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On December 04 2011 23:53 Refallen wrote: Not a smurf; I lurk TL while watching SC2, discovered this forum, and enjoyed reading through TL Mafia XLVII!
this is a lie... noone enjoyed reading through mafia XLVII
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On December 05 2011 00:40 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 23:53 Refallen wrote: Not a smurf; I lurk TL while watching SC2, discovered this forum, and enjoyed reading through TL Mafia XLVII! this is a lie... noone enjoyed reading through mafia XLVII
Scum did
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haha ok, I skipped past most of the trashtalk but it was really interesting to see who was scum in the end and what the roles did.
(I really thought palmar was scum that game haha)
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On December 04 2011 19:38 Palmar wrote: What I'm more interested in is that 6/25 seems like an oddly high number of mafia for a normal setup. Do you think this is offset by lower mafia KP or multiple town power roles?
it was 5/20 before he extended it (1 red = 3 town) and then he made it 6/25 (1 red for 4 town) due to the demand. so the game was even more red heavy before this. so either the red team is stacked weak with noobs or there are a lot of blues
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On December 04 2011 21:15 Radfield wrote: Other than starting discussion, I think RNG has very little value.
yeah...
RNG: 2
##Vote prplhz
wat
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Radfield
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On December 05 2011 00:39 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 00:25 Radfield wrote:On December 05 2011 00:20 Drazerk wrote: Sigh I hate zodiac lists they let players such as myself skate by too easily -.-
Also radfield is it really needed to establish a throw away vote so early on? Who said it was a throw away vote? Prplhz belongs to the class of players who have the potential to be strong players, yet are not well known enough to draw medic protection or dt investigations. I'm genuinely interested in his response and Day 1 contributions. I dislike randomly voting people at the start of day to spark discussion as it just allows the person to do a blind omgus rather than focusing on everyone. Your not going to stick with Prplhz throughout the entire day at any rate and if you do you will just be tunnelling him which has too many drawbacks.
If prp wants to blind OMGUS me then I'll be highly disappointed. I can also assure you I will not tunnel someone on Day 1
On December 04 2011 19:08 Drazerk wrote: /confirm however I am going to be out all day ill be around in 9 hours
Plans change?
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On December 05 2011 00:51 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 00:39 Drazerk wrote:On December 05 2011 00:25 Radfield wrote:On December 05 2011 00:20 Drazerk wrote: Sigh I hate zodiac lists they let players such as myself skate by too easily -.-
Also radfield is it really needed to establish a throw away vote so early on? Who said it was a throw away vote? Prplhz belongs to the class of players who have the potential to be strong players, yet are not well known enough to draw medic protection or dt investigations. I'm genuinely interested in his response and Day 1 contributions. I dislike randomly voting people at the start of day to spark discussion as it just allows the person to do a blind omgus rather than focusing on everyone. Your not going to stick with Prplhz throughout the entire day at any rate and if you do you will just be tunnelling him which has too many drawbacks. If prp wants to blind OMGUS me then I'll be highly disappointed. I can also assure you I will not tunnel someone on Day 1 Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 19:08 Drazerk wrote: /confirm however I am going to be out all day ill be around in 9 hours Plans change?
Yeah got home earlier than expected
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On December 05 2011 00:21 Radfield wrote: but it was a way to organize blue roles like detectives and medics by directing them either into or away from the zodiac list.
this is retarded as fuck
nobody direct power roles into any list.
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I don't like the idea of using a zodiac list. I feel like it can be used by the mafia to get townies to hang other townies.
I don't think we should lynch anyone on day 1, personally. I know mafia get kills at night, but blues also have powerful abilities at night.
People are saying 6/25 is high, but it is probably offset by the town having powerful blues or quite a few blues.
Also, I've been out of the TL mafia loop for awhile, so if it comes to day 1 lynching, I'll be completely worthless as I can't read any of you at all.
