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Also caught up on the thread huzzzzzahhhhh. Now lets start my post off with some quality. Foolishness is the lack of wisdom. In this sense it differs from stupidity, which is the lack of intelligence. An act of foolishness is sometimes referred to as a folly Now, everyone is prob going "BC why are you quoting this?" The reason is simple. There is a current campaign by foolishness to get BM elected. Now, BM is an unknown variable in the current metric of TL mafia. I say this because with as much time as he has had off from TL games he may have changed his play style via other forums. He could have "restrictions" of sorts provided by the host to make sure he doesn't ruin the game as his reputation portrays. However the most interesting reason is simply that he has not posted yet. Foolishness is running a campaign for bm proclaiming him town, yet, the man has yet to post as of the time i am writing this. I dont know about you, but I think my definition holds true at this point. Now for a serious campaign. I am running for mayor. Why am I running for mayor? Because I think I am one of the most experienced players in the roster who has the ability to lead. I am a generally a vocal player, and to those who have played with me before someone who is usually a fairly straightforward read. These players would include foolishness, incog (whos sharing an account). The ones who should based on asking me for advice/playing on teams with me as red/being fubar'd by my red play are sandroba, wiggles, visceraeyes, opz and possibly a few more. I am accountable for my actions. I say this because if I say i will do something I will do it. A scum me rarely pokes his head out without reason, and as such I am willingly to put spotlight on myself at all times to keep the town assured of my alignment. I will question, analyze and call out all those who play in what I view as bad town/mafia like. (I have already done this with foolishness, he knows better). I will actively harass lurkers to play in this game as opposed to lurking, failure to begin playing will result in advocacy of vig shots. In short I will lead. As opposed to letting the town run around under the reigns of a player not used to being put in the position to lead I am willing to do so. This also helps keep me alive as I will be a high priority mafia night target. They know I am coming for them, and I will not stop until they die. Vote for BC, vote for accountable and vocal leadership. | ||
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On January 13 2012 16:26 Bill Murray wrote: the one thing I'm taken aback about is whether or not Foolishness would buddy me this early as mafia from what I've seen of Foolishness, when he's mafia, he likes to sit back until day 2 I don't believe this is his scum game, but I'm only leaning on him I have a legitimate towntell from someone else moot point overall, his town play and scumplay is almost always "inactiveish" till day 2-3 when he starts to actively post. Changing this behaviour would be normal given his history of dying early in games. | ||
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On January 13 2012 16:56 bumatlarge wrote: BC if you hang foolishness I'll consider voting you. But you have to promise to be superactive, not Mr, oh I'm BC and I 'm just gonna come in on day 3 and do stuff. I guess if you are serious running for mayor. Bill has a point though, why would foolishness push bill as mayor when bill hasnt posted? It seems rather neutral, but not necessarily moot. He's drawing alot of attention. I couldn't think of a better way for him to say "HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT ME" its a good way of saying "look at me" however to label bm with an alignment of townie already when bm hadnt posted is sketchy as hell. and yes I have time for this game barring any of the "oh jesus someone died/got super sick/huge rl issue". As for hanging foolishness, he would have to continue being super wtf as his first few posts have screamed. I will also if it is something people want update the thread with my work schedule so people have a general idea of when I will and won't be around the thread tommorrow/saturday when it is posted. | ||
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On January 13 2012 17:10 Bill Murray wrote: It is not Foolishness's game I don't see how it is a moot point whatsoever I am not going to create a huge wall post, and sound like a high school football coach cyber_cheese is confirmed scum in my eyes. If I'm elected mayor, I'm lynching him He's acting like I haven't posted at all, when my post is right above his. To further his agenda, he's attacking bumatlarge for coaching power roles, when in his own post, he goes on to tell power roles to not run for mayor based on being power roles. Hypocrisy, and scum skimming, are just the icing on the cake, however. I had a scum read on him the minute he tried to get a lynch pushed through on Mr Wiggles, and then took his vote back when he realized it was for mayor. He was trying to get a mislynch pushed through for his scum team in my eyes. If he's town, oh well, he didn't even read any of my posts DIRECTLY ABOVE HIS, and he has not only proven he isn't reading, but already contradicted himself. eh? not that I want to start the first huge argument of the thread but. Do you agree that it is possible for someone to change their style? I am willing to give cheese about 20ish-30ish more minutes to respond to you before I make up my mind on him as well, I know my giant post was written as you posted 3 times. If he posts within the next bit of time badly or doesn't I will have him on a shit list. | ||
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On January 13 2012 17:12 Bill Murray wrote: I don't think he's doing that whatsoever if it's not a reaction test, I'll eat my shoe Always possible, but pushing you for mayor is a fairly strong reaction test and links the two of you near at the hip from game start which is insanely uncharacteristic of him. | ||
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On January 13 2012 17:15 sandroba wrote: Also we need to consolidate our candidates. If everyone and their mother runs for election mafia can EASILY get whoever they want elected due to spreading of votes. So if you are running just because it's "standard" for you to run or you don't trust Y or Z please step down and take the time to analise the handful of candidates that actually have a shot and can make a difference. Having the town's best interest in mind does not mean necessarily running yourself. Anyone who is not actively posting/scumhunting/etc... who is running for election by the end of the first 16-18 hour period (only saying this long as the game started at a lateish period for alot of people) then their candidacy should be invalidated as they are not actively participating in a level that is expected from our elected officials. | ||
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On January 13 2012 21:52 Toadesstern wrote: am I the only one who thinks BC's campaign is a little weird? I'm reading page 25 right now and I can't stop thinking about it. It feels off for some reason imo. I can't really put it down to something but although he said he's going to be accountable and vocal it doesn't feel like like townie-BC from the 80 player game. I voted him back than because I thought he's townie in that game and a lot of people said it's too dangerous to vote him because it's an instant-lose if he's scum. He answered a lot he made reasonable posts and everything he posted looked townish while I got the feeling he's trying to pretend to be town this game. Just take the part about foolishness for example. Sure foolishness is weird and someone has to point that out alright but I don't like that part at all: Sounds like "hey guys, see this? I am totally town! I put some effort in this and got pro-town things rolling". Does he really have to point out he's doing good? I'd like people to judge him on what he's doing themselves. Could be nothing at all but as mentioned I got a weird feeling when reading his posts and to me it's nothing like the last game I saw him play. Other than that: Still on page 25, still reading, still don't like palmar's post. However I actually like VE's post a lot but doubt that he's going to be mayor. He's putting some effort into this game and I don't think that that's his mafia-play at all. As you are really the only person to respond to me about my campaign I am delighted to respond and hopefully remove your doubts of me. As you point out my post is "weird". You make note of how I am "pointing out that i am good". Rather I am pointing out I will be active. There is an extreme difference and anyone who has seen responsibility will know what I mean as I pretty well was inactive and posted the bare minimum. As for the "i voted last time because people said hes took dangerous and insta lose if hes scum" you are missing the core bit of that game where I actively argued with people over fear mongering as what someones potential alignment is without a solid reason (no analysis) is not a valid reason to deny votes. This has not happened this game as everyone thus far seems to be running on their own merit as opposed to talking down fellow candidates. As for the current thread. Palmar makes On January 13 2012 18:34 Palmar wrote: I have no intentions of running for mayor or caring much about the mayor elections. I'm probably going to be voting VisceraEyes, depending on how dumb he will be through the day. statement. The last big game that was run Palmar got mayor and I got sheriff. Palmar hardcore ran that game, and invested a huge amount of his time into the game. For him to outright say "i have no intention of running for mayor" he would have been able to stop and seem like a fine post. But continuing with "or caring much about mayor elections" is where he comes off horribly wrong. He as shown in the past to care heavily about elections and the active pushing for towns to succeed. He then throws his support behind a player based on "how dumb they might be" over a reason like "I believe x is a solid candidate" or "I am voting for x because i believe they have solid scum hunting" etc.... It comes off as very curt and unlike the palmar I have personally played with in the past. On January 13 2012 18:25 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I'm reading through and commenting on peoples play, yes. It was to draw out some reasons behind actions and thoughts that I'm trying to understand the motivation behind. At the time I was making that post, you hadn't posted. I made a joke about lynching Wiggles. Bum looked like he was ready to focus the elections around power roles. I was discouraging that situation. Making up your mind on someone not even a quarter of the way into the first day? Seems legit. Yes, being bad at scumplay isn't inspiring. I haven't shown off my town prowess on this forum yet, so I don't have any epic winning streaks to brag about. Suffice it to say votes on me aren't misplaced. Everyone *should* be active in theory, but things can come up, and I guarentee that won't happen with me Scum will run for mayor, and more than likely they will be scummier than most of town. If we inspect the candidates closely, we can easily discern at least one. wtf is this post? Your post is nothing if not confrontational without saying anything important. You attack someone earlier for not adding things to the discussion of the thread however you fail to do so here. You want to be elected yet your primary posting style at the moment is to make a massive quote post with 1 line explaining your take on a specific quote. In some cases, 1 word. This is not the behaviour indicative of someone the town would want to lead them. To quote you "I haven't shown off my town prowess on this forum yet, so I don't have any epic winning streaks to brag about. Suffice it to say votes on me aren't misplaced" As the way you are playing now all votes on your are misplaced. You are not posting in a manner that is inherently decent. You are not posting frequently with decent contented posts to get a solid read on you. You are not actively attempting to assert a mark on the role that puts you in a spotlight for good reasons. You are in a spotlight because you are insanely shifty in the eyes of many players. EVERYONE should not be voting cybercheese unless he turns his game around now. Even if he is townie and he is insanely good he should know that his posts at the moment are terrible and are not ones that indicate the qualities someone who would be a good leader. As for my take on the other candidates. At the moment I am willing to get behind either meapak, BM, or bumatlarge. of the current people running, each of them has shown they can be active, make intelligent posts, and have clear ones that help get a general read on them. Everyone should be giving their take on who of the current candidates would make the best mayor. This way we can lower the total people "running" by taking the top 3 or 4 choices and voting as opposed to having 7-8 people running. | ||
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On January 14 2012 02:31 VisceraEyes wrote: BC, if you're town I think you'd make a fine Mayor - especially if you're as active as you've been so far this game. My issue with you is solely based on meta - you like most of the other vets tend to not play until D3 when information is high and chance for mistakes is low. There's NOTHING WRONG with that, it gets results...but I'm interested in a candidate who is going to be playing the game ALL game...not just D3 on. Eh? in smaller games with a core group of players where they are decent enough to dodge a solid read until d3 is why at least I typically am not active till then. However. In larger games right from the getgo you have to be active. More new people, more people to hide in (as such people tend to slip up more as there is a level of security). As such by being active now and analyzing and calling people out you can snag them early or catch someone before they start getting coached by their team if red. This is something I like doing if at all possible. I do appreciate your concern so I would levy you this question. Provided I do everything I said I will in my campaign post, as well as continue being active all through day 1 (as thats all we have to vote on) would you be willing to vote for me? | ||
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On January 14 2012 02:30 Mattchew wrote: BC who are you voting for, and Look at palmars play in mr wiggles mafia, I think he is trolling and fucking around so that he doesnt get killed by mafia. The last 2 I played with him he's gotten a raw deal for being good at town. Everyone who is good at this game can get shafted 1 game to another. It sucks but it happens. We all have off games, we all have games where we make the right calls and at least some of them turn up offing a bad townie instead of a red. Being good and getting shafted will happen and should not make you bitter and apathetic. If that mindset was one you carried based off past experiences I would say don't sign up as it is only detrimental to the town. As for who I am voting for? I already said which 3 candidates I most like at this moment and am going to wait till farther into the day to decide. One of the others may rise up and impress me, one of the 3 i mentioned may post and get on my radar etc.... | ||
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On January 14 2012 02:55 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Yes it's less helpful than it could be. That does not mean there was no content. Bill Murray needs to explain his read, and why it convinced him so much for starters. BC, who would you vote for right now and why? Moreover, who would you lynch, and why? It is a style of posting that does not, in my opinion, warrant the gain of mayor or pardoner. If the only style of posts you are able to make are the type you are then nothing seperates you from how say, ggq is posting. In my experience and my own thoughts, a leader should be a strong prominent poster. This means everyone has a ton of information on you based on your actions that in some cases could be scum reads or town based on how your opinion lines up (did your analysis snag a green not red, etc...) A leader has to be contributing in a way that puts them above and behind that of your average player and puts the strain to always perform on them. As for who i would vote for, already answered although I havent chosen which of the 3. For lynch at the moment? I have you, palmar and gqq on my initial list, but with such a small amount of time passed no one has posted enough to get a solid read on. I do expect more out of incog at this point in time however. | ||
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On January 14 2012 02:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Absolutely - I've made my concerns for you known and if you prove them to be unfounded then I'll absolutely support your bid. What's it going to take to get your support for mine? Stay consistent in what you promised and "out perform" the other 3 i have listed in that regards. You are a newer name and I know you are more easily manipulated than myself or the other 3 i listed. However, if you can prove to me via actions that you care more about the town than the other candidates I would vote for you. Active players are key for the elected roles, experience is also a huge bonus, but just having someone who will not jump out for a few days doesn't help anyone. In that you were correct. | ||
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Read this post fully before posting. It is something that everyone must read, and that everyone must comment on That is right friends, this post as I am writing it is near one of the most important posts of this game day. You are going to ask? Why BC? Simple. I am about to do something that will cause people to yell and scream at me. I am roleclaiming. I am mason Note what I have done? I have now put myself from the statistical chance of flipping a town aligned role of 80%ish and lowered it to a solid 50%. I am now either 50% red or 50% blue. I am doing this for a few reasons. 1) in this game there could exist masons on both sides of the equation. As such dealing with them early is key as they work behind the scenes of the game. 2) it is a confirmable role, stress this point, ROLE. I can confirm my role at the beginning of a day cycle as opposed to at the end of a day cycle 3) I am being transparent. By giving this information now, reading me becomes far easier. There will never be the "is he blue trying to breadcrumb etc..?" 4) goes along with 3, however it outs one of the masons now. It stops the discussion later of people discussing all the people who are masons and who is believable late game whereas we can cover at least one of them now This also sets the town up in a very advantageous way. Why you ask? I am elected and now town knowingly knows I am active in pms. I am not elected and not auto lynched by mayor and same information is known. It also forces the mafia to deal with me as they have no idea what I am doing in pm land. Do they try and kill who I am talking to? Do they use their own masons and attempt to find out what I have said, etc.... This I feel is the most advantageous day 1 use of my ability. I have already used my mason use for the day and will say who I used it on after this post in the nearish future. I am leaving who it is out as the purpose is to generate discussion on my claim, not on who I chose to mason to. As to detail of why I did this aside from the general points I made? Everyone will have an opinion on this claim. Some good, some bad. People will have to have an opinion on this subject however. EVERYONE will have an opinion. Do not just post "wtf bc you dumb fuck why would you do this". This is a debate about me specifically being a mason and if I should be elected, not elected and lynched, or not elected and left for the mafia to deal with me. All vets, all new players, all semi experienced players will have an opinion and it is needed. Anyone who fails to properly contribute on this matter. I have thought this claim out and realize that generally claiming day 1 is bad, however I feel at least with this mechanic and how it could be abused it should be discussed (especially with a high profile player such as myself possessing it) now and not later. On the most important note that this post will do however is generate serious discussion. How do you all wish to proceed with a mason claim? Specifically my mason claim? | ||
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On January 14 2012 03:39 VisceraEyes wrote: BC, I consider your claim to be scummy for this reason: you're essentially leveraging your role to win you this election. Discuss. Eh? Vote for me on what I say not my claim. The mason mechanic is something that will be insanely hard to deal with late game. You and I both know this from a game I mason'd you when I was red. I wanted to discuss how to deal with masons, however as I wanted to heavily discuss it it would be inherent that my role was in fact mason. It is easier to just claim it than imply. I am well aware this claim has actually screwed my chances to a degree of being elected but the annoyance of masons late game without discussing them is worth at least 1 person forcing the topic now. If i don't get elected because of it, so be it. | ||
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On January 14 2012 03:49 Jayjay54 wrote: I don't get it, BC. Why now? From what I read here, you were on top of quite some voting lists, including mine? So why would you roleclaim when your campaign was good enough on its own. Also, I'd like to line up with VE here. There's seriously nothing that says "I am town" here. Or would you consider your claim a bad play if you were scum? Therefore, I am glad that I didn't vote yet, because if I had, I had to unvote. Sceptical now. Being a mayor or sheriff whereas would rock does not outweigh what masons in generally can fuck up later in the game. I am one of whatever the end number is. If i don't get elected fine, however, is making everyone aware of at least one of the players who is capable of being active in pms a bad thing? As opposed to just saying "wow now your scummy" Discuss how we want to operate around masons, pros, cons, etc... Of all the roles in this setup, it is the only "confirmable role" but it is also insanely sinister as players can plant seeds of doubt, fish roles, etc... | ||
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On January 14 2012 03:57 Jayjay54 wrote: and that's kinda what you just did. you seeded doubt. why not win the campaign => roleclaim => comfirm. how would that in any why fuck up late game? the timing just seems off. Because i believe its important to get the discussion with as early as possible? Masons act the instant day 1 begins. Whereas all other roles act at night in the exception of a jack using their mason ability (i believe). This claim where "ill timed" only puts me at risk to a day 1 lynch to confirm my alignment. My role is confirmable. I can help assist the town via same actions I would do as a leader without the elected position, and with my claim mafia now has a hard time dealing with me. HOW as a group, do we want to deal with all masons as a whole? I say this as simply put. Not everyone is going to be a mason. Anyone could be mason'd. With a role that is potentially in the hands of both scum and town alike we need to discuss this now. Anyone who has seen me play before recognizes my stance on role does not = alignment, and with a powerful role like mason this shit has to be dealt with sooner rather than later. | ||
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On January 14 2012 03:58 VisceraEyes wrote: BC: Well, obviously you're no GF this game, because you claimed a confirmable role. Unless I'm mistaken, scum can't be mason AND GF, yes? DT checks will be accurate on you...so there's that. Confirming your alignment, in my opinion, should be paramount because I find it EXTREMELY likely that you would have elected to be mason on the scum team (for reasons that should be obvious to you and several others.) What's your plan on confirming your role? Are you going to out who you've masoned with? Are you going to let them do it at their own pace? I will out my first mason shortly, I want the debate to however move towards how to deal with masons as a whole. I say this because you know from experience with me just how subtle a touch can be needed to manipulate/confuse someone. A mafia mason will have the experience of a team in manipulation whereas a town member has their own ability to run with. On January 14 2012 04:01 Toadesstern wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 14 2012 03:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The Day 1 Important Discussion Post #1 Read this post fully before posting. It is something that everyone must read, and that everyone must comment on That is right friends, this post as I am writing it is near one of the most important posts of this game day. You are going to ask? Why BC? Simple. I am about to do something that will cause people to yell and scream at me. I am roleclaiming. I am mason Note what I have done? [1] I have now put myself from the statistical chance of flipping a town aligned role of 80%ish and lowered it to a solid 50%. I am now either 50% red or 50% blue.[/1.] I am doing this for a few reasons. [2] 1) in this game there could exist masons on both sides of the equation. As such dealing with them early is key as they work behind the scenes of the game. [/2] [3] 2) it is a confirmable role, stress this point, ROLE. I can confirm my role at the beginning of a day cycle as opposed to at the end of a day cycle [/3] 3) I am being transparent. By giving this information now, reading me becomes far easier. There will never be the "is he blue trying to breadcrumb etc..?" [4] 4) goes along with 3, however it outs one of the masons now. It stops the discussion later of people discussing all the people who are masons and who is believable late game whereas we can cover at least one of them now [/4] This also sets the town up in a very advantageous way. Why you ask? I am elected and now town knowingly knows I am active in pms. I am not elected and not auto lynched by mayor and same information is known. [5] It also forces the mafia to deal with me as they have no idea what I am doing in pm land. Do they try and kill who I am talking to? Do they use their own masons and attempt to find out what I have said, etc....[/5] This I feel is the most advantageous day 1 use of my ability. I have already used my mason use for the day and will say who I used it on after this post in the nearish future. I am leaving who it is out as the purpose is to generate discussion on my claim, not on who I chose to mason to. As to detail of why I did this aside from the general points I made? Everyone will have an opinion on this claim. Some good, some bad. People will have to have an opinion on this subject however. EVERYONE will have an opinion. Do not just post "wtf bc you dumb fuck why would you do this". This is a debate about me specifically being a mason and if I should be elected, not elected and lynched, or not elected and left for the mafia to deal with me. All vets, all new players, all semi experienced players will have an opinion and it is needed. Anyone who fails to properly contribute on this matter. I have thought this claim out and realize that generally claiming day 1 is bad, however I feel at least with this mechanic and how it could be abused it should be discussed (especially with a high profile player such as myself possessing it) now and not later. On the most important note that this post will do however is generate serious discussion. How do you all wish to proceed with a mason claim? Specifically my mason claim? 1) That's obviously bullshit. The chances to win lottery aren't 50% because you either win or you don't... but I see what you want to tell us 2) why? 3) no it's not. You're masoning someone. That someone is going to tell us if you masoned him. If you are a mafia you could tell us you masoned a mafiabuddy and of course your buddy will tell everyone you pm'ed him. 4) I don't realy care about what's going to happen with discussion later on if whatever might happen. I want to get a town mayor right now and for that reason I'd much rather see things tell give me something on your alignment than something that might or might not improve future-world 5) I'm pretty sure mafia will have to deal with you no matter what. That is if you're town. It's not like mafia is going not kill you because they think you might be a green instead of a blue and therefor you're no threat to them. Incorrect for you good sir. my role unlike anyone elses is confirmable. However my role is able to appear on both town and mafia sides thus rather than claiming "i am townie" and having the 80ish% chance of being one of the townie i am now firmly 50/50. My role is confirmable, my alignment isn't. You can clearly say "you were either 1 or the other before" however I have removed fake claiming almost entirely. Mafia do not benefit from me fake claiming this, nor do town. as for how I can confirm my role at the start? I mason at the beginning of a cycle not the end. As for saying its not confirmable? If i am a generic red and claim mason my mafia buddy says i masoned him. I die flip mafia goon he fucking dies. The only people who in their right mind would claim mason, are mason. As for also saying im not transparent? You know my role, I am even trying to discuss the role itself. If you do not care about the possible damages of a mafia mason late game and only care about the now then you are not playing in the best interests of this town. You must always look ahead. If there are roles that could potentially fuck town two days from now that wouldn't have if we talked about them today then we talk about it today. Period. as for mafia dealing with me? Say for arguments sake, there are 4 masons and 1 is red. I don't get elected and am not lynched by mayor. Mafia now has the option of killing me and thus reducing the number of people they can hide amongst and masons are confirmable. By claiming, town will always be analyzing me and determining if i am red or blue and choose to off me based on it. Mafia have the risk of killing me early and thus potentially outing one of their own early on or leaving me alone and hope the town ignores me. The longer I live the more benefit i am to the town and if i die by mafia shot I out one of their own slightly faster. Now. How do people wish to deal with masons as a whole? Do all discussions made get posted in thread? Do we opt to not talk to people who mason you, etc... This is an important matter, move just passed my personal claim and look at the role as a whole. Here is a link to a thread where masons were discussed before to get an idea why I think its important to discuss. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278946 the situation proposed there is obviously different from this game but the important none the less. | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:02 EchelonTee wrote: @jay, it was a posting mistake, that would be a pretty sorry way to try and get town credit. I have spreadsheets and stuff, which is where it came from. its not good practice imo to post tells without substantiation, thus I would've rather not posted that tidbit. And what's with the -mafia tag, is that just a dig at my post? I don't like foolishness but that doesn't mean bm is bad. will return to this again later. Current opinion on BC: wouldn't it have been better to get elected then mason one of your bodyguards? To get a tell on them? You already had a good shot at getting elected... I don't see as this scum though, more like a weird gambit. Posted from phone, will post more later. why would I wait that long? I am able to use my ability at the start of a day cycle and have it last into the night I believe. The more use I get from it the better. However, keep in mind if I have been mason'd this long, everyone else who can mason also most likely has. I also get the names of the bgs very late into the night or into the next day (or start of day 2) based on if the mafia opt to sub into the bgs. | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:17 Jayjay54 wrote: So you really think that having like 30 hours of discussion of how we should apply our masons do outweigh the pros of having a mason mayor? why is that? especially. when we not even know if you're a) a mason and b) town. Your role is not even confirmable at this point. Scum buddy " YAY he mason" Also, you say that with your claim it is hard for the mafia to deal with you. More than if you would've been mayor? How so? The discussion "HOW as a group do we want to deal with all masons as a whole" didn't really need a roleclaim. It would have started automatically. Hell, you could even haven given some ideas within your campaign. Sorry, I don't see any single reason why you would jeopardize your election with a roleclaim? Just to start a discussion how to deal with masons is really little - none benefit. You posted TL links. How is this coming from a spreadsheet? Do you have links in your spreadsheet? The mafia tag was a dig, yes. Your thoughts on BM and BC are right, though how is my role not confirmable? Say im scum and a scumbuddy says "yes he mason'd me" if i die and flip non mason red, both of us die and two mafia die? How is that effective at all. as for me beginning the discussion without claiming. With how I feel on the matter, it would easily come out via my posting that I would be the role, as such, why not just claim it now and get it over with. I am being as transparent as possible, and putting forth an issue everyone has an opinion on. That in itself is insanely important day 1. Generating discussion in hopes that town wins is far more important than my run at an election. | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:26 Toadesstern wrote: The part about what I called 1) was what you said in your example: If there are 4 masons and only one is red the chances are not 50/50. If we don't have the exact same amount of blue roles it's not going to be 50/50. But that's just useless chat so I'll leave it with that because it's just not important at all imo. About your example what is going to happen if you're red and ask a buddy to help out. If this thing of yours works out and people believe you you won't be lynched. Neither will scum kill you because you are a mafia yourself in that scenario. Even if there's a rampaging vigi you're safe due to your bodyguards if you're elected. The guy you masoned probably is someone you think is town I guess? Why should he be lynched and same applies to mafia here: Mafia won't shoot that if you are mafia. About late game: I've never seen masions in action. I think they look neat but I can't judge how good they are. That's why I asked "why" because I did not think we have to talk about masons because I did not think they're that scary. That was more of an "explain pls". The only way my claim makes sense if i am actually a mason. The role inherently is 50/50 % of being red. My example says that i would have a 25% chance, but the role itself is a 50/50. Regardless, ignore the math. If i am a red mason it means whoever claims i masoned will be town, period. I would never have to mason a scumbuddy as well, im already talking to them. Only a mason would make my claim. your ignore the case that im town. In whichcase if i am elected mafia now hates my guts, if i am not they still hate my guts as dealing with me is hard. You could frame me sure, but a dt checks, i die and they still are on a reduced list. Only my actions at this point will save me from dying or guarentee it. As for masons in action? Ask VE what I did in fw's game where everyone had 2 mason uses. I was mafia he was town, and in 1-2 conversations i had him create utter chaos in thread. We have had near no game where only a limited amount of players are masons. It will be a mechanic that can do more damage than any other role in this game. | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:27 Jayjay54 wrote: your roleclaim is likely, but not sure. 2 people at risk for trust and doubt in townfolk isn't that bad of a deal. by being transparent, you're actually not. You still didn't answer why you would jeopardize your campaign? I'm not even saying you're scum, I just say that I think it's a bad move. Being elected and being protected by 1(imo) bodyguard.Then roleclaim as mayor. Being able to talk to your guards. Get three votes. That would've been it... What you are suggesting is the selfish move. I am a member of the town. One member is not more important than the rest. Am I more experienced than some? yes. However, this move itself is annoying for mafia to deal with. For instance. Say that we only allow masons to work in pm's who claim publically as an example. If a single person fails to claim and someone gets mason'd they die. In that case you either catch a dumb fucking townie or a mafia. Does town decide to just ignore all mason requests and operate with everything in thread? Are all pm chains going to be placed in thread, etc... Eliminating a powerful weapon from the mafia is insanely beneficial tactic that benefits the town. So say my jeopardizing my own election fucks the mafias abilities in the grand scheme to corrupt or manipulate townies via pms? Is that not worth it? Townies should do most of the major posting and plans in thread at all times, so they have no real reason to use pms whereas mafia gets huge gains. As a mason can only talk 1 a player once for 1 cycle in a game, it is more beneficial for them as they can manipulate but don't suffer the long term scrutiny they would get if they talked to someone all game. | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:36 Mattchew wrote: WIFOM Otherwise, Do you think that all masons should claim like you have? Assuming atleast 1 mason would be mafia it could lead to a high percentage day 1 lynch how is that wifom? Why would I as red ever out myself and another mafia in the same day? Especially when if i had used my mason somewhere else i would be counterclaimed and die? It would mean i would have to hold onto my use and have a scumbuddy claim and thus waste my own power to corrupt a townie? It is pure logic, not wifom. As for masons claiming? Things like this are what my claim were supposed to generate. Forcing people to only post in the thread for instance is a huge deal as it removes a scum form of play, etc... | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:45 Cyber_Cheese wrote: The very fact you as a red shouldn't choose another red makes it wifom. You could do it in an attempt to give the other person cred in the event you flipped. How does me flipping red or blue give cred to whoever I picked? It gives you no information on them aside from the fact I mason'd them. I can talk to people, not confirm their alignment, or anything. If i say i masoned x and i die and flip, regardless of my alignment you gain no information on that player aside from I talked to them. | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:46 Jayjay54 wrote: so you're saying, you interfering with the mafias powers because you conjure up a mass claim? is that your point? Or what is? Because other than that your claim would just achieve nothing. No one knows, if you're really a mason (though I believe you here) and no one knows if you're town, since this claiming move could make sense while being scum as well. Ok, say the town agrees that everyone just opts not to talk to masons. You don't talk to them making them an essentially useless role. How is this beneficial as red? Every mason mass claims and all those who dont who are caught acting are lynched and die as a townie has no reason to hide the fact and only a red does. Again making it hard for mafia to act as mafia are forced to claim mason or not use their role, all claimed masons have greater scruitiny as we all should. In the event all mason's are town, then sure we die, however mafia offs the more useless of town blue roles. How as mafia does this make sense? It makes me look worse than I did before my claim, and I want people to actively discuss and potentially render my role useless? This is not mafia play at all. Which angle did I miss? The only way as red this looks good for me is "build town cred" at the cost of my entire team that I can see. | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:51 Jayjay54 wrote: he's saying that if you weren't a mason and you would booty call on your scum buddy to help you claim, then this could be wifom to save your scum buddy in case you turn red (in this very scenario) how does this save them? Does my "masoning" give information on who I check? No. You could say its wifom but anyone I claim I have mason'd will get massive scruitiny as they were talking to me. if I die and flip red everyone i talked to will get reanalyzed for the chance they were a red scum buddy. It is far more likely to only check townies, but as I said in the post you quoted, my alignment on flip tells you nothing about who I mason'd with. as red i could fake mason but recieve no benefit from it, as townie i will never know for sure if i choose is mafia or town. All you will have is my flip. | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:52 bumatlarge wrote: I don't think people are understanding where BC is coming from, a town mason is more likely to just immediately get rights, but if you look at scum mason; They have to pick them. Do you think mafia right off the bat is going to grab the mason role and start yapping away? I think if BC is mafia, he is doing us a favor. I think masons should claim in thread, the faster the better. It forces mafia into an awkward position, or else they can't claim at all. The only thing is why BC is insisting on running for mayor as well. It doesn't seem necessary. It displays a lot of self-interest which is what I fear. I must work now but I'll check in later. read my posts after my claim, You will see that although I still want it, I don't actually expect it at this point. | ||
