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vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
November 30 2011 02:26 GMT
#3641
Where check this post, is that the right quote yiou used cuz Im confused.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&currentpage=182#3636
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 30 2011 02:26 GMT
#3642
On November 30 2011 11:23 GreYMisT wrote:
Can all the people voting players with only 1 vote decide between the top canidates please? unless you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that your target is mafia, they probally are not getting lynched today.


Wasn't going to say anything until right before post time about this but...

A look needs to be taken at people who have a vote on zeks/Palmar and then a vote on a random who isn't going to be lynched.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
November 30 2011 02:28 GMT
#3643
On November 30 2011 11:26 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 11:23 GreYMisT wrote:
Can all the people voting players with only 1 vote decide between the top canidates please? unless you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that your target is mafia, they probally are not getting lynched today.


Wasn't going to say anything until right before post time about this but...

A look needs to be taken at people who have a vote on zeks/Palmar and then a vote on a random who isn't going to be lynched.


Well thats why I just spent like the last 3 hours looking through players trying to find who besides zeks I could behind lynching.

I know for a fact not every player is going to do that so I doubt that will be a strong tell except for the players posting at least as much as you are.

Just keep that in mind.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 30 2011 02:29 GMT
#3644
yeah vader that's the right quote. I was mostly responding specifically to this part:

For fucks sake. He is near being offed like I am and rather than posting near the end trying to help anyone he martyred himself and fucking left the thread? Thats townlike?


So again BC, you have not satisfactorily answered why it makes sense for someone to claim vanilla/miller in defense of there possibly being a red check on them, but then later turn around and claim vig.

You cannot be both miller and vig at the same time. So then either Zeks doesn't know that, or Zeks was lying about being one or the other.

Which one is it?
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
November 30 2011 02:29 GMT
#3645
On November 30 2011 11:24 vaderseven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 11:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 30 2011 11:17 vaderseven wrote:
However you ignore the people posting fucking blatantly in your face red. The cases on the others are trash. I offer you analysis and push a target. Yes I latch on and don't let go, thats how you play.


You are the one that came off as blantat almost like to perfect to be true. Thats why I decided I had to vote for you over others.

Latching on and not letting go is not good play. You state that like it is.

Tunneling in and then allowing your thoughts to progress is fine, thats what alot of people do.

Choosing someone day 1 and then not letting go... especially when he has what is possibly the strongest role in the game is just BAD play that you can hide behind.


.....ROLE DOES NOT = ALIGNMENT.


JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. IF HE IS RED THEN THE MAFIA HAS IT.

I have analyzed him and proven why I believe he is red. His role does not make him town. For fucks sake. He is near being offed like I am and rather than posting near the end trying to help anyone he martyred himself and fucking left the thread? Thats townlike?


Jesus, roles do not win fucking mafia games, players do.


No his role doesnt mean he is town. But it does mean you shouldn't be trying to prove he is scum no matter what and thats what you have done this game.

In fact, the only players I could see wanting to do that ARE THE SCUM because they can't night kill him till some Bodyguard(s?) are killed. Add to that the power of his role and you can see why I might see a very mafia motive behind your weird play.



If he doesn't want me analyzing him then maybe he shouldnt be so scumlike? Maybe thats because hes scum? I have a clear read that is he red, why the hell would I drop that. It is not townlike to drop a read because everyone says you are wrong. It is clearly a bad move when most of the people telling you it are acting shifty, are new, or are downright using terrible arguments. As for how bodyguards work. You have no idea how many there are and as such have no idea how a scum would react with that information. Everyone would act differently. I can already say if I was red the night 1 shots would have been drastically different. You will have to take my word on that thought but as you think I am red you won't believe me.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
November 30 2011 02:30 GMT
#3646
A reminder that voting ends in a half hour. Votes after that will be disregarded.
you gotta dance
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 30 2011 02:32 GMT
#3647
On November 30 2011 11:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 11:24 vaderseven wrote:
On November 30 2011 11:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 30 2011 11:17 vaderseven wrote:
However you ignore the people posting fucking blatantly in your face red. The cases on the others are trash. I offer you analysis and push a target. Yes I latch on and don't let go, thats how you play.


You are the one that came off as blantat almost like to perfect to be true. Thats why I decided I had to vote for you over others.

Latching on and not letting go is not good play. You state that like it is.

