is there for me to do? now i HAVE to try to survive. To be honest you should of let yourself die yesterday if you was town. You basically killed town discussion by staying alive. | ||
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On December 11 2011 10:22 annul wrote: alright. i am voting drazerk. if you look at his filter for like all of day 1 he goes NUTTTTTTSSSSS hard on palmar. pushing him even more than i did. and then out of nowhere day 2 he stops and switches gears. he says he medic saved sandroba night 2 (???) who is doing absolutely nothing but popping in with one liners against me and going afk for another 24 hours... what a safe claim to make by someone who wont likely see it to counterclaim or care, since sandroba has been tunneling me and sheeping palmar from the get go... you have great things like this: and then out of nowhere and his mind changed so hard that... the same shit happened with palmar... his entire filter from day 1 is pushing palmar in some capacity and then OUT OF NOWHERE, you get this: then you get onto me. and push me hardcore. i think you try to find the easy wagon and jump on it. i also do not think you are a medic. i doubted your claim from the beginning. i know either 1. there are three medics (almost certainly not true) or 2. you or refallen is lying. it's probably you, since at least he claimed to save palmar and palmar says he took a hit (i think?). ##vote drazerk It's not scummy to change your mind. Your also taking things out of context stop that. | ||
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On December 11 2011 11:07 Toadesstern wrote: The problem I got with drazerk is that he's not a medic and with saying "npnp, I will protect our medic next night" he is risking the life of our medic because if annul is not lieing, we got a 2nd medic and if that guy is not protecting refallen because draz said he would do so himself we lose our medic because of draz. I mean the guy is a liar, no doubt about that but he's now starting to jeopardize blues with his lies. But we don't have three medics. Because Annul is lying. | ||
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On December 11 2011 10:52 Zephirdd wrote: There is also the thing that he protects sandroba night 1 out of all players and vaderseven night 2, and neither actually got targeted despite being valid targets(sandroba is a great player, and decent n1 target; vaderseven has very little chance of being actual mafia, and is a blue). Other way around mate V7 night 1 Sandroba night 2 | ||
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On December 11 2011 11:15 annul wrote: (which is what i put in my case and is even worse than what zeph thought) He was probably one of the best saves I could of made. I know your lying. This is how it goes. 1. Drazerk makes a brash claim in thread that scum doesn't think is true 2. Scum knows drazerk's meta and want to abuse the claim think he is lying about the claim 3. Scum tells annul to claim a medic protection and hope drazerk claims it himself in order to soft confirm 4. Drazerk doesn't claim it because he is smart and actually a medic. 5. Annul almost gets lynch and because a medic can't come forward because he wasn't shot. Scum panic 6. Scum try to lynch me knowing they can't abuse me any more but know I will be an easy mislynch The fact of the matter is you got majority target and are about to get majority target again. Any medic in their sane mind would of claimed they protected you by now. Hell I would claim even if you was scum in order to stop the bandwagon lynch, fact of the matter if you tried to abuse my claim and failed and now your up against the ropes. | ||
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How has that not been clear to you? If you hadn't of pushed me so hard and just bought my claim you would of had me shot mafia would of wasted KP and we would be fine. | ||
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On December 11 2011 11:26 Toadesstern wrote: and yeah I am very well aware of what you are trying to do this game. You are telling our medics to not protect our blues because you already got a "protect" on our blues. That is not helping. I give up lynch me I made a mistake day 1 and there was no coming back from that the best I could of got was scum shooting me but that isn't going to happen | ||
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On December 11 2011 11:27 Toadesstern wrote: yeah that's a pretty nice explanation for not getting shot if you're mafia. I mean I even thought so as well on n1 after your claim. I thought you're a VT or a VET trying to get shot but "protecting" our blues is just not a useful talent toi have if you're not a medic. I didn't think there was a second medic because I thought scum knew my meta and knew I would claim annul's save if I was lying | ||
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On December 11 2011 11:31 Toadesstern wrote: when you're talking about a 2nd medic, are you referring to yourself as the 1st medic or are you referring to Refallen, the medic noone knew was there until he claimed today or are you referring to the medic that saved annul which you thought to be bullshit? The medic that saved annul. | ||
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Tried to martyr night 1 Continued trying to martyr the rest of the game I've done huge damage trying to kill myself and to be honest the best thing I can do is die If we have a day vig I request being shot it's not wasting a lynch but I don't mind being shot | ||