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On January 14 2012 04:53 Mattchew wrote: It is WIFOM because there is no way of confirming your alignment or that of who you mason regardless of either one of your alignments. Based on what you have said the possible outcomes are You are town and die, the person you mason'd is a null read because you cant know for sure what alignment they are. You are Scum and die, you mason a town -> we think the mason'd is town You are Scum and die, you mason no one or a scum (kind of redundant) claiming to mason said scum team member -> we think mason'd is town If you are town, survive, and the person you mason dies as town, we have a null read on you If you are town, survive, and the person you mason dies as scum, we should have a town read on you If you are scum, survive, and the person you mason dies as town, we have a null read on you If you are scum, survive, and the person you mason dies as scum, we should have a town read on you. If we are to believe what you say and you survive day 1/night 1 as scum mason and you claim a teammate, you become more and more powerful because you can then start masoning townies to further confirm your role. so? I confirm my role not my alignment. I have openly said it never clears the alignment of who I mason. How is this an issue? You knew this going in. I have a confirmable role not alignment. I said that in my first fucking post on this matter. I put myself in a hotseat all to out the potential butt fucking the mafia would give. As for your WIFOM shit, i never once said you can confirm people I mason, you proposed that. You created your own argument on something I never said. Town should base their read on someone based on how they act in thread, not on the knowledge of "a mason mason'd this guy so hes legit/scum yo" You will get a town read on me based on my actions. If i mason a scum, in pms he slips up and he dies and flips red because i outed his slip up I look better than I do now but am no way confirmed. If i do it multiple times maybe. Where did I say that i am confirmable alignment? where did I say the person i mason is confirmable. My role is nothing else is. I still have to prove my alignment via posts just like everyone else. I am merely opting to fubar the mafia while im at it. | ||
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On January 14 2012 05:01 Jayjay54 wrote: I am not saying you're scum. I just don't see the connection between your roleclaim and your plan to deal with masons. How couldn't you made up this plan by itself, maybe even as part of your campaign? Sample: Under my mayorship every mason who masons is lynched. Bam.Problem solved. Discussion started. Everything as you wanted. No roleclaim whatsoever. Nice town mayor. Green trees. Happy feet. except in that case i have to trust people to claim someone masoned them. Instead you could get a townie so sure on someones guilt he claims that person mason'd him, that person dies. He flips non mason then we off said townie. Someone claims x mason'd them and they did we off a townie mason. someone claims x mason'd we off a mafia mason x gets mason'd and doesn't claim period. townies have a huge track record of screwing up in pms over the years to the point that some players excel at them. In this game, foolishness, myself, incog, zeks, opz, bumatlarge, etc... all have an advantage over players who have played for a shorter time. Ie we are more likely to perform well with the role and hide our intentions if we are red fairly well. Whereas a person we talk to could out their role, not out the mason, etc... By making the town decide, vocally, now, we force everyone to have an opinion. This gets it out in the open now and in turn gives information on pretty well every player. Getting a huge topic that is polarizing in opinion day 1 gives early early reads on players. Using the role as a way to generate good early reads on players that is also a role that could fubar the town far more sinisterly than say a roleblocker or failed vig shot imo is more useful. If my role instead leads us to getting early reads on the scumteam and solidifying a town win what do i care if i never get to use my mason ability again? | ||
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On January 14 2012 05:09 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I vote we totally ignore this mason thing, and allow them to do what they will. Masons can help both sides, and can backfire for mafia. Additionally, the mafia masons have to worry about maintaining their townieness on two fronts. If the masons people use their intellect, we can make the mafia masons potentially backfire. If their logs conflict at any point, we get a 1 for 1 trade. Mafia masons have the experience of an entire team to work manipulate someone. Townies only have themselves. The level of experience on one front is far more stacked then the other. By making people discuss what masons are allowed to do, or how they are allowed to act you instead cripple the mafia from the get go. | ||
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On January 14 2012 05:19 kitaman27 wrote: BC, could you give a better explanation of why your claim benefits town? Is it simply to ensure that you are elected and have protection? You state that it is a polarizing topic that will generate discussion, but both scum and town can address the claim from both angles without giving up a whole lot of information about their alignment. Why didn't you simply decide to run, get elected based on experience and popularity, and play the mason role as normal without public knowledge? To me, it seems unnecessary to open yourself up to a roleblock. The only benefit I can see is create a mason network for organizing blue information, but a day one claim is too early for this to be relevant and I don't see this as a beneficial plan currently with the thread of scum masons. uh read all my posts, I have said at least once for sure to bum that i want to be elected but don't expect it. As for why would I want to wander around in pm land with say (for arguments sake) 3 beginners. 1 of those beginners is red getting coached by his team to perform properly, the other 2 fuck up and get themselves lynched, or give out information to a mafia they mason down the line? The potential of fucking up in pms is far higher in a game where the level of ability in pm land is far higher with some people than others. As for opening myself to a roleblock? if we carpet blanket decide no one responds to masons then boom, a roleblock is useless. as for a mason network? if i mason you today, i can never talk to you again period. So any network would basically be a 1 day thing. 1 day talking to a specific player is far more useful as red as you can manipulate someone for a day then the risk of being caught is far lower. What would I do as town? fish for info and hope to find a scum? I can do that in thread just as easily as in pms. So making myself only able to do so here isn't a downside. As for both scum and town addressing without giving alot up? I would disagree. If everyone appears townieish on the subject and later someone starts acting somewhat shifty you have a basis of comparison and fubar them for it. Everyone has to take a stance which can fuck them now or later or not at all. The ones who dont get hit at all are the ones who are consistently townie. Could a red fake that? yes but they would have to be really good. | ||
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On January 14 2012 05:33 Kurumi wrote: Have You been to the new Sherlock Holmes? It's good. Anyway, Meapak's reasoning sounds reasonable and I feel stupid for not getting such basic thing. BC, do You think You'd be dead if not elected into office today? I feel like I might get shot? Mafia has to outweigh the importance of the mason role. Do they risk outing themselves faster by killing me, or keep me alive and hope that i get offed by town? Do I think I will die, at some point yes, totally depends on how the game rolls. | ||
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On January 14 2012 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote: BC are you for or against a mass-mason claim? This is now the second time I've asked you. Please respond. I repeat, please respond to my query regarding the mass-mason claim. I am fine with either it, or having town just say "we ignore all pms that arent host pms" Making every mason accountable / making them useless to prevent manipulation seems the best play at the moment. making them all claim however is the optimal play, it may out the group of us, but it also prevents mafia from using their ability without being in the spotlight. | ||
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On January 14 2012 06:01 GiygaS wrote: I'm for a mason claim. While mafia would know their identities, it provides transparency for the town as well, and if a mason is under suspicion and he's not dying from mafia, it's more evidence against possible scum. this is wifom. mafia could purposely leave someone alive to get offed by town. The upside to mason claim is only claimed masons can actually mason, ie if 4 people claim and player x points out player y who didnt not claim we lynch 1 vig other if y was not a mason. It means mafia can only use mason if they are willing to be in a spotlight downside all masons are known and k illable if no red on the list. The only other option is to carpet bomb deny mason usage, and all known people who mason after the decision get fubar'd. | ||
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On January 14 2012 06:02 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm still wondering the proper benefits to the mass mason claim. I'm neutral as again, the role seems rather bland for the town this game. Being a mason doesn't confirm you. I'd like to know the general town consensus. So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries* to be fair i have no mod confirmation that i was mason'd -_- | ||
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On January 14 2012 06:07 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...To be fair, do you think I would willingly violate the rules? I'm more about enjoying my experience of playing than winning. I'm above cheating at mafia. fair point. | ||
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On January 14 2012 06:22 Lanaia wrote: I definitely agree with Sandroba in regards to mason claims. Today however... That's the part I'm having trouble with as I don't really condone massclaims in large games this early. (Nor do most others). I read some people saying to ignore PMs not from host. Is this really a good idea? Sort of defeats the purpose imho. Also why did the mason mason the mason? Right now, I'm wanting to vote one of kita, bum and BC or mayor. Of those running, I have the strongest townreads on those three or they are people I would be more willing to trust. Do we want BC superprotected or not? Like, BC, do you still really want to be mayor? BBIAB, have to nap before work. <3 I always personally enjoy being mayor as I am a high profile target normally. If town wants me there I will get it, if they don't I dont. I realize that my claim is something some people might trust me more or less over, but the purpose of it was not to get elected as well, I think my ability to get elected on my own merit would have been enough. I merely knew that discussing masons day one would lead to me claiming anyway as thus did it to begin with. | ||
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On January 14 2012 06:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: also, scum masons are weaker than town masons. Town masons have the potential to catch scum, scum masons are literally worthless unless they manage to mason a player who is bad and they can manipulate. Even then the manipulated player is bad so he won't get listened to when he tries to do the scum's bidding. I have no idea where this impression that scum mason is a strong role came from -_-. re-read fw's mafia XLII everyone could mason 2 people and be masoned by whoever mason'd them. The amount of total chaos I created just via talking was so fing huge that mafia kept town basically locked up for the game. Town masons have the potential to catch scum. Dts have the potential have finding scum. Vigi's have the potential to shooting scum. Jacks could do all 3. Of the group, masons rely on their ability to read people and read posts to get a good view of someone. Catching someone in pms is not as easy as everyone thinks it is and historically towns have town far more retarded things there than good. | ||
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On January 14 2012 11:46 Protactinium wrote: Ah an interesting roleclaim. However, there is much more to this than people are getting at. The PM debate is an old one. Everyone has their opinion on whether it is town or mafia favored, and even through out-of-game debates, this is a highly controversial topic. If it can' be solved out of game, there's absolutely no way we are going to come up with a consensus in game. BC defends his claim by saying that getting everyone to contribute on this polarizing topic will help us get early reads on players. But if we can't agree on anything out of game, you won't really be able to say that someone saying "PMs good!" or "PMs bad!" will tell us anything about their alignment. Anyone can pretty much say whatever they like since they are under no obligation or pressure to have an opinion one way or the other on this issue. While it is debatable whether PMs are "good" or "bad" for town, it shouldn't be too controversial to say that PMs are elitist. They inherently favor good players who can make use of the extra channel of communication. When you are talking to someone in PMs, always keep in mind what you think the other person wants from you. Are they trying to convince you of a certain point of view? Are they trying to get you to claim? As long as you can keep in mind that the PM initiator may be attempting to manipulate you and don't give away information loosely, PMs really aren't that scary. What exactly has BC been discussing? Primarily, he has divided his attention between defending his claim, responding to attacks on the potnetial that he is red, and asking for "discussion" while pushing a particularly biased point of view. More clearly stated, he proposes a seemingly open-ended question, and answers it himself to make it appear like there was a town consensus behind it. If you look at the thread, the only real contribution to the discussion that DOESN'T come from BC is sandroba's suggestion that all the masons roleclaim. And notice BC's bias when discussing the topic. In almost all his posts, BC paints PMs in a bad light. He only seriously acknowledges that town masons have the potential to catch scum, but in the same post, quickly says that "its harder than you think": But lets look at a section of what BC has to say a bout PMs in his guide "TL Town Breakdown/Analysis": Quite a contradictory opinion from what he states in game. The essence of BC's out of game stance is that: "PMs are like playing with fire. Could be insanely awesome if used correctly, but could burn you if you don't. If you don't feel comfortable, don't use them". This is quite a stark contrast to his position in this game, where he seriously downplays the usefulness of town PMs, and does a bit of fear mongering in emphasizing how the mafia can screw you over with PMs. Is it possible that BC has changed his stance? I doubt it, but it certainly is possible. So lets dig deeper here. How is BC pushing his opinion? He does it subtly, and attempts to dissociate it from his personal point of view. In the beginning of his campaign to discuss masons, BC heavily uses the word "discuss" or "discussion", asks how "we as a whole" want to deal with masons, emphasizes that this is a discussion everyone should be weighing in on, and attempts to get the community involved in the discussion. He doesn't outright present his personal point of view, and frames the discussion so that it appears free and open-ended. But pretty much injects his own opinion into the discussion whenver possible. His initial point is that mafia masons are dangerous and that town needs to have a plan to deal with that. When asked for an example of PMs in action, BC drags in an example where he manipulated VE to do pro-mafia actions in just 1-2 PMs. (Reinforcing his stance on "PMs are scary") When asked behind why he thinks a mass claim will interfere with the mafia masons, he proposes in the hypothetical that if town agrees to not use PMs, then it shuts down mafia masons. A few posts later, he reemphasizes that "by making the town decide, vocally, now, we force everyone to have an opinion." While this is fine and dandy, really he is the one calling the shots here. When Cyber_Cheese suggests that we let masons use their discretion and suggests that smart town masons could cause the mafia masons to backfire, BC counters with "Mafia masons have the experience of an entire team to work manipulate someone", subtly pushing his opinion that PMs should be shunned. When asked about his opinion on a mason claim, he says he's fine with it, but takes the opportunity to inject more of his "ignore all PMs" idea into the conversation (notice that nobody else has been saying "lets ignore PMs"). BC is pushing the anti-PM agenda, in a way that is quite subtle. He constantly brings in reference to "the town needs to decide", or "this is a very important discussion that everyone needs to weigh in on", while he is really the one dominating the conversation. In other words, he is injecting his mafia bias into the discussion while attempting to pass it off as a town discussion or collective town decision. Here's something BC didn't tell you. As he has told me in the past (out of game): "keep in mind as red i rarely pm", and "my heavy pm use is town play". Now what about the "spotlight factor" brought up by Meapak? BC putting himself in the spotlight is nothing unusual, both for his mafia and town play. If you've read past games, think of BC's style as much the same as Ace's. As stated above, red BC doesn't use a PM heavy style. He uses a style that focuses on thread control, shutting down serious opposition through arguments and generally trashing the thread. BC claiming mason does not give him any +town points in my book. The general heuristic of "mafia want to avoid the spotlight" doesn't apply to BC, who is an experienced mafia player and has proven that he is well capable of taking the spotlight as red. So what is the scenario for BC being red and pushing his mason claim? BC is in fact red, and can use the mason power (chooses it for himself early in the day). As a town mason would, BC picks a mason target and starts talking to them. Once he gets the town to agree to ban masons, he is off the hook, and doesn't have to worry about PMs anymore. More specifically, he doesn't have to worry about town PMs. Like stated before, mafia BC plays a powerhouse thread control style. By banning PMs, BC doesn't lose out on much (he admits he isn't a heavy PM user), and nerfs Foolishness, sandroba, and my abilities to play a PM centric game (which we are known for). And that's what is the difference between this game and XLII (the game he refers to when he says he dominates with only 1-2 PMs). Foolishness and I are playing in this game, and are real threats. BC wants to shut down PMs before it starts, and he doesn't have to give up much information or lie at all in order to do it. Furthermore, he has not followed up on his campaign promise: "I will question, analyze and call out all those who play in what I view as bad town/mafia like. (I have already done this with foolishness, he knows better)." Ok, so maybe he called out Foolishness yesterday, but where is the scumhunting today? Its non-existent, because BC is too busy derailing the thread with mason discussions instead of scumhunting. What is even more interesting is the timing of his initial claim post. It comes an hourish after my second post against Ciryandor, which conveniently most people except for sandroba and sheth have ignored. 1. BloodyC0bbler derailed today's discussion onto the irrelevant, highly controversial, and unsolvable PM debate. 2. Because the community is split over the PM debate, discussing it tells us nothing about alignment even if people contribute to the discussion. In other words, BC is overexaggerating the importance of this discussion. 3. BloodyC0bbler is masking his intentions and his clear anti-PM agenda, which is inconsistent with his previous (out of game) stance on PMs). 4. BloodyC0bbler is trying to frame the discussion as an open discussion, when he is clearly injecting his personal bias. 5. BloodyC0bbler's actions are completely consistent with his mafia style, which is to spread chaos and control the thread atmoshere and discussion. 6. BloodyC0bbler's actions are not consistent with his campaign promise to analyze and call out people. He has done none of that today BloodyC0bbler is mafia. If you vote for me I will lynch him. Hi incog, and as you didn't tag who you were I will say it again.. Hi [b] incognito How do I know its you? I have never talked to mystlord. I am glad your third game post of the thread is once again a "i am running on the campaign of lynch this player" it gives nothing on yourself and yet people think you are doing something commendable. You ignore all game discussion and opt to push your own agenda to off players. I am impressed good sir. However, you fail to realize that I am not being the lazy bored me, I am actually playing. As for your analysis? Laughable. You make the claim of "bc has said he rarely pms as read and heavy pms as town" guess what? I have talked to opz before i wandered off to work, and the person I mason'd with Sandroba. As the only current way to talk to more is by having another mason mason me I am far more active than a mafia me would who would never use my ability to begin with. I will now quote the bit of my own words you attempted to use against me. On January 28 2011 06:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Private Messaging This feature has been in a fair number of TL games. It is also an amazing tool if used properly. However, if it is not used properly, the mafia will abuse it and potentially win. They are also a function if used improperly will cause people to feel left out and like they don’t matter as players. Pm’s can and do make people elitist in games. IF Pm’s are allowed in a game they should be used properly. Role fishing, small analysis groups, alignment testing. Role fishing is straightforward so I will not go into it at this time. Small analysis groups. These groups need not be large, as you only need a few heads to flesh out analysis on people. It also means that if a red is in your group, it is easier to catch them, and it keeps the other groups safe from infiltration. Alignment testing. This is posting in a way to let you carefully analyze reactions. Townies are more inclined to answer in one way and mafia/blues another. Sometimes this will be obvious such as catching someone lying to you in pm’s or lying in thread. Other times this will be noticing subtle word choices. Regardless of how you opt to use the tool, if you do not feel comfortable in your ability to use them properly do not use them and play the game via the thread. Ask for detail from Ace on this, as he dislikes the PM feature. Notice the bolded section near the top, you know, the amazing tool if used properly? How about we continue reading to where i state it is not used properly and mafia abuse it to win. You and I both know that discussions have occurred between yourself, myself, ver, qatol, fw, foolishness and others over a large course of time about how town fail at using pms. My ability to use the mechanic is not the issue at hand. I do not anyone outside of a small core group of players to properly use the function, as such pushing for it to be something not used in general or heavily scrutinized is by far the best play. Can you honestly say based on the current claims that you feel mathchew is a player who can competently maneuver around pms without proper guidance? (not meant at a real jab at you matt, but you are newer and as such not someone I personally would want wandering unattended in the pm land). You and I both also know that reading people or catching people with pms is a skill that requires practice and takes time to learn. Only certain players on this site truly excel at them. Everyone else generally have proven over the last year that in most cases, town should not be in pm's period. I do appreciate that you are gunning for people, but you know just as well as I do that masons who are only able to talk to 1 person once over 1 day cycle when unexperienced in that field is a detriment to the town, not a positive. If you refuse to admit to this then we both know your scum alignment. As for subtle pushing against using masons? I can't decide for everyone. I have already said my bit and cant push this. By actively bringing it to the plate to even talk about I am forcing the issue What I also find amusing is you concentrate on my mafia style play but ignore my town style play which is near identical (as you well know) where the differences are pushing mafia or town objectives. You claim that I must be mafia for I take thread control etc.. As a note incog. Are mafia really that afraid of me removing their tool from the game that they sent you of all people to deal with me? You know just as well as I do that pms in experienced hands are usually detrimental to the town and know that even with guides and performances of towns as a whole pms cause more trouble than good. Anyone voting for protract at the moment needs to be seriously looked at. | ||
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On January 14 2012 16:17 ~OpZ~ wrote: Could not of said it better myself. But now that he mentions it, where the hell is BM? I'm not sold that any of the mayor candidate have a proper direction right now, and for all declaring they'd be active, they seem to be lacking. I am moderately offended by this -_- | ||
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On January 14 2012 16:21 Mattchew wrote: Please read post above. I have spoken on every issue brought up (palmar, masons, who to lynch) and I don't understand this logic of Mayor running the town / game. You get 2extra votes and a lynch and immunity. You don't have to be the most vocal to be a good mayor you just have to make decent decisions and read well. A mayor is someone players who surf by doing the bare minimum in thread follow at least early on. If you vote to off x then x will usually get sheeped. The other major reason is the player who gets mayor is someone you want to be able to hold accountable. IE is that person going to push a lynch hard, or is he going to get feedback first before deciding to push a lynch target. Forcing discussion, actively pushing lynches, etc.. are the things commonly looked for in a mayor. | ||
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On January 14 2012 16:32 Mattchew wrote: A. You are wrong. I think the shear volume of posts about foolishness, palmar, L (who hasn't even posted) and other vets not trying for mayor proves this. People will listen to vets and those who are most vocal, regardless of whether or not they are mayor. Also, I don't care for the people trying to scrap by doing the bare minimum, fuck them, to quote flamewheel You are basically giving people an excuse to sheep the mayor. What the hell is that. My priority is getting 2 town elected officials. This is by far and away the best thing we can do on day 1. The mayor basically is a 3 power jack, with a dayvig shot, 2 extra votes and 2 bodyguards. Putting a scum member (regardless of how pro-town their campaign is) is terrible for town. This is why I have done everything logically under the sun to prove that I am town. And will vote for the person I believe to be most town running alongside me. Giving people an excuse? I am stating mere observations about previous games. You can put in a warning of how people will be punished for being inactive jerkwads and they will still do it. Shit happens in peoples lives, they get a role they dont want and skirt by doing the minimum, etc... I am not giving an excuse for them I am stating a simple observation, people sheep. People tend to sheep those in power. Do people also listen to players such as myself, L, Palmar and the like if they aren't elected? Yes, but people typically elect these players to keep them alive longer. The skillset that a vet carries is why vets more typically run for elections. Long term those skillsets if on a townie player are a huge benefit to keep around, and if it is a red there is a higher chance of catching them as the mayor is expected to be active and a good player is expected to perform at a certain level. If the person running is unable to perform at the required level it is effectively giving a townie who will just follow someone elses choice powers that they shouldnt have. If they are heavily listening to the vets, give vets the extra shite. If you want to step up and stand on your own two feet do so. Think of being the mayor the leader of a country. You must have solid thread prescense. Keeping yourself alive with your role (a role i firmly believe you should not be using after today), is not say as good as a newer player with a dt or med role getting it. I am not condoning either of those roles claiming but you get the idea. The mason role is something an experienced player theoretically could use effectively and warrant getting elected while possessing it but I personally believe no one should sit in pms. Mafia choose who on their team gets to be a mason, whereas hosts rng who got it for town. Regardless the mafia have 10 heads to properly work on who to mason and which approach to take while a newer player has his own thoughts. | ||
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On January 14 2012 16:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote: BC was talking about ignoring PM's completely, and he's been wishy washy on whether he's keen on all the masons claiming. On January 14 2012 05:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I am fine with either it, or having town just say "we ignore all pms that arent host pms" Making every mason accountable / making them useless to prevent manipulation seems the best play at the moment. making them all claim however is the optimal play, it may out the group of us, but it also prevents mafia from using their ability without being in the spotlight. How about you read what I say and properly reflect it. I prefer ignoring pms and deciding that masons be ignored, but in the case no one agrees with that then mass claim so town knows who to heavily watch in pms. Everyone being on the same playing field is far more advantaegous than a minority playing with a different hand. | ||
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On January 14 2012 16:44 bumatlarge wrote: Apparently I don't know how to read. Claiming doesn't turn off their abilities. BC what you smoking son? It gives the mafia 2 choices. Use your mason(s) and risk being caught (as all masons would be known) or never use your power. It makes the chances of mafia being caught far higher as everyone knows which players to heavily analyze. I prefer no one answer pms or send them unless they are to / from mods. This itself makes the role useless. If we decide "we arent going to use / participate in its use. Its fairly straight forward. | ||
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On January 15 2012 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Unless I'm mistaken and fail at reading comprehension, BC has promised to out his mason partner "shortly" and has failed to do so in almost 24 hours...which is a long-ass time in a 48 hour day, not "shortly". Anyone voting for BC needs to stop doing that. His alignment needs to be confirmed. Making him mayor is the worst choice town can make right now. Also, someone has masoned me and I need to know what everyone thinks we should do about it. It feels like a mafia mason, but I'm inexperienced and don't want to make that call myself. I'm still reading, just putting this stuff out there. Does no one read my posts? I already outed who I mason'd with. I specifically stated in an earlier post that I was masoned with Sandroba. It was in a giant block of text near the top that I responded to incog with. | ||
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On January 15 2012 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=46#915 for those too lazy to look, theres the post i said who i was mason'd to to add to this, this post was near 11-12 hours ago, which if you also read the thread is written around the time I said I would be back in this game after my work shift. For people FoSing me or telling people to unvote based on not reading my posts should be heavily scrutinized. As someone who pulled out of the elections, VE should be evenly more closely looked at. He is now on my list of suspects. | ||
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On January 15 2012 03:00 VisceraEyes wrote: How does the fact that I pulled out of the elections make me more suspicious? And did you completely ignore my plea for help regarding my mason situation? Or do you not care because now I'm suspicious? You as a former candidate go out of your way to encourage people to withdraw votes based on a lie. You can say you misread my post which potentially believable due to its length I find unlikely. If people were actively waiting for a piece of information then my large posts theoretically should be read carefully for said information. You are not like jay who has been on my nuts all game. Had you chosen to encourage people to not vote for me as I claimed mason and had solid reasons behind it then I would see you as more townlike, as it would also be discrediting another player with the same claim. By opting to instead cherry pick one candidate over the other I see an inconsistancy. I say this as you made mention before in thread that you had reservations of electing me before as my alignment with my role was not provable (minus a lynching obviously), however this issue would be near identical to another mason and had you kept with that line of thinking as two masons were in the running I would have understood. Singling me out however, via incorrect information, is why you are on my list. | ||
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On January 15 2012 03:06 Mattchew wrote: Because my posting, my logic, and the lack of cases against me (other than slippery slope highly unlikely situations) make me far more townie than BC is. Incorrect. We would be if nothing else equal playing ground. You used my initial claim to play off of foolishness to make a power play at an elected slot using your role. I have openly stated that I would not be surprised or expect to get in because of my claim. In short I expect if i was elected it would be off my ability, not my role. You run was purely something you did via "im a confirmed townie" because of your role. The "cases" against you were that just because you are a mason does not make you confirmed town. You have been transparent with your pms yes, in which you have a townie who is helping you openly admit that bm is easily controllable and you are taking advice from him. IE you are also easily controllable. I am very hesitant to want someone elected that foolishness supports when his main reason admitted in a pm to you was an ability to control bm. Do you think he would support you if it was any different? Why would a vet player want someone in office he can manipulate/control instead of himself. And jesus, I totally just stumbled across that thought in help of one of L's earlier posts. Does anyone have a solid reason why it is advantageous to have an elected official in office you can manipulate/control instead of running yourself? If you are controlling/manipulating wouldn't that suggest you are more sure of your own ability to play and should be running rather than ducking responsibility? | ||
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On January 15 2012 03:11 VisceraEyes wrote: I just don't want you to be mayor! You're fucking scary! And you've claimed a role that if you're scum you can rape my asshole with (as proven!) Don't give me any of your "cherry-pick one candidate over another" bullshit! I know what you can do with PMs! You USED ME IN YOUR CAMPAIGN! You're NOT going to be mayor! isn't this a complete contradiction to. On January 14 2012 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote: I found Foolish's campaign to be both hilarious and appropriate and will support either BM or BC today. I still think people should vote for me, but the general consensus seems to be that I'm not experienced enough, which is totally fair. I don't think I'm totally out of the running though, so I'm not going to withdraw quite yet...but expect me to withdraw if I don't get any more support by 12 hours to deadline. near nothing new has appeared since this post aside from potentially incogs tunnel of me in which he incorrectly states an opinion. However, you never give your opinion on that post of his, just instead say your reading it and then reading my posts. Note how he never returned to even respond to me? There are two people on one name, and neither has appeared. You're reason to then push against me was debunked. If you don't want someone in office build a real case, dont make fake ones. | ||
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On January 15 2012 03:15 Mattchew wrote: imma quote myself from earlier why? Heres a scenario for you. Mafia sees that I out myself as a mason. They see that I am attempting to fubar the use of the mason role completely. Mafia goes "FUUUUUUUUUUUUU" then thinks, wait, maybe we can use this to our advantage. Mafia concocts a scheme to use one of their newer members as a mason and get him elected via his claim. Foolishness could be a red or green and go along with it because he thinks that he can control you? Or, you are green, do this move and foolishness is red and goes "score and easier person for me to use than bm" and backs you to get you into office. Doing so would make him seem town in your eyes and would gain him a mayor who trusts him. A newbie mayor who would go to him for advice before making his own decisions -_-. Either situation you could be red or green, and it doesn't matter. A mafia team putting forth a member to get elected on a role that once elected's alignment can only be determined via death, or a town candidate who is controlled like a puppet via the mafia are both good scenarios for them. | ||
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On January 15 2012 03:20 VisceraEyes wrote: You forgot about the part where you're suspicious of me for NOT READING SOMETHING HALF THE ACTIVE PLAYERS ON RIGHT NOW ALSO MISSED! FUCK, BC!! So? They didn't try to discredit me like you did. You also at one point endorsed my campaign as one of the only two you would support. I suspect incognito for dodging giving an opinion on a subject that I know he shares a similar view of while trying to discredit me for said opinion. He also appears in a timely manner to throw out a giant post to bash my chances of being elected and then vanishes into the wind, continuing a pointless debate on "bc's claim was scummy" as opposed to getting back on track for who should be mayor / giving an opinion on a discussion that could directly impact the game. I suspect foolishness for wanting to control mayoral candidates rather than just actively post and contribute in a townlike manner. Someone doing a sketchy action doesn't mean im going to auto push for you to die, it means your on a watch list. | ||