Tunneling in and then allowing your thoughts to progress is fine, thats what alot of people do.

Choosing someone day 1 and then not letting go... especially when he has what is possibly the strongest role in the game is just BAD play that you can hide behind.


.....ROLE DOES NOT = ALIGNMENT.


JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. IF HE IS RED THEN THE MAFIA HAS IT.

I have analyzed him and proven why I believe he is red. His role does not make him town. For fucks sake. He is near being offed like I am and rather than posting near the end trying to help anyone he martyred himself and fucking left the thread? Thats townlike?


Jesus, roles do not win fucking mafia games, players do.


No his role doesnt mean he is town. But it does mean you shouldn't be trying to prove he is scum no matter what and thats what you have done this game.

In fact, the only players I could see wanting to do that ARE THE SCUM because they can't night kill him till some Bodyguard(s?) are killed. Add to that the power of his role and you can see why I might see a very mafia motive behind your weird play.



If he doesn't want me analyzing him then maybe he shouldnt be so scumlike? Maybe thats because hes scum? I have a clear read that is he red, why the hell would I drop that. It is not townlike to drop a read because everyone says you are wrong. It is clearly a bad move when most of the people telling you it are acting shifty, are new, or are downright using terrible arguments. As for how bodyguards work. You have no idea how many there are and as such have no idea how a scum would react with that information. Everyone would act differently. I can already say if I was red the night 1 shots would have been drastically different. You will have to take my word on that thought but as you think I am red you won't believe me.


really? WIFOM here and it's hard to see how the night shots could've gone much more differently.

Other than sandro, bum, Coag and decon almost all the vets got shot n1.

You're saying you would've shot those players over some of those who actually got shot?
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
November 30 2011 02:32 GMT
#3648
Just caught up here; and why the fuck is Palmar sacrificing his own ass? If it's to stop people from accusing him more, I don't like it because "giving up" like that is fucked up town behavior; and suggests he's giving up on people's logic in this game. And frankly, I agree with him that this town is derping around like a brainless zombie. Risen OMGUSing everyone who pushes him, annul getting away with edits, and town swinging around vote targets like bleating sheep when Palmar could be seriously pushing this town to work. However why in the hell would BC be defending zeks so hard for the fucked up claim, and pressuring Palmar so he gets lynched? Palmar may have failed, but damned if he's gonna get lynched today because I'm giving him one more chance. Let me see who I want to switch my vote to so it matters, because Risen isn't going to get lynched today based on the vote-count.
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vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
November 30 2011 02:33 GMT
#3649
OHHH i get it thanks.

There is no way I will buy that zeks was under some weird notion that random people are millers on top of other roles. Is that really a valid reasoning?

I actually have another issue with his miller claim.

He hints that he thinks he was scanned but wont say who. He then is like ya I COULD ALWAYS BE A MILLER.


I might've been DT checked last night and returned scum/guilty (I won't say by who).

consider your sanity / or the possibility I'm Miller!


Its like he let this fake soft claim out early in the day to check to see if any DTs would bite and then when forced to claim at my request later on he claims Vigi.

Its just so scummy.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
November 30 2011 02:33 GMT
#3650
On November 30 2011 11:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
yeah vader that's the right quote. I was mostly responding specifically to this part:

Show nested quote +
For fucks sake. He is near being offed like I am and rather than posting near the end trying to help anyone he martyred himself and fucking left the thread? Thats townlike?


So again BC, you have not satisfactorily answered why it makes sense for someone to claim vanilla/miller in defense of there possibly being a red check on them, but then later turn around and claim vig.

You cannot be both miller and vig at the same time. So then either Zeks doesn't know that, or Zeks was lying about being one or the other.

Which one is it?


Here is a question for you.

You have a blue role but do not want to share it as if you do you will most likely be shot during the night.

You know that the game has two investigative mechanics, one is a rolecop and one is a dt that could be one of 4 sanities. No one in their right mind would push your lynch based off your role so you figure that no one is dumb enough to push purely off clues. As no one should be. You then figure someone must be pushing you because they got a red check back on a dt check.

Do you instantly claim your blue role or give a potential reason to clear you to that dt via them not knowing their sanity by providing reasons? What he did is not unreasonable. IF he is dt and we let him live he dies tonight most likely, or is forced to shoot because he might die. If we lynch he doesn't shoot.