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On December 11 2011 11:36 Palmar wrote: Quit it, you can either be a troll or be emo, you can't choose both. No one is lynching you today. To be honest it was being emo into trolling back into being emo | ||
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On December 11 2011 11:37 Toadesstern wrote: I am lynching this guy as long as V7 keeps telling me that he thinks annul is green. Toad your aware I have a long and boring history of doing this as town right? | ||
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On December 11 2011 11:41 Toadesstern wrote: yeah probably. Do you have a long and boring history of sacrificing blues as well? Because that's actually the thing that's more troubling for me and what differentiates your normal town-liar from your mafia-liar style. It wasn't sacrificing a blue. Scum had already tried role blocking be and I didn't claim it, if things had gone to plan they would of presumed I was telling the truth and killed me over refallen. | ||
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On December 11 2011 11:44 annul wrote: lol palmar is STILL tunneling me... never mind the fact we just outed drazerk as a fake claim and he conceded it the obvious lynch target is drazerk today. not me. Palmar knows me too well. Read my scum meta. Read my town meta. Then say I am scum | ||
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That's happening. Shoot me don't lynch me | ||
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On December 11 2011 11:50 Toadesstern wrote: I even shot you out of 80 people last game and you are telling me I can't tell when you're mafia and when you're not? You got to be kidding me, I can smell when you're mafia. That was luck, the shot was horrible beyond belief with the options you had and if I had been town you would of lost the game there and then. I am playing completely different from that game if you don't care for meta I am going to force it upon you. Real time mafia ( Scum ) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124&user=107918 PTP2 ( Scum ) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245008&user=107918 LOTR mafia ( Town ) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699&user=107918 WaW2 ( Town ) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237920&user=107918 I have other town examples but those was PM examples and my screw ups was in PMs not in thread | ||
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On December 11 2011 11:55 annul wrote: suddenly it goes from "hi im medic" to "LOL JUST KIDDING IM A VETERAN" I never claimed veteran I am VT trying to die | ||
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On December 11 2011 13:35 redFF wrote: im treating draz as nigh confirmed scum, and annul as very scummy. Your scum | ||
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On December 11 2011 15:23 annul wrote: shit even the guy im targeting says im town lol Probably because I am the only player who knows what is going on now. | ||
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On December 11 2011 23:15 xsksc wrote: Yes, you're a scum medic. Or you're our amazing town medic who managed to miraculously save scum from a vig shot Well it's happened in the past * Whistles* | ||
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On December 11 2011 23:15 Toadesstern wrote: yes he is together with sandroba. But we needed a better target than annul to get people off annul and on redFF, yourself or sandroba and redFF's case is just the same thing as annul's case, therefore it's not better unless you think both Palmar and I am wrong. I know your both wrong. | ||
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On December 12 2011 01:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Hey everyone, sorry about my afkness, I've had a lot of family holiday stuff this weekend XD I'm reading what I missed and I'll be back with thoughts. Everyone's waiting | ||
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On December 12 2011 03:05 annul wrote: lol what a horrible rationale at least this is something. so you agree with the meme that he is just a dumb player and when he does obviously red things, just chalk it up to him being dumb? interesting. Stop pushing me it's not going to work, people who have actually played a proper game with me understand this is what I do ( lol at calling it a meme ) We also shouldn't be lynching annul, I am willing to believe his claim now that toad has stepped forward ( If toad is scum or not is a matter we will get to later personally I lean toward scum ) Our best target is RedFF he has zero excuse to be on my bandwagon he has played in so many games with me and knows my meta far to well to jump on the easiest bandwagon in the universe on top of his low content posts and flipping worse than me. | ||
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On December 12 2011 04:39 Mattchew wrote: This game is a clusterfuck ... town shouldn't lie so this is dumb. we need to get rid of annul and draz (and of course my favorite redFF). Can we please come to a decision on who to lynch tonight Town lie all the time its a valid tactic to mess with WiFoM / scum shots. Lynch RedFF annul / myself are horrible targets and I don't think we will be able to lynch xsksc personally I have a null read on him which is probably bad at this stage of the game | ||
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On December 12 2011 05:55 Jackal58 wrote: Drazerk - I can sort of understand your supposed night 1 claim. However I'm not buying it when you state you're going to protect a DT. That's just pure scum move. . Lies snowball... once you don't die it becomes worse and worse. | ||