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On January 15 2012 03:26 Mattchew wrote: scenario is broken because i pm'd foolishness before you outed yourself. I don't see Foolishness as a strong town read. I would lean towards town if a gun was to my head but I still want to hear a lot more from him. without timestamps we have your word to take for that. Is that likely? Yes, however, your run for mayor was timed AFTER my claim. You're role + my claim in open prompted you to think of running for mayor. This is mafia, any situation is possible. Just because you can say "well im new do you think I would do that?" You know what? If you have a good player or players on your team as scum, a new player isn't going to be that bad as they can coach said player while using the "im new card" to explain minor mistakes. My argument is that you are no more confirmed town than I am. | ||
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On January 15 2012 03:29 Jayjay54 wrote: sup? first of all, I want to say sorry for saying the unvote thing. Regardless of what my read is of you, people should've unvoted you, if you didn't name your mason buddy. Which you did and therefore my statement was wront. I missed it, sorry! But it was well hidden. Normally such an anouncement is bold and on top of a post. But I guess, you have your reasons. Then, I was not on your nuts all game long. In the beginning, I actually was your biggest stan and saying your campaign is the best. Enter your roleclaim. As I stated like a billion times the motives behind it is still unclear to me. If you can describe me the upsides of your roleclaim, I will not think of you as scum again. Even more so, If you convince me your really town favoured, I will vote you again, since your campaign was the best and you're a good player. But since you kind of just nourished the discussion, but never thematized the timing of the roleclaim, you're scummy to me. The Hydra's case on you is pretty good IMO and is in line of what I believe. I try to be constructive, not just choose a player and piss him off. Using the phrase "has been on my nuts all game" is more or less accurate. You are really the only person who has been against me for a decent period of time. You also have said your reasons why. Do i agree with them? No. I do understand them however. If you compare what you were doing to what VE did you would understand why he is on a radar now and you are currently not. However, as for the upsides of my claim. Look at the specific post Incog (the hydra) quoted of mine from my town analysis thread that I believe i linked in a previous post. (if i didnt i can dig it up, its also somewhere on page 4-6 i believe of the mafia forum). I stress that most people don't use pm's correctly. In a situation where only a few specific players have access to that domain, it gives the mafia an advantage. They will have 10 people able to work on manipulating a player. You can say "i am going to look for manipulation so it won't happen" but again. Ask what I did to VE. It was subtle and vile. All I did was plant an idea that I knew he would think on and run with, and he did it in a way I knew he would. Manipulation is not obvious and a good player will know exactly how to do it without being caught. Mafia will have 10 people making sure its done right. I know that I can freely romp in pm land, but no smart mafia is going to talk to me seriously if i mason them. Why? Because i could do to them what they would do to another player. As such I had to think. How likely is it that only top players got the mason role? Unlikely as fw rng's roles. We are also a gimped mason as we lose contact with who we target after each cycle and can never use it on them again. This is inherently not helpful to town. Why? Because a townie benefits from bouncing ideas off one another in pms. However you need the time to build up a "trust" of sorts with the person to actually get a serious discussion on reads. People will naturally always suspect you at first when mason'd or at least they should. That is not alot of time to get by the distrust and have a discussion of who x and y think is scum. Then you have to go over all those pms and see if there is a hidden agenda there. PM's in the way we traditionally use them to "bounce ideas" or find scum are used over long periods of time with people mulling over information. As your ability to get reads is so short term they are unreliable and far more useful to manipulate or mislead which takes far less effort, and is doable in a much faster span of time. As such I opted to want to discuss the role. However, I also knew that based on my decision to heavily push this point, I would be forced to claim my role as there would be no way I would be able to hide that fact for the game while pushing heavy on its discussion. Even if I could, it could lead masons to out and out claim and would look extremely bad if I didn't while essentially outing people in thread. As such I did right from the get go. | ||
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On January 15 2012 04:04 VisceraEyes wrote: If you feel like the role is gimped and less helpful for town in this fashion, what is there to discuss? How we should handle people who mason us? What was the conclusion that we've drawn from all this discussion that's been generated BC? NONE! Know how I know? Because I've been masoned and I specifically appealed to town for help in deciding how to handle it and NO ONE HAS EVEN ACKNOWLEDGED IT! Even you when I specifically asked you about it! So what good did the discussion you generated yesterday really do? But you know, fuck all because now I'm suspicious right? I don't deserve help, answers or even acknowledgment. You do realize I agreed with the all masons should roleclaim and if they don't where the town says they should we auto bus them (not doing something the town as a whole agrees to is inherently scummy regardless of how someone wants to spin it). If town doesn't agree to this then we all agree to ignore all masons and play the game solely in thread. It is a gimped town tool that in its design favours mafia. Read my posts again, where I said IGNORE MY SPECIFIC CLAIM, and discuss how to deal with masons in general. I already knew the shitstorm would and tried to stop it then, people focus'd on one aspect of my post. Apparently I was wrong and should have claimed after I made discussion, most likely got elected and dealt with people harassing me then. | ||
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On January 15 2012 04:16 Jayjay54 wrote: I did not say that because of my Mattchew read. That's not the point. I got confidence in my logic and in my game. The real point is, that I am TOWN. And I think I did give proof for that. People were already saying how bad it is to have a 25% chance of getting a scum mayor and that randomly giving it to somebody would be better because it's 20% then. Well guess what, I am 100% homegrown town and therefore a safe option. to be fair, the chances of electing scum is dependent on the scum to town ratio of candidates. As in, if 2 townies run and 3 mafia run there is a 60% chance of electing a scum. That math is dependent on the amount of candidates for each alignment running. Based on the modkill I want foolishness to speak up and stop lurking, also incog or mystlord has to make an appearance. 3 posts over the first game day when two people are on an account is inexcusable. | ||
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On January 15 2012 04:46 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I'm voting for Protactinium for Mayor at the moment. He has what I believe to have been the best case for Mayor. If I had to decide the first lynch, I'd probably make it a town affair and get everyone's opinions on who they wanted to lynch and then decide based on what that information gave me. so the belief you have for deciding a lynch is via discussion and town consensus but you are voting for a player who has made 0 posts aside from saying he would kill ciryandor if elected or kill me if elected. so You are actually in favour of having someone lynched with 0 discussion as you are strictly following the most inactive of all the candidates who sole stance currently is lynching me. contradiction | ||
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On January 15 2012 04:50 Jayjay54 wrote: I actually like the lynch the mayor candidate plan. But I really think that scum would bet on their best horse. So if there's one scum mayor candidate, it would be a well established player IMO. That leaves us with? BC? Sandro? unlikely sandro. In a game with meapak, myself, BM, incog, and L would make far better "horses" than sandro We are all higher profile players and at least of the 5, 3 of us have decent scum games. Sandro has less experience in both town and mafia compared to the rest of us. | ||
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On January 15 2012 04:57 VisceraEyes wrote: One of, Jayjay. One of. where does it say jacks can day shoot? | ||
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On January 15 2012 05:00 Jayjay54 wrote: Jack You can act as a Medic, Veteran, Mason, and Vigilante... but not all at once and not more than once. You may use two of these four powers during the game: Protect, Mason, and Shoot. You may use the same power twice. Note that your Veteran life is not passive like that of a true Veteran's; you must choose when to activate it, and if it isn't used (as in, you aren't hit that night) it goes away. well it doesn't say, that they can't. just "during the game" true, but wouldn't the jack be limited to the vig restraints? which only let them shoot during the night? | ||
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On January 15 2012 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah, that's me being retarded. Last game I played with Jacks had Dayvig as one of their powers. Meh. Doesn't matter. Treat it like a retarded claim by a stupid newbie. You do realize you claimed the only other "town role" in this game that could be a mafia role right -_- | ||
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On January 15 2012 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote: NEXT TIME ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION BC INSTEAD OF ATTACKING ME ASSHOLE uh, i put you on a fucking suspect list and I had answered your question before hand in previous posts. Perhaps it wasn't clear. I wasn't the one who said I'd day 1 lynch you as well, I wouldn't. My view of you as scum is far below my current read on incog who is on par with palmar, foolishness and a few others. You were never in danger of dying with me, so I wasn't the one who forced your claim -_- no one here even asked you to. | ||
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On January 15 2012 05:17 Jayjay54 wrote: wait what now? I don't get it. WHAT? so you claim a role which exits for both teams. and you shoot CC on the first day based on him contradicting himself and a few maybe softtells? and you think that's a smart play? then you go ahead and vote for someone who wanted to lynch CC a while back and he outed another player while he was at it....the only smart move I think he made -_- | ||
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On January 15 2012 05:22 Liquid`Sheth wrote: @Cyr you need to read the thread a little better. You say here that Protac hasn't switched who he is going to lynch : + Show Spoiler + On January 15 2012 03:12 Ciryandor wrote: Whew, finally caught up after 25+ pages. Seriously. I just got home from being away all day today and had a long day at work yesterday, and people think I'm a good lynch candidate, especially for like half the mayor candidates? That's just fine and dandy, but there are other players who fit the same criterion. Some reads on players of interest: I honestly think GGQ has just as bad a posting history as mine, and that he has escaped scrutiny by creating an FoS on me just because I was asking why I should be believing the early candidates like Cyber_Cheese instead of Mr. Wiggles during that time. I also can't blame Protactinium for thinking I'm bad as well with my responses, but I wouldn't vote for him just because he thinks BC is scum, and he hasn't buttressed that argument since. As far as I've read, I think BC has townie interests at heart and is in the usual situation with leading mayor candidates, having a hard time justifying what he would do with the position beyond the Day 1 lynch power, but a point against him as well is that he has not delivered his mason partner, which he had decided to reveal in one of his posts. Also, risk.nuke being suddenly defensive after some criticism of him making a half hearted push for mayor is IMO very newbie townie play, or a scum being baited to attract others' attention to him. This should be noted as I think risk is noob town who does not know how to defend his positions properly. Just a question, where is Kurumi? At least sandroba has posted even if he thinks I'm scummy for asking if he's running, and Palmar has said he doesn't really care now about the vote; which is uncharacteristically sour of him. I read Palmar as trolling town more than scum because of that, as he would have probably given a token "I support someone because they're worth trusting" post (as that could influence newbies/lurkers) who see people commenting at him being a veteran voting that way at the very least if he were scum. Finally, I have to note that Bill's post that it is likely we have a scum candidate among the front-runners leads me to think we should actually do a vote-swing to a random strong candidate, and that the votes for that person should come from people who have already voted, as IMO it is more likely for scum to have delayed voting to have more influence over the result in a close race and not waste votes in a throw-away push for their candidate if a runaway win were to happen. Right now I'm torn between Proact and Sandroba in voting, because at least they're concrete in promising ONE NAME to lynch instead of being wishy-washy in getting a list of targets up, and that I think they have plans for town after Day 1 that don't need to be publicized yet. However he wanted to kill you at first. So I find it interesting that you're still ok with putting him as mayor. @BC You say again that Mason is an amazingly strong role in the hands of mafia because they have 10 ppl to bounce their ideas off. I just want to say if as the person who got Masoned with the ScumMason you don't realize that someones posts are very different then how they act in the thread, and they seem like they are coming from more then one person then you've made some mistakes. Quit throwing out the theory that just because they have ppl to talk to about it, that scum mason is better. Don't even know why your still throwing this scare tactic out there. + Show Spoiler + On January 15 2012 03:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Using the phrase "has been on my nuts all game" is more or less accurate. You are really the only person who has been against me for a decent period of time. You also have said your reasons why. Do i agree with them? No. I do understand them however. If you compare what you were doing to what VE did you would understand why he is on a radar now and you are currently not. However, as for the upsides of my claim. Look at the specific post Incog (the hydra) quoted of mine from my town analysis thread that I believe i linked in a previous post. (if i didnt i can dig it up, its also somewhere on page 4-6 i believe of the mafia forum). I stress that most people don't use pm's correctly. In a situation where only a few specific players have access to that domain, it gives the mafia an advantage. They will have 10 people able to work on manipulating a player. You can say "i am going to look for manipulation so it won't happen" but again. Ask what I did to VE. It was subtle and vile. All I did was plant an idea that I knew he would think on and run with, and he did it in a way I knew he would. Manipulation is not obvious and a good player will know exactly how to do it without being caught. Mafia will have 10 people making sure its done right. I know that I can freely romp in pm land, but no smart mafia is going to talk to me seriously if i mason them. Why? Because i could do to them what they would do to another player. As such I had to think. How likely is it that only top players got the mason role? Unlikely as fw rng's roles. We are also a gimped mason as we lose contact with who we target after each cycle and can never use it on them again. This is inherently not helpful to town. Why? Because a townie benefits from bouncing ideas off one another in pms. However you need the time to build up a "trust" of sorts with the person to actually get a serious discussion on reads. People will naturally always suspect you at first when mason'd or at least they should. That is not alot of time to get by the distrust and have a discussion of who x and y think is scum. Then you have to go over all those pms and see if there is a hidden agenda there. PM's in the way we traditionally use them to "bounce ideas" or find scum are used over long periods of time with people mulling over information. As your ability to get reads is so short term they are unreliable and far more useful to manipulate or mislead which takes far less effort, and is doable in a much faster span of time. As such I opted to want to discuss the role. However, I also knew that based on my decision to heavily push this point, I would be forced to claim my role as there would be no way I would be able to hide that fact for the game while pushing heavy on its discussion. Even if I could, it could lead masons to out and out claim and would look extremely bad if I didn't while essentially outing people in thread. As such I did right from the get go. @BC Hello there. I've been following you quite closely. At first you suggest that you claiming Mason puts you at 50scum/50town. Since you posted that you've talked more about how this makes you slightly more town. Do you still think your only 50/50 btw? And as for your claim that I'm contradicting myself here : + Show Spoiler + On January 15 2012 04:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: so the belief you have for deciding a lynch is via discussion and town consensus but you are voting for a player who has made 0 posts aside from saying he would kill ciryandor if elected or kill me if elected. so You are actually in favour of having someone lynched with 0 discussion as you are strictly following the most inactive of all the candidates who sole stance currently is lynching me. contradiction So to just look at the facts on your post against me, its that once you got threatened you started to use poor logic and counter attack. Just because the person I want to be elected isn't following what I'd do if I was elected isn't a contradiction. I'm not running for mayor this game at all. You are also trying to discredit Prot by saying he has made 0 posts aside from saying who he'd lynch if he was mayor. Hes also posted a lot of analysis on you. So there wasn't 0 discussion. I'm even happier with Prot as my mayoral target because of this. @Prot please post a little more on what you've seen and think at the moment. Just be transparent with where your leaning now please! and his post on me was primarily based on using words taken from out of game via a thread I made where he misrepresented my own words (he ignored the part about how town doesn't use pms properly) and using a statement of that "he as red doesnt like pm's only townie bc pms" I already have proven how he misrepresented and mafia choose their masons, thus I would never be a mason as red and my meta of not pming holds true. as for my case against listening to INCOG not prot. Mystlord did not post against me incog did, is purely that I know incog. He couldn't find a selection of posts within this thread to prove I am mafia and instead took posts I i have made over the last year to prove his theory within a game. He failed to account for how mafia actually work in this setup and I know he is a stickler for reading OP;s and he ignored wording in a post he used to damn me. He also as town would make reference to my town aligned play to be slightly impartial as getting a solid read on me this early would be near impossible for him if he can't use my actual posts in this thread to damn me. As for contradiction? If your style of play is democratic discussion you would opt to support someone with similar beliefs, not someone who is going to just gun someone down and only appear in thread when they want to. As for how I talked, would I personally as a third party view myself morelikely to be town than mafia? yes, however I am not you. Base fact is i am 50/50 and my actions in my belief should make me appear more townlike, if you disagree then I can say whatever thats your call however I will know you are wrong. as for pms. Do you have any idea how I sound like im pms? Do you know what incog soundslike? etc.... This is there advantage. Properly crafted, subtle pms are destructive and can be done easily and simply when people try to do so. Even if you are looking for manipulation you can be screwed. I have outlined why I believe mafia have an advantage based on how it favours them based on setup and based on history of TL. People like Ace hate pm's for a reason. | ||
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On January 15 2012 06:10 Jayjay54 wrote: @BC+ Show Spoiler + On January 15 2012 03:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Using the phrase "has been on my nuts all game" is more or less accurate. You are really the only person who has been against me for a decent period of time. You also have said your reasons why. Do i agree with them? No. I do understand them however. If you compare what you were doing to what VE did you would understand why he is on a radar now and you are currently not. However, as for the upsides of my claim. Look at the specific post Incog (the hydra) quoted of mine from my town analysis thread that I believe i linked in a previous post. (if i didnt i can dig it up, its also somewhere on page 4-6 i believe of the mafia forum). I stress that most people don't use pm's correctly. In a situation where only a few specific players have access to that domain, it gives the mafia an advantage. They will have 10 people able to work on manipulating a player. You can say "i am going to look for manipulation so it won't happen" but again. Ask what I did to VE. It was subtle and vile. All I did was plant an idea that I knew he would think on and run with, and he did it in a way I knew he would. Manipulation is not obvious and a good player will know exactly how to do it without being caught. Mafia will have 10 people making sure its done right. I know that I can freely romp in pm land, but no smart mafia is going to talk to me seriously if i mason them. Why? Because i could do to them what they would do to another player. As such I had to think. How likely is it that only top players got the mason role? Unlikely as fw rng's roles. We are also a gimped mason as we lose contact with who we target after each cycle and can never use it on them again. This is inherently not helpful to town. Why? Because a townie benefits from bouncing ideas off one another in pms. However you need the time to build up a "trust" of sorts with the person to actually get a serious discussion on reads. People will naturally always suspect you at first when mason'd or at least they should. That is not alot of time to get by the distrust and have a discussion of who x and y think is scum. Then you have to go over all those pms and see if there is a hidden agenda there. PM's in the way we traditionally use them to "bounce ideas" or find scum are used over long periods of time with people mulling over information. As your ability to get reads is so short term they are unreliable and far more useful to manipulate or mislead which takes far less effort, and is doable in a much faster span of time. As such I opted to want to discuss the role. However, I also knew that based on my decision to heavily push this point, I would be forced to claim my role as there would be no way I would be able to hide that fact for the game while pushing heavy on its discussion. Even if I could, it could lead masons to out and out claim and would look extremely bad if I didn't while essentially outing people in thread. As such I did right from the get go. I guess we're running in circles here. I've completely understand why you think masons are worse on a random town role. Especially, while having elected scum masons. Maybe, you read that in nearly all of my posts I 100% agree with you on that part. No arguements whatsoever here. I just question the roleclaim decision, because I think that you could've become mayor and while doing that connecting your campaign with that discussion, you're strong enough player that you actually could have pushed for it. Also, why not discuss it at night. Whatever. I still don't trust you...but again no need to answer here, no need to further discuss it. Right now. I still don't know who to vote for. Hydra has not been very vocal and I feel thats not good... BM hasn't been either. Just for a brief period of time... Meapak, who are you gonna lynch? Still, th Keep in mind I have stated that I didn't think this would get me elected, and was pretty sure it would screw my chances. Do I still want to be elected? yes obviously but I would understand why I wouldn't be. Don't trust me well, maybe my actions if I dont get axed by the mayor will change that. Thanks for actually considering what I have posted and thinking on it however, that is all i could ask for. | ||
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On January 15 2012 08:29 Protactinium wrote: Quite a few people have voiced concerns that I have not been active enough or have not provided a "gameplan". Well as Wiggles said, everyone's "gameplan" for mayor is pretty much the same and you can make however many empty promises you want. Obviously, I have been scumhunting. That's not going to change. While it may make you nervous or uncomfortable when other people are outposting me by miles, you can guarantee that when I post, I post meaningful content. Other than Foolishness's argument against Macpo (which I agree with btw), I have been the only one who has really been focused on finding the mafia. My posts speak for themselves, and Some clarifications about my BC analysis: While yes, I did state that BC's opinions here are inconsistent with his out of game comments, this is not the foundation of my argument, they are just icing on the cake. Does the fact that I am saying "I am running on the campaign of lynching this player" really say nothing about myself, as BC so claims? No, in fact, it gives you a lot about me. It tells you that I am a no nonsense player who will get straight to the point without cluttering my posts with irrelevant details. It tells you that I am serious about finding mafia and have no interest in spreading confusion and spam in the thread. And you'll notice that I don't only say "I want to lynch X", I actually give reasons for wanting to do so. BC is trying to misrepresent me and trying to convince you that I have done nothing for the town, which is clearly false. Notice how even at this point he still hasn't commented on my case on Ciryandor. BC lies about me ignoring his game discussion. In fact, I devote the first 3 paragraphs of my post just to address the little drama BC has created. I say that his discussion is an irrelevant and unsolvable one that will get us nowhere, while stating my opinion that PMs favor good players and aren't really that scary for town if used properly. That's really all that needs to be said. Yet instead, BC has taken the mason subject and expanded over many pages of the thread, conveniently trashing it and derailing the important discussion of who the mafia is. Look at the bolded section. Pushing my agenda to off players? BC tries to make me look like some bloodthirsty/trigger happy mafia. Guess what: The town's agenda is to kill the mafia!. So yes, my agenda is to kill mafia. That is much different from wanting to "off players". BC is inflating the importance of his "discussion"'s contribution to the town's agenda and is trying to marginalize my attempts to scumhunt, which really should be the town's priority. The italicized portion is irrelevant. I do not fail to consider that you are playing the game instead of being bored, since in fact, boredom is more a characteristic of your town play, not your mafia play. So in this little paragraph, what has BC actually done? He has attempted to discredit me by ignoring all my contributions, inflated the importance of his own contributions to the thread, and attempted to paint me as a trigger happy lunatic. Misrepresentation at its finest, and something that strongly indicates a mafia. I could go on and on to detail more paragraphs, but this should be sufficient. This is a joke. He does not state that it is not used properly, he says that IF it is not used properly, mafia can abuse it to win. If you read BC's PM stance, it is quite moderate and reasonable. Use PMs if you are comfortable in using them properly, ignore them if you don't. In this game? "Ahhhh ignore PMs like the plaguuuuuu! They are so evil!!" Its not as simple as that. Say, as town I am able to PM with an inexperienced mafia. That is a positive, not a detriment. BC is taking the case where inexperienced townies get into PMs with mafia and get burned, ignoring the case where a capable PM practitioner is able to leverage PMs for an advantage. BC creates an ultimatum where I am branded as mafia if I do not accept his rather skewed and overly-general statement that does not acknowledge the complexity of the PM issue. Bored BC is usually townie BC. But in the case that he is playing seriously as town, a simple check on two separate games with BC as town shows that his style is much different from this game. TL Mafia XX PYP3 In TL Mafia XX, BC proposes a plan, answers questions about it, but is rather straightforward and decisive with what he wants to do. He even roleclaims before the end of the election. But what is different this time? He clearly gives an outline of how his claim was a move to get votes, and in the next post to gauge reactions. He doesn't stir the pot by saying "hey lets get a discussion going", he just states his opinions, and scumhunts. Keeps most of his opinions to himself when they aren't necessary, but otherwise its pretty clear he isn't trying to stir things up chaos here. In PYP3, BC doesn't do nonsense. He has almost all analytical posts (about setup/the drafting situation first, then followed by attacks on LSB), and again isn't posting "to stir up discussion". BC's town behavior in these two games completely contrasts with this game. He heavily overemphasizes "lets get discussion going", never gives any indication that he wants to find mafia until he counter-attacks me in his defense against my accusation, and has many contradictions in his posts. Even in the above quote, BC says the differences are when he is pushing a mafia or town objective. Where is he pushing the town objective??? BC does no scumhunting, and is content to litter the thread with nonsense while attempting to marginalize my contributions. So no. Unlike what BC wants to make you think, my case is NOT based primarily on out of game connections. Those are simply bonuses. A quick look at BC's posts show that: He does not display any attempt to find mafia, despite his original campaign promise that "I will question, analyze and call out all those who play in what I view as bad town/mafia like.". He has overemphasized creating discussion on masons and manipulated the course of this discussion while derailing from the town objective to find mafia. As shown in the first section of this post, BC deliberately misinterprets my post and attempts to discredit me by painting me as a triggerhappy who just wants to off people. Lets be honest here. Look at my posts, and look at BC's posts. Which is more important, BC's mason discussion, or my who is mafia discussion? If one of us is really trying to derail the discussion, who is it??? BC is mafia. I am shocked that so many people are still voting for him, though I suppose its natural, since mafia candidates never are lacking in votes. I have done all I have promised. I have called people out for being bad, I have analyzed their behaviour of why they are there. Have I solidly pushed for their death? no. That is the minor difference. However, since you are being a complete dick I guess we will have to mention things. Incog uses 2 games to show "my town style of play" both games are from over a year ago. In both games you will notice a complete change of style. One focus' on abusing a blue circle to completely destroy a game where for the most part I am only active when need be. Pyp3 I was aggressive from roughly day 2 on and via hardcore aggression I nabbed most of the mafia and correctly found all the sks. Now, before everyone goes, but bc, he mentioned whats more important my analysis or your discussion. Guess what monkeys, without my discussion, he would be severely lacking for things to analyze. I started the conversation that GOT EVERYONE TALKING day 1. What did he do? He popped in with random analysis then pissed off for half a day or more to reappear and do it again. You have purposely not even discussed your knowledge of my current mindset of players and instead opted to use words I have said ages ago. What is more indicative is that you know that if all the masons roleclaim then each of us would be held accountable for actions and any "secret" masons would be outed and lynched. Forcing the only role that is confirmable to be accountable and highly scruitinized at all times DENIES THE MAFIA the opportunity to corrupt without real issues. This is not a regular pm game, this has masons. There is no equal playing field and town is severely out maneuvered. I am also amused that town would opt to put someone in charge who If town cannot even guarentee that he can release the names of his bgs to people who can reveal the names upon the death of the mayor / sheriff if both bgs are subbed but whatever. | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:02 bumatlarge wrote: I think it's too late now? I still like protact, no one has gone in depth why he shouldnt be mayor all gut feelings and one line accusations :/ bum really? His only cause to analyze me is he doesn't like my claim and is using year old + games to prove his case against me where the style in both was completely different. Everyone go back and read pick your power 3 and read jimbo silvers play, guess what, that was incog. Compare to this game now. | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:07 wherebugsgo wrote: Protact already washed his hands of BC. He's going to lynch macpo. I'll be shocked if macpo actually flips scum. Honestly, at this point if he doesnt lynch me is is confirmed scum. Do I want to die? No, but if he gunned this hard to analyze me to death as red then refuses to pull the trigger then hes full of shit. He knows I won't flip red and knows he will die right after. If he is able to fuck with town this hard now, keeping me around to continue to argue with will make more confusion and waste more time -_- | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:12 wherebugsgo wrote: IMO he's already almost 100% scum just by the fact that he chose Macpo shortly after Foolishness suspected him. It makes total sense from a scum perspective if you are town; you are a risky day 1 lynch and if you flip town that puts a lot of pressure on Protact. So instead he chooses the target that the number 1 scumhunter would choose (Macpo) and then washes his hands of the responsibility of lynching you. It's incredibly fishy. The unfortunate part about all of this is the fact that we've very likely elected a scum to office, and we lost a very good chance to lynch scum today. Apparently I got mayor (was requested to send in my lynch choice) Palmar was my pick | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:16 wherebugsgo wrote: what the eff how did you get mayor? He had like six votes on you or something I said the same thing. I didn't even think I got sheriff. I was just asked to submit it as they needed the lynch for the post.. | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:12 bumatlarge wrote: LOL WHEN WAS MATTCHEW MODKILLED? lol i didnt even notice that ;_; at like 3pmish this afternoon for screenshotting his pm box | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:18 EchelonTee wrote: @BC they asked for all mayoral candidates to send in their lynch choice, probably just for procedure. I am certain you got sheriff or mayor. they did, however I got harassed just after deadline for it as it was required. I could be wrong, but fw seemed pretty sure of the result lol | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:21 Palmar wrote: For someone who argues constantly that meta is useless, that lynch is terrible bloodycobbler. I have repeatedly asked people to present accusations that aren't meta, and no one has provided any. Thus it's strictly dumb to lynch me.... whatever. it was you or brownbear, he is up for a modkill. I already stated I would not choose protrac or foolishness before I went for work as to give them a day for their status. Also, considering the entire case incog has built around me is more or less just meta and you were for him to off me, i could say the same to you. | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:25 Palmar wrote: No, I wanted to kill you because your claim was bad play, as I explained. It has nothing to do with meta, no amount of meta would make that claim good play. @Town, kill this guy asap. At best he's destructive town. Claim bad for town? Im sorry, I realize most people are bad in pm land and that all townies given a role will use it regardless of competency. As such I made a move that would make it near impossible to operate as a mason without potential downsides. This hinders the mafia's play right from the start before they can get their thoughts into peoples heads or to rolefish. Its a role that is provable day 1, it is one that forces insane pressure on a player if they have to account for their actions. Forcing a mass claim on people and making it so A) only they can use the mason ability. Anyone else found doing so dies. B) lets everyone analyze them equally. C) forces mafia to put their own up for suspicion off the bat or deny them a role in the game. The downside? It outs the masons. Guess what, for removing the ability for mafia to fuck people with pms is a huge benefit. They then have to decide how to properly deal with us which will be far harder to do with all of us actively operating in the open. | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:36 bumatlarge wrote: Palmar was channeling his inner-traitor. I didn't think he was scum I started to doubt myself near the end of the day, but I think we can learn alot from that. BC, just curious, who were you saying would be your other lynch? brownbear. His typical scum play is lurk hard and only post when required to. had he appeared to vote i would have selected him, but as he was a non voter i figured he was most likely a townie with 0 time and aimed for palmar. | ||
