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On November 30 2011 11:35 vaderseven wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 11:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 30 2011 11:29 wherebugsgo wrote:yeah vader that's the right quote. I was mostly responding specifically to this part: For fucks sake. He is near being offed like I am and rather than posting near the end trying to help anyone he martyred himself and fucking left the thread? Thats townlike? So again BC, you have not satisfactorily answered why it makes sense for someone to claim vanilla/miller in defense of there possibly being a red check on them, but then later turn around and claim vig. You cannot be both miller and vig at the same time. So then either Zeks doesn't know that, or Zeks was lying about being one or the other. Which one is it? Here is a question for you. You have a blue role but do not want to share it as if you do you will most likely be shot during the night. You know that the game has two investigative mechanics, one is a rolecop and one is a dt that could be one of 4 sanities. No one in their right mind would push your lynch based off your role so you figure that no one is dumb enough to push purely off clues. As no one should be. You then figure someone must be pushing you because they got a red check back on a dt check. Do you instantly claim your blue role or give a potential reason to clear you to that dt via them not knowing their sanity by providing reasons? What he did is not unreasonable. IF he is dt and we let him live he dies tonight most likely, or is forced to shoot because he might die. If we lynch he doesn't shoot. His play is not terrible here, you are just looking for a reason to lynch him. He wasnt asked to claim at that point lol. It was SUPER early in the day and people were talking about clues and hes like HEY I MIGHT BE MILLER. *Lays low till votes on him are high* *I say hey pls claim you are going to die* OH YA IM A VIGI Thats not town play.
Actually it is. All the early sheeping of votes on him were due from terrible clue analysis. He put forth the idea a dt checked him, and thus options of why the dt could be wrong. Revealing your role if your blue is not optimal if you have not been able to use it yet, or the benefit of you revealing it is not greater than the cons. His claim later is the only thing that could save his life. Hiding ones role till it is required to reveal is not inherently scummy its downright intelligent play.
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So your defense that you arent scum is that as scum you would be a total faggot?
You know you are in danger of DIEING in less than 30 mins right?
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On November 30 2011 11:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I am saying my hitlist would have been drastically different because I have more information by being sheriff than you do. Simple fact. Palmar has the same information but near no mafia would trade their elected role for the mass havoc that could have been wreaked. Trust me when I say as red I would be currently being lynched and ace would have been championing the cause. I would also be lulsing through the thread like a total faggot.
Above was in relation to this. Please read this and respond:
The key is that Zek's wasn't under vote pressure to claim at all. He had a clue pointing at him and he responds by softclaiming a role that he is not.
His lie didn't just help protect his real role, it was clearly designed to mislead.
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On November 30 2011 11:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 30 2011 11:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 30 2011 11:24 vaderseven wrote:On November 30 2011 11:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 30 2011 11:17 vaderseven wrote:However you ignore the people posting fucking blatantly in your face red. The cases on the others are trash. I offer you analysis and push a target. Yes I latch on and don't let go, thats how you play. You are the one that came off as blantat almost like to perfect to be true. Thats why I decided I had to vote for you over others. Latching on and not letting go is not good play. You state that like it is. Tunneling in and then allowing your thoughts to progress is fine, thats what alot of people do. Choosing someone day 1 and then not letting go... especially when he has what is possibly the strongest role in the game is just BAD play that you can hide behind. .....ROLE DOES NOT = ALIGNMENT. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. IF HE IS RED THEN THE MAFIA HAS IT. I have analyzed him and proven why I believe he is red. His role does not make him town. For fucks sake. He is near being offed like I am and rather than posting near the end trying to help anyone he martyred himself and fucking left the thread? Thats townlike? Jesus, roles do not win fucking mafia games, players do. No his role doesnt mean he is town. But it does mean you shouldn't be trying to prove he is scum no matter what and thats what you have done this game. In fact, the only players I could see wanting to do that ARE THE SCUM because they can't night kill him till some Bodyguard(s?) are killed. Add to that the power of his role and you can see why I might see a very mafia motive behind your weird play. If he doesn't want me analyzing him then maybe he shouldnt be so scumlike? Maybe thats because hes scum? I have a clear read that is he red, why the hell would I drop that. It is not townlike to drop a read because everyone says you are wrong. It is clearly a bad move when most of the people telling you it are acting shifty, are new, or are downright using terrible arguments. As for how bodyguards work. You have no idea how many there are and as such have no idea how a scum would react with that information. Everyone would act differently. I can already say if I was red the night 1 shots would have been drastically different. You will have to take my word on that thought but as you think I am red you won't believe me. really? WIFOM here and it's hard to see how the night shots could've gone much more differently. Other than sandro, bum, Coag and decon almost all the vets got shot n1. You're saying you would've shot those players over some of those who actually got shot? I am saying my hitlist would have been drastically different because I have more information by being sheriff than you do. Simple fact. Palmar has the same information but near no mafia would trade their elected role for the mass havoc that could have been wreaked. Trust me when I say as red I would be currently being lynched and ace would have been championing the cause. I would also be lulsing through the thread like a total faggot.