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On December 12 2011 05:57 Jackal58 wrote: Bullshit. If you were town you would have come clean once your teammates didn't kill you night 1. lol what? | ||
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Yes you are | ||
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Answer that and we will see about annul. | ||
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On December 12 2011 07:16 annul wrote: also palmar keeps saying "LOL THE EUROPEANS ARE GONNA LEAVE SOON" That is probably because all the Europeans are gonna leave soon I chant it every game and no one pays any notice and we get last minute scum switches | ||
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On December 12 2011 07:41 annul wrote: sure, but you are all here NOW, which is my point I count three. Palmar has a point we either choose You or RedFF now. In a hour it will be too late who ever has the majority we lynch. | ||
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On December 12 2011 08:13 kingjames01 wrote: Quick Question: Does a normal non-powered player know if he was visited or targetted for a roleblock? Yes I was visited last night and got the RB message | ||
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I did it because I thought Annul was town and I know myself to be town. People obviously thought the same me and there was already a good case on him. Also Palmar that is brilliant lol | ||
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On December 13 2011 03:03 Toadesstern wrote: ah damn, right, you probably don't want yourself to be lynched as both townie and mafia :p Toad stop ignoring meta analysis and basically what everyone else said in this game | ||
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On December 13 2011 06:20 Mattchew wrote: so were you actually role blocked night 2 or was that part of the lie too? na I was actually roleblocked | ||
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On December 13 2011 08:44 Toadesstern wrote: me neither Because other than the case on xsksc we had no other wagons with a possible scum outcomes if you think annul is town. | ||
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On December 13 2011 17:22 annul wrote: well that was a sudden turnaround huh I am allowed to randomly change my mind. | ||
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On December 13 2011 17:43 annul wrote: considering how "easy" and "obvious" the annul kill is i would imagine the reds would love to delay their lynching me for someone else knowing how simple it will be (so they think!) on the next day By that logic they could of done it with RedFF / myself tomorrow. | ||
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You know better than that. | ||
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On December 14 2011 05:35 annul wrote: so who wants to actually explain to me why they think drazerk is town? Because they actually understand me. You haven't played with me enough to "get me" so your probably going to think I am scum until like twelve games from now. | ||
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On December 14 2011 05:55 Toadesstern wrote: how is it my fault I said I'm not going to vote Annul as long as V7 says Annul HAS TO BE town because of his weird role. So what's this all abut now? Someone care to explain or do I still have to blindly trust V7 now changing his mind? You saved Annul if you had let him die non of this would of happened so I suggest you blindly follow V7. | ||
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On December 14 2011 05:56 annul wrote: and so when you are scum, you can act like you do now (because you are scum) and get away with it? Lying does not equal scum when it has pro town motivations behind it. Really that's all your trying to lynch me for. | ||
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On December 14 2011 07:20 Lanaia wrote: Can I ask what you mean by that? If you don't want to reveal anything, I understand. I just don't see why he'd want to have mason powers with someone when he could just post everything in thread, right? Or do I really not understand the benefits of masondom? Only if he wants to claim blue to V7 in which case we would know regardless just by how V7 acts. | ||
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On December 14 2011 08:33 kingjames01 wrote: Drazerk: did you ever hear that heroes get people killed? If you were trying to get killed you shouldn't have claimed. Instead you should have been SO pro-town that mafia were forced to kill you. That will never happen I am to weak of a player for that | ||
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Red + myself got role blocked on the same day so yeah 2 RBs | ||
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On December 14 2011 09:16 vaderseven wrote: I almost think we should mass claim at this point. There is so many claimed roles already and we need more info. I second this idea | ||
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On December 15 2011 06:11 annul wrote: what a cop out reply. see, even now he is attempting that flawed, failed line of reasoning. Since your scum your role is irrelevant discussing the ins and outs of power roles and their alignments is pointless. | ||
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On December 15 2011 07:55 kingjames01 wrote: Crap, yeah you're right. So, that's even worse. Well, I'm going to update my summary and then post it into the thread. Basically unless we lynch annul we lose. | ||
