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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 23 2011 09:35 GMT
#1841
On November 22 2011 07:19 Tyrran wrote:
Also, while I'm at it :


##Vote: Coagulation
##Vote: Sabin010
##Vote: xsksc


You lurkers unburrow just to lynch an innocent WITHOUT any justification at all, and completely disregarding the post where I understand that prp is a potential blue ( yes i called him vigi which he denied but still) and Palmar huge post in his defence. You are either scum or really crappy town, i dont want you in the game either way.
I agree with Tyrran here, these three were on the mislynch, but their stance look more suspicious than most.

On November 21 2011 16:36 xsksc wrote:
Just woke up and skimmed the thread, got to run for work now.
Just realised I hadn't voted yet, I'll post explanations for these later, hopefully during lunch.

##Vote: Prphlz
##Vote: Nisani201
You didn´t post explanation later, you came back to fix the vote that didn´t stick though.

On November 22 2011 04:22 Coagulation wrote:
##vote: prplhz

I wouldnt mind lynching ROL either after his "LOL LETS LYNCH KENPACHI"
a real credit to town.
Why did you vote prplhz? Any special reason?

On November 22 2011 02:28 Sabin010 wrote:
Ok i've read through the thread and this is what I have.

##Vote: prplhz

Risk.Nuke is completely pro-town and I'm keeping this vote on you until you've removed your vote.
And what part of the thread made you consider prplhz for the lynch?

If there are scum on the prplhz lynch, then they are either hiding among the three below, or the least the lurkers are playing in a way that is making it that much easier for scum to bandwagon. Off course you can be on a mislynch, but when you vote you take a stand, don´t sneak in another vote, hammering without getting much attention for it.

##Vote: Coagulation
##Vote: Sabin010
##Vote: xsksc
:3
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 23 2011 09:37 GMT
#1842
Okay, here is my blue reads :

Lanaia : She made a dumb mistake in the early game, revealing her double vote ability. In addition to that, she migth have a weak pardonner role, as she thought for a moment to be able to save prplhz.

Cyber_cheeze : He his a powerful version of a Watcher. Look at this post :
On November 22 2011 10:55 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Tyrran wasn't roleblocked or attacked, he was relatively new, showing some of the better logic in the game. Unless someone else claims a medic role, I'm willing to believe that two exsist, and the second is DCLXVI.

He seems to know what happened to me during day nigth, so i'd say he is a mixup between a watcher and a rolecop. (maybe with a drawback of some kind as this role seems a bit too powerful).

hysche : With Drazerk revealed as the weak Mason, i think we can all safely assume that hysche is the strong Mason. He is likely a Mason/Bulletproof mixup.


DCLXVI: Kenpachi role was revealed as the Newbie Doctor. I beleive DCLXVI is an experienced doctor . Please have a look at :.
On November 22 2011 09:00 DCLXVI wrote:
I can confirm that I did visit tyrran last night, I wish you had roleclaimed that earlier prplhz. For what its worth I did not protect Palmar last night, leading me to doubt his claim.
and
On November 22 2011 11:01 DCLXVI wrote:
Much better than a medic in some ways, but with a drawback to even it out, somewhat. I doubt Palmars claim because I don't think there is a third medic role

From this I deduce that it is likely that DCLXIV is able to protect multiple target during one nigth !, but with a drawback ( usable only once/ not every nigth?)

EVERYONE PLEASE UNVOTE DCLXVI. I DO NOT WANT ANOTHER BLUE LYNCH TODAY



@Nisani201
On November 23 2011 12:44 Nisani201 wrote:
Do you realize that there is no actual case against me? I have been using logic and reason this entire game. That is why I am voting DCLXVI. Think before you vote. I know you like Palmar but you have to realize that he's manipulating you.

Your only argument against DCLXVI is : He has an independant stance. I show that he is likely blue. Please make use of your logic and reason and unvote him.

@Palmar
Now that 2 medics have been revealed, and none protected you, your hit claim looks more scummy. Mafia is confirmed to have 2KP ( as i dont think any vigilante would have been stupid enough to shoot drazerk/risk.nuke), but it would be rather easy for mafia to only use one, and for you to claim hit. A third medic is rather unlikely dont you think ?
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
November 23 2011 09:41 GMT
#1843
Unlikely, but irrelevant.
Computer says mafia
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 23 2011 09:42 GMT
#1844
On November 23 2011 17:31 Tyrran wrote:
Guys stop voting for now. Blue role analysis incoming. DCLXVI is likely blue. Dont lynch him

I´ll listen.
:3
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 23 2011 09:42 GMT
#1845
Damn i missed HoD death, read to fast. some edit to the post above:

Mafia is now confirmed to have AT LEAST 2 KP, maybe also some kind of 1 time shooter. Did ANYONE else than plamar get hit on day 1 ?
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 23 2011 09:46 GMT
#1846
On November 23 2011 18:37 Tyrran wrote:
@Palmar
Now that 2 medics have been revealed, and none protected you, your hit claim looks more scummy. Mafia is confirmed to have 2KP ( as i dont think any vigilante would have been stupid enough to shoot drazerk/risk.nuke), but it would be rather easy for mafia to only use one, and for you to claim hit. A third medic is rather unlikely dont you think ?

