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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 21 2011 16:28 GMT
#41
also isn't it gonna be a problem with activity, some people are more active than others like choosing foolishness for your team it's hit and miss if he even wants to play
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
November 21 2011 17:19 GMT
#42
Alright, so this was a fun experiment.

It started out with me thinking, Fantasy Starcraft.....Huh. Fantasy Mafia would be funny. I'm going to make up a Fantasy mafia thread, just to troll people. So I did. I was hesitant to post this at first cause thought, "Yes, it's a troll, but I KNOW people will try to get me to do it anyways, and I don't have time". That was almost exactly what happened oddly enough. However, what I realized while reading up on all the replies, is that while I think the fundamental idea of a Fantasy Mafia league is flawed (for reasons I'll try to detail later), I think that some sort of mini-game/betting pool would be an excellent idea. I don't play too often because I don't have time, but I still like to read up occasionally, and I miss Mafia when I don't play it. I have a feeling that several of the older players have similar feelings.

The problem with Mafia fantasy league as I presented it is that it's a team game. Individual people aren't responsible for an entire win. Someone could lurk all games as town, while two people carry the team to victory. Should they be awarded the same number of points? No. So how do you go about points then? Without an extremely complicated system, you'll never be able to give people the credit they deserve with. How would you score the awesome associated with a Professor Badass picture, or getting lynched when you've played quite well for town? The only way to figure these things out is with some sort of point system like Ver used at the end of PYP Insane (I think?). And the problem with that is that it necessarily includes the bias of the person who is judging.

In short, Mafia is much more complicated than something like Proleague, because it's not just about the win.

"But look at the reception!" you say. Yes. That got me thinking. There's a reason why this sounds appealing: Many of us don't have time to play all the time, but want to remain active in some way that doesn't take hours of analyzing. Because of this, I think I'm going to create an Observer's League (name pending).

This is a fresh idea in my mind, so I'd love input, but here's the basic idea: The prospect of betting on play and players is exciting for me. (more than just me, as this isn't an original idea). It's a way to stay involved with Mafia when you don't have time to play. I don't know if it can exist in a highly ordered form like Fantasy Proleague, but it can certainly be something more simply, like betting on the number of pages the thread will have at the end of each day/night. It would co-exist with the type of round table discussion that we had a few months ago.

The betting/predictions would need to be kept somewhere secret for the duration of the game (i.e., quicktopic), and the results published afterwards. Obviously, no one in the game would be allowed to be involved, and the same rules that apply to observers would apply here. (No leaking info on bets to players and such).

So. What do you think of that idea? What sorts of things should be bet on? What information should the observers be given? (Should they know who the scum team is?)

Total number of pages at the end of the game
Total number of pages on a player's filter at the end of the game
Town/Mafia victory
Specific player getting misslynched
Specific player getting modkilled
Number of players modkilled
etc.

Should there be general categories that everyone votes on, or should it be free form, where people can make any bet they want? A hybrid?
I'm currently on an indefinite hiatus from TL =(
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 21 2011 17:45 GMT
#43
Just letting any perspective bettors know that I'm certainly not oppossed to match fixing.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 17:52:42
November 21 2011 17:50 GMT
#44
On November 22 2011 02:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Just letting any perspective bettors know that I'm certainly not oppossed to match fixing.

You uttered the two words which must be avoided! Woe is you, for here comes the pitchfork waving mob! How dare you speak of match fixing!

##Lynch: Kitaman27
Moderator
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 17:58:19
November 21 2011 17:56 GMT
#45
So where's the mob?
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
TheFerryman
Profile Joined August 2011
United States39 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 17:57:21
November 21 2011 17:57 GMT
#46
On November 22 2011 02:56 Hesmyrr wrote:
So where's the mob?

We are here!
"Don't pay the ferryman, until he gets you to the other side"
BayonnetAnderson
Profile Joined August 2011
United States60 Posts
November 21 2011 17:58 GMT
#47
I brought the torches and pitchforks!

Purge the heretic! Kill the mutant! Smite the matchfixer!
AMEN!
"Ashes to ashes, dust to dust."
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 18:11:22
November 21 2011 17:59 GMT
#48
Edit: GMarshal and his botnet army -.-
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
NotChezinu
Profile Joined September 2011
Zimbabwe61 Posts
November 21 2011 18:00 GMT
#49
On November 22 2011 02:58 BayonnetAnderson wrote:
I brought the torches and pitchforks!

Mr.Fluffles brought his pitchfork too!
I am not Chezinu. Really. I am no role and all roles at once. Scum and Town. My alignment is unobserved.
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
November 21 2011 18:07 GMT
#50
GM just made me smile ^.^
MrFluffles
Profile Joined October 2011
Belgium1 Post
November 21 2011 18:13 GMT
#51
*Meow*

/wave tiny pitchfork
NotChezinu
Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
November 21 2011 18:31 GMT
#52
Woo! I just won my first bet! GM reached his 8th smurf by the end of the week!
I'm currently on an indefinite hiatus from TL =(
Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
November 21 2011 18:45 GMT
#53
On November 22 2011 02:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Just letting any perspective bettors know that I'm certainly not oppossed to match fixing.