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On January 16 2012 10:13 kingjames01 wrote: Town: I propose to you, that at least one of BC/BM is mafia. Why do I think this? There was a lot of chaos during Day 1. It started out with some decent speculation and debate as to who should be elected and why. Although there were a large number of candidates, certain candidates were becoming clear leaders in the race. After BC's mason plan and claim, the environment of the thread quickly spiralled out of control. From a focussed discussion of who to elect, we observed multiple mason claims, several nonsensical posts and a drop in the useful posts-to-noise ratio. Either the level of Town play is low (which I don't believe, based on the experience of the player list involved) or the mafia arrived in earnest. At the end of the day, there was a surge in votes cementing BC as Mayor over BM, who was elected as sheriff. It is WIFOM to discuss which role is more desirable for the current mafia family so I will stop here. Instead of constantly looking for scumslips in every vote. Step back and think about the day's events. What did the players ATTEMPT to do? What did the players ACCOMPLISH? For Day 2, we ABSOLUTELY need to get back on track. There's going to be a lot of discussion I'm sure due to the night actions but don't lose sight of what we learned in Day 1. Finally, the degree to which we hold BC and BM accountable should increase! BC claimed Mason. BC proposed a mass Mason claim. BC claimed to Mason sandroba. BC and sandroba reached 'a compromise'. BC used his Mayoral right to choose the Day 1 lynch and chose Palmar. We can no longer check BC's role and/or alignment. If BC's mass Mason claim was so pro-town, what did it actually accomplish? It wasn't very well thought out. Even if he is Town-aligned, it injected so much chaos into this game, that players are struggling to keep up. Weaker mafia can slip in a few posts here and there and we'll never even notice if they mess up. BC: tell us what you think your plan accomplished? Why did you suggest a plan that inherently would cause the Town to go in circles? Also, BM previously supported my idea to reveal the Bodyguards. Do you support this proposal? Will you give up their names after the night is over? hi kingjames It is so glad to know the mafia are reallllllllly angry with me right now as it makes it really obvious when you guys leap out at me. I say this because people who should have been far more active during this game cycle and risked modkills are suddenly "spurred" into playing a game and instantly doing exactly what I would expect you to. Jump at me instantly. Why do you ask that I expect this? Because I did the most town move throughout the entirety of day 1. From what I remember day 1 about the elections was very much what you would see in a game with no real movement. Everyone was discussing the candidates but most of it came down to experience in the players to narrow down the running. Before my claim and even after my claim up until the last 4-6 hour mark I had been solidly in the lead via votes. The "swinging" of votes towards me to give me mayor over bm was not a surge. I gained 3 votes near end of deadline. In the last 4 hours bm lost 3-4 votes then gained like 6-7. Protact who had near no solid voter base till the last 4 hours went from a very low amount of votes to just missing an elected spot. Those two had voter surges, I did not. All the reasoning for those 3 people voting me near the end of the day were all posted within the thread as well. You are right that we cannot forget what we learned day 1 and into night 1. Mafia is pissed at the mason situation. Town is moderately so, however you can immediately tell a player like wiggles is town based on how he is aiming to fix the situation. Not only that he is attempting to turn it into a group of scumhunters that the mafia has to risk infiltrating to fuck with (thus potentially losing one or more of their own members) or give up the idea of infilitrating it and letting town have an exclusive spot to talk. Are their issues with wiggles plan? Yes, however it is clearly more pro town than players saying "lets trust people with near no experience with pms to use them properly" Forcing people who can do damage or make massive gains for the town accountable for their actions and able to be analyzed properly is far more pro town than letting people work around in the dark with no guidance or real "negative" to fucking up in pm's. By forcing people to operate in the public eye with a far more insidious role than most hinders mafia, benefits town, and also created a topic of discussion day 1 that is not rehashing old games. This is a polarizing discussion. Through it, regardless of what some people may try to convince you, a ton of information was placed upon a large majority of the active player base. Did some players skirt by without posting? Why yes they did, you are one of them who did dick all day 1. However, every game possess; players who will skirt by doing the bare minimum who will never join in on a discussion unless near forced to by mods, or by being actively called out / put up for lynch or vig shot. That is the nature of the game. However, the "active" players who comment badly on major topics but do near nothing else in the thread are typically scum being told to join in on a discussion. Is this always true? no, but it is a good starting ground. Everyone can look back at day 1 and realize that the mason discussion did in fact take up most of the day, however near everyone should also see how many people actively sharing opinions that gave a huge amount of information that we would otherwise not have had. You can argue that had I not done what I had that the same amount or more information would be garnered, but till my claim how much solid information had been produced on any player aside from "x is good, but if hes elected and mafia it could be bad, etc..." Day 1 mafia games need elections to kickstart discussion, however it is near down to a formula that catching reds is far harder unless one slips up hard. By forcing people to participate in a discussion that opinions will clearly show a mafia or town bias, the chances of slipping up are far higher. people can argue till the town comes home if I made the right move or not and that is fine however what is done is done and their is now a ton of information people can use as a starting ground to work with. Now onto current shite. BG names were encrypted and given out into seperate pieces. In the case both bgs are red and Myself / bm or myself on my own or bm on his own die, you will now have people able to give the bg names out to get them killed. If people are afraid that it was possible I was linked to two reds, if the bgs both die instantly you will have 4 people who will have known the information. either myself or bm as red, or both people I gave the encrypted info to. However in the case both bgs die, it is far more likely that the reds are the two people I gave information to than myself or bm. Why? Because if either of us is red, or if both of us are red, town bgs protect us and we would have no reason to off them fast. This is obviously wifom, but you get the idea. Veteran well known players need to shape up, now. Palmar was lynched because of his play. If you join a game this size and intend on trolling or contributing very little useful information chances are you are going to be pegged as scum and dealt with as such. Vets should know better than to create an atmosphere that mafia can hide in, palmar was doing just that. Kurumi is also guilty of this, regardless of if he does it frequently or not. All people that fw chose to not replace who are not modkilled, post. Kingjames is posting now and has yet to inform us as to where he was for 48 hours without posting, why he didnt vote, and why he is solely centered on continuing the mason debate while ignoring almost every other event that happened in the thread? I will quote a few posts of kingjames to give everyone an idea of why he would make an excellent lynch target for this coming day On January 14 2012 00:53 kingjames01 wrote: First, there are only 2 Bodyguards. Second, I agree with you about Jackal's comment about lynching a Bodyguard. Third, you're actually agreeing with me in essence. I'm saying that if they sneak in a Bodyguard, it will be risky to take out the elected officials. However, to make it harder for them, they should be revealed from the beginning. What if both elected officials are killed and we have 0 clue as to who the Bodyguards were? Are you okay with that risk? Finally, are you stating for the record that if you were elected, you would not reveal your Bodyguards? See this post everyone? He is advocating the divulging of "blue roles" I put that in quotations as they could be red. He also makes a point on saying that hes fine with lynching a bodyguard to prevent mafia from taking the role.(note that jackal just wanted the threat there, not actually doing it unless there was reason to) Why would you do this? Outing their names in thread or saying you will lynch one only gets bgs offed and makes the mayor/sheriff more vulnerable. Thankfully I figured out an alternative and acted on it that didn't require giving mafia the ability to snipe the bgs at no cost or suspicion as we were nice enough to hand them out. On January 14 2012 09:08 kingjames01 wrote: Alright, I've been at work all day and it's taken me quite a while to catch up in the reading. I'm going to reiterate, that I support the Bodyguards being made public. There was a point raised earlier which suggested that if this plan were carried through, the elected officials would be more vulnerable. I don't think that is the case. I have already stated my reasoning but here is the idea again. If at least one of the Bodyguards is Town, then they player has to die before our Mayor and/or Sheriff are vulnerable. If both Bodyguards die, everyone will be on guard and can then start to protect the elected officials. If at most one dies, then the Mayor and/or Sheriff are still safe. Why? Because the mafia will have to trade at least one of their own to kill the Mayor and/or Sheriff. Next, I think the Mass Mason Roleclaim is a terrible plan. The mafia know the roles of 10 players out of 50, namely, their own players. If all of the Masons claim, then they know the roles of more players in the game. If they can, they will target our powerful Blue roles, like Town Jack, Medic, Detective. Why are you guys okay with helping them to narrow down their targets? Contradiction in this post insanely. He is fine with outing the bgs that could be either mafia or town (and they protect the sheriff/mayor who could be town/town, mafia/town, or mafia and mafia) But is against another role that could be either alignment that could do an insane amount of damage to the town in mafia hands hidden away. His argument is mafia would know more players in the game and narrow their shots down, guess what, so does handing out the bgs. Note he also calls the mass mason roleclaim a terrible plan. Yet when he returns from his 48 hour absence all he can talk about is how he thinks either i or bm is mafia, and the terrible mason plan that he had already said his piece on. He doesn't analyze any player. He concentrates solely on me. Read his last post before he vanished for 48 hours On January 14 2012 09:14 kingjames01 wrote: Also, consider for the moment, that BC may be mafia Jack. If he uses his Mason power on Day 1 to establish his credibility and then is subsequently elected to office, we will not be able to find the mafia Jack. It is a risk, but I know that BC will take that risk. He is very much a medium-risk, high-reward player. EVERYONE! WHAT HAPPENS IF BLOODYC0BBLER IS MAFIA JACK? I consider this scenario involving BC to be within his bag of tricks, and I will not vote to elect him into office. Given his extreme distrust of me here and his refusal to vote for me (didnt vote for anyone at all) you would think given the entire days worth of posting he would opt to push specifically at me when he returned, or analyzed me extensively. Instead he opted to suggest 1 of 2 people could be red, attempt to shut down a pro town idea, request the names of the bgs. 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On January 16 2012 09:26 wherebugsgo wrote: sandro is probable scum unless he does something tomorrow. He's so far been useless and his idea about the mass mason claim was stupid. Protac I think is scum based on how he switched lynch targets. He/they switched as it was convenient, to macpo. Bum, I'm unsure of so far (haven't read through his posts thoroughly tbh). From the initial read I was getting, townish. However, I don't think I've given him as much attention as I should have. I will reread the thread again a couple more times with the flip in mind. BC, I'm leaning pretty town. The only thing that's unsettling is how little he said about Palmar before lynching him, but I'm fine with the lynch and I wasn't really set off about anything else BC has done. The thing about the Palmar flip is that it makes people like zeks, opz, and several others look bad. Lanaia looks bad as well; she has not commented on anything concrete and so far has had no scum reads. It looks rather similar to her play from XLVII. At any rate, I still want thoughts from people on Protac and opz. Sandro/zeks/Lanaia thoughts would be nice too. Strong scumread on protac at the moment based on his behaviour in thread. My opinion of him will obviously be skewed given that he has analyzed me and I have (IMO) have basically proven him false but due to the nature of how he chose to attack me leads me to believe he is red. Opz is currently a neutral read for me, will require more information as overall he has been quiet both here and in pms. zeks and lanaia need to step up as both are experienced players who know better than to lurk, and sandro needs to heavily step into this game and try. So far his behaviour here has screamed bored townie, but without any contributions I will change that to mafia. | ||
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On January 16 2012 11:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I've gone back over the thread a bit (not completely, I was more busy todayIRL than I had anticipated to be) and here are my thoughts on tomorrow's lynch. Lanaia - - as observed by others and I found to be very true upon looking myself, Lanaia has no scum reads. She mentioned liking the idea of lynching Palmar, but she never outright said she thought he was scum and she never said she thought anyone was scum. That's scummy, as we're trying to find scum here. She's also got a lot of excuses for not posting, and she dislikes all the 'fuckery' going on in-thread. Sandroba - - His claim to fame D1 was his very vocal support of the mass mason claim. I think it would have been a good idea, but I also wasn't about to try and force anyone to do anything. Sandroba was though. He also apparently made the Palmar lynch happen with BC out-of-thread (if I'm to understand correctly). Why not put a case forward like WBG? Maybe because WBG was catching flak for 'basing it all on meta?' Because he didn't want to look "scummy" like WBG perhaps? I don't know...because it was decided in private. Foolishness - - playing up his null contributions to this game, claiming he's in danger tonight for fingering mafia D1 (which might be true if he's town, but I'm guessing he's not.) Supported BM vocally and switches support to Mattchew. Remember why? That's about it. Do with that what you will guys. I'm gonna miss you. All of you. First off, if you are a jack you could theoretically save yourself, but realistically you should have been jailed. As for pushing palmar? The only experienced player of my scumreads he would fully endorse was palmar. I had a reason foolishness which I now believe was likely false, however I had a strong read on protrac on red and he really did not want me offing foolishness or protac. Keep in mind in thread people were also having issues with protrac offing me and due to the overwhelming majority I chose the player who was contributing far less than they should have while still being active. Palmar flipped miller which is good for our dts, is terrible on a whole. As another note to the lynch, I am still accountable however let me explain that I came back and had very little time to catch up on the thread before the deadline. Had I been able to take in more of the thread I most likely still would have offed protrac for his late swap who to lynch if elected, and for orchestrating such a late into the day vote swing. As I did not have a full grasp of the situation I had to choose based off the information I had before i left for work. Lets make sure today nets us a better result. | ||
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However, given that you believe that an elected official is red, why would you want the bg names so strongly, the chances of a mafia bg is far lower if you truly believe either myself or bm is red. As for my role no longer being verified? If i continue to mason yes it is. My alignment is only provable via my actions or lynch. My role is still as easy to verify as it was before. What is interesting however is that you have not voiced a single thought on what I actually did in regards to making sure bgs are outed should both myself and bm die. | ||
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On January 16 2012 11:56 VisceraEyes wrote: BC do you intend to only mason people who know what you're capable of in PMs? This is important to me for obvious reasons. What are your thoughts on Foolishness supporting Mattchew for mayor D1? Can you see town Foolishness doing this? There are a plethora of reasons why scum Foolishness could want to do this, but can you think of a reason town Foolishness would? I will either do it on people capable on pms, or on other masons should they claim. As it stands opz and I barely talk so masoning him seems unlikely for this game day. Meapak, or foolishness will most likely be the player i mason unless new information comes forward. | ||
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On January 16 2012 12:22 Protactinium wrote: Is that all you have to say about my post? That's disappointing. I haven't fully read it yet tbh, I just saw the wrong name. Your giant blocks of texts much like my own take awhile to read. | ||
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Sandroba skype messages which will contain both game and unrelated game content. + Show Spoiler + [13/01/2012 4:02:56 AM] Sandro Maculan: Yo james [13/01/2012 4:03:14 AM] Sandro Maculan: I just got a pm saying you masoned me [13/01/2012 4:03:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: -_- [13/01/2012 4:04:09 AM] Sandro Maculan: going to bed ttyl [13/01/2012 11:57:17 AM] james: rawrrrrr [13/01/2012 11:57:22 AM] james: lol [13/01/2012 11:57:33 AM] james: i wasn't up at like 4am, its all good [13/01/2012 11:57:39 AM] james: i sent my pm and went to bed [13/01/2012 1:19:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: hey you there? [13/01/2012 1:19:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: just woke up [13/01/2012 1:20:00 PM] james: that I am [13/01/2012 1:20:15 PM] james: I am now about to shoot myself in the foot, but well, i honestly think its needed [13/01/2012 1:21:03 PM] Sandro Maculan: ? [13/01/2012 1:21:07 PM] Sandro Maculan: i need to catch up [13/01/2012 1:21:12 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm on page 26 [13/01/2012 1:21:28 PM] james: oh, i am going to be using the mason mechanic [13/01/2012 1:21:30 PM] Sandro Maculan: why did you choose to mason me so early btw? [13/01/2012 1:21:31 PM] james: as a way to generate discussion [13/01/2012 1:21:32 PM] james: tbh [13/01/2012 1:21:41 PM] james: you are one of the few people I talk to frequently in games [13/01/2012 1:21:42 PM] james: or about games [13/01/2012 1:21:45 PM] james: in the last 6 months [13/01/2012 1:21:55 PM] james: of anyone else you will have a better read on me than most [13/01/2012 1:22:17 PM] Sandro Maculan: well you are a tricky one for me to read tbh [13/01/2012 1:22:25 PM] Sandro Maculan: I somehow always think you are mafia [13/01/2012 1:22:30 PM] james: most people do [13/01/2012 1:22:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: unless you are not [13/01/2012 1:22:32 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol [13/01/2012 1:22:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: this game I'm leaning town on you so far -_- [13/01/2012 1:23:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: based on something silly tbh [13/01/2012 1:23:41 PM] Sandro Maculan: like when i was typing my post of mayor campaign [13/01/2012 1:23:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: you wrote something similar [13/01/2012 1:24:04 PM] Sandro Maculan: like "mafia I'm comming for you"lol [13/01/2012 1:24:18 PM] james: lol [13/01/2012 1:24:19 PM] james: well [13/01/2012 1:24:24 PM] james: im pretty sure the post im writing now [13/01/2012 1:24:32 PM] james: will make people far easier to read [13/01/2012 1:24:37 PM] james: including myself [13/01/2012 1:24:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: k let me read the thread brb [13/01/2012 1:25:18 PM] james: i havent put it up yet [13/01/2012 1:25:25 PM] james: but as I am doing it [13/01/2012 1:25:26 PM] james: im claiming mason in thread [13/01/2012 1:25:33 PM] james: not revealing that i mason'd to you yet however [13/01/2012 1:25:46 PM] james: I am doing it purely to generate discussion and primarily get people like foolishness [13/01/2012 1:25:50 PM] james: or palmar, etc... [13/01/2012 1:25:53 PM] james: all the vets [13/01/2012 1:25:54 PM] james: to post [13/01/2012 1:25:57 PM] james: they have to [13/01/2012 1:26:02 PM] james: failure to mucks them badly [13/01/2012 1:26:17 PM] Sandro Maculan: why hide that you masoned me? [13/01/2012 1:26:35 PM] james: I'm not claiming it in the post [13/01/2012 1:26:46 PM] james: im using this post as my claim post [13/01/2012 1:26:53 PM] james: and will say I mason'd you in a one after it [13/01/2012 1:26:58 PM] james: which you can confirm [13/01/2012 1:33:32 PM] james: brb going to check on my foodstuffs [13/01/2012 1:34:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: k wait mafia can sub in all bgs [13/01/2012 1:35:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol that fucking sucks [13/01/2012 1:47:40 PM] james: and now to see how people [13/01/2012 1:47:41 PM] james: take my claim [13/01/2012 1:48:12 PM] Sandro Maculan: i can't find in the op [13/01/2012 1:48:18 PM] Sandro Maculan: how many bgs there will be [13/01/2012 1:48:21 PM] james: bgs [13/01/2012 1:48:24 PM] james: there are 2 [13/01/2012 1:48:25 PM] james: it states 2 [13/01/2012 1:48:30 PM] james: and says mafia can sub in [13/01/2012 1:48:33 PM] Sandro Maculan: i can only see mafia can sub in max 2 [13/01/2012 1:48:35 PM] james: 0 1 or 2 [13/01/2012 1:48:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah [13/01/2012 1:48:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: but where does it say it's 2 total? [13/01/2012 1:49:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: if it's only 2 that's way too fucking imba [13/01/2012 1:52:13 PM] james: worked fine in the lounge game [13/01/2012 1:52:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm going to incorporate jackal's plan [13/01/2012 1:52:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: seems good [13/01/2012 1:52:52 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'm going to lynch 1 or 0 bgs [13/01/2012 1:54:11 PM] james: well, if i dont get elected ill prob be the day 1 lynch now, however [13/01/2012 1:54:14 PM] james: if i'm not [13/01/2012 1:54:19 PM] james: mafia get to have fun dealing with me [13/01/2012 1:55:02 PM] Sandro Maculan: on one hand being mason prob makes you more likely to be mafia [13/01/2012 1:55:17 PM] james: on the other [13/01/2012 1:55:19 PM] james: if im town [13/01/2012 1:55:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: on the other hand mafia isn't likely to claim that shit [13/01/2012 1:55:27 PM] james: it limits what other masons can do [13/01/2012 1:55:31 PM] james: as in if i die and flip blue [13/01/2012 1:55:32 PM] james: other mafia go [13/01/2012 1:55:41 PM] james: "oh shit if we mason we might die" [13/01/2012 1:55:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: on an extra third alien hand it's you and you are crazy so who knows [13/01/2012 1:55:51 PM] james: as i lower the possible pool [13/01/2012 1:55:54 PM] james: im figuring [13/01/2012 1:55:59 PM] james: there are 3-4 masons at most [13/01/2012 1:56:03 PM] james: and at least 1 is red [13/01/2012 1:56:17 PM] james: by outing myself now [13/01/2012 1:56:22 PM] james: if i dont get elected [13/01/2012 1:56:33 PM] james: mafia shooting me becomes annoying as it removes the cover [13/01/2012 1:56:35 PM] james: they have for their player [13/01/2012 1:56:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: I dunno about how many masons there are [13/01/2012 1:56:45 PM] james: it also forces them potentially to waste a frame on me [13/01/2012 1:56:48 PM] james: i dont know for sure [13/01/2012 1:56:51 PM] james: im speculateing [13/01/2012 1:56:55 PM] Sandro Maculan: fw wanted a pm game so maybe there is more [13/01/2012 1:56:56 PM] james: I know fw took the lounge mafia setup [13/01/2012 1:56:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: I would think [13/01/2012 1:57:04 PM] james: and tweaked it slightly [13/01/2012 1:57:45 PM] james: do you agree it is something people should have actively discussed however? I mean, with only a select group of players being able to pm others [13/01/2012 1:58:04 PM] james: thats a huge amount of potential issues [13/01/2012 1:58:06 PM] james: late game [13/01/2012 1:58:12 PM] james: if its not dealt with early [13/01/2012 1:58:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: we should keep discussion in thread as much as possible I agree [13/01/2012 1:58:58 PM] Sandro Maculan: we can bump off ideas here and the post before you off me at night [13/01/2012 1:59:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol [13/01/2012 1:59:19 PM] james: lol [13/01/2012 1:59:23 PM] james: why would I off you [13/01/2012 1:59:36 PM] james: day 1 lynch on a complete asshole [13/01/2012 1:59:39 PM] james: or scum player [13/01/2012 2:14:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: man [13/01/2012 2:14:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: this mason claim looks promissing [13/01/2012 2:15:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: I think mason mass claim could work [13/01/2012 2:15:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: mafia will have to claim it if they ever want to use it [13/01/2012 2:15:43 PM] james: yep [13/01/2012 2:16:04 PM] Sandro Maculan: and it will generate a lot of discussion [13/01/2012 2:16:11 PM] james: the discussion is key [13/01/2012 2:16:14 PM] james: you have to have an opinion on it [13/01/2012 2:27:10 PM] Sandro Maculan: k I'm caught up [13/01/2012 2:36:54 PM] james: its an annoying read [13/01/2012 2:37:00 PM] james: like 6 pages popped up when i went to bed for 6 hours [13/01/2012 2:41:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: k let's think for a bit [13/01/2012 2:41:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: what can mafia do if masons massclaim [13/01/2012 2:42:09 PM] Sandro Maculan: they can claim alongside with the other townies [13/01/2012 2:42:11 PM] james: fuck ton more scruitiny [13/01/2012 2:42:13 PM] james: of their actions [13/01/2012 2:42:20 PM] Sandro Maculan: or hide their mason an never use it [13/01/2012 2:42:20 PM] james: they can claim to be town [13/01/2012 2:42:23 PM] james: and never use a mason use [13/01/2012 2:42:31 PM] james: which prevents them from manipulating behind scenes [13/01/2012 2:42:32 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah [13/01/2012 2:42:36 PM] james: or they claim mason [13/01/2012 2:42:44 PM] james: and potentially die as everyone will be looking at us [13/01/2012 2:42:45 PM] james: at all times [13/01/2012 2:42:48 PM] Sandro Maculan: and honesttly [13/01/2012 2:42:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: fuck masons [13/01/2012 2:42:53 PM] james: as they will have the entire mason pool [13/01/2012 2:42:56 PM] james: pretty much [13/01/2012 2:43:05 PM] james: potentially there is the chance [13/01/2012 2:43:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's not that important role to protect it from hits [13/01/2012 2:43:08 PM] james: that every mason is town [13/01/2012 2:43:17 PM] james: but how many townies [13/01/2012 2:43:20 PM] james: can actually use it well? [13/01/2012 2:43:32 PM] james: its such a high skill required role [13/01/2012 2:43:33 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah and it's nice and all [13/01/2012 2:43:36 PM] james: and in its current form [13/01/2012 2:43:38 PM] james: only benefits mafia [13/01/2012 2:43:48 PM] Sandro Maculan: but I'd rather lose a mason than any other blue [13/01/2012 2:44:01 PM] Sandro Maculan: so if mafia wants to waste kp on them be my guest [13/01/2012 2:44:05 PM] james: pretty much [13/01/2012 2:44:20 PM] Sandro Maculan: i don't see any drawbacks [13/01/2012 2:44:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: aside from a possible mason witchunt [13/01/2012 2:44:35 PM] james: why do people think [13/01/2012 2:44:36 PM] james: im relying on my role [13/01/2012 2:44:39 PM] james: to get elected? [13/01/2012 2:44:42 PM] james: i already stated [13/01/2012 2:44:45 PM] james: it doesnt matter if i do or dont [13/01/2012 2:44:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: man [13/01/2012 2:44:47 PM] james: rofl [13/01/2012 2:44:53 PM] james: i never once said [13/01/2012 2:44:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: if you are mafia fuck you [13/01/2012 2:44:58 PM] james: "im not going to get elected [13/01/2012 2:45:02 PM] james: vote for me cause im mason" [13/01/2012 2:45:02 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm almost sure you are town lol [13/01/2012 2:45:11 PM] james: i do some ballsy shit as red [13/01/2012 2:45:14 PM] james: i will give that to people [13/01/2012 2:45:17 PM] james: but out myself [13/01/2012 2:45:20 PM] james: so blatently [13/01/2012 2:45:24 PM] james: and fuck my entire team over? [13/01/2012 2:45:40 PM] james: theres no gain in that as im now so heavily in the spotlight [13/01/2012 2:45:47 PM] james: i am now more likely to get offed by town [13/01/2012 2:45:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: man [13/01/2012 2:45:59 PM] Sandro Maculan: you would prob get elected either way [13/01/2012 2:46:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: why would you ever do this as mafia [13/01/2012 2:46:08 PM] james: yea [13/01/2012 2:46:11 PM] james: also [13/01/2012 2:46:13 PM] james: cybercheese [13/01/2012 2:46:15 PM] james: and toad [13/01/2012 2:46:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: -_- [13/01/2012 2:46:17 PM] james: are shifty as fuck [13/01/2012 2:46:22 PM] james: -_- responses to my [13/01/2012 2:46:23 PM] james: claim [13/01/2012 2:46:27 PM] james: are exactly the shit i was hoping for [13/01/2012 2:46:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: i like the ciryandor case [13/01/2012 2:46:47 PM] Sandro Maculan: cyber seems shifty too [13/01/2012 2:46:48 PM] james: i want to see ciryandor post more [13/01/2012 2:46:50 PM] james: tbh [13/01/2012 2:46:54 PM] james: because he seems red [13/01/2012 2:46:57 PM] james: but due to such shitty play [13/01/2012 2:47:02 PM] james: most likely a red will coach him [13/01/2012 2:47:03 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm actually okay with toad [13/01/2012 2:47:06 PM] james: to make him sound not terrible [13/01/2012 2:47:15 PM] james: and gives me a read on his coach [13/01/2012 2:47:16 PM] james: lol [13/01/2012 2:47:22 PM] james: palmar shouldn't be this apathetic [13/01/2012 2:47:24 PM] james: as a townie [13/01/2012 2:47:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: well his saving grace is agreeing with proact [13/01/2012 2:47:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: which i also agree [13/01/2012 2:47:58 PM] Sandro Maculan: but yeah he needs to step up [13/01/2012 2:48:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'll give him time to do it on his own before I push for him [13/01/2012 2:48:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: he usually gets to posting midway through day1 if he is town [13/01/2012 2:52:42 PM] james: yea [13/01/2012 2:52:44 PM] james: this is true [13/01/2012 3:04:25 PM] Sandro Maculan: brb [13/01/2012 3:26:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol shit [13/01/2012 3:26:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: man why don't epople think like i do [13/01/2012 3:28:57 PM] james: bum saw [13/01/2012 3:29:05 PM] james: exactly the reason why id be nervous of red masons [13/01/2012 3:29:07 PM] james: from OP [13/01/2012 3:29:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: typing a post sec [13/01/2012 3:41:10 PM] Sandro Maculan: and why is that [13/01/2012 3:42:13 PM] james: they choose [13/01/2012 3:42:31 PM] james: if they fail to by end of day 1 [13/01/2012 3:42:34 PM] james: its random'd [13/01/2012 3:43:08 PM] Sandro Maculan: prb not an issue though [13/01/2012 3:43:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: why would they ever fail to choose it [13/01/2012 3:43:32 PM] james: exactly [13/01/2012 3:43:33 PM] james: lol [13/01/2012 3:44:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: i think mafia would prob have their mason(s) selected soon [13/01/2012 3:45:22 PM] Sandro Maculan: and if this movement gets strong they will quickly mason someone [13/01/2012 3:46:48 PM] james: yea [13/01/2012 3:46:50 PM] james: they will have to [13/01/2012 3:47:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: fuck man i'm liking this plan more and more [13/01/2012 3:47:43 PM] james: i was thinking on it last night [13/01/2012 3:47:45 PM] james: and like [13/01/2012 3:47:50 PM] james: I could die because of it [13/01/2012 3:47:58 PM] james: but its still so solid [13/01/2012 3:47:59 PM] james: for town [13/01/2012 3:48:06 PM] james: my death to fuck mafia in the ass with a rake? [13/01/2012 3:48:12 PM] james: seems legit trade with 40 townies [13/01/2012 3:49:14 PM] Sandro Maculan: nah man [13/01/2012 3:49:28 PM] james: there are enough big namers [13/01/2012 3:49:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: i won't let anyone important get lynched day1 [13/01/2012 3:49:30 PM] james: in this game [13/01/2012 3:49:37 PM] james: well i could easily get shot' [13/01/2012 3:49:38 PM] james: as well [13/01/2012 3:49:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: look at what happened last huge game [13/01/2012 3:49:47 PM] james: -_- i was so wrong [13/01/2012 3:49:49 PM] james: that game [13/01/2012 3:49:52 PM] james: except on a few gut shot reads [13/01/2012 3:49:56 PM] Sandro Maculan: mafia raped all vets night 1 [13/01/2012 3:50:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: we have to wait a bit for them to thin out / get medic ' ed etc before going into that pool [13/01/2012 3:50:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's the best play [13/01/2012 3:51:39 PM] james: i didnt see any downsides [13/01/2012 3:51:50 PM] james: then again i could be missing a giant hole somewhere [13/01/2012 3:59:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: nah I've thought it through [13/01/2012 4:00:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: there are no holes [13/01/2012 4:14:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol you seem quite popular now [13/01/2012 4:19:42 PM] james: haha [13/01/2012 4:19:43 PM] james: apparently [14/01/2012 1:24:40 AM] Sandro Maculan: yo [14/01/2012 1:24:45 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm back you here? [14/01/2012 1:24:54 AM] james: yea typing up a post now [14/01/2012 1:25:21 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm catching up [14/01/2012 1:25:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: still on page 40 [14/01/2012 1:25:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: and quite drunk [14/01/2012 1:26:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: wow [14/01/2012 1:26:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: proactinum thinks you are scum [14/01/2012 1:26:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: are you mafia? [14/01/2012 1:26:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: tell me I wont remember tomorrow [14/01/2012 1:26:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: i promise not to check logs [14/01/2012 1:27:17 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 1:27:17 AM] james: im not [14/01/2012 1:27:19 AM] james: protrac [14/01/2012 1:27:22 AM] james: just outed himself [14/01/2012 1:27:23 AM] james: hard [14/01/2012 1:27:23 AM] james: though [14/01/2012 1:27:27 AM] james: so fucking obvious [14/01/2012 1:27:41 AM] james: i say this because [14/01/2012 1:27:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: I really thought he was town though [14/01/2012 1:27:45 AM] james: if anyone thinks thats mystlord [14/01/2012 1:27:47 AM] james: they are dumb as hell [14/01/2012 1:27:48 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 1:27:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: from his frist post and second [14/01/2012 1:28:03 AM] james: the post against me [14/01/2012 1:28:05 AM] james: is incog [14/01/2012 1:28:11 AM] james: and incog is firmly in [14/01/2012 1:28:15 AM] james: the anti pm bandwagon [14/01/2012 1:28:15 AM] james: for town [14/01/2012 1:28:22 AM] Sandro Maculan: no [14/01/2012 1:28:25 AM] james: no i mean [14/01/2012 1:28:27 AM] Sandro Maculan: he is against the anti pm [14/01/2012 1:28:29 AM] james: if you talk to him [14/01/2012 1:28:33 AM] james: outside of this game [14/01/2012 1:28:35 AM] Sandro Maculan: he thinkis you are for it [14/01/2012 1:28:37 AM] james: he hates pm [14/01/2012 1:28:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: and thus mafia [14/01/2012 1:28:45 AM] james: which is how he outed himself [14/01/2012 1:28:54 AM] james: his belief in people properly using pms [14/01/2012 1:28:55 AM] james: is fucking horrid [14/01/2012 1:29:02 AM] james: fw [14/01/2012 1:29:04 AM] james: and I [14/01/2012 1:29:06 AM] james: are the top 2 people [14/01/2012 1:29:08 AM] james: who like pms [14/01/2012 1:29:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: man [14/01/2012 1:29:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: this discussion [14/01/2012 1:29:13 AM] james: in general [14/01/2012 1:29:15 AM] james: i hate masons [14/01/2012 1:29:19 AM] Sandro Maculan: is fucking useless day1 [14/01/2012 1:29:21 AM] james: nah [14/01/2012 1:29:24 AM] james: incog [14/01/2012 1:29:25 AM] james: just [14/01/2012 1:29:26 AM] james: outed himself [14/01/2012 1:29:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: maybe he is mafia for not realising that [14/01/2012 1:29:31 AM] james: to me anyway [14/01/2012 1:29:35 AM] james: to me [14/01/2012 1:29:39 AM] james: thats a hugeeeee [14/01/2012 1:29:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: vets are going to get shot the fuck out [14/01/2012 1:29:40 AM] james: bit [14/01/2012 1:29:41 AM] james: also [14/01/2012 1:29:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: fast [14/01/2012 1:29:43 AM] james: adam [14/01/2012 1:29:45 AM] james: + wbg [14/01/2012 1:29:48 AM] james: link to protrac [14/01/2012 1:29:51 AM] james: so does ciryandor [14/01/2012 1:29:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: ? [14/01/2012 1:29:57 AM] james: do i think all are red? no [14/01/2012 1:29:59 AM] james: but they all link [14/01/2012 1:30:08 AM] james: protrac has done nothing to garner votes [14/01/2012 1:30:09 AM] james: but tunnel people [14/01/2012 1:30:09 AM] Sandro Maculan: man [14/01/2012 1:30:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: protact [14/01/2012 1:30:16 AM] james: first people to jump on his nuts [14/01/2012 1:30:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: if he is mafia he has balls [14/01/2012 1:30:20 AM] james: with 0 grounds [14/01/2012 1:30:23 AM] james: well [14/01/2012 1:30:25 AM] james: it is incog [14/01/2012 1:30:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: he is the most out there mothefucker [14/01/2012 1:30:45 AM] Sandro Maculan: you + him are my strongest town reads atm [14/01/2012 1:30:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: balss =/= mafia [14/01/2012 1:31:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: even you when red you play more conservatively [14/01/2012 1:31:31 AM] Sandro Maculan: of course i can be fooled and mistaken [14/01/2012 1:31:38 AM] Sandro Maculan: but i gotta go with my guts [14/01/2012 1:31:49 AM] Sandro Maculan: and they say you plus him are town right now [14/01/2012 1:38:25 AM] james: i appreciate that, I now have to dig [14/01/2012 1:38:29 AM] james: through friggen aim logs [14/01/2012 1:38:29 AM] james: on incog [14/01/2012 1:38:32 AM] james: fuuuuck [14/01/2012 1:39:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: ? [14/01/2012 1:39:29 AM] james: to quote his view [14/01/2012 1:39:30 AM] james: of pms [14/01/2012 1:39:31 AM] Sandro Maculan: he masoned you too?