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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
##Vote: Palmar ##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD ##Vote: DCLXVI | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
You're probably not, though. ##vote Nisani201 ##vote bumatlarge What's setting me off about DCL is that nisani is voting him... | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
There exists a case on you, I've reiterated it at least 3 times. Dumb townies are dumb. They don't listen. You die now. ooohhh thahnk yuuuu come agin | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
##Vote: DCLXVI Let's kill scum today  | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
On November 23 2011 13:05 wherebugsgo wrote: RoL is very likely to be town because I thought Hiroruby was town. You're not. Please die. There exists a case on you, I've reiterated it at least 3 times. Dumb townies are dumb. They don't listen. You die now. ooohhh thahnk yuuuu come agin No you haven't. This is the case against me (there is also this post, but that is just a quote of my previous link, and a bunch of false statements with no evidence). The rest of your posts are just random statements that mean nothing. "Nisani is scum," "Nisani deserves to die," and so on. People are believing you because you're repeating it so much; I have done nothing scummy this entire game. As such, when you say something like this: On November 23 2011 12:42 wherebugsgo wrote: What's setting me off about DCL is that nisani is voting him... it really proves that you are avoiding all avenues of logic to simply think that I'm scum. That is scummy in and of itself. Thus my vote. ##Vote: wherebugsgo | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Bum voting DCL+Palmar is also very shady. He needs to die too. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I've made my case. I made my case early day 1 and no one listened to it, now all Nisani does is randomly vote people and say absolutely nothing in his shitty posts. He votes RoL for a baseless vote on Palmar, but he himself makes a baseless vote on RoL. He accuses me of not using logic, when he himself is not using logic when he thinks both RoL and Palmar can be scum if RoL voted Palmar (derp) And again, complaining of baseless votes by other players when he mentioned DCLXVI a grand total of once before voting him, then saying that my accusations that he has terrible logic are bad when his vote of DCLXVI is somehow a display of logic. He says this: On November 23 2011 12:46 Nisani201 wrote: RoL has done nothing for town. The fact that you're soft defending him makes me more suspicious of you. but has a problem with this: On November 23 2011 12:42 wherebugsgo wrote: What's setting me off about DCL is that nisani is voting him... Most damning is this: On November 21 2011 08:00 Nisani201 wrote: I will conclude my analysis with a scumlist that Palmar provides. Currently it provides no reasoning; however I wouldn't be surprised if he follows it up later today. Stop being manipulated. Get out of your box. Realize that Palmar is scum, and vote for him. He accuses Palmar of being manipulative, and saying that Palmar is pushing a scum agenda. Then he votes for two of the four people Palmar voted yesterday, AKA RoL and DCLXVI. If he truly believed Palmar was pushing a scum agenda then he wouldn't agree with half of his votes. Kill Nisani. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Hiroruby did not look like scum to me. RoL doesn't either, though both players were highly inactive. The way they both received votes is more telling of their alignment than anything else. If you look at who voted Hiroruby (and who is voting RoL) you'll see that both very town-like people and very scummy people have voted them. This is a strong suggestion that hiroruby/RoL is town, NOT scum. DCLXVI has received votes in a similar pattern. While it's less certain that DCLXVI is town (to me, at least) I think we should consider other targets today. Other targets do exist, and the primary reason I'm wary of pushing DCLXVI now is that both bum and nisani are pushing for his lynch. Palmar, Nisani, and bum agreeing on something? I didn't see that happening, and I would bet quite a bit of money that both town and scum alignments are represented in that group of three players. I'm not certain that Palmar is town at this point, since his scum play is somewhat erratic and he could very well just be going solo and bussing all his scumbuddies (as he did in SMG) but since his scum play is relatively inferior to his town play and he hasn't done anything scummy yet, I tend to believe that he isn't scum. I haven't voiced that openly until now since I'm just curious who will attack Palmar and who won't, but he is one of my strongest town reads on behavior alone. Finally, take a look at these lists: All