Lol, how would you be able to fix a match. There's only one winning bet: Kitaman fails day 1. Kitaman fails day 2... Unless you have some ability to do, you know, good in a game, there's not much you can do to "fix" the game.

=D
I'm currently on an indefinite hiatus from TL =(
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
November 21 2011 21:05 GMT
#54
On November 22 2011 03:45 Kavdragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 02:45 kitaman27 wrote:
Just letting any perspective bettors know that I'm certainly not oppossed to match fixing.


Lol, how would you be able to fix a match. There's only one winning bet: Kitaman fails day 1. Kitaman fails day 2... Unless you have some ability to do, you know, good in a game, there's not much you can do to "fix" the game.

=D

Match fixing is easy if you, say, fill more than 50% of the player roster with smurfs.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
November 21 2011 22:16 GMT
#55
put yourself on the anti team and throw games.
#1 method to success
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
November 21 2011 22:21 GMT
#56
On November 21 2011 23:59 Erandorr wrote:
What about the MVP vote. Anyone else like that?

Happy Birthday Radfield!


On November 22 2011 00:10 kitaman27 wrote:
Happy Birthday Radfield!



On November 22 2011 00:15 GMarshal wrote:
Happy Birthday Radfield!

This calls for a celebratory nuke

##Nuke: Radfield



On November 22 2011 00:16 Palmar wrote:
Radfield and RoL share a birthday...

This is super suspicious.

♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫



Thanks Guys!! I love my TL birthday because it's always so unexpected!

...and yes, me and RoL were born on the same day, though 5 years apart
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
November 21 2011 22:34 GMT
#57
Happy Birthday, Radfield!!! (And RoL :p)
you gotta dance
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
November 21 2011 23:34 GMT
#58
On November 21 2011 23:42 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 23:32 GMarshal wrote:
On November 21 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:
On November 21 2011 23:19 GMarshal wrote:
Yeah, I dislike this idea, espcailly since things like wins or losses are pretty much out of a players control.


You say that, but I've played 20 games now on TL mafia, and I've lost 6 times. Every single time it's been my own damn fault, and I've had a great deal of influence in every win. (except caller's game).

Counter evidence:

PTP: 1
Foolishness in XLIV.
WaW mafia (everyone who tried to play that seriously ;_;)
Cosmic Horror Mafia (peg 2/3 mafia, town goes MIA, scum win)
SNMMVI: anyone who tried

Sometimes it doesn't matter how well you play, because mafia is a *team* game.

XLIV: That was foolishness's own damn fault. I figured out the entire scumteam that game, I pushed mafia day 1. Did that help? No of course not. Foolishness didn't get his read across, which means it's his own damn fault. Stop making up excuses for people not being able to argue their opinions.

Really dude?
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
November 21 2011 23:59 GMT
#59
On November 22 2011 08:34 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 23:42 Palmar wrote:
On November 21 2011 23:32 GMarshal wrote:
On November 21 2011 23:29 Palmar wrote:
On November 21 2011 23:19 GMarshal wrote:
Yeah, I dislike this idea, espcailly since things like wins or losses are pretty much out of a players control.


You say that, but I've played 20 games now on TL mafia, and I've lost 6 times. Every single time it's been my own damn fault, and I've had a great deal of influence in every win. (except caller's game).

Counter evidence:

PTP: 1
Foolishness in XLIV.
WaW mafia (everyone who tried to play that seriously ;_;)
Cosmic Horror Mafia (peg 2/3 mafia, town goes MIA, scum win)
SNMMVI: anyone who tried

Sometimes it doesn't matter how well you play, because mafia is a *team* game.

XLIV: That was foolishness's own damn fault. I figured out the entire scumteam that game, I pushed mafia day 1. Did that help? No of course not. Foolishness didn't get his read across, which means it's his own damn fault. Stop making up excuses for people not being able to argue their opinions.

Really dude?


I hope I didn't come across as blaming you for the loss any more than myself. I actually firmly believe that I was the primary reason town lost that game. I was disruptive, annoying and despite my reads being solid I couldn't get town to act on them.

But yes, in general, it's always your own fault. You had great reads that game, better than mine, but that's completely useless if you can't convince town on them. Even if town is retarded, then it's your responsibility to use retard-proof-logic to get them on your side.

I failed miserably at that. You had slightly more success, but ultimately not enough was done, and town lost.

I refer to my earlier rants in the miscellaneous mafia thread (just filter me) if you want perspective on this view of mine.

I disagree with Ace that "sometimes you just can't carry bad towns", because for every retarded town that doesn't accept logic and fails, there's scum somewhere who is pushing terrible logic and convincing town with it. It's similar to poker. You can't apply high level play to a bunch of terrible newbies, you have to adapt.


Computer says mafia
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
November 22 2011 00:36 GMT
#60
/in
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