\ [14/01/2012 1:40:00 AM] Sandro Maculan: just made a beatiful post [14/01/2012 1:40:02 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm quite proud of it [14/01/2012 1:59:06 AM] james: the obvious drunk post? [14/01/2012 1:59:17 AM] Sandro Maculan: man [14/01/2012 1:59:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: it all makes sense [14/01/2012 1:59:33 AM] Sandro Maculan: being drunk is very enlightening [14/01/2012 2:00:13 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 2:00:28 AM] Sandro Maculan: seriously [14/01/2012 2:00:29 AM] james: more like it makes everything more fun [14/01/2012 2:00:57 AM] Sandro Maculan: are you still playing lol btw? [14/01/2012 2:01:05 AM] james: eh not really [14/01/2012 2:01:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: been some time since i last messed with it [14/01/2012 2:01:08 AM] james: star wars has stolen my time [14/01/2012 2:01:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: haven't had the time [14/01/2012 2:01:23 AM] james: play so much star wars now [14/01/2012 2:01:33 AM] Sandro Maculan: man [14/01/2012 2:01:48 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm studying human behavior [14/01/2012 2:01:54 AM] james: that sounds useful [14/01/2012 2:02:04 AM] Sandro Maculan: and chicks were never that easy [14/01/2012 2:02:27 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm lacking time to foucs on other shit [14/01/2012 2:03:03 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 2:03:05 AM] james: chicks are dumb [14/01/2012 2:03:11 AM] james: booze = make them easy [14/01/2012 2:03:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: nah man [14/01/2012 2:03:33 AM] Sandro Maculan: they are like dogs [14/01/2012 2:03:40 AM] Sandro Maculan: they respond to standard shit [14/01/2012 2:03:58 AM] Sandro Maculan: if you behave a certain way they jump on you [14/01/2012 2:05:21 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 2:05:28 AM] james: and sandro is manipulating teh womenzorz [14/01/2012 2:05:32 AM] james: to spread legs [14/01/2012 2:07:05 AM] Sandro Maculan: it's pretty exciting if you ask me [14/01/2012 2:07:14 AM] james: hahaha [14/01/2012 2:07:15 AM] james: aye [14/01/2012 2:07:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: =P [14/01/2012 2:08:15 AM] Sandro Maculan: man where the fuck is l [14/01/2012 2:08:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: is he supposed to be really good? [14/01/2012 2:08:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: isn't [14/01/2012 2:09:02 AM] Sandro Maculan: fucking mafia always kills me b4 i get a chance to do anything [14/01/2012 2:10:53 AM] james: L is an oldschool vet [14/01/2012 2:10:59 AM] james: who is usually meh town [14/01/2012 2:11:02 AM] james: and solid mafia [14/01/2012 2:11:05 AM] james: the thing is [14/01/2012 2:11:06 AM] james: in this setup [14/01/2012 2:11:13 AM] james: the only people who excel at pms [14/01/2012 2:11:22 AM] james: would all fuck town sideways as red [14/01/2012 2:11:23 AM] james: in pms [14/01/2012 2:11:36 AM] james: if anyone of them is red, regardless of who the red mason is [14/01/2012 2:11:41 AM] james: pms can be easy crafted [14/01/2012 2:11:46 AM] Sandro Maculan: who would those be? [14/01/2012 2:12:05 AM] james: incog, myself, meapak should be able to, L [14/01/2012 2:12:06 AM] Sandro Maculan: only you and rafiled have fucked me over pms so far [14/01/2012 2:12:09 AM] james: bum should be able to [14/01/2012 2:12:21 AM] james: d3 should be able to [14/01/2012 2:12:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: d3? [14/01/2012 2:12:33 AM] james: d3_crentia [14/01/2012 2:12:37 AM] james: hes played for ages] [14/01/2012 2:12:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: never heard of him [14/01/2012 2:12:42 AM] james: was in the latest lounge mafia game [14/01/2012 2:12:49 AM] james: where he got manhandeled in pms [14/01/2012 2:12:51 AM] james: and irl [14/01/2012 2:12:56 AM] james: by his betters [14/01/2012 2:13:01 AM] james: but his ability to play [14/01/2012 2:13:05 AM] james: is far above most of tls members [14/01/2012 2:13:06 AM] Sandro Maculan: man [14/01/2012 2:13:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: i think you have to really like being mafia to be good at it [14/01/2012 2:13:29 AM] james: at pm manipulation? [14/01/2012 2:13:36 AM] Sandro Maculan: like when i roll mafia I feel like giving up [14/01/2012 2:13:38 AM] james: the "core" group of vets [14/01/2012 2:13:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: like mafia xlviii [14/01/2012 2:13:43 AM] james: who can manipulate learned it [14/01/2012 2:13:52 AM] james: via testing eachother like mad [14/01/2012 2:13:54 AM] james: in pm circles [14/01/2012 2:13:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: i don't even like winning as mafia [14/01/2012 2:13:56 AM] james: to play find the red [14/01/2012 2:14:00 AM] Sandro Maculan: doesn't feel as good [14/01/2012 2:14:05 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 2:14:10 AM] james: i like proving [14/01/2012 2:14:15 AM] james: tl towns are bad when im red [14/01/2012 2:14:22 AM] james: since tl towns win a game using shitty reasoning [14/01/2012 2:14:24 AM] Sandro Maculan: i like proving they are good! [14/01/2012 2:14:27 AM] Sandro Maculan: =P [14/01/2012 2:14:33 AM] james: and keep doing it because it fluked once [14/01/2012 2:14:35 AM] james: or twice [14/01/2012 2:14:38 AM] james: then a vet come sin [14/01/2012 2:14:40 AM] james: and goes [14/01/2012 2:14:44 AM] james: "rawrrrr raped you hard" [14/01/2012 2:14:57 AM] james: then town doesnt learn -_- [14/01/2012 2:14:58 AM] james: other than [14/01/2012 2:15:00 AM] james: vets = op [14/01/2012 2:15:01 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 2:15:03 AM] Sandro Maculan: hmm you hurt my ego by saying that [14/01/2012 2:15:10 AM] james: your an exception [14/01/2012 2:15:14 AM] james: but like [14/01/2012 2:15:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: i like to think we are pretty decent =P [14/01/2012 2:15:18 AM] james: you can see what I mean right? [14/01/2012 2:15:25 AM] james: that faultly reasoning is getting used [14/01/2012 2:15:27 AM] james: frequently [14/01/2012 2:15:30 AM] james: by the same people? [14/01/2012 2:15:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah i ignore 80% of people's opinions in game [14/01/2012 2:15:53 AM] Sandro Maculan: some players i don't even bother to read what they post [14/01/2012 2:16:04 AM] Sandro Maculan: but there are some that i can really tell apart [14/01/2012 2:16:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: if you are bad as town it feels like it's too easy to be mafia [14/01/2012 2:16:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: cuz no one expects any better from you [14/01/2012 2:17:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: so whenever i roll mafia it's like a burden [14/01/2012 2:17:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: and when i roll town it's like vacations =) [14/01/2012 2:18:17 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 2:18:23 AM] james: i view being mafia a challenge [14/01/2012 2:18:37 AM] james: and honestly have learned more by being red [14/01/2012 2:18:38 AM] Sandro Maculan: dunno [14/01/2012 2:18:39 AM] james: than from town [14/01/2012 2:18:43 AM] Sandro Maculan: i view town as a challenge [14/01/2012 2:18:50 AM] Sandro Maculan: nailing scum feels so good [14/01/2012 2:18:55 AM] james: oh it does [14/01/2012 2:19:01 AM] james: pyp3 was the more infuriating / gratifying experience [14/01/2012 2:19:04 AM] james: i have had as town [14/01/2012 2:19:07 AM] james: nailed every red [14/01/2012 2:19:10 AM] james: traitor [14/01/2012 2:19:12 AM] james: and both sk's [14/01/2012 2:19:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah you feel like a boss\ [14/01/2012 2:19:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: most games i do okay [14/01/2012 2:19:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: I get good day1 reads and after i realise I was right i fell so good [14/01/2012 2:20:03 AM] Sandro Maculan: it's awesome [14/01/2012 2:20:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: when mafia i just feel people were fools not to catch me [14/01/2012 2:21:00 AM] james: eh [14/01/2012 2:21:13 AM] james: im always surprised when im not catched [14/01/2012 2:21:18 AM] james: although My style ensures i die [14/01/2012 2:21:19 AM] james: always [14/01/2012 2:21:57 AM] Sandro Maculan: next time i roll mafia [14/01/2012 2:22:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm going to be the summiest mofo on earth and not give a fuck [14/01/2012 2:22:49 AM] Sandro Maculan: like my first games i didn't care what people would think [14/01/2012 2:23:40 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 2:23:44 AM] james: good policy [14/01/2012 2:23:58 AM] Sandro Maculan: man seriously [14/01/2012 2:24:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: why would people not vote for me [14/01/2012 2:24:21 AM] james: your not being the typical convincing roba [14/01/2012 2:24:22 AM] Sandro Maculan: so far i got like 1 vote [14/01/2012 2:24:25 AM] james: you appear really halfassed [14/01/2012 2:24:27 AM] james: so far in thread [14/01/2012 2:24:31 AM] Sandro Maculan: lol [14/01/2012 2:24:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: that's the typical me [14/01/2012 2:24:43 AM] james: or that you are making the round of running for office [14/01/2012 2:24:45 AM] Sandro Maculan: i don't care for walls [14/01/2012 2:24:46 AM] james: with 0 effort [14/01/2012 2:24:47 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 2:27:53 AM] Sandro Maculan: hmmm [14/01/2012 2:28:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: i think i put in effort when it's needed [14/01/2012 2:28:10 AM] Sandro Maculan: i don't like discussing random shit that leads nowhere [14/01/2012 2:29:26 AM] james: didnt you use to post more, or is it that we just talk alot that i assume you do? lol [14/01/2012 2:29:37 AM] james: also brb [14/01/2012 2:30:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: the time i dedicate to mafia is proportional of the time I'm at home doing nothing [14/01/2012 2:30:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: so yeah when there is less good shit to do i post more [14/01/2012 2:32:15 AM] james: lol [14/01/2012 2:48:59 AM] james: that post was more boss [14/01/2012 2:49:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: =) [14/01/2012 2:56:32 AM] Sandro Maculan: fuck palmar man [14/01/2012 2:56:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: he is taking too long [14/01/2012 2:56:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: maybe he is mafia [14/01/2012 2:58:08 AM] james: hes realllllly apathetic this game [14/01/2012 2:58:10 AM] james: for some reason [14/01/2012 2:58:12 AM] james: not like gms game [14/01/2012 2:58:13 AM] james: at all [14/01/2012 3:00:28 AM] Sandro Maculan: rofl [14/01/2012 3:00:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: did you watch [14/01/2012 3:00:48 AM] Sandro Maculan: the uszat dude interviewing players? [14/01/2012 3:06:28 AM] james: nope [14/01/2012 3:06:33 AM] james: i rarely watch streams or vids on tl now [14/01/2012 3:06:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: rfo [14/01/2012 3:07:00 AM] james: rfo? [14/01/2012 3:07:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: rofl [14/01/2012 3:07:15 AM] Sandro Maculan: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303115#6 [14/01/2012 3:07:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: watch this [14/01/2012 3:07:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: will not dissapoint [14/01/2012 3:14:15 AM] james: thats carmac trolling people? rofl [14/01/2012 3:14:55 AM] james: or someone that carmac [14/01/2012 3:14:59 AM] james: just found vids of? [14/01/2012 3:37:35 AM] james: and heading to bed, ttyl [14/01/2012 3:06:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: man I have 1 hour before i go out again and need to catch up [14/01/2012 3:06:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: you here? [14/01/2012 3:07:17 PM] james: -_- [14/01/2012 3:07:18 PM] james: ve claimed jack [14/01/2012 3:07:24 PM] james: mattchew was modkilled [14/01/2012 3:07:25 PM] james: for being a dumbfuck [14/01/2012 3:07:32 PM] james: we are no where closer to getting shit solved [14/01/2012 3:07:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: I', still on page 50 =( [14/01/2012 3:07:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: and don't quite remember last night [14/01/2012 3:07:51 PM] james: you were kinda drunk [14/01/2012 3:07:54 PM] james: drunk man mc drunk [14/01/2012 3:08:01 PM] Sandro Maculan: i was kinda totally drunk [14/01/2012 3:08:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: out of my mind [14/01/2012 3:08:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: =P [14/01/2012 3:08:16 PM] james: lol [14/01/2012 3:08:21 PM] james: thats not normal? [14/01/2012 3:08:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's quite standard for my weekends =P [14/01/2012 3:08:45 PM] james: lol [14/01/2012 3:08:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: i do enjoy my vodka [14/01/2012 3:12:09 PM] Sandro Maculan: who are you lynching btw [14/01/2012 3:12:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: i need to vote cuz i won't have the time later [14/01/2012 3:17:17 PM] james: most likely incog [14/01/2012 3:17:21 PM] james: unless someone fucks up in thread [14/01/2012 3:17:23 PM] james: between now and then [14/01/2012 3:17:32 PM] james: 3 posts since the start of a game day [14/01/2012 3:17:34 PM] james: is inexcusable [14/01/2012 3:17:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: -_- [14/01/2012 3:17:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: then I'm not voting for you [14/01/2012 3:17:50 PM] james: where 1 was a purposeful misrepresentation of facts [14/01/2012 3:17:55 PM] james: and continued a discussion round me [14/01/2012 3:17:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's quite silly to lynch him day1 man [14/01/2012 3:17:59 PM] james: as opposed to around masons [14/01/2012 3:18:00 PM] james: eh [14/01/2012 3:18:09 PM] james: take you rpick, its him or foolishness [14/01/2012 3:18:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: and he ddoesn't seem to give a fuck [14/01/2012 3:18:14 PM] james: both are performing badly [14/01/2012 3:18:16 PM] james: there are 2 [14/01/2012 3:18:17 PM] Sandro Maculan: which is a townie trait [14/01/2012 3:18:17 PM] james: fucking people [14/01/2012 3:18:18 PM] james: on [14/01/2012 3:18:19 PM] james: 1 [14/01/2012 3:18:20 PM] james: account [14/01/2012 3:18:27 PM] james: 3 posts [14/01/2012 3:18:30 PM] james: is totaly inexcusable [14/01/2012 3:18:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: well sure [14/01/2012 3:18:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: let's give him one more day and watch him closely [14/01/2012 3:18:52 PM] james: given that he has not contributed anything and is solely being disruptive? [14/01/2012 3:19:00 PM] james: and foolishness? who openly admitted [14/01/2012 3:19:02 PM] Sandro Maculan: lynching him day1 is an statistical mistake [14/01/2012 3:19:07 PM] james: that he wants a mayor in power [14/01/2012 3:19:08 PM] james: that he can manipulate? [14/01/2012 3:19:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: man even so [14/01/2012 3:19:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: that's not something mafia would say openly [14/01/2012 3:19:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's like your claim [14/01/2012 3:19:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: it draws suspcion onto you [14/01/2012 3:19:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: which makes you less likely mafia [14/01/2012 3:20:22 PM] james: foolishness [14/01/2012 3:20:24 PM] james: didnt say it openly [14/01/2012 3:20:26 PM] james: he said it in pms [14/01/2012 3:20:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: let's wait for day 2 to lynch those guys [14/01/2012 3:20:29 PM] james: and his mason [14/01/2012 3:20:32 PM] james: gave out the pms [14/01/2012 3:20:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: chances are if they are town mafia will shoot them regardless of how suspicious they are [14/01/2012 3:20:46 PM] james: had mattchew not shared his pms before modkilled [14/01/2012 3:20:48 PM] james: no one would have known [14/01/2012 3:20:51 PM] james: possibly [14/01/2012 3:21:01 PM] james: near no one has posted though [14/01/2012 3:21:07 PM] james: primarily only known names [14/01/2012 3:21:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm guilty of that too [14/01/2012 3:21:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: i have no time on weekends [14/01/2012 3:21:48 PM] james: haha [14/01/2012 3:21:58 PM] james: of the people who have posted day 1 [14/01/2012 3:22:02 PM] james: both of them are the most suspicious to me [14/01/2012 3:22:06 PM] james: palmar is a handicap [14/01/2012 3:22:10 PM] james: kurumi is trolling [14/01/2012 3:22:15 PM] james: as kurumi always does [14/01/2012 3:22:27 PM] james: the only "neutral" lynch i have is him [14/01/2012 3:22:29 PM] james: for doing fuck all [14/01/2012 3:22:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: kurumi trolls way less as mafia [14/01/2012 3:22:39 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's a pretty good tell on him [14/01/2012 3:22:40 PM] james: the only troll i abide by [14/01/2012 3:22:42 PM] james: is chez [14/01/2012 3:22:43 PM] james: lol [14/01/2012 3:22:46 PM] Sandro Maculan: sure [14/01/2012 3:22:48 PM] james: he actually contributes [14/01/2012 3:22:51 PM] james: as a troll [14/01/2012 3:23:10 PM] Sandro Maculan: kurumi is disrupitive, but if he is trolling a lot chances are he is town [14/01/2012 3:24:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: we have to lynch not likely day1 targets [14/01/2012 3:24:15 PM] Sandro Maculan: like cc and ciry [14/01/2012 3:24:30 PM] Sandro Maculan: high chance to flip mafia and low chance to get shot if town [14/01/2012 3:24:39 PM] Sandro Maculan: and we have to deal with them at some point [14/01/2012 3:26:13 PM] james: eeh both have high chances [14/01/2012 3:26:19 PM] james: of being shot [14/01/2012 3:26:20 PM] james: atm imo [14/01/2012 3:27:04 PM] Sandro Maculan: being shot by who? [14/01/2012 3:27:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: vigis? [14/01/2012 3:27:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: dunno vigis normally like to save it for later [14/01/2012 3:28:34 PM] james: ve claims hes shooting cc [14/01/2012 3:28:36 PM] james: or was anyway [14/01/2012 3:31:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: what [14/01/2012 3:32:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'm still on page 58 [14/01/2012 3:32:15 PM] Sandro Maculan: why did he claim who he is shooting [14/01/2012 3:32:23 PM] Sandro Maculan: and why did he claim in the first palce? [14/01/2012 3:33:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: rofl [14/01/2012 3:33:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: seriously [14/01/2012 3:33:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: he cclaims jack and doesn't eve know how it works [14/01/2012 3:33:52 PM] Sandro Maculan: -_- [14/01/2012 3:35:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: I want to vote for you cuz i don't really like the other options besides protact [14/01/2012 3:35:44 PM] james: yea [14/01/2012 3:35:47 PM] james: lol [14/01/2012 3:35:48 PM] james: see [14/01/2012 3:35:53 PM] Sandro Maculan: but he wants to lynch you and you him [14/01/2012 3:35:57 PM] james: eh [14/01/2012 3:36:02 PM] james: i have a list of like 4 people [14/01/2012 3:36:03 PM] Sandro Maculan: that's dumb as fuck =P [14/01/2012 3:36:04 PM] james: id lynch [14/01/2012 3:36:06 PM] james: tbh [14/01/2012 3:36:10 PM] james: he went for me [14/01/2012 3:36:14 PM] james: on the shadiest shit [14/01/2012 3:36:15 PM] james: in the world [14/01/2012 3:36:19 PM] james: incog reads the OP's [14/01/2012 3:36:21 PM] james: carefully [14/01/2012 3:36:23 PM] james: and he misread it [14/01/2012 3:36:28 PM] james: needed to pull a post I made [14/01/2012 3:36:31 PM] james: outside of the game [14/01/2012 3:36:35 PM] james: that he misrepresented? [14/01/2012 3:36:42 PM] james: theres no way in hell [14/01/2012 3:36:45 PM] james: thats a town incog [14/01/2012 3:36:47 PM] james: he knows better [14/01/2012 3:36:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: he's pretty good mafia then [14/01/2012 3:37:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: cuz i got a strong town lean on him [14/01/2012 3:37:10 PM] james: he has 3 posts [14/01/2012 3:37:14 PM] Sandro Maculan: based on the way he posts his shit [14/01/2012 3:37:14 PM] james: and has support [14/01/2012 3:37:16 PM] james: on a stance of [14/01/2012 3:37:24 PM] james: "ill lynch ciryandor" into "ill lynch bc" [14/01/2012 3:37:31 PM] james: he posts [14/01/2012 3:37:34 PM] james: analysis posts [14/01/2012 3:37:42 PM] james: mafia thats easy to do [14/01/2012 3:37:47 PM] james: he fucks up day 1 [14/01/2012 3:37:52 PM] james: whoops day 1 analysis dudes [14/01/2012 3:37:54 PM] james: my bad [14/01/2012 3:38:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: k if you really have a good case on him being scum and get elected you can push it day2 since you will be alive [14/01/2012 3:38:56 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'll vote for you if you don't lynch into vets day1 [14/01/2012 3:39:48 PM] james: and who would you recommend? [14/01/2012 3:39:53 PM] james: a random non talker? [14/01/2012 3:39:57 PM] james: which we have a million of [14/01/2012 3:40:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: i'd recomend a flip between one of your bgs [14/01/2012 3:40:15 PM] Sandro Maculan: and ciryandor [14/01/2012 3:40:30 PM] Sandro Maculan: maybe you can even say in thread [14/01/2012 3:40:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: that you will lynch one of the bgs 50% of the time [14/01/2012 3:40:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: and don't even roll [14/01/2012 3:41:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: that's because mafia can sub bgs in and kill both elected roles without outing anyone [14/01/2012 3:41:23 PM] james: .................... [14/01/2012 3:41:25 PM] james: i can't [14/01/2012 3:41:26 PM] james: lynch [14/01/2012 3:41:27 PM] james: a bg [14/01/2012 3:41:35 PM] james: the mayor lynch choice [14/01/2012 3:41:37 PM] james: has to be in [14/01/2012 3:41:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: you can threaten [14/01/2012 3:41:38 PM] james: when you get [14/01/2012 3:41:40 PM] james: elected [14/01/2012 3:41:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: treathen [14/01/2012 3:41:45 PM] james: ITS FULL OF SHIT [14/01/2012 3:41:49 PM] james: bgs are chosen after lynch [14/01/2012 3:41:56 PM] james: its a god damn lie [14/01/2012 3:41:57 PM] Sandro Maculan: oh [14/01/2012 3:42:06 PM] Sandro Maculan: i didn't know that [14/01/2012 3:42:11 PM] james: fw always makes the mayor candidates [14/01/2012 3:42:14 PM] james: send in the lynch choice [14/01/2012 3:42:16 PM] james: like [14/01/2012 3:42:19 PM] james: 1 hour ahead [14/01/2012 3:42:20 PM] james: of the post [14/01/2012 3:42:30 PM] james: so that someone dies within 5 minutes of deadline [14/01/2012 3:42:36 PM] james: mafia then decides to sub in or not [14/01/2012 3:42:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol then you need to out one of your bgs to me [14/01/2012 3:42:38 PM] james: based on election results [14/01/2012 3:42:45 PM] james: was pretty sure [14/01/2012 3:42:50 PM] james: that I was going to do a cipher [14/01/2012 3:42:57 PM] james: and hand 1 half to you, and the other half elsewhere [14/01/2012 3:43:16 PM] james: in the event I die [14/01/2012 3:43:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah seems like a plan [14/01/2012 3:43:27 PM] Sandro Maculan: and tell the thread that i know [14/01/2012 3:43:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: and whoever is the other person that know [14/01/2012 3:43:37 PM] Sandro Maculan: s [14/01/2012 3:43:50 PM] james: openly telling thread who the people are [14/01/2012 3:43:53 PM] james: just means they die as well [14/01/2012 3:43:53 PM] james: kik [14/01/2012 3:43:55 PM] james: lol* [14/01/2012 3:43:58 PM] Sandro Maculan: no man [14/01/2012 3:44:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: unless you trust me and this other dude 100% [14/01/2012 3:44:24 PM] Sandro Maculan: you have to tell the thread who has the info [14/01/2012 3:44:41 PM] Sandro Maculan: not who are the bgs [14/01/2012 3:44:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: that would be dumb [14/01/2012 3:44:55 PM] james: its pretty obvious [14/01/2012 3:45:01 PM] james: who id be handing it out to [14/01/2012 3:45:19 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah the other dude that mason you [14/01/2012 3:45:25 PM] Sandro Maculan: do you trust him? [14/01/2012 3:45:46 PM] james: eh? enough with half a cipher [14/01/2012 3:46:10 PM] james: say im elected and im town + sheriff is town [14/01/2012 3:46:12 PM] james: i hand you + opz [14/01/2012 3:46:15 PM] james: the info [14/01/2012 3:46:19 PM] james: if both bgs die night 1 [14/01/2012 3:46:23 PM] james: you are both obviously red [14/01/2012 3:46:35 PM] james: if myself + sheriff die night 1 [14/01/2012 3:46:37 PM] james: both bgs are red [14/01/2012 3:46:47 PM] james: if you or opz dont come forward with the info [14/01/2012 3:46:50 PM] james: we snagged another red [14/01/2012 3:47:07 PM] james: if both bgs die while myself + sheriff are still alive [14/01/2012 3:47:12 PM] james: likely 1 of is red [14/01/2012 3:47:26 PM] james: or you and opz are [14/01/2012 3:47:27 PM] james: regardless [14/01/2012 3:47:34 PM] james: its either 1 or 2 reds [14/01/2012 3:47:41 PM] james: in the case [14/01/2012 3:47:42 PM] Sandro Maculan: man [14/01/2012 3:47:46 PM] james: and having the names out [14/01/2012 3:47:47 PM] Sandro Maculan: I can't be elected [14/01/2012 3:47:49 PM] james: works as a deterent [14/01/2012 3:47:54 PM] james: to shooting / subbing them [14/01/2012 3:47:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: I won't be here for the lynch [14/01/2012 3:48:34 PM] Sandro Maculan: yeah seems good enough [14/01/2012 3:49:22 PM] Sandro Maculan: day ends today right? [14/01/2012 3:50:29 PM] james: uh let me check [14/01/2012 3:51:02 PM] james: yea [14/01/2012 3:51:20 PM] james: aksi [14/01/2012 3:51:23 PM] james: also [14/01/2012 3:51:27 PM] james: interesting move foolishness [14/01/2012 3:51:40 PM] james: he voted me [14/01/2012 3:51:41 PM] james: not bm [14/01/2012 3:51:45 PM] Sandro Maculan: you are lynching protact 100%? [14/01/2012 3:52:13 PM] james: not 100% no [14/01/2012 3:53:12 PM] james: i have foolishness, palmar, protact, brownbear and wiggles [14/01/2012 3:53:16 PM] james: on a list of possible red vets [14/01/2012 3:53:21 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol [14/01/2012 3:53:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: i want to lynch none of those [14/01/2012 3:53:35 PM] james: most wont [14/01/2012 3:53:41 PM] james: brownbear hasn't posted that I remember [14/01/2012 3:53:47 PM] james: if i had to choose former mayor candidates [14/01/2012 3:53:50 PM] james: is shoot slardar [14/01/2012 3:53:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: bb might even get mkéd [14/01/2012 3:53:53 PM] james: but hes so obviously not red [14/01/2012 3:54:12 PM] james: so many vets have done [14/01/2012 3:54:13 PM] Sandro Maculan: tbh i don't even remember reading his posts [14/01/2012 3:54:15 PM] james: dick fuck all [14/01/2012 4:01:44 PM] Sandro Maculan: man I'll compromise don't lynch fool or incog then you get my vote [14/01/2012 4:04:25 PM] james: fine, ill agree to that [14/01/2012 4:05:49 PM] Sandro Maculan: k gotta roll [14/01/2012 4:05:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: I'd totally support palmar [14/01/2012 4:06:00 PM] Sandro Maculan: fuck him he is scum [14/01/2012 4:07:01 PM] james: lol [14/01/2012 4:17:56 PM] james: off to work be back later [12:05:56 AM] Sandro Maculan: i'm back [12:06:01 AM] Sandro Maculan: who got lynched [12:11:43 AM] james: palmar flipped miller [12:11:47 AM] james: and you almsot got modkilled i think [12:11:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah [12:12:00 AM] Sandro Maculan: just checked that [12:12:03 AM] Sandro Maculan: =/ [12:12:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: i didn't even realize there was a voting thread [12:12:23 AM] james: lol [12:12:36 AM] Sandro Maculan: i saw plenty of people voting in thread [12:12:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: and never checked [12:12:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: fucking palmar man [12:12:59 AM] james: least he was miller [12:13:07 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah [12:13:11 AM] Sandro Maculan: not as bad [12:13:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: but sitll [12:13:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: i was pretty sure he was mafia [12:14:12 AM] james: im more comfortable with my read still [12:14:14 AM] james: on incog [12:14:50 AM] Sandro Maculan: incog is my second strongest read this game [12:14:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: as town [12:14:59 AM] james: why his flop [12:15:02 AM] james: with no real reason [12:15:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: man [12:15:09 AM] james: from me [12:15:11 AM] james: to someone else? [12:15:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: i did read that [12:15:19 AM] Sandro Maculan: that's pretty normal as town [12:15:23 AM] james: nah [12:15:28 AM] james: his campaign run [12:15:30 AM] Sandro Maculan: and pretty danm wierd if e is mafia [12:15:30 AM] james: that picked up steam [12:15:32 AM] james: was offing me [12:15:41 AM] Sandro Maculan: mafia wants to keep their story straigh [12:15:50 AM] Sandro Maculan: and draw the least amount of suspicion [12:15:55 AM] james: eh? depends on the player [12:15:58 AM] Sandro Maculan: nothing about his play screams mafia [12:15:59 AM] james: doing things that are [12:16:06 AM] james: "non standard cause they are bad" [12:16:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: i read that game curu played in [12:16:13 AM] james: is a valid strat [12:16:14 AM] james: lol [12:16:21 AM] Sandro Maculan: sure [12:16:33 AM] james: vets routinely do things that are "wtfish" because they can get away with it when no one else can [12:16:34 AM] Sandro Maculan: but they neve pull it off [12:16:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: they always keep somewhat neutral [12:17:05 AM] Sandro Maculan: dunno i used to thin k that way [12:17:20 AM] Sandro Maculan: and thought you were mafia 2 games in which you were not [12:17:26 AM] james: to be fair [12:17:32 AM] james: regardless of my alignment [12:17:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: mafia behaves similarly no matter how good they are supposed to be [12:17:37 AM] james: people typically view my play [12:17:38 AM] james: as red [12:18:01 AM] Sandro Maculan: all my conspiracy theories [12:18:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: like these guy is incredible mafia and must be doing yx [12:18:22 AM] james: lol [12:18:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: always prove to be wrong [12:18:42 AM] Sandro Maculan: the simplest thing is most likely truth [12:18:52 AM] james: usually [12:18:59 AM] james: the exception is vet players [12:19:10 AM] Sandro Maculan: nah [12:19:11 AM] james: most vets dont play [12:19:13 AM] james: fucked up [12:19:14 AM] Sandro Maculan: they aren't [12:19:15 AM] james: ace does [12:19:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: that's hat i'm saying [12:19:30 AM] Sandro Maculan: even ace [12:19:31 AM] james: lol [12:19:35 AM] james: ace does ballsy shit [12:19:36 AM] james: in the open [12:19:40 AM] Sandro Maculan: acts way more calmly when mafia [12:19:47 AM] james: until you provke him [12:19:48 AM] Sandro Maculan: when town he is way more out there [12:19:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: nah man [12:20:07 AM] james: im saying from experience [12:20:13 AM] james: you can pressure him [12:20:13 AM] james: hard [12:20:18 AM] james: and by pressure i mean [12:20:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah maybe you are right [12:20:20 AM] james: argue like a champ [12:20:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: i'm saying form experience too [12:20:27 AM] james: till he gets super pissed [12:20:28 AM] james: lol [12:20:30 AM] james: it takes alot [12:20:32 AM] james: and I mean alot [12:22:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: man i need to sleep [12:22:16 AM] james: haha [12:22:17 AM] james: then crash [12:22:37 AM] Sandro Maculan: i got woken up 4 hours after i hit the sac today [12:22:57 AM] Sandro Maculan: i got home early toay cuz i was like a fucking zombie [12:23:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: gnight man [11:27:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: yo [11:27:49 AM] Sandro Maculan: can we still talk? [11:27:59 AM] Sandro Maculan: or it's only for the day? [11:29:08 AM] Sandro Maculan: fucking. hung over. [11:29:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: need. more. drinks. [5:16:33 PM] james: we can yes Opz + Show Spoiler + Lmao @all the people who don't read your posts. Original Message From BloodyC0bbler: Thoughts on the entire push by incog to a) silence the mason debate and b) pressure of me? I personally have a very negative read of him but that is off outside game reasons regarding the pm mechanic. Hide nested quote - Original Message From ~OpZ~: That's exactly what I was thinking. Not to mention that DT checks can't even clarify us. seriously if someone dt'd you and it came up mafia, someone would probably scream GF. Idk. Small thing I'm noticing is that Incog/Mystlord get a lot of support without having to post. lol. Original Message From BloodyC0bbler: with the rampant amount of games where townies give out information to mafia via pms or mafia manipulating people hardcore via them it just seems easier to make the roll near useless. If we could mason someone then talk to them all game it would be far far far better. As it isn't its near useless to town, huge pro to mafia. Original Message From ~OpZ~: I don't care much about being known publically. Whoo hoo, I'm a one day mason!! -_- Best I can do is find a dt one day, have him lie and tell me he's townie, find a medic the next day, lie and tell me he's townie. Seriously I been thinking of how to make this role work my whole day at work and I came up blank, except just playing normal. maybe everyone SHOULD just ignore pms....I used to do that all pm games I joined. lol. Original Message From BloodyC0bbler: I am generally respectful >.> generally. as for publically claiming, i don't think it means getting elected, I honestly was expecting not to once I claimed. Original Message From ~OpZ~: What are the benefits of claiming mason with you in the thread? I was considering it myself, but I personally have no reason or wish to be elected as you. It demands more activity then I'm capable of at the moment. | ||
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On January 16 2012 13:04 Toadesstern wrote: however, the fact that cyri did not support BC at all is actually promising for BC. I don't recall cyri playing so boldy as scum. Again, not something that makes sandroba look good at all. ##vote sandroba except sandro supported a cyri lynch when protrac supported it? and I believe he mentioned he supported that lynch in skype. Makes sandro look fairly decent actually. | ||
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On January 16 2012 13:30 Toadesstern wrote: I already mentioned that issue and I don't think it is one. What's the reason you wanted to show us the logs now instead of, you know, when we asked you like 24 hours ago? Because day just ended and my masoning with them is now done? I have given the logs and the names of who I mason'd and who mason'd me. The information within is still readable and usable should town desire to use it. The fact that is it is 24 hours after you would like may be annoying to you but it is still here. | ||
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On January 17 2012 11:21 Foolishness wrote: I'm referring to Macpo...you know the guy who myself and Incog called out on day 1 and then came in with a hilariously bad defense post, and has since gone afk? Not only hilariously bad, but given the nature of his previous posts, wouldn't you say it feels, Off? As in he had help? I could be reaching at straws here but it feels different than his previous posts. Almost done catching up on the thread. Anyone discussing currently to lynch protrac or sandroba, quit it. At the moment the two of them have done far more pro town behaviour this game than most of you. The case of roba is retarded beyond belief and in my head is being tunneled by people massively attempting to bury all content posted on both macpo and ggq. This could also refer to king james as he was called out early into the day. will finish catching up in a few and make more comprehensive posts. | ||