players in green have flipped town (I've listed hyshes as town because Drazerk's flip basically confirms him) All players in red voted on the biggest bandwagons, all townies, at least three times. Bolded in black are players who voted twice. Players italicized voted once. Kenpachi(14): bumatlarge, DCLXVI, prplhz, Drazerk, Zephirdd, Palmar, GreYMisT, risk.nuke, Tyrran, Lemonwalrus Hiroruby, sinani206, Nisani201, Cyber_Cheese sinani206(14): chaoser, GreYMisT, Lanaia, DCLXVI, Drazerk, Cyber_Cheese, risk.nuke, LSB, Tyrran, Forumite, Lemonwalrus, Zephirdd, HarbingerOfDoom, hyshes Drazerk (10): prplhz, HarbingerOfDoom, xsksc, Lanaia, Cyber_Cheese, DCLXVI, Forumite, Zephirdd, Nisani201, sinani206 prplhz (12): Forumite, Drazerk, GreYMisT, Nisani201, hyshes, bumatlarge, risk.nuke, Kibibit, Sabin010, Lanaia, xsksc, Coagulation If you are a townie on this list, please step up your game and stop derping around. Do the right thing and lynch nisani and bumatlarge today. In addition, take a look at this list and see if you notice anything. If you do, let me know. Thank you. My best scumreads are all among these players: #1. Nisani201 (voted 3 times on the biggest bandwagons) #2. bumatlarge (voted twice on the biggest bandwagons) #3. Lemonwalrus (voted twice on the biggest bandwagons) #4. chaoser/MrZentor (voted once on the biggest bandwagons) The one who looks best from the voting record alone is chaoser. I would bet quite a bit that at least one of my top 3 is scum, and a pretty modest amount that at least two are. These players: GreYMisT Cyber_Cheese Lanaia Forumite Look like dumb town to me atm, but I could very well be wrong. All of these players have voted THREE(!!) times on the biggest bandwagons. One could potentially make a valid case for all of these players to be scum, but I very much doubt more than one, or at most two is. Please clean up your play if you are town. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
So far you have Zephirdd, Nisani, DCLXVI, Greymist, Cyber_cheese, Lanaia, Forumite on 3/4 mislynches. The scum naturally want to use this to up their KP. I will also take back my hostility on palmar, with 3 kills during the night the chance of him absorbing a hit the previous night becomes substantially higher. To be honest, I think the best method is to indiscriminately kill all of them right now. I think its safe to say we will hit at least 2 red. ##Vote: Lanaia ##Vote: GreYMisT ##Vote: Forumite ##Vote: Nisani201 ##Vote: DCLXVI | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
In a majority lynch game they HAVE to reach the number of votes to get a kill, meaning in this set up a vote list is even more powerful of an analytical tool then anything else we have. I have used votelists to catch scum in the past before and it is a very very good indicator. If you look at Arkham Asylum mafia Lucidity played a really really tight game from posting, I couldn't 100% put him as scum. He flew under really well. But as someone who made semi good intelligent posts he ALWAYS ended up on the wrong side of every lynch. When he was the only person to fuck up so bad the answer was simple, he was scum trying to save his own. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
DCLXVI (7): Palmar, HarbingerOfDoom, wherebugsgo, Zephirdd, bumatlarge, Nisani201, Forumite I doubt 3 potential scummy players would all stack on their own while trying to push what could of easily been a second bad lynch for the day. I remember a wagon tried starting on DCL and never took off. These 3 likely scum (Based on the above reasoning I mentioned) don't necessarily clear DCL, but I doubt they would vote him off as scum, or at least try to advance his wagon so hard. For the sake of simplicity and thoroughness, I am not against killing DCL in case they were purposely drawing lines between each other. Also, I forgot. ##Vote: Zephirdd | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
On November 23 2011 12:44 Nisani201 wrote: Do you realize that there is no actual case against me? I have been using logic and reason this entire game. That is why I am voting DCLXVI. Think before you vote. I know you like Palmar but you have to realize that he's manipulating you. No, you're not allowed to vote for a bunch of townies, then build cases against more townies, and claim you're using logic and reason. Shut up. About RebirthOfLeGenD, as much as it pains me to say it, that despite his awful play so far, there is no reason to believe he is scum, unless you believe Hiroruby was the mafia godfather. So I'm not willing to look at any case against him today. I would much rather we focus on chaoser (or his replacement), 666, or perhaps even nisani201, who I'm starting to lean scum on again. Other potential candidates include sabin010 and xscsc (or whatever his name is), who haven't contributed anything of value so far. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On November 23 2011 17:24 Palmar wrote: No, you're not allowed to vote for a bunch of townies, then build cases against more townies, and claim you're using logic and reason. Shut up. About RebirthOfLeGenD, as much as it pains me to say it, that despite his awful play so far, there is no reason to believe he is scum, unless you believe Hiroruby was the mafia godfather. So I'm not willing to look at any case against him today. I would much rather we focus on chaoser (or his replacement), 666, or perhaps even nisani201, who I'm starting to lean scum on again. Other potential candidates include sabin010 and xscsc (or whatever his name is), who haven't contributed anything of value so far. Why would Hiroruby have to be the mafia godfather? Are you claiming you checked me? Anyway, please respond to my plan. You will be happy to know it doesn't involve killing you. | ||
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Tyrran
France777 Posts
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
Obligatory votes to carry over from yesterday. ##Vote: MrZentor ##Vote: Nisani201 ##Vote: Coagulation | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I'm all for lynching the people who bandwagoned like mad but we have to discriminate between who is more likely to be scum and who is less likely to be. Sure, it'd be a great way to get rid of the hard decision by just killing them all now, but I think we should lynch the ones who are scummiest first and then with those flips we can start pushing into the rest of the group tomorrow. In fact, most of the people who were on all 3 lynches are probably idiot townies. They wouldn't want that much attention on themselves. I think we need to more carefully consider those who were only on two lynches. Basically, I say we start with nisani/bum/chaoser. I know chaoser wanted to vote prpl, so he would've actually been on two lynch bandwagons. Scum like to split their votes between two candidates when both are town. I know this because I did it myself as scum. My team would split, one half pushing one townie for lynch and the other pushing the other. No matter who won, a townie would die. In this game, if both win, two townies die. So let's look at the lynch and see who, if anyone, had at least 3 votes and was on either kenpachi or sinani day 1 but not the other on the same day, and then was also on prpl day 2: Day 1: Kenpachi(14): bumatlarge, DCLXVI, prplhz, Drazerk, Zephirdd, Palmar, GreYMisT, risk.nuke, Tyrran, Lemonwalrus Hiroruby, sinani206, Nisani201, Cyber_Cheese sinani206(14): chaoser (would have been on prpl day 2), GreYMisT, Lanaia, DCLXVI, Drazerk, Cyber_Cheese, risk.nuke, LSB, Tyrran, Forumite, Lemonwalrus, Zephirdd, HarbingerOfDoom, hyshes Day 2: prplhz (12): Forumite, Drazerk, GreYMisT, Nisani201, hyshes, bumatlarge, risk.nuke, Kibibit, Sabin010, Lanaia, xsksc, Coagulation (would have been chaoser here as vote 13) From this vote pattern alone some of the 3 voters (such as Cyber_Cheese and GreYMisT) are less likely to be scum (though we can't rule it out) This is on the assumption that scum would split their vote to avoid as much suspicion as possible. This means we should focus on: bumatlarge, nisani, chaoser/mrzentor, forumite, lanaia. All names I think are likely to bleed red. If I missed something, let me know. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
Coagulation - nothing so far. I suggest we lurker lynch him today. Cyber_Cheese - confirmed to have a role, has indirectly denied being medic DCLXVI - confirmed to have a role, claimed medic Forumite - nothing, led the lynch on prplhz GreYMisT - reminds me of youngminii RebirthOfLeGenD - unlikely to be mafia, useless though Kibibit - nothing Lanaia - terrible or scum, don't know which, I'm leaning terrible Lemonwalrus - no clue Nisani201 - asshole, and bad, hopefully scum so I won't have to policy lynch him day 1 in future games for bad. Palmar - town Sabin010 - nothing Tyrran - has been pushing reasonable stances throughout the game Zephirdd - no idea bumatlarge - unlikely to be mafia, completely worthless atm though MrZentor - vanilla town, offered to roleclaim despite having already done so? hyshes - confirmed town through Drazerk's death wherebugsgo - semi-active and is at least pushing sensible stuff, which could be interpred xsksc - nothing to go on really. About the night hits: Yesterday only 2 hits happened. One killed LSB and another hit me. Today we have 3 hits. This is interesting, because it's definitely possible that one of them is a vigilante hit, although it is unlikely, given the choice of targets. No one actually suspected risk.nuke (except prplhz, and he shouldn't be listened to) and HoD, and Drazerk was a claimed mason. I have no reason to believe any of our vigilantes are that bad. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
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