Palmar could also be a one-shot veteran, which means he was still shot, but survived despite there not being any medics involved.
:3
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
November 23 2011 09:47 GMT
#1847
On November 23 2011 18:46 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2011 18:37 Tyrran wrote:
@Palmar
Now that 2 medics have been revealed, and none protected you, your hit claim looks more scummy. Mafia is confirmed to have 2KP ( as i dont think any vigilante would have been stupid enough to shoot drazerk/risk.nuke), but it would be rather easy for mafia to only use one, and for you to claim hit. A third medic is rather unlikely dont you think ?

Palmar could also be a one-shot veteran, which means he was still shot, but survived despite there not being any medics involved.


I have already explained that there is no mechanic in my role that allows me to survive night hits.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
November 23 2011 09:53 GMT
#1848
Assuming you are correct about DCLXVI Tyrran, this is Nisani's vote record:

(I think putting it in quotes stops ZBot from picking up on it)

##Vote: Forumite
##Vote: Kenpachi
##Vote: Palmar
##Vote: Drazerk
##Vote: wherebugsgo
##Vote: prplhz
##Vote: DCLXVI
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD


RoL, WBG and Forumite all look pretty good to me btw.
Computer says mafia
Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
November 23 2011 09:53 GMT
#1849
On November 23 2011 18:47 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2011 18:46 Forumite wrote:
On November 23 2011 18:37 Tyrran wrote:
@Palmar
Now that 2 medics have been revealed, and none protected you, your hit claim looks more scummy. Mafia is confirmed to have 2KP ( as i dont think any vigilante would have been stupid enough to shoot drazerk/risk.nuke), but it would be rather easy for mafia to only use one, and for you to claim hit. A third medic is rather unlikely dont you think ?

Palmar could also be a one-shot veteran, which means he was still shot, but survived despite there not being any medics involved.


I have already explained that there is no mechanic in my role that allows me to survive night hits.


So you have a role ?
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 23 2011 09:54 GMT
#1850
On November 23 2011 18:47 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2011 18:46 Forumite wrote:
On November 23 2011 18:37 Tyrran wrote:
@Palmar
Now that 2 medics have been revealed, and none protected you, your hit claim looks more scummy. Mafia is confirmed to have 2KP ( as i dont think any vigilante would have been stupid enough to shoot drazerk/risk.nuke), but it would be rather easy for mafia to only use one, and for you to claim hit. A third medic is rather unlikely dont you think ?

Palmar could also be a one-shot veteran, which means he was still shot, but survived despite there not being any medics involved.


I have already explained that there is no mechanic in my role that allows me to survive night hits.
Okay, then either DCL is not a medic, we have a third medic, or you are lying.

I have a theory on the 3 deaths. The mechanic that is there to prevent people from claiming could have something to do with it, either claiming gives scum more nightkills, or they have a role that can target a player, and kills them if they have a role, but has no effect on vanilla townies.
:3
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
November 23 2011 10:00 GMT
#1851
On November 23 2011 18:53 Tyrran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2011 18:47 Palmar wrote:
On November 23 2011 18:46 Forumite wrote:
On November 23 2011 18:37 Tyrran wrote:
@Palmar
Now that 2 medics have been revealed, and none protected you, your hit claim looks more scummy. Mafia is confirmed to have 2KP ( as i dont think any vigilante would have been stupid enough to shoot drazerk/risk.nuke), but it would be rather easy for mafia to only use one, and for you to claim hit. A third medic is rather unlikely dont you think ?

Palmar could also be a one-shot veteran, which means he was still shot, but survived despite there not being any medics involved.


I have already explained that there is no mechanic in my role that allows me to survive night hits.


So you have a role ?


Everyone has a role.
Computer says mafia
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 23 2011 10:01 GMT
#1852
explain why bum is unlikely to be scum.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 23 2011 10:04 GMT
#1853
On November 23 2011 18:54 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2011 18:47 Palmar wrote:
On November 23 2011 18:46 Forumite wrote:
On November 23 2011 18:37 Tyrran wrote:
@Palmar
Now that 2 medics have been revealed, and none protected you, your hit claim looks more scummy. Mafia is confirmed to have 2KP ( as i dont think any vigilante would have been stupid enough to shoot drazerk/risk.nuke), but it would be rather easy for mafia to only use one, and for you to claim hit. A third medic is rather unlikely dont you think ?