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Also, BM for trying to put suspicion on me for not masoning you? I clearly said in thread that I was not going to mason you. In fact you attempting to justify that myself or opz must be red for not masoning you is hilarious. Why? One player has already claimed in thread he would not be masoning you, the other has yet to post. This is not an admission of guilt, however, I find it interesting that you then swap over to within a few posts with no posted reasons of On January 17 2012 11:42 Bill Murray wrote: 2 people who are masons are mafia together the sandroba lynch gives us a lot of information Now? If you were so sure of me 1 post before this post, why the hell would you not keep pushing me? Opting to lynch sandro for information on MY ALIGNMENT is not an actual case for my lynch. You just called me scum yet don't want to lynch me? But instead want to lynch someone for information on me? This is blatantly scummy. A town player would push his reads, not opt to lynch someone else for information. Jumping to sandro seems a cop out. Why? Because you are hopping on a bandwagon pushed by someone else. To give a reason why you would suddenly change we get On January 17 2012 12:10 Bill Murray wrote: not close enough, apparently, I said that it was 1/5, I had a brain fart The problem here is *I* called Sandroba out d1 He was pretty slippy d1 Now, we can lynch Macpo tomorrow with the double lynch, but your Sheriff wants Sandroba today, ok, guys? For no reason for swapping from me to sandro today as you were so sure of my guilt before (off of wtf information no less) I am asking everyone NOT VOTE SANDRO. The sheriff is hopping over to a bandwagon without giving a solid post why aside from it gives information on BC. If he was so sure of my guilt as he was a mere post before that he would be gunning me, not a person already being voted for. IF he was so sure of sandro, he would have posted his agreement on the case without ever out and out accusing me of being red, period. Jackal Hi Jackal, you may remember me from such games as this one. Lets take a look at your posting history shall we. You may ask, but why are we doing that? Simple, I believe its important to bring it for all to see. On January 14 2012 11:39 Jackal58 wrote: I'm sorry Bum. I had no intention of pissing you off. You are one of my favorite people on here. this is a discussion bum and jackal were having in thread and makes up 3 of jackals posts. None are game related and all have to do with a previous game. It is not game relevant at all and serves no point to bring up in this game. On January 14 2012 11:52 Jackal58 wrote: Is this Mist or Incog posting this? And could you identify yourselves when posting please. Rather than commenting on the quality of this post, its content, he opts to ask who was posting. This is not the jackal that I have seen play before as town. Jackal is a player who will push his reads, by overlooking an entire post of content that people will either agree or disagree with he opts to not discuss that and ask an irrelevant question. On January 15 2012 00:06 Jackal58 wrote: On January 14 2012 23:23 Adam4167 wrote: Ah, OK. I assumed "Good enough for me", was your way of saying "OK, you make a good argument", when instead you meant "A meta case is 'good enough for me' to lynch him with". My mistake. While you're around, who do you like for Mayor? I have an idea which way you might go () Bum. This post is important as he is asked who he wants for mayor and he says who. He follows it up with On January 15 2012 09:05 Jackal58 wrote: Voted for Bill Murray. He never states why he made this vote, ever. It is unhelpful as the only person he had made any point to wanting in office was bum but voted with no reason for bm. On January 16 2012 01:51 Jackal58 wrote: On January 16 2012 01:22 rgTheSchworz wrote: SO he's doing a scum-move thats not a scummy move? Omg, i sense contradiction Are you two the same person?????? Posts a question that is not game relevant, hosts clear this potential issue before game start or early into first day. On January 16 2012 13:11 Jackal58 wrote: On January 16 2012 12:35 Lanaia wrote: I noticed something. BM never posted who he was incarcerating. If he were mafia, how do we think that power would be used? I'm just curious here. However, this shortens the post I'm going to be making soon. Possible, but kita's claim... Is it typical for people to claim what happened to them? Why would he? I'd be pissed if he did. This although an important point is a very weird thing to solely concentrate on. Why? Because a mere two pages before you had an analysis of king james by me, and a huge analysis post on multiple players by protrac, one of the players on that list was jackal and yet this is never responded to. Protrac reposts the analysis later in the game as it went basically ignored and once again jackal did not respond in a meaingful way. A townie jackal would not be ignoring key issues and posting on this point while ignoring the debate on who to lynch completely. After the repost, jackal responds with On January 17 2012 06:25 Jackal58 wrote: Protactinium - Sorry if I haven't jumped in anybodies shit yet but this game is full of a boatload of people I don't know. I'm attempting to reconcile the style of play from those I know with the statements and associations being made from those I don't. And I still want to know which head of the hydra is making which posts. He doesn't give his opinion on the post as a whole aside from to clarify his excuse for not doing sweet fuck all. He uses the reason there are a boatload of people he doesn't know. Guess what, there are also a large amount of people in this game HE DOES KNOW. This is a moot point as while attempting to get a read on newer players he should be trying to get them on the players he does in fact know. Jackal as a town player shows his opinions. He usually does not make large grandois posts like myself but he does post in a very opinionated way as town. Why do I say this? Lets take a quick gander from responsibility mafia, a game he was just in where he was town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295384&user=124528 is his filter from that game. On December 21 2011 12:44 Jackal58 wrote: On December 21 2011 12:33 LSB wrote: I'm against the Foolishness lynch simply because it's a bad idea to lynch a vet day 1. Typically vets are the ones shot first, so there is a high probability that even if we don't lynch a vet, the vet still won't live to see day 2. What?????? Everybody in this game has been playing here for a minimum of 6 months. Easily. And you're using this as a reason for anything???? Your reasoning is worse than VE's reasons for not lynching Annul in XXXVIII. And those were horrid. ##VOTE: LSB On December 22 2011 01:39 Jackal58 wrote: Hi Palmar. Are you making a conscious effort this game not to bully others into following the Palmar train? This is actually bothering me a little. The last 2 games I've played with you when you were town on day 1 you pushed people hard. I mean really hard. Like threatening to kill them hard. Pushing to the point of others shooting townies or blowing you up. Is that Palmar playing this game. Cause that's the townie Palmar I know and love. The one that picks a lynch target and brow beats town into voting for them. The one that screams at people to role claim or die. Ya that Palmar. Not this Palmar. I don't know this Palmar. What are you Palmar? And what have you done with townie Palmar? On December 22 2011 01:55 Jackal58 wrote: On December 22 2011 01:44 Palmar wrote: @Chaoser: If I need to say something that fits into one line I'm going to keep posting that. @Jackal58: In theory this town is less dumb than the average TL town... although I'm starting to doubt that now. I'm trying to get GM lynched. How do you like that idea? GM and Mr. Wiggles both give me the willies. LSB does to an extent as well. But LSB is due to his foolish assertion that Foolishness is too good to be lynched. We used that exact same premise to save Annul on day 1 of 48. I can't point to any one thing that GMarshall or Mr.Wiggles have posted that I can point to and say aha. But they both bother me. I supose it's for much the same reason you are bothering me. They both seem to lack that townie drive I see both of them lay with. Oh and GGQ is scummy too. On December 22 2011 06:23 Jackal58 wrote: On December 22 2011 05:55 wherebugsgo wrote: Jackal, can you explain what makes you suspicious of LSB? Simple. His reason for not wanting to lynch somebody is ludicrous. Particularly in this game. The person he chose as a bad lynch target was Foolishness. Simply because he's a vet. I'm pretty sure I saw Annul receive the same defense day 1 in 48. Ya I know I did. I did it. He has also completely ignored my comment and my vote. You know what? I do the same thing when I'm scum and a single person fos's me or votes me. I ignore it. Why draw attention to it if everybody is ignoring it? I think LSB is scum. He tries to deflect a lynch target with bs reasoning. I think the target he was deflecting from - Foolishness is also scum. Foolishness is not a person that gimps through day one as a townie. GGQ is another that has 1 real post in the game. He stated in that post that he's ok with a the case on Chezinu and would support his lynch. Except there is no case on Chez. Just some early policy lynch talk but he has no votes. Then GGQ says he would support an LSB lynch but the case is really weak but hey I'll kill him anyways but it's a bad idea. Palmar and L are either both townies or both scum. I know Palmar loves to have pissing contests with his scum buddies on day 1. I've been the other half of that duo with him before. And their argument is so fucking inane it's well within the realm of possibility they are both scum. I'm undecided on both as yet. But I'll wager whatever the one flips the other will as well. So ya right now I'd be cool with everybody consolidating their votes on LSB. He should be the first domino to fall for team red. On December 22 2011 09:46 Jackal58 wrote: On December 22 2011 09:44 Palmar wrote: The most damning thing in LSB's play is that he has not actively pushed any lynch. I haven't actually played with him on day 1 before in a game I remember (he replaced in in steamship, and while his initial case on me was wrong, it was very aggressive). But I'd expect him to be actively trying to get his number one scumread (which seems to be sandroba/curu) lynched. I also very much disagree with sandroba/curu being any kind of scummy. I actually have a pretty strong town read on them, my second strongest town read after Syllo I guess. All he did was accuse them of bandwagoning a case. ##Unvote ##Vote LSB The most damning thing on LSBs play is he hasn't tunneled RoL into fucking oblivion on day 1. And vice versa. [B]On December 22 2011 10:41 Jackal58 wrote: Nope. Not today. Today is LSB. LSB gives us info regarding people that defended him hard and soft. Your vote on GMarshall could be seen as an omgus. It can also be seen as useless. Vote LSB with me Kita. Do I seriously need to continue posting these? You get the idea. His play from one game to another is insanely different. Jackal shows confidence as a town, he pushes people, generates discussion, calls people out. None of his posts have that feel this game. He has skirted talking about any major issue, sharing any read aside from palmar and overall has not attempted in anyway to actively scumhunt or keep town focus'd on one issue. He has instead posted non game relevant info, pushed no one and was fine letting town stay in a chaotic state. Quite frankly, he is clearly red. Lets lynch this mofo. IF by some reason you guys refuse to lynch jackal, the only other choice should be macpo. He has been analyzed multiple times, he is a scum read for near everyone who mentions his name and yet people want to off other people? He is one of the strongest red reads in the game, you lynch. I feel my case on jackal is as strong, but seriously? Why are votes anywhere else. | ||
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On January 17 2012 12:51 Jitsu wrote: @BC, are you back yet, bro? Did you mason up yet? That I did. | ||
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On January 17 2012 12:35 Bill Murray wrote: Ok, guys, I've passed on the names of the BGs to the 2 masons that masoned me the other guy townslipped in PMs with me .... please tell me you encrypted the names first. | ||
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On January 17 2012 13:39 Bill Murray wrote: You could talk to me about it, and not VE QUOTE]On January 17 2012 12:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Unless I'm mistaken...I could be reading his shit out of context, and if I am then probably not - he comes across as pretty town. But if he's slipped up and told us how many masons the mafia have, then yeah, obviously he's mafia because town doesn't know how many mason the mafia have. I really don't like this from you, VE. I didn't understand what you meant at first, and when I realized you meant "how many people can they mason" I looked at the op at the mafia mason wording, and it doesn't say anything On January 17 2012 12:51 Jitsu wrote: @BC, are you back yet, bro? Did you mason up yet? I don't think he can. On January 17 2012 13:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: For all those atm trying to lynch sandro off "he made bc lynch palmar" is incorrect. The only lynch choice he liked of the ones I proposed was palmar and that was off the posting of palmar in thread at the time of the messages. Seriously, go check back and read palmars posts and you will see why. Sandro already reasonably explained this. Also, BM for trying to put suspicion on me for not masoning you? I clearly said in thread that I was not going to mason you. In fact you attempting to justify that myself or opz must be red for not masoning you is hilarious. Why? One player has already claimed in thread he would not be masoning you, the other has yet to post. This is not an admission of guilt, however, I find it interesting that you then swap over to within a few posts with no posted reasons of Now? If you were so sure of me 1 post before this post, why the hell would you not keep pushing me? Opting to lynch sandro for information on MY ALIGNMENT is not an actual case for my lynch. You just called me scum yet don't want to lynch me? But instead want to lynch someone for information on me? This is blatantly scummy. A town player would push his reads, not opt to lynch someone else for information. Jumping to sandro seems a cop out. Why? Because you are hopping on a bandwagon pushed by someone else. To give a reason why you would suddenly change we get For no reason for swapping from me to sandro today as you were so sure of my guilt before (off of wtf information no less) I am asking everyone NOT VOTE SANDRO. The sheriff is hopping over to a bandwagon without giving a solid post why aside from it gives information on BC. If he was so sure of my guilt as he was a mere post before that he would be gunning me, not a person already being voted for. IF he was so sure of sandro, he would have posted his agreement on the case without ever out and out accusing me of being red, period. Jackal Hi Jackal, you may remember me from such games as this one. Lets take a look at your posting history shall we. You may ask, but why are we doing that? Simple, I believe its important to bring it for all to see. this is a discussion bum and jackal were having in thread and makes up 3 of jackals posts. None are game related and all have to do with a previous game. It is not game relevant at all and serves no point to bring up in this game. Rather than commenting on the quality of this post, its content, he opts to ask who was posting. This is not the jackal that I have seen play before as town. Jackal is a player who will push his reads, by overlooking an entire post of content that people will either agree or disagree with he opts to not discuss that and ask an irrelevant question. This post is important as he is asked who he wants for mayor and he says who. He follows it up with He never states why he made this vote, ever. It is unhelpful as the only person he had made any point to wanting in office was bum but voted with no reason for bm. Posts a question that is not game relevant, hosts clear this potential issue before game start or early into first day. This although an important point is a very weird thing to solely concentrate on. Why? Because a mere two pages before you had an analysis of king james by me, and a huge analysis post on multiple players by protrac, one of the players on that list was jackal and yet this is never responded to. Protrac reposts the analysis later in the game as it went basically ignored and once again jackal did not respond in a meaingful way. A townie jackal would not be ignoring key issues and posting on this point while ignoring the debate on who to lynch completely. After the repost, jackal responds with He doesn't give his opinion on the post as a whole aside from to clarify his excuse for not doing sweet fuck all. He uses the reason there are a boatload of people he doesn't know. Guess what, there are also a large amount of people in this game HE DOES KNOW. This is a moot point as while attempting to get a read on newer players he should be trying to get them on the players he does in fact know. Jackal as a town player shows his opinions. He usually does not make large grandois posts like myself but he does post in a very opinionated way as town. Why do I say this? Lets take a quick gander from responsibility mafia, a game he was just in where he was town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295384&user=124528 is his filter from that game. Do I seriously need to continue posting these? You get the idea. His play from one game to another is insanely different. Jackal shows confidence as a town, he pushes people, generates discussion, calls people out. None of his posts have that feel this game. He has skirted talking about any major issue, sharing any read aside from palmar and overall has not attempted in anyway to actively scumhunt or keep town focus'd on one issue. He has instead posted non game relevant info, pushed no one and was fine letting town stay in a chaotic state. Quite frankly, he is clearly red. Lets lynch this mofo. IF by some reason you guys refuse to lynch jackal, the only other choice should be macpo. He has been analyzed multiple times, he is a scum read for near everyone who mentions his name and yet people want to off other people? He is one of the strongest red reads in the game, you lynch. I feel my case on jackal is as strong, but seriously? Why are votes anywhere else. That's not what I said AT ALL; Don't put words into my mouth What I said is I now know 2 masons that aren't you that I can confirm So that makes you/opz look bad because mattchew flipped already[/QUOTE] How does that make us look worse than them? If you so strongly believe 1 of us is red why is your vote elsewhere? Someone masoning you is not an indicator of their or the other masons alignments, actions are. | ||
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On January 17 2012 14:08 Scamp wrote: BC for the love of god, why did you think it was a good idea to post up a large case against Jackal when we already have a number of suspects to work through? because near all candidates aside from macpo are total shite? Read protracs posts, read foolishness' read mine? Do you notice how jackal is on 3, kingjames is on 3, and that although both of them have analyzed macpo I have endorsed the lynch? 3 of the top analyzers have given names of lynch targets. As such I see people voting roba and protrac like total derps. \ As for doing the large case? What do you want me to do? I was voted mayor on a stance I would lead. The direction town was taking for lynches was IMO bad, and you can tell via posts that others do as well. As such I am attempting to put the town back on course. | ||
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On January 17 2012 13:28 Foolishness wrote: READ CAREFULLY! DON'T LOSE THIS POST! REPOST MANY TIMES I am making this post as a way of compiling the thoughts of the few people in this game who are making sense and posting good analysis. A lot of it will be my own thoughts, but it's heavily based on a few people (should be obvious) who are the most transparent and the most obvious townies. 9 Mafia remaining. Here's the preliminary suspects: Macpo, GGQ, L. These are the people I feel we have the best case for and most of the transparent people in the thread seem to agree about these 3. Personally I think GGQ is town and we should avoid lynching him for now. Protact already gave viable reasons why Macpo is better than GGQ today, and I feel there is little to argue there. sandroba pointed out how L is acting like in Ver's game, and I couldn't agree more. We also have Incog's analysis against L. Secondary suspects: Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees. These 3 people have garnered attention from a few people but not from everyone, so they are listed as secondary candidates. I am of the belief that all 3 of these people are mafia. evantrees is already mentioned by Incog. I think Cyber_Cheese highlighted a good summary of chaosquo here. Most of it is similar arguments to Macpo. Bill Murray as red? I think so. Others have cast suspicion but there's not been a full analysis anywhere. A few people have commented that the election "feels" weird in some way, and I definitely sympathize. The votes for Bill Murray come across as the most suspicious: lots of random votes there. Personally I was surprised he even got into office (remember I was out all day so I saw the results without reading the previous 20 pages). I do realize I may have initially pushed him into candidacy, but I shall take responsibility for that and see to it that he's lynched in the near future. But to be simple: Bill Murray posted a lot, and got into office. Since then he's been pretty passive at the helm (so has BC I realize). That's good enough reason to warrant a ton of suspicion, as he should be actively scumhunting and posting without fear at this point. Remaining mafia candidates: Jackal, Opz, kingjames, zeks. Incog has an analysis against Jackal as we know. I am not on board with him being mafia yet. Traditionally when he is mafia he posts paragraphs, and not one-liners. However he warrants suspicion for having an apathetic attitude. Opz is someone who I believe Sheth was the first to cast doubt on, and I must say Sheth is definitely onto something. I know of the past Opz as a town player who is aggressive, not afraid to call people out on their bullshit. That's something we aren't seeing much of this game. He's posted a few of his own thoughts, but there is a clear lack of effort. Bored townie who is facepalming at having to read 100 pages? Possibly. Mafia hiding in the shadows? Fits better. kingjames is called out on by Incog, and there's further analysis by BC. His last sentence is the perfect sum to kingjames: "The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned." kingjames has yet to do anything to contradict this. zeks I felt strongly about yesterday, he made a bad post which is nothing like his normal outspoken attitude (though it's been a while since he's played I think). He has since asked for a replacement and hasn't posted, but should still be looked at in the future. Meapak_Ziphh is someone I would like to throw out there as a candidate (which shouldn't be a surprise from the few of my recent posts). What has Meapak done this game? Tried to get GGQ lynched, and unfortunately that's about all he's tried to do. There is a very aggressive push from him to kill this guy, which I find a little suspicious and slightly out of character. Mafia: Macpo, GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh. Substitute a few off candidates and I think we've found our 9: Jackal, BrownBear, zeks, Munk-E, other random inactive player goes here. DONT LOSE THIS POST ITS SO IMPORTANT! Writing all that I think the usefulness of this post is immediately made clear. The most prominent townies and the ones doing the analysis are all right on most of their reads. It's just each person has found 2-3 mafia on their own, and most of the time they are all different. Pooling this information together I realize it's hard to call anyone and their analysis wrong, as when you analyze the big picture everything fits together. Anyone in their right mind would look at this game and think "wow this atmosphere is perfect for the mafia". Ver once told me that lots of times it's easier to find the mafia when the town atmosphere sucks because they will not be the ones causing chaos and disruption. Instead they will be sitting on the sidelines enjoying the show while the townies flail around. Look at all the names I've listed above. Everyone (yes everyone on that list) is guilty of apathy and does not have the interests of the town in mind. They are not thinking long term, or analyzing the big picture. They aren't playing the game, they are watching. Macpo Many others have said so, and though I may be biased, I still think it's best we lynch him today. I believe his case is still by far the strongest we have at the moment, especially since he has responded to his threats (with even more reason to kill him). At the time of writing GGQ has yet to say anything. We kill him (Macpo) today and spend the night figuring out who has the next best case. In the meantime, I'm going to be looking for connections between the above players to see if anyone can be ruled out or automatically included. IF YOU HAVE FINISHED READING AND YOU ARE A COMPETENT TOWN PLAYER PLEASE READ AGAIN Also, after sifting through this information, I feel we have a strong enough lead to start killing like there's no tomorrow. ##Vote: double lynch Posting this as it was pushed from view insanely fast. | ||
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On January 17 2012 14:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Foolishness I'm kinda dissapointed. Your case against me is based around meta. Yeah it's true, I've never tunneled anyone hardcore like I'm doing with GGQ right now, does that necessaily make me scum? You don't think GGQ is scum, however incog/protact agrees with me. So what am I doing then? By your logic I'm a hyperaggressive scum trying to mislynch a townie, thats nothing like my scum meta (feeling free to use this since you brought it up as part of your case). If you use incog's logic, I'm scum bussing a teammate. But what's my next move? My red list largely agrees with both yours, if I suddenly back off any of them it'll be super obvious. If I'm scum then I'm locked into bussing my own team for the next several days (given that you, me, and incog all think macpo and opz are scum). I will continue to campaign to get GGQ lynched, he is the best option for today. However, I'm not an idiot, if it comes down to macpo and protact or macpo and sandroba then of course I'll vote macpo. Everyone should vote GGQ though. Stop splitting the friggin vote. You prefer macpo over sandro or protac, and you have a large number of players saying off macpo. With this much red read by MULTIPLE PLAYERS who are well respected we should be heading where they aim. Jackal is on 3 scum lists and I believe he is a higher profile red to remove than macpo, however given the amount of work provided in analysis on macpo I would understand and support his lynch. Get off ggq, we can let a vig handle him or lynch him tommorrow. | ||
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On January 17 2012 14:41 ~OpZ~ wrote: Foolishness -_- While I respect your post greatly, and agree with more than a few of your reads (BM primarily, as you are right, he is at the helm and should be doing far more to help with direction), but your portion regarding me I feel is incorrect. I usually don't start posting much until I have firm reads, and more information where I can actually back things up. Also, almost every game I'm in with a large number of players I don't even start posting proper til day 3/4. I've already built cases I feel warrant attention, and while you point out sheth pointing out me, this was simply because I called him out for instariding Incog/Mystlord, with the most amazing defense of "Other people were doing it and your only calling me out for it?" But I gives a shit as of right now. to be fair to sheth, he actually supported protrac right from the beginning pretty much on a stance along the lines of "where everyone else says they are going to do things, protrac actually is as such he gets my support" or something along those lines. | ||
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On January 18 2012 04:45 Jackal58 wrote: This is enough for me to hang your ass. You won't pass judgement but you'll help hang his ass. Scummy Visc. Very scummy. If you don't like the Macpo lynch this guy is an excellent alternative. First post back after he was analyzed. He doesn't comment on anything that has happened since page 92, except to FoS visc? I believe Jackal used this exact same tactic as scum in ptp2. Day 1 he was accused and he vanished and let the analysis vanish before reappearing. Vanished again when he was being pushed again and the analysis was buried again. (this is to my best recollection, I will be revisiting that game shortly). It is obvious no one is going to vote for him today, as such I believe we should put him on tommorrows list unless a vig takes care of him tonight. | ||
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On January 18 2012 22:47 Bill Murray wrote: You know I obviously meant to say mafia don't have to use deductive reasoning I don't know who is mafia, but I have done a pretty good job and suspected 1 of the 2 people who have flipped I want to see Sandroba's alignment to determine BC's, but I'd be willing to let it go for now, since you all don't realize (like I do) that one of Protact and BC HAVE to be scum Since Macpo flipped it really looks bad on Protactinium and rgtheShworz So you are telling me, a player who pushed for the deaths of both dead red players is obviously mafia? I am glad to know that in bm's mind those who get red killed are mafia and those who get townies killed are town. We have a winner. | ||
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I mason'd Protract for this cycle and have been communicating off and on for the day. All medics, foolishness and protract are your responsibility tonight to defend. As things stand now, ggq/jackal are the two I intend on pushing come the lynch, again barring any new information. All masons playing in pm land but not posting in thread be warned, you will be put up for analysis / lynch if you don't get your act together. | ||
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On January 20 2012 02:43 Jayjay54 wrote: lately he's been posting this which I learned is a scum move. for older things, my filter will help. although some reads changed, the BC parts stay. Someone pointed out earlier that he found some scum? Can he show me where? Also, guys, BM is scum and falseclaiming. And I say why: a) I don't see why you would let yourself vote as sheriff if you're a mad hatter. You actually want to die at some point. So why hand yourself in. b) There is no way he has a scum read on both protact and foolishness (on day 2!). This is straight out saying the best scumhunters yet are scum. Which makes no sense as town. Even if you think they're scum, you probably place your bombs some place else. c) "Oh I failed to submit". Yea right. d) "I failed you as a sheriff" indeed e) all this stuff he did before "CC is confirmed scum"; jail desaster laiana, talking shit, see my filter for a little more. HE NEEDS TO DIE. ##Vote: Bill Murray Even in the highly unlikely very worst case he flips town and he blows up foolishness and protact, we'd at least have a confirmation that BC is scum. This case is bad, but there is still a benefit. Why is everybody abandoning GGQ? I still like his case and would like to lynch him. We would learn a lot about sandro and chaos too ##Vote: GGQ. This vote may change though. Finally, no doubly lynch imo. High risk, little reward. So, he said he only had 1 bomb out. He said to keep him alive on this. Reading his filter he does not state who is one bomb is on. So we already know if he is lynched today that even if his bomb is on one of those 2 players that 1 will live. However it is interesting that to confirm my alignment you are for the carpet bomb killing of 3 other players. Two of which are actively analyzing and catching reds. Massive FoS on this. Next as to reply to jackal. I am fine with keeping you around another day now. HOWEVER. You have stated that you were herp derping because you had a role you wished to use before dying, thats great. That means you should be turning into the jackal that has no reason to herp derp. Continue doing so will result in me believing you just shot your gf to build cred for yourself as L was dead in the water anyway. You have a day to step it up. on to the current lynches, Kingjames01 is an easy first go. Why? Because he has done near nothing this game until he was actively pushed. Then he stops being helpful till again being pushed. His first bit of "analysis" that wasn't on me came at the point where people said lynch him. If he is required to be lynched to actively "analyze a player" this does not scream best interests of the town. Factor in he was trying to get cred from the "i voted for L, why would I vote for mafia gf if I was red" I would say it was easy to read the thread to know L was going to die sooner or later, having at least 1 member jump on that train now makes sense. As for BM, Claiming to save his life, running for election with a role that requires him dying (the fuck) to activate, his wtf jailing of lanaia with reasoning like On January 17 2012 10:10 Bill Murray wrote: WBG I am trying to jail to lower their KP Say L was roleblocked and Lanaia was jailed WHAT IF BOTH ARE MAFIA? That would explain why we had 3 mafia KP last night, and not 4 i am CERTAIN 1 of OpZ or BC are mafia, now, and who else to elect mayor if not the mafia jack? Note that he said he was trying to jail to lower mafia KP. At that point in time, jailing a red would not have lowered mafia kp (anyone with half a brain would know this). He says he believed to save her from a hit, but someone had already claimed that missing hit in thread. That displayed he was not actually reading properly. I will be voting both of kingjames and bm for now, and heavily watching the thread to see how the day goes. | ||
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On January 20 2012 03:37 vaderseven wrote: K. Read the entire thread now. First, we need to lynch GGQ today. His entire play style is anti town. He pokes holes in things and never helps. It is actually that simple. ##vote GGQ BC, if you could play through day 1 again would you do anything different and if so what? Restructure the mason discussion to have less clutter day 1. Aside from that not to much at all. | ||
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On January 20 2012 10:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Jackal I need you to do more. I need to to be the leader that BC refuses to be. I need you to be the leader that Liquidia deserves, but hasn't needed until now. Jackal I need you to be the goddamn Batman. BC is taking it to PMs and not leading shit. He promised he'd be transparent and easily read if we elected him. HE PROMISED JACKAL! How have I not helped lead? I was one of the key people who put the damn lynch back on track yesterday. I am about to do the same here. The difference is, to accurately analyze people you need to give a bit of room to see who people push. I know what my reads are, I know what protracs were yesterday leading into today. I know that the work I am doing analyzing today should be beneficial in outing another red or two. | ||
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kingjames Now, we have analyzed him already, but you guys seriously need to take a step back at what he is doing. The only person he analyzed all game till p4n was me. Not only that, but he only started to analyze other players when he started getting votes slapped on him. He has down nothing to help the town, and claimed he was attempting to draw a mafia hit. If this was true, why has he been so unhelpful and not just that, assume that a mafia would shoot him based on 3 players analyzing him as red? The only bullet he was taking last night would have been from a vig. Not only this, but most analysis on him always seems to get buried quickly or ignored. He is one of the primary people that should be lynched today yet only the BM one has taken up real steam. Hell if you notice, the only people voting for him atm are myself, protrac, foolishness, hiro and BM. Mafia does not want this guy dead, cap him now. As for the secondary target? Everyone is hopping aboard the BM wagon which at the moment has me slightly uneasy at how fast it is thus far. He seems like a solid candidate thus far but it is starting to seem almost like a misslynch. If you guys don't like BM then move to Meapak. I will have an analysis post up on him shortly, but he is most likely red. However Kingjames should be everyones primary vote today. | ||
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On January 20 2012 11:30 wherebugsgo wrote: how are the masons confirmed, exactly? Unless I'm missing something, can't the scum be masons too? i never said confirmed townies. I said confirmed people. There are 8 people who have mason'd people this game who are confirmed at doing so. Its retarded. | ||
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On January 20 2012 11:33 kingjames01 wrote: I am almost starting to feel bad for you BC. You're like that pathetic little kid that always wants to be heard. You're saying all the same things but you're missing one key fact. IF you really believed me to be mafia, you should be attacking my posts. Am I wrong about p4NDemik? Why don't you use your mafia logic and discuss that? What are you so afraid of? I DARE YOU TO TAKE A STAND ON p4NDemik. bad mafia or bad town. Regardless, Your posts attacked him for the same general points you were analyzed for. Also rather than actively discuss your opinion on todays other lynch choices or yesterdays lynch choices. You never explain your vote on L aside from saying you think hes mafia. As for the pathetic little kid? resorting to personal insults now? Annoyed that everyone has seen you for what you are this game? As for if i thought you were red attacking your posts? I did that before, Do you really want me to ream you again? | ||
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On January 20 2012 11:52 p4NDemik wrote: From this assessment I assume you aren't a fan of my case against supersoft. Can you explain why you don't agree with it because I've yet to see supersoft do anything that exhonerates him in my mind. Along with BM he's had some of the worst defenses of all the people who have been accused today, and his vote for the last lynch makes zero sense to me. Bad defenses do exist even from townies so I think that is a moot point. However I have a more town oriented read on him at the moment. Is it possible hes red? maybe, but as of now I personally see him in a more town oriented way. As of right now I honestly don't see him as a viable lynch. | ||
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On January 19 2012 13:01 p4NDemik wrote: I've been incredibly lazy over the last few days (I've been reading the thread but the first couple of days left me pretty burnt out -___- Anyways I'm all for voting Bill Murray as his behavior yesterday was incredibly erratic. Which leads me to this post and my second vote: This post seems extremely odd for a number of reasons, first of all he has this proposition that we lynch macpo, but refuses in putting his vote in for him. I cannot understand why a townie would come in with a post explaining his vote and feel it necessary to express his distaste for another player he wasn't voting for but oddly still supports lynching. Feels like he doesn't want to vote Macpo but at the same time wants to get in this last sliver of distrust so his intentions aren't questioned at the time. Secondly, he just latches on to another case when explaining his vote (keep in mind even cybercheese didn't feel strongly enough to vote for Chaosquo), this feels like a lazy cop-out for having to post an explanation. Finally he has this bit about the case against BM being hard to understand. I have this as the weakest point because it is buttressed if BM flips red, but I thought all along the BM case was incredibly clear cut. He made some odd claims and had a lot of erratic behavior, which not surprisingly drew a lot of suspicion. Even if you don't agree with it I don't think it at any time has been difficult to grasp why people want him lynched. Couple that with this suspicious chain of posts following L's candidacy for Mayor and I feel strongly enough to make this my second vote today. "Maybe I'll vote for L" "BM most likely town!!" bs #mafiatalk ##Vote Bill Murray and ##Vote supersoft guys!! Ferrr liquidia! First off, you choose one post of his to use as your gateway to analysis. He up until the point of this post had said he didn't like the sandro / ggq vote (points in his favour), tries to get L to talk to him (apparently he wouldnt?), We then have the post you analyzed which I don't think is inherently scummy as he said he preferred CC's analysis on chaosquo over that of the macpo stuff. Whatever, you can vote on those reason, its a null tell of town or mafia. Given the fact that we don't know the alignment of chaosquo we can't say he made a bad choice of lynch target either. The link you provided I don't think is anything insanely out of the ordinary as I believe if ss was mafia and since we know L was the gf, mafia would have made a better run at getting him into office. L would be far more destructive there than BM IMO. Factor in that SS has already stated that he mason'd L this may clear him. Main read however of him comes from http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=52#1030 this in my mind is an extremely town oriented post and would be extremely hard to create as red. Given his playstyle this game I just don't see him a viable lynch. He hasn't given enough to solidly pin as mafia and using a lynch on a player with very little scumlike posting seems a waste at this point. | ||
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On January 20 2012 12:09 Toadesstern wrote: hey there KJ: Vote sandro, he's 2nd atm and may be your pass to life another day! incorrect, KJ is currently at 6, sandro at 4, fw miscounted the votes | ||