Except Ace was alive for all of what, 8 hours?
Ace is completely irrelevant to this game, he did literally nothing. All I know for a fact is that he falsely accused me of being scum. For that alone he is a moron.
I don't even understand what you are trying to say with this, because it has no bearing on your argument. Sure, you can say you would've shot differently if you were scum, but who cares? The simple fact of the matter is that your defense of Zeks is terrible and your case on Palmar is pretty bad too.
Believe me, if you actually had a decent case on Palmar I'd jump right on it with you, since you're one of the only players left alive who can think logically. The problem is that since you reentered the thread your arguments have been terrible and your logic has been spotty.
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On November 30 2011 11:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
The simple fact of the matter is that your defense of Zeks is terrible and your case on Palmar is pretty bad too.
Believe me, if you actually had a decent case on Palmar I'd jump right on it with you, since you're one of the only players left alive who can think logically. The problem is that since you reentered the thread your arguments have been terrible and your logic has been spotty.
Basically this time a huge number.
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On November 30 2011 11:37 vaderseven wrote:
The key is that Zek's wasn't under vote pressure to claim at all. He had a clue pointing at him and he responds by softclaiming a role that he is not.
His lie didn't just help protect his real role, it was clearly designed to mislead.
No, he was under pressure to make a reason not to vote for him. What reasonable player who has any experience thinks he is going to get lynched off the first round of clues alone? no one. We strongly fight that style of play because its bad. As someone who used to be one of the biggest clue lovers around I can say that the benefits of early clues are near nil. It is so friggen rare we get the first days clues right and typically we don't. It is not smart to use them. As such any experienced player would figure he was dt checked. Why else would other experienced players be pushing him. Zeks has played off and on for longer than almost everyone in the player roster. This response is not sketchy by any means.
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zeks: 19
Deconduo
Lanaia
sinani206
Mattchew
vaderseven
GreYMisT
Toadesstern
Benjef
Kurumi
hyshes
Ciryandor
Risen
jaybrundage
Pigsquirrel
DeadlyPsycho
Palmar
Sandroba
Match
annul
ohN
tube
BlinD-RawR
intrigue
Palmar: 14
Kenpachi
Mattchew
prplhz
Hier
Risen
supersoft
Serejai
Benjef
Steveling
BloodyC0bbler
GreYMisT
ey215
Lanaia
Kurumi
Serejai
redFF
deconduo
Cyber_Cheese
AmericanUmlaut
you really think there's a huge difference in the amount of sheep voting Palmar over the amount of sheep voting Zeks?
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On November 30 2011 11:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
Ciryandor, why is Risen scummy?
When I voted him it was because he was going OMGUS why you vote for me based off a scumslip; it was retaliatory versus being defensive and justifying how he's town because he's playing this way. I hate players who just keep on pointing back at people and say you're being scummy because I know I'm town (WIFOM) and because you're voting for me you're either an idiot or a scum pushing for my lynch. Right now, he still has that OMGUS behavior of deflecting votes on him instead of pulling justification from players who vote for him then telling them off by showing how it isn't the case.
In any case, BC's behavior towards defending zeks and his dealings with Palmar overall (why do you think getting your mayor lynched is a good idea? and what was up with that case?) reads like an agenda to gain the double lynch power because he thinks Palmar's giving up. This reeks of wanting to get rid of Palmar's triple vote influence.
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And since I think Palmar is townie but has given up on the derptitude of the town, I think I can justify a vote on BC.