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On December 05 2011 00:31 Jackal58 wrote: Using those rankings you determine who the scum team is by who is getting night killed. Strong players on the list should be dead by day 3 or so. If they're not they're scum.
yeah and this is the logical conclusion to draw from what a list like that does and this is similarly horrible
if the hosts didnt fuck up id have been alive day 3 in 47 and i am a strong player. you know they have medics in games right?
also if red knows youre gonna lynch people for being alive and being skilled then it becomes a wifom circle "did they leave him alive on purpose so we lynch him and hes a green?" or "is he a red" etc
there is no point
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On December 05 2011 00:39 Drazerk wrote: I dislike randomly voting people at the start of day to spark discussion as it just allows the person to do a blind omgus rather than focusing on everyone.
pressuring someone = they give information up and/or red team comes to defend them = good for us
random voting with intent to rescind vote = fine for this purpose.
random voting period = horrible
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On December 05 2011 00:44 annul wrote: so either the red team is stacked weak with noobs or there are a lot of blues
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On December 05 2011 00:57 TruthBringer wrote: People are saying 6/25 is high, but it is probably offset by the town having powerful blues or quite a few blues.
why thank you sir for parroting <3
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On December 05 2011 00:40 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 23:53 Refallen wrote: Not a smurf; I lurk TL while watching SC2, discovered this forum, and enjoyed reading through TL Mafia XLVII! this is a lie... noone enjoyed reading through mafia XLVII
I BET YOU DID HUH SCUM MATTCHEW?? (no, I'm still not over that)
either way, if 6/25 is high, did anybody consider the possibility of two mafia teams? Wouldn't it be a away to balance roles?
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Yeah I enjoyed that game so much that me and Vader pushed for a draw.
Also /confirm and /afk I will be in a train for 6 hours with no internet until I get home
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Radfield
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On December 05 2011 00:55 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 00:21 Radfield wrote: but it was a way to organize blue roles like detectives and medics by directing them either into or away from the zodiac list.
this is retarded as fuck nobody direct power roles into any list.
Settle down annul. No need for hyper-aggression.
What I actually wrote about the zodiac lists:
Technically I'm misusing the term here. All I am really talking about is a list of players who playstyles I am familiar with, and who I am going to be keeping a close eye on.
No one is talking about organizing blues.
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i read what YOU said about it ("technically i am misusing the word" etc)
i am saying funneling blues into some list is retarded.
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"Zodiac" lists are fine as a guideline for medics, especially in a game with newer players or players who are otherwise unsure as to who is a likely n1 target. Even if they decide against following it, it will discourage mafia from shooting into it. Given the recent success rate of TL medics, I think the main early game function of medics is to discourage mafia from being overly bold with their shots rather than to actually save someone.
A strong player surviving until day 3 is just one of the things that should be taken into account when determining his alignment. It doesn't automatically make him scum, but rather is something that depends on other circumstances; ie. who else has died and such.
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""Zodiac" lists are fine as a guideline for medics"
no theyre not. in fact...
"Given the recent success rate of TL medics"
in 47 medics were ridiculously on target and that game was a massive clusterfuck AND they didn't heal into some list. the lists have absolutely no purpose. if a medic wants to heal into someone that would otherwise be on the list then they will do this regardless, and it is better not to give info like this to the reds.
"A strong player surviving until day 3 is just one of the things that should be taken into account when determining his alignment."
no lol. see: previous paragraph
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Radfield
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On December 05 2011 00:57 TruthBringer wrote: I don't like the idea of using a zodiac list. I feel like it can be used by the mafia to get townies to hang other townies.
I don't think we should lynch anyone on day 1, personally. I know mafia get kills at night, but blues also have powerful abilities at night.
People are saying 6/25 is high, but it is probably offset by the town having powerful blues or quite a few blues.
Also, I've been out of the TL mafia loop for awhile, so if it comes to day 1 lynching, I'll be completely worthless as I can't read any of you at all.
If we end up no-lynching today, that is ok(although non-optimal). Keep in mind our Day 1 goals:
1. Create a positive atmosphere. Clarity, no arguing, etc.
2. Get everyone's votes and thoughts down on paper. Force scum to bullshit about who they want to lynch and why.
3. Establish baselines of activity for players for use in future days.
Again, a no-lynch is not the end of the world, but we don't want to enter the day with a mindset of no-lynching. We want to enter the day planning to find scummy players, and gather a majority.
You don't need to be able to 'read' anyone. Support people making sense, lynch people who are playing poorly. Past experience with players is useful, but not essential by any means. Even if you don't think you can find scum, contribute and make sure you don't get mistaken for one(assuming you are town).
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I'm not really interested in debating this topic with you as my own opinion is very unlikely to change and I'm also quite against the notion of "wifom". The only medic in 47 that was "ridiculously on target" was sandroba and that is to be expected.
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