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Mine + Show Spoiler + On January 16 2012 11:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: hi kingjames It is so glad to know the mafia are reallllllllly angry with me right now as it makes it really obvious when you guys leap out at me. I say this because people who should have been far more active during this game cycle and risked modkills are suddenly "spurred" into playing a game and instantly doing exactly what I would expect you to. Jump at me instantly. Why do you ask that I expect this? Because I did the most town move throughout the entirety of day 1. From what I remember day 1 about the elections was very much what you would see in a game with no real movement. Everyone was discussing the candidates but most of it came down to experience in the players to narrow down the running. Before my claim and even after my claim up until the last 4-6 hour mark I had been solidly in the lead via votes. The "swinging" of votes towards me to give me mayor over bm was not a surge. I gained 3 votes near end of deadline. In the last 4 hours bm lost 3-4 votes then gained like 6-7. Protact who had near no solid voter base till the last 4 hours went from a very low amount of votes to just missing an elected spot. Those two had voter surges, I did not. All the reasoning for those 3 people voting me near the end of the day were all posted within the thread as well. You are right that we cannot forget what we learned day 1 and into night 1. Mafia is pissed at the mason situation. Town is moderately so, however you can immediately tell a player like wiggles is town based on how he is aiming to fix the situation. Not only that he is attempting to turn it into a group of scumhunters that the mafia has to risk infiltrating to fuck with (thus potentially losing one or more of their own members) or give up the idea of infilitrating it and letting town have an exclusive spot to talk. Are their issues with wiggles plan? Yes, however it is clearly more pro town than players saying "lets trust people with near no experience with pms to use them properly" Forcing people who can do damage or make massive gains for the town accountable for their actions and able to be analyzed properly is far more pro town than letting people work around in the dark with no guidance or real "negative" to fucking up in pm's. By forcing people to operate in the public eye with a far more insidious role than most hinders mafia, benefits town, and also created a topic of discussion day 1 that is not rehashing old games. This is a polarizing discussion. Through it, regardless of what some people may try to convince you, a ton of information was placed upon a large majority of the active player base. Did some players skirt by without posting? Why yes they did, you are one of them who did dick all day 1. However, every game possess; players who will skirt by doing the bare minimum who will never join in on a discussion unless near forced to by mods, or by being actively called out / put up for lynch or vig shot. That is the nature of the game. However, the "active" players who comment badly on major topics but do near nothing else in the thread are typically scum being told to join in on a discussion. Is this always true? no, but it is a good starting ground. Everyone can look back at day 1 and realize that the mason discussion did in fact take up most of the day, however near everyone should also see how many people actively sharing opinions that gave a huge amount of information that we would otherwise not have had. You can argue that had I not done what I had that the same amount or more information would be garnered, but till my claim how much solid information had been produced on any player aside from "x is good, but if hes elected and mafia it could be bad, etc..." Day 1 mafia games need elections to kickstart discussion, however it is near down to a formula that catching reds is far harder unless one slips up hard. By forcing people to participate in a discussion that opinions will clearly show a mafia or town bias, the chances of slipping up are far higher. people can argue till the town comes home if I made the right move or not and that is fine however what is done is done and their is now a ton of information people can use as a starting ground to work with. Now onto current shite. BG names were encrypted and given out into seperate pieces. In the case both bgs are red and Myself / bm or myself on my own or bm on his own die, you will now have people able to give the bg names out to get them killed. If people are afraid that it was possible I was linked to two reds, if the bgs both die instantly you will have 4 people who will have known the information. either myself or bm as red, or both people I gave the encrypted info to. However in the case both bgs die, it is far more likely that the reds are the two people I gave information to than myself or bm. Why? Because if either of us is red, or if both of us are red, town bgs protect us and we would have no reason to off them fast. This is obviously wifom, but you get the idea. Veteran well known players need to shape up, now. Palmar was lynched because of his play. If you join a game this size and intend on trolling or contributing very little useful information chances are you are going to be pegged as scum and dealt with as such. Vets should know better than to create an atmosphere that mafia can hide in, palmar was doing just that. Kurumi is also guilty of this, regardless of if he does it frequently or not. All people that fw chose to not replace who are not modkilled, post. Kingjames is posting now and has yet to inform us as to where he was for 48 hours without posting, why he didnt vote, and why he is solely centered on continuing the mason debate while ignoring almost every other event that happened in the thread? I will quote a few posts of kingjames to give everyone an idea of why he would make an excellent lynch target for this coming day See this post everyone? He is advocating the divulging of "blue roles" I put that in quotations as they could be red. He also makes a point on saying that hes fine with lynching a bodyguard to prevent mafia from taking the role.(note that jackal just wanted the threat there, not actually doing it unless there was reason to) Why would you do this? Outing their names in thread or saying you will lynch one only gets bgs offed and makes the mayor/sheriff more vulnerable. Thankfully I figured out an alternative and acted on it that didn't require giving mafia the ability to snipe the bgs at no cost or suspicion as we were nice enough to hand them out. Contradiction in this post insanely. He is fine with outing the bgs that could be either mafia or town (and they protect the sheriff/mayor who could be town/town, mafia/town, or mafia and mafia) But is against another role that could be either alignment that could do an insane amount of damage to the town in mafia hands hidden away. His argument is mafia would know more players in the game and narrow their shots down, guess what, so does handing out the bgs. Note he also calls the mass mason roleclaim a terrible plan. Yet when he returns from his 48 hour absence all he can talk about is how he thinks either i or bm is mafia, and the terrible mason plan that he had already said his piece on. He doesn't analyze any player. He concentrates solely on me. Read his last post before he vanished for 48 hours Given his extreme distrust of me here and his refusal to vote for me (didnt vote for anyone at all) you would think given the entire days worth of posting he would opt to push specifically at me when he returned, or analyzed me extensively. Instead he opted to suggest 1 of 2 people could be red, attempt to shut down a pro town idea, request the names of the bgs. A player of his ability knows he has to provide far more than he has given this game and I am taking notice. Foolishness + Show Spoiler + kingjames is called out on by Incog, and there's further analysis by BC. His last sentence is the perfect sum to kingjames: "The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned." kingjames has yet to do anything to contradict this. Protract + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2012 06:19 Protactinium wrote: kingjames In this game, kingjames proposes that bodyguards be made public, posts a consideration that BC may be the mafia jack, and then disappears. A fear mongering post that asks what happens if BC is red, with no opinion or followup. Another case of apathy. Contrast this with TL Mafia XXXVIII where instantly gives strong opinions on some of the proposed policy plans (random lynching, zodiac lists), immediately jumps into trying to find mafia, posts some detailed analyses, and does a lot of poking and prodding. In this game, kingjames does not attempt to find mafia. He instead discusses outing bodyguards, and casts doubt on BC without providing any opinion. The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned. Now on to more indepth analysis On January 16 2012 12:03 kingjames01 wrote: I reached similar conclusions based on that post as well. blahz0r Wow, this is a stunning contribution. Not only did you agree with a player who has done sweet fuck all this game, YOU DID THE EXACT SAME THING. I got a conclusion he is red. I am so glad you have a conclusion, wheres all that drive you have in pushing for p4n right now in this case? Nothing? Just hes red? Stunning revelation with no actual detail. Fluff post for the sake of posting, 0 real content. On January 16 2012 12:09 kingjames01 wrote: Crap, pressed Enter accidentally. blahz0r, you are attempting to justify your choice for tomorrow's lynch. Since, you as mafia, NEED AN EXCUSE to vote, you just dug around looking for someone, anyone, to cast suspicion on. You're also not doing it very convincingly. mafia: blahz0r Oh, we see the "i hit enter accidently" and threw the "you need an excuse to vote so you are justifying your lynch ahead of time. This means your red" Actually, he never said "i think so and so is red but am going to give them a day. Or, good lynch target that i will push tommorrow." He infact looked very much like he was asking for an explanation of someones jumping back and forth. On January 16 2012 12:26 kingjames01 wrote: Wrong. Town, Here are some major assumptions to question: If BC is Town-aligned, then why hasn't he been working on BM? Does he think the mafia DID NOT GET A SINGLE CANDIDATE ELECTED? BC: Do you think that the mafia entered into the election race? Do you think that they succeeded? What do you think about BM's alignment? Be accountable. You asked for the spotlight. Convince me that you are pro-Town because the result of your actions show otherwise. Another fluff post. He throws on more "suspicion" on me by saying if I was town aligned why aren't I working with bm. The obvious answer to that is that people like protrac are for more helpful to work with. It also means that I'd be working with someone able to analyze me more competently in pm's to catch me if I was red. He makes a point saying do I think that mafia did not get a candidate elected? at the time I was unsure, even now I am unsure. We know mafia ran for office, but knowing if they got in or not is something I cannot at this point say yes or no to. On January 16 2012 12:56 kingjames01 wrote: Protactinium, you voted for a Double Lynch. Do you have a read on a second player? Blatant disregard for reading the thread. Protract had already posted an analysis on several players and as such asking him this question is fluff activity. Reading a thread, missing a giant analysis post then asking a question like this is horrifically bad. As I know you aren't this bad, you lose marks for it. On January 17 2012 07:13 kingjames01 wrote: What are you guys talking about? I don't understand if you are being sarcastic or not. However, MAFIA NEED EXCUSES TO VOTE. It doesn't matter if they vote for or against Town. They will always need an excuse because they KNOW who isn't mafia. It is very common for mafia to pretend to support Town-aligned players. It was a very good tell that Ciryandor was looking for a reason to cast his vote. At the time he claimed that Mr. Wiggles (who he knew to be Town) had the best campaign. He stated no other explanation. There was no comparison between the various platforms. It was simply an excuse to cast his vote. Is talking generalities about the game. Given that a player of your ability you chose to explain why a mafia might support a townie campaign instead of discussing possible lynches is confusing. This does not contribute at all to the days events and once again is feigned activity. Its a neutral post that serves no purpose. On January 17 2012 07:17 kingjames01 wrote: Bill Murray: You incarcerated Lanaia during Night 1. Why did you choose her? Also, why do you think you saved her from death? She received no such notification. Do you believe that the mafia joined the election Day 1 and do you think that they succeeded to take at least one of the roles? Have you taken also precautions so that in the event of BC and/or your early demise, the Bodyguards will be revealed to the thread? Asking questions. Although this appears "relevant" as it is information someone would want to know, you don't move on to naming suspects. You don't move onto anything. Instead you want information on a role use. On January 17 2012 10:14 kingjames01 wrote: Wait, what's your proof that BC is mafia? I have strong suspicions but do you have anything more than this: Also, mafia needed to have lost the use of 3 members to reduce their KP last night. Does the death of Ciryandor affect their KP? I'm under the impression that it did not. Rather than taking the time to do a solid analysis of me as he quoted someone who also has a mafia read he instead asks why, and says i have suspicions. He then moves onto clarifying a section of information about the OP. This is a post he could have used to build a case against me based on his read as another player shared it, instead he did not. On January 17 2012 10:16 kingjames01 wrote: sandroba has not claimed Mason. BC chose sandroba as his target Day 1. Fluff post. He answered a question with information already available in thread. again, clarified a roleclaim. Another fluff post. No real content. On January 17 2012 12:14 kingjames01 wrote: What does the bolded part mean? When was I called out? Are you saying that you've finally decided that I'm Town? Ignore the fact that I analyzed him and that Protrac analyzed him. This defines being called out. Someone performing any analysis on you is a sense of "calling you out" as it puts you in the spotlight. Again shows ignorance of a case against him. On January 17 2012 12:29 kingjames01 wrote: Stop spamming the thread. Town: At the moment, we're going around in circles arguing who to lynch, with "my choice is better than your choice" and "why aren't you listening to me?" We need to begin consolidating our lynch candidates so that we can remain focussed for the next day. I am going to list some of the players that I have deemed to be somewhat suspicious. However, in the interest of not fracturing the Town, I will wait to push their lynch. Nevertheless, their names will remain recorded here. This information may turn out to be useful if everything works out. 4. Slardar 15. L 22. rgTheSchworz 27. BloodyC0bbler 30. blahz0r 39. hiro protagonist 49. Scamp Also, BC, your voice and votes are important because they carry more weight. What is your plan for the next day? Who do you wish to lynch? tells VE to stop spamming when he up till this point has been posting near useless posts. Similar bad behaviour for different reasons. He then goes onto talking about consolidating our lynch candidates, makes no efforts to do so, then gives a list of seven players with no analysis on each as to why to avoid "fracturing the town". Excuse not to contribute. On January 17 2012 13:45 kingjames01 wrote: If no more information is revealed in the game, then this is what we know about the Night 1 actions. Bill Murray incarcerated Lanaia. mafia attempted to kill: Kurumi, Mr. Wiggles, GiygaS, kitaman27. They succeeded on the first 3 players. kitaman27 survived the hit. Kurumim shot Ciryandor. Here are several posts showing that Kurumi believed Ciryandor to be mafia. and of course, From Occam's Razor I had already assumed that Kurumi was the vigilante responsible for Ciryandor's death. I recall encountering some doubt after the Day 2 Post. Also, I don't want the idle speculation about whether the mafia used one of their KPs on Ciryandor. Finally, kitaman27: I read through your filter again but don't see an updated suspect list. Since I believe that you were targetted for death last night, I am very interested to hear who you would like to lynch Day 2. First "large" post via quoting things. He starts off by recapping the night 1 events, then speculates that kurumi shot ciry. Speculating on who killed who is not useful if we have no claims to the kill. In fact its a near useless post as even if Kurumi did shoot ciry it does not matter. No one stepped forward to claim the kill, as such we had no one to analyze to see if they were legit or not. Anyone would assume that the dead vig would be responsible purely because no one stepped forward to claim that shot. Useless post. On January 17 2012 14:53 kingjames01 wrote: I have a long day tomorrow and it starts really early so this is going to be my last post for the night. Town: kitaman27 was shot Night 1 which accounts for the last mafia KP. We can trust what he says without worrying if he's lying to us. He may be wrong, but he's pro-Town. kitaman27: Kurumi shot Ciryandor. I also believe L to be mafia and I'm glad that you agree. Man, this is awesome. You say that someone was shot so we can trust them (thus inferring town) based on a night shot that although likely true, is not confirmed. You say that kurumi shot ciry. Again, likely true but not confirmable. You then say L is likely mafia and are happy someone agrees, yet again give no analysis as to why you think so. Again your are missing the drive you have right now on p4n on your reads. You also give a reason as to why you will be inactive. As you actually vote for L, but give no analysis on him at all (whereas you did pressure and slightly analyze me, harass me and continue to believe I am red) your vote makes no sense as based on actions I was your most suspected mafia choice. On January 17 2012 23:01 kingjames01 wrote: Alright, have to run to TA but this post alone makes me think that you're mafia. FOS: Toadesstern Again, suspects someone and doesnt go into detail why. On January 18 2012 12:54 kingjames01 wrote: I'm just dropping in to check on the game. I had such a long day and I'm too tired to sit here and read through the posts I missed. I'm actually surprised that the day ended so early. I'll be up in the morning and I'll catch up then. Good job on the Macpo lynch guys! A post saying that you're not going to do anything right now, and that you are happy we lynched a red that you never talked about. As a note, he was mentioned in that post of protracs you ignored. On January 19 2012 14:24 kingjames01 wrote: For those of you who are considering lynching me, you should actually do a little bit of research on your own. Consider what I've posted and what my intentions were. When the Town was pushing for Macpo, I voted for L. If I really was mafia, why would I not just hide myself and join the bandwagon? Voting for someone DIFFERENT put me out there. Furthermore, I voted for a mafia! So was I attempting to bus L so that I could earn Town cred? He wasn't even close to being lynched. I vote for who I think is mafia. That's just the way I play. When the Town was going in circles, I cut to the heart of the situation and summarized why I thought we had a chaotic day. I believed then and I still believe now that mafia must have attempted to win an elected position. I put pressure on BloodyC0bbler because I perceived him to be, at least partially, responsible for the confusion from Day 1. I continued to question BC and BM's about the DIFFERENCES between their STATED goals and their ACTUAL effects on the game. Just because more well-known players say that I am suspicious doesn't mean that I am. Think for yourselves! Look at what I've done. Players attempt to draw me out into an argument. Why am I not using that opportunity to muddle up the thread? Look back on my previous games. If I want to, I can dominate pages of this game just arguing. THAT IS NOT PRO-TOWN. I am not acting against the Town. I have not been killed because the mafia want to set me up for a mis-lynch. I am pro-Town. Don't let anyone tell you different. Man, your finally up to die and you finally jump out to post. See this is the post you fucked yourself with. This solidified my read on you as no fucking townie would make claims like you did. When town was voting macpo you voted L, WITHOUT REASON. You never even talked about the lynch target you chose or the one that was lynched. You said voting differently put you out there? That isn't why you were being analyzed. You then try and take credit by being a townie because L flipped gf? He had been heavily analyzed by others and was a shoe in to die today. Again not something that is worth mentioning. When the town was going in circles and you "cut to the heart" to summarize. You know what you didn't do? Try and get the town to stop being chaotic. You are claiming to be townlike for summarizing when that isn't a distinctly townlike move. Had you pushed it to stop being chaotic then possibly but summarizing is something either mafia or town can do and it makes no difference. You then question me and bm, who arguably you spend the most time on for the entirety of day 1 and 2 in terms of real content. You don't seriously analyze bm and you don't vote for me who you did outright call for being red and try to scare monger people from voting me. You didn't push for either of our lynches which does not coincide with what you were doing in thread. You then move on to say you are not acting against the town. Guess what, you have done nothing for it. Acting against the towns best interests is the same as not helping it. By being apathetic and posting useless fluff posts on non important issues you are showing that you are "active" without leaving your mark on the thread. This is a mafia trait. You claim to be pro town, yet you have not behaved as such. You out and out lie. You then in your next post clear foolishness of being mafia and say your moving onto protract. You clear him of suspicion. Now, instead of talking about current lynch choices, you throw up another new choice. In p4n. On January 19 2012 16:57 kingjames01 wrote: I've gone through the entire Protactinium posting history for this game and these guys absolutely shine. They establish their innocence quickly and decisively. If this was their mafia ploy then I have been taken in completely. It isn't that they are picking the right players to target, it's that they go right to the crux of the post itself. They are scumhunting based on intent which is the right way to play. The only thing that I can conclude is that Protactinium is pro-Town. HOWEVER, when reading through their posts, I am VERY surprised that they missed p4NDemik. They quoted the exact post that made me look at his filter. I am repeating it here: p4NDemik reveals his true nature Nisani's argument was not compelling. This was just an attempt to establish a base-line for future votes. In fact, after this brief period of doubt, p4NDemik never EVER again engages Protactinium. Let's all take a look through his filter together: A statement that says he has no real position on anything. Provides an excuse to cast a vote with no real substance. The obligatory "I KNEW Palmar was Town!" post. Also a 'promise' to scum-hunt which we will see has no truth to it. The "Don't look at me! I don't know really know what I'm doing" post. Next we'll see that he has a very long string of posts where all he does is question other players with no real intent to find scum. These ones are especially funny. This one even comes with an appeal to sympathy. "Stop picking on me! I don't get it!" The remainder of his posts can be summarized as follows: + Show Spoiler + That's right, a real load of nothing. No real comment on the state of the game or its atmosphere. Some superfluous scum-hunting. More justification to cast his vote. Conclusion: p4NDemik is mafia. PS. Protactinium I did a quick check. I didn't play in TL Mafia XXXVIII. That doesn't invalidate your argument, I assume that you made a mistake on the number of the game. Now this is an awesome post. See you went for a player that protrac missed. Then began to analyze him to death. Normally I would be like, awesome, good job. However. YOU DID THIS ONLY AFTER PRESSURED. He starts off with invalidating p4n because nisani's argument was not convincing. He does not quote this argument, he does not explain why it was bad. He then throws suspicion down because he believes p4n is establishing future votes. Instead he FoS protrac for his sudden change in how he has acted in thread. He makes a leap to interpret a line of thinking that was not stated. Futhermore he says p4n never interacts with protrac after that. Guess what, Protrac called kingjames out and rather than responding, kingjames promptly ignored the analysis as if it didnt exist. He then continues to analyze posts saying that p4n threw in an "excuse to vote" on a day that kingjames did not vote period. His reason is actually not a bad reason yet is "scumlike" He attacks p4n for not scumhunting which is something til this point that he himself is guilty of. He then brings up a ton of posts that say near nothing. Except one thing. The posts are questions that are trying to get answers for suspect behaviour. He then chooses a line of posts that are asking a question that were not answered that was weird as hell. He then asks someone who called him out to explain why rather than sitting back making general statements. Guess what, thats townlike behaviour. King james analyzed someone who is clearly playing in the towns interests while obviously not doing so himself. This is a post thats designed to target what would be viewed as a weaker player and making a case where there was none. Near all the points made against p4n were actually trash and it was only designed to bury decent posts and create a scene to distract the town. He then ends the post with a reply to protrac to clarify on a game he wasn't in rather than talk about the analysis done upon himself. Once again dodging the analysis protract did on him. He then begins to aggressively call players out. He points out to jaj22 that if he has a problem with protracts latest post to clarify why. By this line of reasoning, if he disagreed with protracs analysis on himself why has he dodged it so carefully? His only defense post of himself dodged all analysis done on him and he has been actively seen ignoring protrac. He then continues to tunnel p4n. Telling people to only vote for him if they want to analyze him. Meanwhile telling people if they want to vote for information that they can kill p4n. This is a complete contradiction in that if they want to kill p4n they should be analyzing him as well if they have to analyze kingjames to lynch kingjames. Lastly he comes out with this gold. On January 20 2012 04:10 kingjames01 wrote: I respect your mafia play and I know that you are attempting to draw me into an extended conflict and ruin any chances we have to actually scum-hunt. Because of this, I will concede your twisted interpretation of my play without engaging you directly on that front. However, I need to point out to everyone that BloodyC0bbler is trying to force me to make excuses. I make none. But, I will counter you, BC, on this point: what will you have gained when I don't flip red? Where do you go next? My final assertion to the Town is as follows: I have been attempting to draw a hit during the Night. I have been a continued voice of reason rather than a seeder of dissension. I have pointed out logical inconsistencies between words and actions. I have ensured that if I were to be shot at night, that my suspects will be known. I don't need to be the loudest or the most active player, as long as my presence cannot be erased easily. In essence, my game plan all along has been to force the mafia to silence me. It is my duty and honour to soak up a shot so that our scum hunters and power roles can continue to work unfettered. Factor that into your analysis of me. Now that it is obvious that the mafia is attempting to mislynch me today rather than to shoot me at night I must change tacks and point out that my actions have all been pro-Town. Indeed, I am Town-aligned. That is what matters here. Vote for p4NDemik. He claims I am trying to drag him into an extended argument. False. I was attempting to stop a retarded division of votes before it begin on terrible analysis. He then moves onto saying he wont confront me. He then says what will I do if he doesn't flip red. I will continue to analyze players acting obviously in the mafias interests. He then moves onto "i have been attempting to draw a hit." Really? Howso? By dodging core issues? By not responding to analysis done on you by multiple players? By not explaining your vote on L and by almost dying to modkill day 1? Your behaviour put you on three radars for a lynch choice. The only shot fired at you at that point would be from a vig. He makes claims of being a voice of reason and seeder of information when in actuality he has done none of these things. His contributions only have appeared when pressured. He says he doesn't have to be the loudest or active as his presence will always be known yet he as actively gone out of his way to ignore people who pressured him and analyzed him thus trying to keep a low profile. He says his play all game was for mafia to silence him, yet he was not posting actively or loudly, so why would they want to silence him. He was not stopping chaos, he was not analyzing players or even justifying his reads. Now that he is up for lynch he feels the need to explain why he is pro town? Thats good, when his posts are edited to display this information that hes lying about, Ill believe it. Everyone lynch this mafia troll now, ignore his posts for the rest of the day as all hes going to do is attempt to clutter the thread and keep his team alive. | ||
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On January 20 2012 15:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I actually disagree that calling for protacts death on day two was reasonable so from that standpoint you and I are just gonna disagree. I understand private suspicions but full-blown calls for protacts death even before macpos death are suspicious to me. Yesterday, when I wasn't calling for GGQ's head I was advocating against lynching protact and sandroba. can you quote me the posts of you advocating against protrac and roba? I see alot of ggq posts in your filter and can't seem to see the ones you just referenced. I could be blind or skimming way to fast however. | ||
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On January 20 2012 23:19 kingjames01 wrote: Let me explain something to the Town: BloodyC0bbler is a good mafia player. BloodyC0bbler's mafia play isn't restricted to playing from the shadows. He is not afraid to be active in the game. But he is patient. He doesn't jump on every opportunity to wreak havoc. The reason why he's so good at being bad is not because he is smarter than the average mafia player. It is because he is so careful about being caught in a trap which makes him such a good mafia player. BloodyC0bbler only engages people when he thinks that he can draw someone into an argument. We can't check his alignment nor can we verify his role because he is Mayor. The power of having the weight of 3 votes will become more powerful as the game progresses. It is abundantly clear that his choices made in the first Day were chaos-inducing but is that enough to conclusively state that BC is mafia? When it became clear that I was going to be the next mislynch target, I switched tacks and decided that if I'm going out, then I'm going to use my last Day alive to draw BC out into the open. I want him to take a real stand on a very simple analysis. When I don't flip red tonight, I don't want him to be able to say, "oops! Well, I guess I was wrong. kingjames01 was really hard to read." However, that is exactly what BC is attempting to do. I asked him to do one thing. He agreed to do so. But then he didn't. In his entire mess of a post, he did not do what he agreed to do. BC skirted around the issue so that he did not have to commit to any position. He avoids making a conclusive judgement on p4NDemik by focussing on me entirely. He is NOT clear about his position on p4NDemik. Does he ACTUALLY believe that p4NDemik "is clearly playing in the towns interests"? WHERE IS HIS ACCOUNTABILITY NOW? BloodyC0bbler: I DARE YOU TO TAKE A STAND ON p4NDemik. Why is that so hard for you to do? You make a few posts here and there. Surely, with your ability to play the game, you can make a real analysis on p4NDemik. That should be child's play for you. Stop using excuses to focus on me. Take some time and analyse p4NDemik. You agreed to do it. You still haven't produced any results. I debunked your analysis of him in the analysis I did of you. Your analysis of him imo was shoddy and feels so insanely forced to save your own hide. The man is also playing far better than you are. The fact of the matter is, you are attempting to draw ME into an argument. You have been analyzed and are up for lynch. You have done pretty well 0 contribution until you were up as a lynch candidate (aside from calling me red day 1 to attempt to stop me from getting elected). You then analyzed someone and put words in their mouth. If you were honestly town you would continue to analyze other players in the event to share information. You know what you're doing instead? trying to keep the light on you and away from everyone else. Burying information that may appear, or letting mafia hide in general. If you wanted to get away from a lynch you know how to perform to do so, you are not doing that. Go to the gallows in silence, we have more pressing matters to deal with. | ||
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On January 21 2012 01:45 Cwave wrote: Mhhh, i got you down as fishy with the whole Kingjames01 dance but you have a point. What the hell Glurio, a grandtotal of 2 posts with ZERO content -.-? And with zero, i mean zero. You posted on January 15 2012 02:56 January 16 2012 23:27 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=68375 care to go into detail how I am fishy for it? Do you not like the analysis done of him? if so why not? | ||
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On January 21 2012 03:01 Jitsu wrote: 1. Guy clearly lurks. He's got, what, 5 posts in the entire thread? Doesn't even come in to explain why he voted on a player. Literally every one of his posts is apologizing for being busy in real life (which really isn't needed) and how he promises to participate (which he never does). 2. In my mind, the Mafia Mason would mason someone last. The idea behind this is because it would take time for the Scum team to decide on who was going to play the part of the mason. He said he didn't Mason anyone Day one because he was too busy reading the thread? Right...so busy reading the thread, you are able to make choices and decisions based on what you've read. I can understand that from the massive amount of analysis in you're filter. Factor in that his pm to me was roughly half the way through the game day, he if he was reading the thread, would have known I was actively trying to get macpo and jackal as the vote choices and would have known the direction I wanted things to go. He then votes without justifying why. He only justified why this time as he was called out on it. -_- hes been on my scumlist since he mason'd me as he waited near a full day to send me a message that anyone in the thread could have answered. Which is why I ignored him. | ||
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On January 21 2012 03:14 Toadesstern wrote: and actually I don't like the fact that BC's going after him at all given that he's a replacement. your point? If you are replacing into a game, especially a large game you should realize the level of work you will have to do. Excusing someones behaviour for the first day they are in the game is ok, however, when you make posts like On January 16 2012 23:27 glurio wrote: Sorry for being so inactive, it took me till today to read up on everything. It was much more than I expected. I will be more active from now on and participate. then your next post is On January 21 2012 02:04 glurio wrote: I voted how I did because I agree with p4ndemiks analysis of BM, he lately really started behaving weird. Also he is most likely to get lynched since he got the most votes. If hes a mad hatter, like he claimed and only placed one bomb so far, that would suck but it's a risk we should take. kingjames i find really confusing he does nothing but accuse different people with weak at best arguments for being mafia. I have to admit i'm not completely convinced he's mafia, but without him we could maybe spend more ressources towards finding some more mafia and less random pointing. I'm still not completely set on the kingjames vote, so if someone can convince me of someone better i will consider it. I'm going out tonight, so i might not be able to change my vote in time. Will try my best though. Also i'm claiming Mason. Did anyone notice the difference in pages? page 88 then next on page 145. He still voted last game day, and said he had caught up. Moment you make a statement like "i have read everything and will be active from now on" then don't have a single post in near 60 pages? and that post was made as you were called out for sheeping without justifying yourself? He's being called out because hes done nothing to say hes town. In fact his actions say otherwise. Promises to be active then never doing so. Why would I give him a break? Him being a mason just means that a potential red in the masons has been found. His sketchy behaviour is why hes being looked at. | ||
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On January 21 2012 03:54 Toadesstern wrote: the problem I have with that one is that there's a bunch of people like this and you pick out of all those guys the guy who replaced in? Sure it's not looking good but why this guy? Just because he popped in? Why are you not asking other people as well? You know, I made a big case on sandroba (a vet) which is basicly about him refusing to play pro-town and not only about lurking. There's people like munk-E, Slardar, Kenpachi (I guess he's something special) and someother people who posted like 1 page of filter in this game. Read my filter. Do you recall this post. On January 19 2012 06:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: going to be heading off to work shortly so I shall throw this up now. I mason'd Protract for this cycle and have been communicating off and on for the day. All medics, foolishness and protract are your responsibility tonight to defend. As things stand now, ggq/jackal are the two I intend on pushing come the lynch, again barring any new information. All masons playing in pm land but not posting in thread be warned, you will be put up for analysis / lynch if you don't get your act together. He was warned. He has failed to contribute, he attempted to skate by with a vote on 2 bandwagons without saying why. Why would I not call him out. As for asking others? Just because I haven't outed them yet doesn't mean I havent been watching their posts. | ||
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On January 21 2012 03:56 p4NDemik wrote: Fair enough BC and your suspicions are somewhat justified but you cannot deny that you reap what you sow. To me he very much embodies what a new townie put in his situation would do when confronted by the atmosphere you created earlier in the thread. This doesn't make him town, but there is plenty of reason to not leap to conclusions here. glurio you need to fill the gaps here and prove your innocence through actions moving forward. You are being watched now and you need to make steps towards finding mafia going forward. If you are intimidated and feel your role is useless you still have the option to press for your questions to be answered in this thread. BC what was the irrelevant question that he asked you? This is a good time to start getting some information about both his and your intentions. He asked me what he posted as the log of his to me. As he pm'd me after i was pushing for a macpo or jackal as lynch choices its fairly obvious what my stance is, ie asking me "Hey so what do you think is our best course of action right now?" is the most useless thing you can ask me. It was clearly stated in thread already. | ||
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On January 21 2012 04:02 p4NDemik wrote: OK people here is where we make a stand. We have caught both of our elected roles acting very fishy today. BM is a clear lynch and you have all already moved forward on this point as shown by your votes. BC's recent actions are now clearly contradictory and we need to do everything we can to garnish more information about his intentions ASAP. I am going to reemphasize that my case against supersoft is no less credible than that against kingjames. What now makes my case more valuable is the information is gives us on BC which is going to be absolutely vital moving forward into the next few days of this game. I want to urge everyone to ##vote Bill Murray and v##vote supersoft this is an opportunity that can't be passed up. BM has practically dug his own grave and now BC finds himself in a major pickle. How am I contradictary? Your case on SS is weak. I am calling glurio out yet I have not said "lets all off this player". If you notice I said the lynch on supersoft was not viable at this point based on the information provided. I have not said lynch glurio. How am I at all being contradictory? As for your case against supersoft being as good as kingjames, I would strongly disagree. You did your initial analysis off 1 post while ignoring the rest. How is that stronger than a case against kingjames who has been analyzed by 3 players, and in one analysis he was shown to be misrepresenting himself on what he claimed to be doing, and was out and out doing dickall to help the town? | ||
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On January 21 2012 04:25 kingjames01 wrote: There you are. Consider if you will the following: Why is BloodyC0bbler trying so hard to avoid taking a stand on p4NDemik? In fact, at the moment, they are attempting to distance themselves from each other. It is one thing to invalidate someone's analysis, it is another ENTIRELY to refuse to analyse. You do realize you are guilty of what you are attempting to accuse me of? You also realize I destroyed your analysis of p4n. As such I obviously disagree with your case on him. As for distancing? My posts clearly indicated I defended him from you, thus thats association. Stop cherry picking posts. | ||
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On January 21 2012 04:29 p4NDemik wrote: You have not made overt statements that blatantly contradict themselves but you are dealing with two players in incredibly similar situations. Both of these people claim to be masons. Both of them have questionable plays as masons. supersoft's grand contribution as a "town mason" is discussing the lynch of a townie (Palmar) with WBG and supposedly attempting to mason L to no avail. glurio comes out now after having not even used his day 1 mason (which was actually a better use than what supersoft did after all) and then he tried to mason you but you wouldn't respond (this isn't even his fault, and it is actually confirmable unlike supersoft's story). Both have not been actively playing with the town's interests in mind in the end though. Yet, you choose to disregard my case but jump on glurio out of the blue when there are plausible explanations for his behavior. I analyzed one post I thought was his strongest tell. While I will agree this along isn't as compelling as a contrived multi-quote analysis, I did read through his filter and saw nothing to lead me away from my suspicions and next to nothing that looked like pro-town behavior. I fail to see how the number of players doing analysis weakens my personal work. I have not been campaigning like you, before today my thread presence wasn't something incredible. So I don't necessarily inspire mass support immediately. But I don't think that should be used against me. Again, I don't deny that Kingjames is suspicious at all, but honestly have you seen supersoft's defense posts? Have you seen them? They are a wet tissue. Not even good enough to withstand a sneeze. His reaction to scrutiny has been the polar opposite of Kingjames but just as damning in my opinion. If you acknowledge the similarity between supersoft and glurio you CANNOT deny that a lynch of supersoft says a lot about your alignment. And this is something we as town need to be very sure of going forward. This is what makes this lynch better than kingjames and something that can't be ignored any longer. Lynching kingjames gives a fuckton of information on my alignment as well. If he flips town im basically up shits creek without a paddle. Why would you go to lynch someone to gain information on me that is nowhere nearly as informative as lynching someone I have invested near most of the day into? I said supersofts lynch wasnt viable today, the case on him isn't extensive enough. I also provided you with a post of his that screams out town to me. I have a complete red read on someone else, whos lynch would give far more information on me than any other candidate at this point, yet you want to lynch someone else for information on me? the fuck dude, seriously. | ||