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On December 15 2011 08:17 kingjames01 wrote: TOWN: TALK!! We NEED more information! With Europe asleep at the moment I doubt we will gain much information before the lynch. | ||
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On December 15 2011 08:28 annul wrote: you seem to be perfectly awake Sleep posting. | ||
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On December 16 2011 02:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Because we wanted the town-cred for when you flipped red. XD Well at least your still trying to get a mislynch still lol | ||
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On December 16 2011 03:14 Toadesstern wrote: could you do me a favor and lynch me instead so that I don't have to hop in here every now and than? For trying to lynch me you die last. | ||
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On December 16 2011 06:13 vaderseven wrote: whats the vote count 6 Risen 1 xsksc | ||
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On December 16 2011 07:23 Toadesstern wrote: mafia actions shoud be done. gogo guys. Tell us your actions! | ||
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On December 16 2011 07:29 Toadesstern wrote: I killed you all. That's the reason we all claimed. I just send in our 6th power role that's only useable twice per game: ##win (you win the game). You can't even RB it because we can use it twice! Ahh but you forgot. I am a mad hatter and have bombs planted on all the confirmed scum. Should you win or I die I explode killing all of you. hahahahahaha. | ||
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I am going to sleep now I am going to presume the game will be over when I wake up so I hope you guys do the right thing. | ||
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On December 16 2011 21:54 Toadesstern wrote: I'm the next to die? VE next | ||
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On December 16 2011 22:21 Toadesstern wrote: but what about me? aren't you all angry because I made it into the "most confirmed townie"-spot and turned out to be a scum? That must get you mad, just imagine palmar right now! He's probably raging like hell, and you want to denie that last atonement? I suspected you of scum all game lol even after you claimed medic | ||
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On December 17 2011 02:17 Toadesstern wrote: i think it's going to be 1v3 after you lynched all 5 of us confirmed. So a nolynch would make it 1v2 (because nolynch + night kill) and a mislynch would make it 1v1 = win for mafia :p So basically it makes sense to have a no lynch right after a the confirmed scum lynches instead of trying to guess to give us better odds? | ||
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On December 17 2011 02:56 Toadesstern wrote: I don't know, if you want to risk that for better odds. We could have a joat or a vig to screw with that plan :p mass wifom incomming :p Na you would of used them earlier and QQ'd less about imbalance | ||
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On December 17 2011 03:30 Toadesstern wrote: it's a trap! Somehow I doubt it | ||
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On December 17 2011 07:04 VisceraEyes wrote: That would equate to playing against my win-condition Vader. For shame. I think you already did that lol | ||
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On December 17 2011 07:13 vaderseven wrote: Sweet. I actually get a 100% success if I use my ability now. Finally. Shame you will probably be the kill for them tonight >.> NOW PROCEED WITH WIFOM SCUM. WILL HE VET OR NOT!!! | ||
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On December 17 2011 07:16 vaderseven wrote: LoL its not like I havent posted my ability list in this thread. =) His full list of abilities - Vet Medic Night vig Day Vig Mad hatter Detective Tracker The Mad Monk of Caller from Switzerland Watcher Roleblocker Mason Cult leader | ||
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On December 17 2011 08:52 Toadesstern wrote: Now that VE is dead you guys have to try and hit the 6th member or you lose! Not for another two days -.- | ||
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Mafia kill - 4 people No lynch - 4 people Mafia kill - 3 people Looking at it vader or Kingjames will be the ones to die to the scum shots due to being power roles leaving us with - Myself Jackal Hyshes I am leaning on hyshes being scum but I am not sure about jackal at all -.- | ||
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On December 18 2011 04:23 kingjames01 wrote: They can try to hit me, but I actually took a big risk yesterday and didn't put on a vest... hehe. =) They need to hit you regardless you are confirmed town and having you in lylo = loss same for V7 | ||
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GG I fucked up this game sorry to everyone involved. | ||
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On December 19 2011 06:51 prplhz wrote: Also, yea Drazerk you need a break from mafia I think You had a god damn mental break down this game. Totally contrary to how you played in XLVII which I enjoyed a lot Yeah this is my last game for a long while lol | ||
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Moral of the story: Never Vote Palmar | ||
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On December 19 2011 07:20 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't understand, what blunder did you commit day 1 that forced you to make a ludicrous fake claim? My entire day 1 was a blunder | ||
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