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On November 30 2011 11:39 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 11:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 30 2011 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 30 2011 11:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 30 2011 11:24 vaderseven wrote:On November 30 2011 11:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 30 2011 11:17 vaderseven wrote:However you ignore the people posting fucking blatantly in your face red. The cases on the others are trash. I offer you analysis and push a target. Yes I latch on and don't let go, thats how you play. You are the one that came off as blantat almost like to perfect to be true. Thats why I decided I had to vote for you over others. Latching on and not letting go is not good play. You state that like it is. Tunneling in and then allowing your thoughts to progress is fine, thats what alot of people do. Choosing someone day 1 and then not letting go... especially when he has what is possibly the strongest role in the game is just BAD play that you can hide behind. .....ROLE DOES NOT = ALIGNMENT. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. IF HE IS RED THEN THE MAFIA HAS IT. I have analyzed him and proven why I believe he is red. His role does not make him town. For fucks sake. He is near being offed like I am and rather than posting near the end trying to help anyone he martyred himself and fucking left the thread? Thats townlike? Jesus, roles do not win fucking mafia games, players do. No his role doesnt mean he is town. But it does mean you shouldn't be trying to prove he is scum no matter what and thats what you have done this game. In fact, the only players I could see wanting to do that ARE THE SCUM because they can't night kill him till some Bodyguard(s?) are killed. Add to that the power of his role and you can see why I might see a very mafia motive behind your weird play. If he doesn't want me analyzing him then maybe he shouldnt be so scumlike? Maybe thats because hes scum? I have a clear read that is he red, why the hell would I drop that. It is not townlike to drop a read because everyone says you are wrong. It is clearly a bad move when most of the people telling you it are acting shifty, are new, or are downright using terrible arguments. As for how bodyguards work. You have no idea how many there are and as such have no idea how a scum would react with that information. Everyone would act differently. I can already say if I was red the night 1 shots would have been drastically different. You will have to take my word on that thought but as you think I am red you won't believe me. really? WIFOM here and it's hard to see how the night shots could've gone much more differently. Other than sandro, bum, Coag and decon almost all the vets got shot n1. You're saying you would've shot those players over some of those who actually got shot? I am saying my hitlist would have been drastically different because I have more information by being sheriff than you do. Simple fact. Palmar has the same information but near no mafia would trade their elected role for the mass havoc that could have been wreaked. Trust me when I say as red I would be currently being lynched and ace would have been championing the cause. I would also be lulsing through the thread like a total faggot. Except Ace was alive for all of what, 8 hours? Ace is completely irrelevant to this game, he did literally nothing. All I know for a fact is that he falsely accused me of being scum. For that alone he is a moron. I don't even understand what you are trying to say with this, because it has no bearing on your argument. Sure, you can say you would've shot differently if you were scum, but who cares? The simple fact of the matter is that your defense of Zeks is terrible and your case on Palmar is pretty bad too. Believe me, if you actually had a decent case on Palmar I'd jump right on it with you, since you're one of the only players left alive who can think logically. The problem is that since you reentered the thread your arguments have been terrible and your logic has been spotty.
Really? My logic is spotty? You have made excuses for Palmar for his bad decisions.
I believe you said this quote earlier
"A very good town player in foolishness once said that it isn't about the little things on their own, but the little things pieced together for the big picture. You might be right in that we don't lynch on clues alone, or anything else alone for that matter, but you are wrong in that you cannot use these little things in conjunction with eachother to lynch people"
Stop making excuses. Start doing what you yourself have said.
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On November 30 2011 11:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 11:37 vaderseven wrote:
The key is that Zek's wasn't under vote pressure to claim at all. He had a clue pointing at him and he responds by softclaiming a role that he is not.
His lie didn't just help protect his real role, it was clearly designed to mislead. No, he was under pressure to make a reason not to vote for him. What reasonable player who has any experience thinks he is going to get lynched off the first round of clues alone? no one. We strongly fight that style of play because its bad. As someone who used to be one of the biggest clue lovers around I can say that the benefits of early clues are near nil. It is so friggen rare we get the first days clues right and typically we don't. It is not smart to use them. As such any experienced player would figure he was dt checked. Why else would other experienced players be pushing him. Zeks has played off and on for longer than almost everyone in the player roster. This response is not sketchy by any means.
SO WHY IN HELL WOULD HE GO AHEAD AND LIE IN SUCH A WAY THAT CAN REALLY FUCK WITH THE ROLE OF DT?
I have been waiting a bit to ask that but it seems relevant. Zek's softclaiming miller REALLY fucks with a town role that we need to have fucked with the least.
Imagine if people believed that and were basing their sanity off him being a town miller?
Thats what he was telling people to do.
Then he was like nvm im not a miller im a vig.
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On November 30 2011 11:43 Ciryandor wrote:When I voted him it was because he was going OMGUS why you vote for me based off a scumslip; it was retaliatory versus being defensive and justifying how he's town because he's playing this way. I hate players who just keep on pointing back at people and say you're being scummy because I know I'm town (WIFOM) and because you're voting for me you're either an idiot or a scum pushing for my lynch. Right now, he still has that OMGUS behavior of deflecting votes on him instead of pulling justification from players who vote for him then telling them off by showing how it isn't the case. In any case, BC's behavior towards defending zeks and his dealings with Palmar overall (why do you think getting your mayor lynched is a good idea? and what was up with that case?) reads like an agenda to gain the double lynch power because he thinks Palmar's giving up. This reeks of wanting to get rid of Palmar's triple vote influence.
What? You do suck. Your vote still has no justification. All I ever asked for was the people who voted me to justify it. That isn't scum behavior at all. If I voted for you and posted no explanation other than one that had been struck down already by people OTHER THAN me, you would think I was either an idiot, or scum. As it is I don't think you're an idiot, I just think you're scum.
