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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
September 18 2011 20:51 GMT
#534
I don't think Jackal lynch is happening, and at least he is now around posting his thoughts. Jackal if you are town you need to stop fixating on WBG as lynching is generally a bad method for disposing third parties when they aren't bullet proof. If he is a third party he could of course be lying about a number of things, but his behaviour so far makes slightly more sense in the context of him being a role who only has to find the ring.

##unvote
##vote Erandorr
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
September 19 2011 05:07 GMT
#706
On September 19 2011 12:04 sandroba wrote:
Okay, I'm done with my first read through the thread. Syllo why did you vote errandor man? This goes against everything you said previously and is not on par with the way you think at all? Also why did you jump on jackal and GGQ instead of iGrok?

Because at the time of voting it looked like it was going to be either wbg/prplhz or erandorr, so I picked the one I thought had the best chance of flipping scum. I already explained why I "chose" (more like nearly RNGed because they all looked the same at the time) jackal; I've played with him more and he was also contributing more in some other active games.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
September 19 2011 12:44 GMT
#713
On September 18 2011 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
No, I'm voting for WBG because I have no strong scum read and his play is the most anti-town. If I had to guess his role it's a neutral serial killer and I'd rather day 1 lynch an SK than what will probably be a town. I also never said WBG isn't scum. It's day 1.

So far our scum cases boil down to "your plan was stupid" "you didn't post enough" and "idk you voted for me and you didn't explain it well."

If I get a strong scum read then I'll move my vote. My read on WBG is either scum or SK. Either way, he's a detriment to town and I'm pretty sure he is not a pro-town role. I feel more comfortable voting for a player that I'm about 75% sure is a non-town player than a player I'm 15% sure might be scum.

My vote for greymist was really just a placeholder to get him talking. That's pretty standard stuff.

That's it. I'm not concerned with defending myself, I'm doing what I feel is right. WBG has been posting a little bit more constructively and at the very least, if he is a bad townie, he's learning that you can't shit post and troll without getting heat. There are still 24 hours left but so far all of the "scum" cases I've seen have been incredibly weak and I don't know why people seem to think it's impossible WBG is scum in the first place. Because he's too reckless? I've seen worse.

On September 19 2011 05:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I think it's quite probable Errandor is scum and misunderstands my reasons for voting for WBG and is trying to parrot/hide behind my bandwagon. However, if I have to switch my vote I personally get a worse feeling from Supersoft and chaos13 did a pretty good job of pointing out that very strange inconsistency.

On September 19 2011 07:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm keeping my vote on WBG out of principle because I am sure he is either SK or Mafia. The fact that no one is even exploring the possibility that he is scum says volumes to me. If he were, in fact mafia, it's a fitting enough to say "nah hes obv just 3rd party he can't be scum if yoou vote for him youre scum becasue hes not scum" but we don't know what alignment anyone is only mafia know that :-)

I can't quite reconcile these statements with the fact you left your vote on WBG. Care to clarify? Did you just became more certain about WBG being scum/mafia somewhere along the way? Why? What do you think about the possibility of WBG being a third party who isn't a serial killer?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
September 19 2011 17:50 GMT
#717
Cyber_Cheese who do you think is scummy? Your activity has been very low and your only post that could be characterized as a contribution is a list post in which you don't really find anyone scummy, except sort of the person you are voting based on rather flimsy reasoning.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
September 19 2011 18:04 GMT
#723
It's night and you were only asked to clarify something. Saying that you are about to be bandwagoned seems like an overreaction to me, no? Tunnelling WBG as mafia makes sense because, assuming that he is a third party, you don't really get into trouble for it and you can do it with some real conviction given that you don't have to make up reasons for finding him scummy.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
September 20 2011 06:40 GMT
#846
The night kill targets are pretty interesting especially in the light of Dr.H/Sauron having an unblockable attack. I suppose saving it for later may make sense, but on the other hand people were already suspicious of him last night. Radfield mostly ignored DrH, despite his quite scummy posts regarding his voting process.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
September 20 2011 14:11 GMT
#870
Palmar please give me a reason to believe you are town besides your resurrection mafia-esque apathy . It will do for now, but you've to start posting. And lol at you claiming that you would have been pushing for DrH if you had cared enough.

Why do you think Radfield is town, given that Erandorr flipped town and based on his post earlier today he was going to go for two additional town lynches (chaos13 and me)? And now he finds his own wagon scummy, even me despite specifically wanting me to switch. Speaking of the lynch, it was still better than WBG/prplplz lynches. I may be tunneling due to the night kills making very little sense (saurun's ability allowed them to kill whoever they wanted), because he IS contributing more than anyone really. I'll have to find one of his scum games to see what his scum play looks like. Anything more recent than Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Mafia?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
September 20 2011 14:24 GMT
#876
The issue with chaoser being scum is that it's very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit, so if they have the standard 3 kp, there is one KP missing and no one else has claimed a hit. I suppose it's possible mafia hit SK (the real gollum? would make sense for him to kill wbg I suppose and the flavor would fit) and thus he was free to claim the hit, but it's more likely that he really was hit. No way they double stacked prplhz or wiggles.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
September 20 2011 14:24 GMT
#877
On September 20 2011 23:21 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 23:11 syllogism wrote:
Palmar please give me a reason to believe you are town besides your resurrection mafia-esque apathy . It will do for now, but you've to start posting. And lol at you claiming that you would have been pushing for DrH if you had cared enough.