Palmar could also be a one-shot veteran, which means he was still shot, but survived despite there not being any medics involved.


I have already explained that there is no mechanic in my role that allows me to survive night hits.
Okay, then either DCL is not a medic, we have a third medic, or you are lying.

I have a theory on the 3 deaths. The mechanic that is there to prevent people from claiming could have something to do with it, either claiming gives scum more nightkills, or they have a role that can target a player, and kills them if they have a role, but has no effect on vanilla townies.


at this point Palmar is very likely to not be lying.

There would need to be 2 town KP for mafia to only have 1 KP, and thus Palmar to be lying. I really doubt they would withhold a night 1 hit just to let Palmar claim it.

Why the fuck people are still seriously considering that Palmar is lying (and for it to be relevant to discussion) is beyond me.

The simple fact of the matter is, we can't find out whether Palmar is lying or not right now. We go with what we know, and our best leads. Our best leads do not lead us to Palmar being scum. They lead us to Nisani and bum being very probable scum.

Screw your heads back on your necks and think this through for a bit.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 23 2011 10:05 GMT
#1854
On November 23 2011 18:53 Palmar wrote:
Assuming you are correct about DCLXVI Tyrran, this is Nisani's vote record:

(I think putting it in quotes stops ZBot from picking up on it)

Show nested quote +
##Vote: Forumite
##Vote: Kenpachi
##Vote: Palmar
##Vote: Drazerk
##Vote: wherebugsgo
##Vote: prplhz
##Vote: DCLXVI
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD


RoL, WBG and Forumite all look pretty good to me btw.


I would believe those are all townies.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
November 23 2011 10:20 GMT
#1855
##Vote Nisani201

I can only write so much of your shit off as bad.
Computer says mafia
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
November 23 2011 10:39 GMT
#1856
..three kills?

Shame, risk.nuke and Harbinger both died. nuke was my strongest town read this game in fact.

I'd vote for DCL, but as Tyrran pointed out, it is also more likely that he is a blue rather than a red.

But then, we either have a third medic, Palmar is lying or DCL is lying(Or the possibility that we do have a third medic AND Palmar is lying, or that DCL lies but there are two more medics, and etc etc etc, lets take the three first possibilities for now). One thing we should know though, is: Did someone else get hit?
for the record, I don't think neither are lying and that there are actually more medics ingame

I don't mean only tonight, but also night 1. This should be important to know how much KP mafia actually has IMO.

as for votings, I'll follow Forumite and Tyrran here-
##Vote: Coagulation
##Vote: xsksc
##Vote: Sabin010


(I think it's needless to say that Tyrran is my strongest townread atm right?)

Also, I like Forumite's theory. I'm inclined more to the "someone has a role that they can target a player", but there must be some limitation to that. Lanaia is known to have a role since day 1 and she isn't dead, and her ability seems powerful enough to not want her alive. Well, that also makes it very hard to role claim in order to save yourself from a lynch, because that would just kill you anyway.

I also want to hear from bumatlarge a bit, his opinion on the game and who he thinks is scum/town.

No opinion on the WBG/Nisani case yet.
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
November 23 2011 10:40 GMT
#1857
Oh yeah, and Tyrran was right on the "risk.nuke is confirmed town"
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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 23 2011 10:41 GMT
#1858
On November 23 2011 19:39 Zephirdd wrote:
..three kills?

Shame, risk.nuke and Harbinger both died. nuke was my strongest town read this game in fact.

I'd vote for DCL, but as Tyrran pointed out, it is also more likely that he is a blue rather than a red.

But then, we either have a third medic, Palmar is lying or DCL is lying(Or the possibility that we do have a third medic AND Palmar is lying, or that DCL lies but there are two more medics, and etc etc etc, lets take the three first possibilities for now). One thing we should know though, is: Did someone else get hit?
for the record, I don't think neither are lying and that there are actually more medics ingame

I don't mean only tonight, but also night 1. This should be important to know how much KP mafia actually has IMO.

as for votings, I'll follow Forumite and Tyrran here-
##Vote: Coagulation
##Vote: xsksc
##Vote: Sabin010


(I think it's needless to say that Tyrran is my strongest townread atm right?)

Also, I like Forumite's theory. I'm inclined more to the "someone has a role that they can target a player", but there must be some limitation to that. Lanaia is known to have a role since day 1 and she isn't dead, and her ability seems powerful enough to not want her alive. Well, that also makes it very hard to role claim in order to save yourself from a lynch, because that would just kill you anyway.

I also want to hear from bumatlarge a bit, his opinion on the game and who he thinks is scum/town.

No opinion on the WBG/Nisani case yet.


you're scum.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 23 2011 10:45 GMT
#1859
##vote Zephirdd

If any of you read that post and honestly get a town read off it, I pity you.

Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
November 23 2011 10:45 GMT
#1860
why?
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