His play is not terrible here, you are just looking for a reason to lynch him.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 30 2011 02:33 GMT
#3651
Wiggles can we get another tally? Do you have the program that tallies that?
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 30 2011 02:33 GMT
#3652
EBWOP: Derp, you posted it in the voting thread.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 30 2011 02:33 GMT
#3653
Ciryandor, why is Risen scummy?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
November 30 2011 02:34 GMT
#3654
On November 30 2011 11:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 11:24 vaderseven wrote:
On November 30 2011 11:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 30 2011 11:17 vaderseven wrote:
However you ignore the people posting fucking blatantly in your face red. The cases on the others are trash. I offer you analysis and push a target. Yes I latch on and don't let go, thats how you play.


You are the one that came off as blantat almost like to perfect to be true. Thats why I decided I had to vote for you over others.

Latching on and not letting go is not good play. You state that like it is.

Tunneling in and then allowing your thoughts to progress is fine, thats what alot of people do.

Choosing someone day 1 and then not letting go... especially when he has what is possibly the strongest role in the game is just BAD play that you can hide behind.


.....ROLE DOES NOT = ALIGNMENT.


JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. IF HE IS RED THEN THE MAFIA HAS IT.

I have analyzed him and proven why I believe he is red. His role does not make him town. For fucks sake. He is near being offed like I am and rather than posting near the end trying to help anyone he martyred himself and fucking left the thread? Thats townlike?


Jesus, roles do not win fucking mafia games, players do.


No his role doesnt mean he is town. But it does mean you shouldn't be trying to prove he is scum no matter what and thats what you have done this game.

In fact, the only players I could see wanting to do that ARE THE SCUM because they can't night kill him till some Bodyguard(s?) are killed. Add to that the power of his role and you can see why I might see a very mafia motive behind your weird play.



If he doesn't want me analyzing him then maybe he shouldnt be so scumlike? Maybe thats because hes scum? I have a clear read that is he red, why the hell would I drop that. It is not townlike to drop a read because everyone says you are wrong. It is clearly a bad move when most of the people telling you it are acting shifty, are new, or are downright using terrible arguments. As for how bodyguards work. You have no idea how many there are and as such have no idea how a scum would react with that information. Everyone would act differently. I can already say if I was red the night 1 shots would have been drastically different. You will have to take my word on that thought but as you think I am red you won't believe me.


lol I was talking about BC's looking at Palmer and saying SCUM SCUM SCUM over and over. Wasn't talking bout you.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 30 2011 02:35 GMT
#3655
On November 30 2011 11:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 11:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
yeah vader that's the right quote. I was mostly responding specifically to this part:

For fucks sake. He is near being offed like I am and rather than posting near the end trying to help anyone he martyred himself and fucking left the thread? Thats townlike?


So again BC, you have not satisfactorily answered why it makes sense for someone to claim vanilla/miller in defense of there possibly being a red check on them, but then later turn around and claim vig.

You cannot be both miller and vig at the same time. So then either Zeks doesn't know that, or Zeks was lying about being one or the other.

Which one is it?


Here is a question for you.

You have a blue role but do not want to share it as if you do you will most likely be shot during the night.

You know that the game has two investigative mechanics, one is a rolecop and one is a dt that could be one of 4 sanities. No one in their right mind would push your lynch based off your role so you figure that no one is dumb enough to push purely off clues. As no one should be. You then figure someone must be pushing you because they got a red check back on a dt check.

Do you instantly claim your blue role or give a potential reason to clear you to that dt via them not knowing their sanity by providing reasons? What he did is not unreasonable. IF he is dt and we let him live he dies tonight most likely, or is forced to shoot because he might die. If we lynch he doesn't shoot.

His play is not terrible here, you are just looking for a reason to lynch him.


This question is stupid, seeing as I would never in a million years even hint that I am miller if I am not vanilla town.

No, I would not blue claim, but I certainly wouldn't mention being a miller as a fucking possibility.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 30 2011 02:35 GMT
#3656
As it stands I'm almost certain that Soap is scum.

He made his vote when it still looked like I was the mafia's punching bag and then not only didn't justify it, but disappeared.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
November 30 2011 02:35 GMT
#3657
On November 30 2011 11:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 11:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
yeah vader that's the right quote. I was mostly responding specifically to this part:

For fucks sake. He is near being offed like I am and rather than posting near the end trying to help anyone he martyred himself and fucking left the thread? Thats townlike?