Why do you think Radfield is town, given that Erandorr flipped town and based on his post earlier today he was going to go for two additional town lynches (chaos13 and me)? And now he finds his own wagon scummy, even me despite specifically wanting me to switch. Speaking of the lynch, it was still better than WBG/prplplz lynches. I may be tunneling due to the night kills making very little sense (saurun's ability allowed them to kill whoever they wanted), because he IS contributing more than anyone really. I'll have to find one of his scum games to see what his scum play looks like. Anything more recent than Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Mafia?


look no further than close casket mafia.

Yes, but that was a no flip game so I was hoping something more standard
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
September 20 2011 14:40 GMT
#886
On September 20 2011 23:32 kitaman27 wrote:
Try Salem. Do you intend to push Radfield/Palmar or anyone else within the next few hours?

Unlikely as I prefer to spend the first 24 hours discussing and despite being somewhat suspicious of Radfield, I think it's more optimal to wait at least until day 3 given his activity and him being a likely NK target if he is town aligned. I don't like how Palmar is playing, but it's more due to his apathy and in fact he is so far looking more like his town play in swedish house mafia/resurrection/post day 1 XLIV, than his typical scum play.

I agree with sandroba's list though, so that's definitely where my focus will be.

syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
September 20 2011 14:43 GMT
#888
On September 20 2011 23:38 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 23:24 syllogism wrote:
The issue with chaoser being scum is that it's very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit, so if they have the standard 3 kp, there is one KP missing and no one else has claimed a hit. I suppose it's possible mafia hit SK (the real gollum? would make sense for him to kill wbg I suppose and the flavor would fit) and thus he was free to claim the hit, but it's more likely that he really was hit. No way they double stacked prplhz or wiggles.


Also, why is it very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit?

Why would they hit WBG? From mafia perspective he was either a possibly bullet proof third party or a lying town, and either way a likely vig target or a lynch candidate. Moreover, look at the list of players in the game and try to come up with a scum team that would prioritize wbg, especially given the other aforementioned factors.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
September 20 2011 15:00 GMT
#894
On September 18 2011 08:46 iGrok wrote:
Theres no way he would have a ring-stealing ability with no way to search for it. Think about that

This is interesting considering Sauron flipped and has such an ability. Why would someone who can just steal the ring first check for it? Or maybe you assumed he could do two night actions?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
September 20 2011 15:44 GMT
#905
On September 21 2011 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Syllo, what are your thought about sandroba? Do you think he is 100% town or can you even consider otherwise. If so, why?

I'm leaning town so far, mostly due to him agreeing with me a lot and also based on the night kill selection. While it's possible that he is scum and simply didn't give his input or others disagreed, but I'm still leaning on towards the kills pointing toward a townie sandroba.

As for whom I would lynch on sandroba's list, my current choice would be iGrok or GGQ. Both have done absolutely nothing so far and the igrok's post I highlighted above could be a slip due to him knowing that such an ability is present in the game. GGQ voted iGrok yesterday, but igrok lynch was never going to happen and he likes throwing away his vote as scum, though that's based on a very small sample size. Jackal is the close third, but that might change if he doesn't today give his opinion on ANYTHING besides WBG. I also notice that he asked to be replaced out, not sure what to make of that.

Original name sort of found igrok/drh scummy today, though then proceeded to vote pyo instead. Still, giving him some townie points for that so I don't think he is a good target today.


syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
September 20 2011 16:36 GMT
#909
I don't understand what's going on with this cipher. Assuming the intention isn't just to mislead, there is no reason to voluntarily post an anonymous message in code, especially something that short. Thus if we assume the source of the message is a townie, it would have to be some sort of information role result. If that is the case, obviously the role has to have a posting restriction that prohibits him from talking about it, or perhaps simply doesn't know how to solve it either. The message structure and word length indicates the message could say [player X] is [alignment]. However, the first word is 6 letters long and none of the names match if it's a substitution cipher. Similarly replacing the last four letters with TOWN or SCUM doesn't get you anywhere, as doesn't replacing the two letter word with 'is'.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
September 20 2011 16:54 GMT
#913
On September 21 2011 01:53 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 01:36 syllogism wrote:
I don't understand what's going on with this cipher. Assuming the intention isn't just to mislead, there is no reason to voluntarily post an anonymous message in code, especially something that short. Thus if we assume the source of the message is a townie, it would have to be some sort of information role result. If that is the case, obviously the role has to have a posting restriction that prohibits him from talking about it, or perhaps simply doesn't know how to solve it either. The message structure and word length indicates the message could say [player X] is [alignment]. However, the first word is 6 letters long and none of the names match if it's a substitution cipher. Similarly replacing the last four letters with TOWN or SCUM doesn't get you anywhere, as doesn't replacing the two letter word with 'is'.

You're assuming each word uses the same substitution pattern. Doesn't have to be that way. It could be Boolean or a Fibonacci progression.

I realize that, but I don't really have the tools or know-how to know where to begin if that's the case. Also it can't be too complicated given that's it's something we should reasonable be able to solve.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
September 20 2011 18:54 GMT
#922
Well this is interesting

I just got shot, as in a day vig hit me
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
September 20 2011 19:00 GMT
#924
So anyone willing to claim the hit?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
September 20 2011 19:20 GMT
#929
I don't quite understand why I would be scum day vig target over, say, radfield. Any thoughts radfield?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
September 20 2011 19:23 GMT
#932
On September 21 2011 04:22 Archon_Toilet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 04:20 syllogism wrote:
I don't quite understand why I would be scum day vig target over, say, radfield. Any thoughts radfield?

You keep saying you shot. If you were shot how did you survive? Claiming veteran?

I got shot and I survived, that's as much as you need to know
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
September 20 2011 20:07 GMT
#933
I'm off, iGrok you better have defended yourself by the time I come back tomorrow. Perhaps even claim. I'd also like to hear more from the other candidates, and sandroba/palmar.
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