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On November 30 2011 11:43 Ciryandor wrote:When I voted him it was because he was going OMGUS why you vote for me based off a scumslip; it was retaliatory versus being defensive and justifying how he's town because he's playing this way. I hate players who just keep on pointing back at people and say you're being scummy because I know I'm town (WIFOM) and because you're voting for me you're either an idiot or a scum pushing for my lynch. Right now, he still has that OMGUS behavior of deflecting votes on him instead of pulling justification from players who vote for him then telling them off by showing how it isn't the case. In any case, BC's behavior towards defending zeks and his dealings with Palmar overall (why do you think getting your mayor lynched is a good idea? and what was up with that case?) reads like an agenda to gain the double lynch power because he thinks Palmar's giving up. This reeks of wanting to get rid of Palmar's triple vote influence.
OMGUS isn't a reliable way to catch scum.
Risen's posts have no air of scum agenda. He made one questionable slip that said "oh yay I lived" but that's completely understandable in the context of the fact that he's a new player and this is his first game.
He's unlikely to be scum to me at this point, and it's troublesome that so many people are willing to vote someone based on one single "scumslip" that really isn't indicative of anything other than newness.
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EBWOP: Your swap vote now that I'm not on the chopping block doesn't save you at all in my eyes. What does cast doubt is your swap to BC instead of prplhz, though. I'm more certain of prplhz and not BC. Why did you pick BC over prplhz? I do understand why you picked BC over Palmar.
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On November 30 2011 11:43 Ciryandor wrote:When I voted him it was because he was going OMGUS why you vote for me based off a scumslip; it was retaliatory versus being defensive and justifying how he's town because he's playing this way. I hate players who just keep on pointing back at people and say you're being scummy because I know I'm town (WIFOM) and because you're voting for me you're either an idiot or a scum pushing for my lynch. Right now, he still has that OMGUS behavior of deflecting votes on him instead of pulling justification from players who vote for him then telling them off by showing how it isn't the case. In any case, BC's behavior towards defending zeks and his dealings with Palmar overall (why do you think getting your mayor lynched is a good idea? and what was up with that case?) reads like an agenda to gain the double lynch power because he thinks Palmar's giving up. This reeks of wanting to get rid of Palmar's triple vote influence.
Getting my mayor lynched is a good Idea if I believe he is red. If I thought he was town I would leave him alone. Did I somewhere post "I think palmar is town but I want his lynches so luls lets off him" No? didn't think so.
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No, he was under pressure to make a reason not to vote for him.
His reason would be clues are not a good way to choose a lynch. Especially given how long the day had left he should have said that and stuck to it. If he is scum though he might try to fish and fool DTs that might check him while at the same time throwing that its just clues guys chill stuff in.
Nothing about needing to give a reason not to vote for him should involve lieing. The ONLY reason to MAYBE lie is to fool the mafia into thinking you have a different role.
If he wanted to do that, he could claim, gasp, Vanilla.
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Ciry, you know that the mayor and the sherriff are not nessesarily the same aliengment right? of course you lynch the mayor if you think he is scum.
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BC you are on track to die right now...
Do you want to claim post anything before said lynch?
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Wait, wth?
On November 30 2011 11:48 bumatlarge wrote:
wow douche move bro, douche move
##Unvote supersoft
##Vote: palmar
What do you mean by this bum?
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On November 30 2011 11:46 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 11:43 Ciryandor wrote:On November 30 2011 11:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
Ciryandor, why is Risen scummy? When I voted him it was because he was going OMGUS why you vote for me based off a scumslip; it was retaliatory versus being defensive and justifying how he's town because he's playing this way. I hate players who just keep on pointing back at people and say you're being scummy because I know I'm town (WIFOM) and because you're voting for me you're either an idiot or a scum pushing for my lynch. Right now, he still has that OMGUS behavior of deflecting votes on him instead of pulling justification from players who vote for him then telling them off by showing how it isn't the case. In any case, BC's behavior towards defending zeks and his dealings with Palmar overall (why do you think getting your mayor lynched is a good idea? and what was up with that case?) reads like an agenda to gain the double lynch power because he thinks Palmar's giving up. This reeks of wanting to get rid of Palmar's triple vote influence. OMGUS isn't a reliable way to catch scum. Risen's posts have no air of scum agenda. He made one questionable slip that said "oh yay I lived" but that's completely understandable in the context of the fact that he's a new player and this is his first game. He's unlikely to be scum to me at this point, and it's troublesome that so many people are willing to vote someone based on one single "scumslip" that really isn't indicative of anything other than newness.
That's my point, he was going OMGUS at every voter at him. That doesn't help as much as it could have as pulling their reasoning out in the open besides the "slip" and pulling info from them by forcing them to justify it further. As it is, his deflection is a null-tell overall.
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