So again BC, you have not satisfactorily answered why it makes sense for someone to claim vanilla/miller in defense of there possibly being a red check on them, but then later turn around and claim vig.

You cannot be both miller and vig at the same time. So then either Zeks doesn't know that, or Zeks was lying about being one or the other.

Which one is it?


Here is a question for you.

You have a blue role but do not want to share it as if you do you will most likely be shot during the night.

You know that the game has two investigative mechanics, one is a rolecop and one is a dt that could be one of 4 sanities. No one in their right mind would push your lynch based off your role so you figure that no one is dumb enough to push purely off clues. As no one should be. You then figure someone must be pushing you because they got a red check back on a dt check.

Do you instantly claim your blue role or give a potential reason to clear you to that dt via them not knowing their sanity by providing reasons? What he did is not unreasonable. IF he is dt and we let him live he dies tonight most likely, or is forced to shoot because he might die. If we lynch he doesn't shoot.

His play is not terrible here, you are just looking for a reason to lynch him.


He wasnt asked to claim at that point lol. It was SUPER early in the day and people were talking about clues and hes like HEY I MIGHT BE MILLER.

*Lays low till votes on him are high*

*I say hey pls claim you are going to die*

OH YA IM A VIGI

Thats not town play.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 30 2011 02:36 GMT
#3658
EBWOP: The same applies to Ciryandor.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
November 30 2011 02:36 GMT
#3659
On November 30 2011 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 11:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 30 2011 11:24 vaderseven wrote:
On November 30 2011 11:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 30 2011 11:17 vaderseven wrote:
However you ignore the people posting fucking blatantly in your face red. The cases on the others are trash. I offer you analysis and push a target. Yes I latch on and don't let go, thats how you play.


You are the one that came off as blantat almost like to perfect to be true. Thats why I decided I had to vote for you over others.

Latching on and not letting go is not good play. You state that like it is.

Tunneling in and then allowing your thoughts to progress is fine, thats what alot of people do.

Choosing someone day 1 and then not letting go... especially when he has what is possibly the strongest role in the game is just BAD play that you can hide behind.


.....ROLE DOES NOT = ALIGNMENT.


JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. IF HE IS RED THEN THE MAFIA HAS IT.

I have analyzed him and proven why I believe he is red. His role does not make him town. For fucks sake. He is near being offed like I am and rather than posting near the end trying to help anyone he martyred himself and fucking left the thread? Thats townlike?


Jesus, roles do not win fucking mafia games, players do.


No his role doesnt mean he is town. But it does mean you shouldn't be trying to prove he is scum no matter what and thats what you have done this game.

In fact, the only players I could see wanting to do that ARE THE SCUM because they can't night kill him till some Bodyguard(s?) are killed. Add to that the power of his role and you can see why I might see a very mafia motive behind your weird play.



If he doesn't want me analyzing him then maybe he shouldnt be so scumlike? Maybe thats because hes scum? I have a clear read that is he red, why the hell would I drop that. It is not townlike to drop a read because everyone says you are wrong. It is clearly a bad move when most of the people telling you it are acting shifty, are new, or are downright using terrible arguments. As for how bodyguards work. You have no idea how many there are and as such have no idea how a scum would react with that information. Everyone would act differently. I can already say if I was red the night 1 shots would have been drastically different. You will have to take my word on that thought but as you think I am red you won't believe me.


really? WIFOM here and it's hard to see how the night shots could've gone much more differently.

Other than sandro, bum, Coag and decon almost all the vets got shot n1.

You're saying you would've shot those players over some of those who actually got shot?


I am saying my hitlist would have been drastically different because I have more information by being sheriff than you do. Simple fact. Palmar has the same information but near no mafia would trade their elected role for the mass havoc that could have been wreaked. Trust me when I say as red I would be currently being lynched and ace would have been championing the cause. I would also be lulsing through the thread like a total faggot.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
November 30 2011 02:37 GMT
#3660
The key is that Zek's wasn't under vote pressure to claim at all. He had a clue pointing at him and he responds by softclaiming a role that he is not.

His lie didn't just help protect his real role, it was clearly designed to mislead.
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