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On January 21 2012 04:39 vaderseven wrote: BC, tell me how any info about you that a blue or green flip of KJ might reveal wouldnt be wifom? would be two townies I lynched + wasn't on a mafia vote wagon. Ignoring other cases while only pushing my own, etc... I'd be in a hotseat and have alot of explaining to do to avoid getting lynched. Lynching other players to gain information on me when I have said the case on isn't strong. I have read SS's filter and saw nothing glaringly "this guy is red" Me not seeing someone is red isnt a huge tell. Me heavily pushing someone to their death and trying to actively get my targets lynched purely is far more damning. -_- Does no one here actually think? | ||
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On January 21 2012 04:41 Protactinium wrote: No time to think about it, but supersoft is CURRENTLY nonsensical. Lets lynch sandroba first. I'll look over it later when I have time although I do recall supersoft being quite useless this game. The thing is, there's no reason to deviate from my list right now. We'll take care of the rest later. Lets just consolidate our votes. This day seems to have produced some interesting information. But right now is the time to lynch, not the time to insist on getting information. I'll sort through all this later if I'm not dead by that time. I am taking your judgement on this. The only reason I am ok with lynching sandroba is because of a comparison of this game and two others he has been in. First off everyone look at sandros filter from this game. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=21688 Now compare it to a game he was town which was Mafia XLVII http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=21688 and a game he was mafia which is pick your power interesting http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269956&user=21688 The level he has contributed this game is near non existent and aside from being slightly active day 1 he has fucked the dog completely. Much like he did in pick your power interesting. As such I am opting to lynch him over BM. This is because the general read on BM is hard as hell. BM is always hard to read and could very well be a hatter. With that in mind, I don't want to lose protrac and will opt to off sandroba instead as to keep one of the core analyzer alive longer. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:21 hiro protagonist wrote: Hey BC, Protac, remember when I made this great post detailing why Sandro was scum? BC called me an idiot for wanting to lynch sand, and protac thought my case was weak at best? I could not get any traction for my case without you guys, and now BC paraphrases my exact points in regard to sandroba, and protac comes in like it was his idea. just... you know ... Its just a bit ironic. his day 1 play had me convinced he was town. I had to read his filter from this game and compare it to a known scum him and a known town -_- His scum habit seems to be "solidify a townie read" day 1 then do near nothing to avoid being offed. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:28 Toadesstern wrote: quick question: Why did sandroba vote you d1 to be mayor? He "voted" for me d1. His vote never actually counted. However to appear townie at least me, he would have to have. He was never confrontational in PMs and the only other candidate he openly like was protract but he didnt like that he was going to lynch me as his d1 choice (this later changed by sandro was inactive the rest of that voting period). Based on the fact he liked my campaign more than protracts based on lynch choice would be why I believe he "voted" for me. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm going with KJ as my second vote. BC has really put himself out there on this one and he's done so in what I feel is a protown manner. Like his whole mason discussion, he's not shying away from the spotlight and he correctly pointed out he's going to be under intense scrutiny if KJ flips town. Besides these somewhat ethereal reasons, BC's case on KJ is good and KJ's defense of himself and his choice of lynch target I feel are scummy. At the time KJ went after p4ndemik I felt like it was a scum motivated move because p4n hadn't done much and would not be a controversial lynch target. P4ndemik started posting more and while I haven't noticed supersoft as an obviscum, p4n's case was made in a town fashion which makes KJ's choice of him as someone who's "scummy" even worse. Also BC, did you find my posts defending protact/sandroba or do you want me to c/p them for you? A word on BM, like I said earlier, I don't think he's a good lynch for today. L's accusations felt too genuine. I also don't want to run the risk of losing protact if BM really is telling the truth about being a hatter. I found them. I find they are slightly misrepresented in the way you talk about them as they were not a huge push you made, however you did have them so my major issue with you is at the moment cleared up. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:32 Jackal58 wrote: How are you guys all talking to each other? And what direction are you heading in? I'm a mason? The advantages are I can talk to different people every day -_- | ||
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On January 21 2012 06:50 p4NDemik wrote: None so far proven but I feel I have one under the spotlight and I'm with you on BM. Why are you and BC so self-unassured and relying on Proact? You guys are supposed to be super good veteran townies. Have more faith in yourself and have more faith in some of your fellow town. And most of all have faith in your read we all still think it is good. BM is BM. All reads on him although could possibly be accurate could be summed up with its BM. The risk of losing protract earlier because BM decided to troll us all is an actual possibility. We still have other leads which is why we opted to move to those. This isn't unreasonable to want to keep a strong analyzer alive longer. As for whoever said if he is a hatter and has a bomb on protract isn't that more a reason to lynch him? are you a friggen moron -_- | ||
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On January 21 2012 06:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: All of this boils down to the fact that we should be lynching GGQ :D In all seriousness, I really would appreciate the reasoning behind sandroba. I can understand not wanting protact to die (I share the sentiment) but sandroba feels like a really poor choice and almost an attempt to cash into the anti-sandroba sentiment from yesterday. All we're (and by me I mean the people who have been posting in the last five pages) asking for is a reason that isn't a rehash of yesterday's argument which you guys poopoo'd. I think a lot of us (at least Toad does and like I already said I've started to as well) harbor at least some suspicions of sandroba however the manner in which you're presenting your case is running up some red flags (and certainly my suspicions are not lynch worthy yet, hence why I'd like to hear your case). Also BC, I'd love if you could mason me next cycle (I assume you've already used it this cycle). Look at the filter of him as mafia and him as town then compare to this game. You can say "oh well that game had pms so his filter will be smaller" but just look at the type of contributions. He is most active day 1 then kinda vanishes completely from thread never leaving a real mark. He has done the same this game. He isn't really pushing candidates for lynches, calling people out for posting badly, etc.... like he did in GM's aborted game. The style of play is quite different. All three of us I think had a town view of roba day 1, he played very pro town. Since then he has done sweet F all. Not doing much 1 day is something you can almost go "everyone has a bad day" but two in a row is pushing it, factor in his few posts today and day 2 were more or less crap leads this to be a far better lynch choice. | ||
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Everyone who is reading this thread determining choices on who to lynch read the posts myself/foolishness/protrac have made then compare them to the ones on the other side. Everyone should be voting KingJames. After that there are many cases you could be on, I strongly advice sandroba, and both of foolishness and protract have posted similar views. Please vote properly. | ||
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I would place glurio higher on your list. I also believe that based on play, opz is far more likely to be red. | ||
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First three people IMO who should be lynched. BM, WBG, Meapak. I will be explaining why on each when I wake up as it is near 4am and I have been up for ages trying to fix my damn reads for this game. protract, please give a more solid round of your reads in the off chance you get shot tonight. | ||
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On January 21 2012 12:50 Bill Murray wrote: I'm not taking a bomb off I'm either putting another bomb out, or jailing to try to protect someone like a medic like if someone like Foolishness was just a townie, I could jailkeep them for 2 nights to guarantee they get to late game. That is more valuable. I am 50% protactinium is scum based on the election - it's either him or BC. I'm not moving that bomb, unless we're lynching BC. BM is unable to jail someone like foolishness twice in a row, He is able to move or place another bomb the same night he opts to jail someone. Also holding a town lynch hostage, which is in essence what you are doing, is not pro town. On January 21 2012 08:56 Bill Murray wrote: tonight I'm going to move my bomb to risk.nuke, since you all don't like it being on my top suspect would you all be adverse to me putting my 2nd bomb out first? I'd rather have a bomb on incog and a bomb on risk.nuke, before I think about moving my bomb off incog, to keep my utility The reason I claimed 1 bomb now is because I can move my 2nd bomb out tonight If you all want me to move my 1 bomb tonight, I can't maximize having both bombs out tonight. What if I'm roleblocked? This is all a bunch of shit. I don't see why I had to be pressured today, this really hurt our play TREMENDOUSLY. I was thinking about the Risk.Nuke situation when I was showering, and he really sucks. OMGUS all over the place, considering his tunneling started after I put him as #3 on my scumspects list. He's defending scummy Sandroba now? He can hang next. I would either put my 2nd bomb or move my bomb on GGQQ, but it seems like he's going to get lynched, and I don't want to lose it. You are not roleblockable. On January 21 2012 18:17 Bill Murray wrote: yeah lynch me when i was all over sandroba, and didnt want to lynch kingjames sandroba flipping red makes you look terrible foolishness's list is a joke, I am seriously doubting both of your abilities to lead the town right now, so I'm going to have to take over the reigns, gentlemen. Why? would you be taking the reigns? Between myself, foolishness, and protract a total of 4 reds have been called out who have flipped red. More to the point however, the lynches that hit two of those reds were pushed/directed by us. You were "all over sandroba" yet you never analyzed him, or strongly and vocally pushed him as a lynch option and instead just voted alongside everyone else. You sheeped. Before you rage around screaming "i scumhunted, i scumhunted" near all your "scum" are based off pure speculation and not real analysis. In some cases you just list people as red with no reason and continue on. Your contributions to this game have been near 0 and you have really not done anything aside from claim hatter with a bomb on protrac to do anything to save yourself. You didn't step up over day 3 even knowing you could still die as for going with the sheep comment you made hey guys, he was only after sandroba based on someone elses shite, he was sheeping! Town will most likely be annoyed as fuck with me over the kj lynch. However your play is riddled with pretty well 0 contributions, holding lynches hostage to determine if you do whats in the best interests of the towns or not, fear mongering, and lies. As a note, Do you remember the game you were a ninja and I was a ninja? Do you remember how you held the town hostage by saying "i will give the entire blue list out to the mafia if you don't give me the name of the last ninja?" Do you remember when they asked you to move your shot because someone else had sent in a kill action on that target well before you did and once again you refused? You clearly only play in your own personal best interests when you aren't town. Nothing you have done in this past day has been in the interests of the town, only in the interests of yourself. | ||
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On January 22 2012 00:54 Toadesstern wrote: Also I'd like to see another log from BC. When BC answered jackals question (along the lines "how do you vets talk with eatch other?") bc promptly said he's a mason. Foolish however said it's a game of realizing wether those 3 are taking the same path or not. Looked to me like he was not masoned. Protact did not say a word about it but I'd still like to see a log. At least something I don't want to run into a jack. Yeah I know, I thought myself when KJ posted that bc-might-be-joat-post that it's fearmongering but I actually take it as a viable option right now. which set would you like? I have protrac logs VE logs from where he mason'd me Foolishness logs. As a general note, if I claim I am mason'd to someone and they don't say "thats bullshit" in thread, the chances are guess what. I'm not lying. The only way I could be talking to them is if I was a jack and wasted 1 use and I was red with at least 1 of them, all of us were red, or I am in fact a mason. of the three sets of logs i'd prefer to show the ones with foolishness after the day post purely to have a full set of logs to show. | ||
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On January 22 2012 03:21 jaj22 wrote: I don't think this is true. Bill Murray has pushed Sandroba hard from day 1, and made a substantial case back then. Whatever else you can say about him, he does come out of this flip with some credit. he is quoted as saying if roba is mafia then ciry is town as well. We all know how that actually turned out. I can say, he pushed hard day 1 and that looks good, but what did he do thereafter? By process of pushing the macpo lynch I would gain credit, as would I for the roba flip as being one of the few to push it through today. as for substantial case? Could you link that please? I have yet to see it. LIke I have seen other peoples cases on roba, but I have yet to see a substantial case from BM. I acknowledge that BM pushed him, but he never gave solid analysis as to why. | ||
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On January 22 2012 04:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hey BC! Lemme guess, your case against me revolves around me defending sandroba. It also involves GGQ being town because sandroba attacked him. Either way I'd appreciate if you and foolishness would actually stand up and post a case against me rather than doing your veiled little "he's scum" statements. Surprisingly, no. I will be doing my case shortly, however there are other reasons. Defending roba is something myself, foolishness and protract were all guilty of. Can't find fault in an aspect of play we all had the same blindspot to. | ||
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On January 22 2012 03:20 Toadesstern wrote: oh also I'd like to hear some names from you BC. Just shout out who you want to lynch BC right now. preferable after the night-/day switch as well. currently based on reading via filter. BM, WBG, and Meapak in that order of preference. After that insert Glurio, Evantrees, Munk-e, opz, kenpachi, brownbear. As there are 6 mafia left, some of those are obviously at this point not correct, but they all seem intelligent choices based on the play of each one of the. | ||
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Foolishness + Show Spoiler + [19/01/2012 12:25:29 AM] james: youll be getting a pm in some near future [19/01/2012 12:25:30 AM] james: from fw [19/01/2012 12:35:19 AM] PCP: you masoned me? [19/01/2012 12:35:21 AM] PCP: or day vigi'd me? [19/01/2012 12:35:23 AM] PCP: ^.^ [19/01/2012 12:36:22 AM] james: mason'd yo [19/01/2012 12:36:29 AM] PCP: dude [19/01/2012 12:36:31 AM] PCP: why'd you mason me [19/01/2012 12:36:34 AM] PCP: lolol [19/01/2012 12:36:36 AM] james: lulululululul [19/01/2012 12:36:42 AM] james: i dunno [19/01/2012 12:36:45 AM] james: why'd i mason incog? [19/01/2012 12:36:52 AM] PCP: oh you masoned him yesterday? [19/01/2012 12:37:10 AM] james: yep [19/01/2012 12:37:30 AM] james: sandro incog you [19/01/2012 12:37:53 AM] james: seems the more intelligent method of masoning atm [19/01/2012 12:37:59 AM] PCP: okay [19/01/2012 12:38:24 AM] PCP: I'm just a townie [19/01/2012 12:38:28 AM] PCP: I'm sure kingjames is mafia [19/01/2012 12:38:30 AM] james: so am I [19/01/2012 12:38:35 AM] PCP: don't know how I feel about bill murray [19/01/2012 12:38:39 AM] PCP: oh yeah you're the one that pushed him XD [19/01/2012 12:38:50 AM] james: think I was going for him first? not sure [19/01/2012 12:39:12 AM] PCP: just so many stupid people in the thread, I lose track easily of who wants to kill who x.x [19/01/2012 12:40:04 AM] james: im honestly not sure how I feel about all the vet claiming [19/01/2012 12:40:06 AM] james: hits [19/01/2012 12:40:25 AM] james: + a claimed vig offing the gf. That seems like a really really really [19/01/2012 12:40:39 AM] james: unlucky night considering bm was suppppposed to be on L [19/01/2012 12:41:24 AM] james: also, there are at least 2 [19/01/2012 12:41:28 AM] james: non public claimed masons [19/01/2012 12:41:30 AM] james: running around [19/01/2012 12:41:41 AM] james: 1 of which is not posting in thread at all [19/01/2012 12:41:57 AM] james: and bm would be able to tell you if the other was (provided he wasn't full of shit the day before) [19/01/2012 12:45:07 AM] PCP: yeah [19/01/2012 12:45:11 AM] PCP: I'm going to be quite honest [19/01/2012 12:45:16 AM] PCP: I'm only half reading the thread [19/01/2012 12:45:44 AM] james: lol [19/01/2012 12:46:27 AM] james: finding it painful to read? [19/01/2012 12:46:56 AM] james: bm claimed hatter -_- [19/01/2012 12:47:50 AM] PCP: strange [19/01/2012 12:48:28 AM] PCP: also [19/01/2012 12:48:35 AM] PCP: is there any chance any of the BGs are mafia? [19/01/2012 12:48:44 AM] PCP: you obviously don't have to tell me if you're worried [19/01/2012 12:48:48 AM] james: possible that at least one is [19/01/2012 12:48:51 AM] PCP: or give me a vague response [19/01/2012 12:48:51 AM] PCP: kk [19/01/2012 12:49:09 AM] PCP: just you saying that is helpful for the future [19/01/2012 12:49:16 AM] james: i can safetly rule out both roba and opz of being red [19/01/2012 12:49:18 AM] james: together [19/01/2012 12:49:20 AM] james: however [19/01/2012 12:49:29 AM] james: 1 or the other being red is still a chance [19/01/2012 12:49:34 AM] james: but both hell no [19/01/2012 12:49:48 AM] PCP: I don't think sandroba is town [19/01/2012 12:49:51 AM] PCP: he called out his gf if he is [19/01/2012 12:49:57 AM] PCP: err I don't think he is mafia* [19/01/2012 12:50:00 AM] james: he called out his gf [19/01/2012 12:50:13 AM] james: he didnt want me offing you/protrac/palmar/bb/wheover else [19/01/2012 12:50:14 AM] james: i listed originally [19/01/2012 12:50:21 AM] james: but wanted macpo [19/01/2012 12:50:22 AM] james: or ciry [19/01/2012 12:50:27 AM] james: i seem to find it unlikely [19/01/2012 12:50:32 AM] james: that he would keep pushing red targets as red [19/01/2012 12:50:33 AM] PCP: okay good [19/01/2012 12:50:40 AM] james: same reason I think incog is town [19/01/2012 12:50:46 AM] james: the constant pushing of his own teammates [19/01/2012 12:50:48 AM] james: just doesn't make sense [19/01/2012 12:50:51 AM] james: offing 1 maybe [19/01/2012 12:50:55 AM] james: 2 though? [19/01/2012 12:51:01 AM] PCP: same here [19/01/2012 12:51:02 AM] james: and being heavily responsibly for a 3rd? [19/01/2012 12:51:10 AM] PCP: also his mafia list [19/01/2012 12:51:11 AM] james: responsible* [19/01/2012 12:51:14 AM] PCP: coincides with my own [19/01/2012 12:51:16 AM] james: same [19/01/2012 12:51:18 AM] PCP: err at least a lot of it [19/01/2012 12:51:28 AM] james: the major reads [19/01/2012 12:51:30 AM] james: we all had similar takes on [19/01/2012 12:52:11 AM] PCP: yes [19/01/2012 12:52:20 AM] PCP: I still think Opz might be mafia [19/01/2012 12:52:31 AM] james: he hasn't done anything [19/01/2012 12:52:32 AM] james: at all [19/01/2012 12:52:37 AM] james: and normally he antagonizes me [19/01/2012 12:52:40 AM] james: like no toooooomorrow [19/01/2012 12:52:45 AM] PCP: normally he antagonizes everyone x.x [19/01/2012 12:52:52 AM] james: hes super aggressive with me [19/01/2012 12:52:55 AM] james: the fact he mason'd me [19/01/2012 12:52:59 AM] james: and asked me for advice [19/01/2012 12:53:08 AM] james: in a really, passive way [19/01/2012 12:53:12 AM] james: was weird as fuck [19/01/2012 12:53:25 AM] PCP: yeah [19/01/2012 12:53:43 AM] james: i still [19/01/2012 12:53:45 AM] james: don't like jackal [19/01/2012 12:53:53 AM] PCP: he shot L? [19/01/2012 12:54:00 AM] james: and we have [19/01/2012 12:54:05 AM] james: 3 vet claims? [19/01/2012 12:54:14 AM] james: or at least 2 vet claims + 1 claimed hit from day 2 [19/01/2012 12:54:21 AM] PCP: kitaman was protted right? [19/01/2012 12:54:30 AM] james: not sure, didnt he say he just took a hit? [19/01/2012 12:54:39 AM] PCP: that was after night 1 [19/01/2012 12:55:30 AM] james: yea [19/01/2012 12:55:44 AM] PCP: also [19/01/2012 12:55:47 AM] PCP: whoever is directing mafia hits [19/01/2012 12:55:51 AM] PCP: is blue sniping [19/01/2012 12:55:52 AM] james: yea [19/01/2012 12:56:00 AM] james: which mans [19/01/2012 12:56:01 AM] james: means* [19/01/2012 12:56:08 AM] james: semi decent player, and brb bathroom [19/01/2012 12:56:14 AM] PCP: kk [19/01/2012 12:56:30 AM] PCP: but I was thinking that [19/01/2012 12:56:31 AM] PCP: mafia team of [19/01/2012 12:56:42 AM] PCP: L, Bill Murray, BrownBear, kingjames, Opz [19/01/2012 12:56:44 AM] PCP: would be fine [19/01/2012 12:56:49 AM] PCP: considering you me and incog are all town [19/01/2012 12:57:25 AM] PCP: toss in another decent player(scamp, bumatlarge, etc) or two and you got a solid mafia team for this game [19/01/2012 12:57:37 AM] PCP: and meapak maybe in there [19/01/2012 1:00:44 AM] james: ok, this isn't concrete but its a main thought as I just had it [19/01/2012 1:00:53 AM] james: the "plan" was to jail L [19/01/2012 1:01:04 AM] james: which mafia knew would lower the night kp [19/01/2012 1:01:13 AM] james: is it beyond the realm of reason [19/01/2012 1:01:26 AM] james: to have 1 of them shoot someone who was going to die anyway [19/01/2012 1:01:28 AM] james: to gain cred? [19/01/2012 1:01:35 AM] PCP: no way [19/01/2012 1:01:36 AM] PCP: town cred is such a fickle thing [19/01/2012 1:01:42 AM] PCP: and hardly anyone does stuff like that [19/01/2012 1:01:52 AM] PCP: and the people who would do stuff like that (me) [19/01/2012 1:01:56 AM] james: or me [19/01/2012 1:01:58 AM] james: or incog [19/01/2012 1:01:59 AM] james: or bm [19/01/2012 1:02:00 AM] PCP: have an incredibly difficult time convincing other people to do it [19/01/2012 1:02:02 AM] PCP: yeah [19/01/2012 1:02:02 AM] james: or L [19/01/2012 1:02:18 AM] PCP: well we both know that we're good enough to do that plan and make it work [19/01/2012 1:02:23 AM] PCP: problem is the newbies don't [19/01/2012 1:02:32 AM] james: true [19/01/2012 1:02:35 AM] james: but based on macpo's defense post [19/01/2012 1:02:45 AM] james: i think its safe to say [19/01/2012 1:02:50 AM] james: newbies on team are being coached [19/01/2012 1:02:57 AM] PCP: sure [19/01/2012 1:03:50 AM] PCP: if Bill Murray is mafia [19/01/2012 1:03:53 AM] PCP: he wouldn't have jailed L [19/01/2012 1:04:02 AM] PCP: if he was town, he wouldn't have jailed L [19/01/2012 1:04:20 AM] james: bm is fucked lol [19/01/2012 1:04:23 AM] james: in the head [19/01/2012 1:04:24 AM] james: jesus [19/01/2012 1:05:44 AM] james: and with that I gotta crash. long day + sick = tired bc. Talk to you later duder [19/01/2012 1:06:44 AM] PCP: kk np [19/01/2012 1:06:45 AM] PCP: ttyl [19/01/2012 1:06:49 AM] PCP: also [19/01/2012 1:06:54 AM] PCP: school got cancelled for me tomorrow [19/01/2012 1:06:56 AM] PCP: so I'll be around all day [19/01/2012 1:07:00 AM] PCP: so hit me up whenever [19/01/2012 1:07:57 AM] james: kk [19/01/2012 1:27:40 PM] james: random bit of info, if ve claims to use another power at any point in ghe game [19/01/2012 1:27:43 PM] james: hes red [19/01/2012 3:29:42 PM] PCP: why [19/01/2012 3:44:25 PM] PCP: I'm pretty sure p4ndemik is town [19/01/2012 3:49:28 PM] PCP: oh kingjames votes for p4ndemik [19/01/2012 3:49:35 PM] PCP: yeah p4ndemik town XD [19/01/2012 3:53:41 PM] PCP: kingjames soft claimed vet [19/01/2012 3:53:45 PM] PCP: don't know if you saw that or not [19/01/2012 4:01:08 PM] james: i did [19/01/2012 4:01:12 PM] james: i say the bit about ve because [19/01/2012 4:01:19 PM] james: hes claimed vet power [19/01/2012 4:01:20 PM] james: and hes mason'd [19/01/2012 4:01:23 PM] james: anythign else he does [19/01/2012 4:01:25 PM] james: = he lied [19/01/2012 4:01:26 PM] james: and is red [19/01/2012 4:01:27 PM] PCP: who did you vote for for mayor? [19/01/2012 4:01:33 PM] james: meapak [19/01/2012 4:01:38 PM] PCP: do you know who sandroba voted for? [19/01/2012 4:01:46 PM] james: he didnt vote in voting thread but threw down a vote for me in the thread itself [19/01/2012 4:01:56 PM] james: so he didnt vote [19/01/2012 4:01:58 PM] PCP: right [19/01/2012 4:02:03 PM] james: also [19/01/2012 4:02:10 PM] PCP: oops not you you voted correctly =P I meant protactinium [19/01/2012 4:02:18 PM] james: incog didnt vote [19/01/2012 4:02:23 PM] PCP: but he voted in thread [19/01/2012 4:02:24 PM] james: oh [19/01/2012 4:02:28 PM] james: not sure then [19/01/2012 4:02:29 PM] PCP: like sandroba [19/01/2012 4:02:41 PM] james: id have to check his filter [19/01/2012 4:02:44 PM] james: KJ i think is red [19/01/2012 4:02:48 PM] james: for a few reasons now moreso than before [19/01/2012 4:02:54 PM] james: all analysis on him seems to be getting buried [19/01/2012 4:03:01 PM] james: he only comes out really when pressured [19/01/2012 4:03:14 PM] PCP: yes we need to kill KJ [19/01/2012 4:03:15 PM] james: and he tried to pin you and protrac but instead found a random quote of p4n [19/01/2012 4:03:18 PM] PCP: his vet claim doesn't make sense [19/01/2012 4:03:20 PM] james: that made him leap out? [19/01/2012 4:03:28 PM] james: he also said "i was trying to get hit" [19/01/2012 4:03:35 PM] james: uh, if your heavily analyzed by 3 players who are all scumhunting [19/01/2012 4:03:43 PM] james: mafia wont shoot you ever [19/01/2012 4:03:58 PM] james: BM's hatter claim [19/01/2012 4:03:59 PM] james: is fucked [19/01/2012 4:05:20 PM] PCP: yeah that's a good point about KJ [19/01/2012 4:05:39 PM] PCP: I never understand why you run for office if you're hatter, since your role is dependent on you dying [19/01/2012 4:05:43 PM] PCP: same with veteran [19/01/2012 4:05:47 PM] james: yep [19/01/2012 4:05:52 PM] james: and then to say [19/01/2012 4:05:54 PM] james: "i didnt do anything last night" [19/01/2012 4:06:00 PM] PCP: though L has almost won as hatter [19/01/2012 4:06:00 PM] james: via bomb drop [19/01/2012 4:06:11 PM] james: OR sheriff ability? [19/01/2012 4:07:12 PM] PCP: yeah [19/01/2012 4:07:15 PM] PCP: hmm [19/01/2012 4:07:18 PM] PCP: you ever notice that [19/01/2012 4:07:23 PM] PCP: Bill Murray only causes problems [19/01/2012 4:07:25 PM] PCP: in games he's town [19/01/2012 4:07:30 PM] james: hmm [19/01/2012 4:07:30 PM] PCP: this game he's been on his best behavior [19/01/2012 4:07:32 PM] PCP: lolol [19/01/2012 4:07:35 PM] james: lol [19/01/2012 4:07:41 PM] james: do you think his general meta [19/01/2012 4:07:41 PM] james: is the same? [19/01/2012 4:07:51 PM] james: i know hes spamming so little compared to normal [19/01/2012 4:07:55 PM] PCP: it's close [19/01/2012 4:08:01 PM] PCP: though he has to be on good behavior regardless [19/01/2012 4:08:05 PM] PCP: since it's his first game back [19/01/2012 4:08:05 PM] james: fair [19/01/2012 4:08:12 PM] PCP: plus flamewheel might be warning him a bit [19/01/2012 4:08:17 PM] james: oh, is it normal for a newer player [19/01/2012 4:08:19 PM] james: to keep posting [19/01/2012 4:08:24 PM] james: that they are right all the time on their reads? [19/01/2012 4:08:25 PM] PCP: so don't think we can use post count to analyze [19/01/2012 4:08:40 PM] PCP: if they are citi.zen and have a huge ego yeah [19/01/2012 4:08:46 PM] james: like I can see saying "i fucking told you this guy aws red" [19/01/2012 4:08:47 PM] james: or shit like that [19/01/2012 4:08:50 PM] james: but to keep saying [19/01/2012 4:08:55 PM] james: "i knew he was town, so read that guy as town" [19/01/2012 4:09:16 PM] james: and fw has tos tart counting my vote [19/01/2012 4:09:18 PM] james: correctly -_- [19/01/2012 4:09:41 PM] PCP: haha flamewheel doing it just to laugh at you [19/01/2012 4:10:06 PM] james: hmm? [19/01/2012 4:10:17 PM] james: it messes up [19/01/2012 4:10:19 PM] james: the voting #'s [19/01/2012 4:10:57 PM] james: as a note, i believe [19/01/2012 4:10:58 PM] james: glurio [19/01/2012 4:10:59 PM] james: is red [19/01/2012 4:11:18 PM] PCP: I could believe that [19/01/2012 4:11:23 PM] james: he also replaced [19/01/2012 4:11:25 PM] james: d3 [19/01/2012 4:11:33 PM] PCP: we're (by that I mean you me and Incog) are too focused on active/semi-active players [19/01/2012 4:11:37 PM] PCP: there has to be more lurker mafia [19/01/2012 4:11:43 PM] james: well, glurio my reasoning for is [19/01/2012 4:11:50 PM] james: he has been active outside the thread [19/01/2012 4:11:53 PM] james: while never posting in it [19/01/2012 4:11:58 PM] james: -_- + hes a mason so [19/01/2012 4:12:07 PM] PCP: he's a mason? o.O [19/01/2012 4:12:07 PM] PCP: when did that happen [19/01/2012 4:12:13 PM] james: yesterday [19/01/2012 4:12:15 PM] james: he mason'd me [19/01/2012 4:12:18 PM] PCP: ohh [19/01/2012 4:12:19 PM] james: i heavily implied it to incog [19/01/2012 4:12:23 PM] PCP: who he mason night 1? [19/01/2012 4:12:30 PM] james: didn't talk to him tbh [19/01/2012 4:12:34 PM] james: he mason'd me [19/01/2012 4:12:34 PM] james: waited a day [19/01/2012 4:12:36 PM] james: and sent me [19/01/2012 4:12:49 PM] james: Hey so what do you think is our best course of action right now? [19/01/2012 4:13:00 PM] james: and this is after you incog and myself [19/01/2012 4:13:15 PM] james: were trying to get the lynch candidates narrowed down [19/01/2012 4:13:20 PM] james: he also made some deal about promising [19/01/2012 4:13:25 PM] james: to be active in thread [19/01/2012 4:13:33 PM] james: early on and appeared to vote and vanish [19/01/2012 4:13:45 PM] PCP: are you sure he's not bad townie? [19/01/2012 4:13:49 PM] PCP: err [19/01/2012 4:13:58 PM] PCP: if you were mafia, would you give him a mason power? lol [19/01/2012 4:14:06 PM] james: well [19/01/2012 4:14:17 PM] james: its easier to coach [19/01/2012 4:14:19 PM] james: newer people as red [19/01/2012 4:14:22 PM] james: in pm use [19/01/2012 4:14:26 PM] james: than a townie having a mason role [19/01/2012 4:14:35 PM] james: + promising shit in thread [19/01/2012 4:14:42 PM] james: then doing fuck all [19/01/2012 4:15:11 PM] james: and masoning a player who was trying to get people to only vote for two people [19/01/2012 4:15:43 PM] PCP: yeah I mean [19/01/2012 4:15:46 PM] PCP: without looking at his posts [19/01/2012 4:15:50 PM] PCP: just seems like he's retarded [19/01/2012 4:15:54 PM] james: would they have given the mason role [19/01/2012 4:15:55 PM] james: to d3 [19/01/2012 4:15:59 PM] james: before he was subbed out? [19/01/2012 4:16:06 PM] james: if so [19/01/2012 4:16:11 PM] james: newbie would be stuck with it [19/01/2012 4:16:17 PM] james: theres also apparently 1 [19/01/2012 4:16:26 PM] james: mason who went for bm [19/01/2012 4:16:31 PM] PCP: yes but remember mafia almost never get replaced ^.^ [19/01/2012 4:16:34 PM] james: whos not claimed publically either [19/01/2012 4:16:39 PM] james: eh? [19/01/2012 4:16:44 PM] james: ive had reds replaced [19/01/2012 4:16:45 PM] james: lol [19/01/2012 4:17:20 PM] PCP: well yeah it happens [19/01/2012 4:17:25 PM] PCP: just not as much [19/01/2012 4:17:49 PM] james: fair [19/01/2012 4:19:30 PM] james: on an unrelated note [19/01/2012 4:19:35 PM] james: how does the US intend to prosecute [19/01/2012 4:19:42 PM] james: a ton of people from megaupload [19/01/2012 4:19:45 PM] james: if they aren't americans [19/01/2012 4:19:55 PM] PCP: just shoot them [19/01/2012 4:20:02 PM] james: lol [19/01/2012 4:21:09 PM] PCP: hilariously there's probably some degree of truth to what I saw [19/01/2012 4:21:29 PM] PCP: maybe megaupload will be the next excuse to invade whatever country the US wants to [19/01/2012 4:22:48 PM] james: loool [19/01/2012 4:23:54 PM] PCP: oh I think hiro protagonist is town [19/01/2012 4:26:17 PM] PCP: cause his accusation against sandroba [19/01/2012 4:26:28 PM] PCP: while nothing special, you can tell it's a honest effort to contribute [19/01/2012 4:26:38 PM] PCP: and he's not trying to hide anything when he makes it [19/01/2012 4:28:15 PM] james: most likely yes [19/01/2012 4:28:22 PM] james: hiro is pretty genuine as town [19/01/2012 5:52:31 PM] PCP: do you want to double lynch tomorrow? [19/01/2012 5:57:08 PM] james: at the moment im not sure [19/01/2012 5:57:19 PM] james: theres too many people trying to push their own agendas [19/01/2012 5:57:31 PM] james: which means we need solid lynches today to get a good read for tommorrow [19/01/2012 5:57:49 PM] PCP: hmm okay [19/01/2012 5:58:01 PM] PCP: though we might want to doubly lynch anyways while you me and incog all have a chance to be alive with it XD [19/01/2012 6:04:46 PM] james: lol [19/01/2012 6:04:52 PM] james: selfish reasons [19/01/2012 6:05:34 PM] PCP: well I don't trust anyone else with the lynches [19/01/2012 6:06:56 PM] james: thats fair [19/01/2012 6:07:19 PM] PCP: hahaha [19/01/2012 7:31:55 PM] james: list of claimed masons just so its posted somewhere [19/01/2012 7:32:12 PM] james: jitsu, supersoft, glurio, bloodyc0bbler, opz, (mattchew) [19/01/2012 7:32:49 PM] james: List of jacks claimed - VE, who has used a mason ability, claims use of vet [19/01/2012 7:49:00 PM] PCP: supersoft claimed? [19/01/2012 7:49:01 PM] PCP: o.O [19/01/2012 8:01:24 PM] james: yea [19/01/2012 8:01:49 PM] james: theres one unconfirmed mason that mason'd bm apparently day 2 [19/01/2012 8:01:59 PM] james: so 7 masons, 1 jack [19/01/2012 8:02:02 PM] james: all around in pms [19/01/2012 8:02:09 PM] james: or VE is fake claiming his role [19/01/2012 8:02:21 PM] PCP: I don't think VE is fake claiming [19/01/2012 8:02:23 PM] PCP: personally I don't think anyone is fake cliaming [19/01/2012 8:02:28 PM] PCP: except BM [19/01/2012 8:02:39 PM] PCP: nobody else claimed under pressure or anyhting [19/01/2012 8:03:10 PM] james: why are people unvoting kingjames -_- [19/01/2012 8:03:24 PM] PCP: cause they are stupid [19/01/2012 8:03:31 PM] PCP: we still have over 25 hours so I'm not terribly worried yet [19/01/2012 8:03:37 PM] james: nor am i [19/01/2012 8:03:40 PM] james: but hes accusing p4n [19/01/2012 8:03:42 PM] james: of the same shit [19/01/2012 8:03:45 PM] james: we are accusing him of [19/01/2012 8:03:52 PM] james: and people are like "yea p4n useless" [19/01/2012 8:04:23 PM] PCP: except p4n isn't [19/01/2012 8:04:30 PM] PCP: have you looked through his posts? [19/01/2012 8:04:36 PM] PCP: I haven't really gone through them thoroughly but [19/01/2012 8:04:43 PM] PCP: don't really see how he can be mafia [19/01/2012 8:06:35 PM] james: he seems like hes trying to contribute [19/01/2012 8:06:39 PM] james: and just not hitting that mark [19/01/2012 8:06:47 PM] james: i haven't seen anything "jump" worthy yet [19/01/2012 8:07:31 PM] PCP: okay good [19/01/2012 8:07:48 PM] james: toad [19/01/2012 8:07:52 PM] james: is weird [19/01/2012 8:07:53 PM] james: today [19/01/2012 8:08:17 PM] james: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=138#2749 thoughts on this? [19/01/2012 8:08:17 PM] PCP: eh not really [19/01/2012 8:08:19 PM] PCP: feels like yesterday [19/01/2012 8:08:40 PM] PCP: dumb townie not making sense? [19/01/2012 8:08:45 PM] james: lol [19/01/2012 8:08:50 PM] PCP: I feel like we might be overthinking things [19/01/2012 8:08:53 PM] PCP: like just today [19/01/2012 8:08:57 PM] PCP: it's the same 5-10 people posting right [19/01/2012 8:09:02 PM] james: pretty well [19/01/2012 8:09:07 PM] PCP: what are the chances there are multiple mafia in there? [19/01/2012 8:09:11 PM] PCP: next to none [19/01/2012 8:09:14 PM] james: i kinda want to out glurio [19/01/2012 8:09:17 PM] james: also [19/01/2012 8:09:18 PM] PCP: exception of bill murray of course [19/01/2012 8:09:19 PM] james: i think kita [19/01/2012 8:09:21 PM] james: likely red [19/01/2012 8:09:25 PM] PCP: kita got hit night 1? [19/01/2012 8:09:30 PM] james: claimed hit night 1 [19/01/2012 8:09:35 PM] james: no medic [19/01/2012 8:09:37 PM] james: confirmed [19/01/2012 8:09:39 PM] james: obviously [19/01/2012 8:09:41 PM] james: and if hes a vet [19/01/2012 8:09:44 PM] james: thats 2 vets [19/01/2012 8:09:51 PM] james: 4 vigis [19/01/2012 8:09:52 PM] PCP: this is a 50 player game [19/01/2012 8:09:53 PM] james: 1 jack [19/01/2012 8:09:54 PM] PCP: and there are a lot of vigis [19/01/2012 8:09:56 PM] james: 1 mher [19/01/2012 8:09:59 PM] james: 7 masons [19/01/2012 8:10:05 PM] james: if all claims are correct [19/01/2012 8:10:11 PM] james: im assuming theres at least [19/01/2012 8:10:15 PM] james: 1 fakeclaimer [19/01/2012 8:10:21 PM] PCP: yeah but mason's aren't really a role though [19/01/2012 8:10:27 PM] james: well its a role [19/01/2012 8:10:30 PM] PCP: they don't affect the game in the same way [19/01/2012 8:10:30 PM] james: just on both sides [19/01/2012 8:16:03 PM] PCP: k [19/01/2012 8:16:08 PM] PCP: anyways there's 7 mafia alive [19/01/2012 8:16:08 PM] PCP: let's just go down the list [19/01/2012 8:16:13 PM] PCP: and see what we think about every person [19/01/2012 8:16:45 PM] PCP: kingjames we both think is mafia [19/01/2012 8:16:50 PM] PCP: Cwave (who replaced refallen) [19/01/2012 8:18:08 PM] PCP: inactive nub, his posts (which total like 5) show that he's interested in the town [19/01/2012 8:19:36 PM] PCP: supersoft I'm pretty sure is town [19/01/2012 8:19:37 PM] PCP: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=52#1030 [19/01/2012 8:19:44 PM] PCP: that post is pretty town oriented [19/01/2012 8:20:47 PM] james: he seems it, but his contributions are meh [19/01/2012 8:21:07 PM] james: slardar [19/01/2012 8:21:12 PM] james: doesn't post [19/01/2012 8:21:17 PM] james: inactive nub ran for office [19/01/2012 8:21:54 PM] PCP: yeah [19/01/2012 8:21:58 PM] PCP: needs to be pressured [19/01/2012 8:22:01 PM] PCP: probably will reveal himself [19/01/2012 8:22:10 PM] james: risk.nuke [19/01/2012 8:22:15 PM] james: ran for office [19/01/2012 8:22:19 PM] james: again, hasn't done that much [19/01/2012 8:22:25 PM] james: although hes been active [19/01/2012 8:22:29 PM] PCP: yeah [19/01/2012 8:22:39 PM] PCP: his candidacy strikes me as a town [19/01/2012 8:24:08 PM] james: kita [19/01/2012 8:24:17 PM] james: atm i think is scumish as he hasn't done any solid contributing [19/01/2012 8:24:52 PM] PCP: yeah but he took a hit [19/01/2012 8:24:59 PM] PCP: and there is a hit unaccounted for [19/01/2012 8:25:13 PM] james: true [19/01/2012 8:25:26 PM] james: but that could mean a double stack [19/01/2012 8:25:30 PM] james: as well [19/01/2012 8:25:38 PM] PCP: on who? [19/01/2012 8:26:02 PM] james: haha, kurumi maybe? although that woudl be a terribad choice [19/01/2012 8:26:21 PM] PCP: looool [19/01/2012 8:26:29 PM] james: but yea, hes kinda derping [19/01/2012 8:26:30 PM] james: this game [19/01/2012 8:26:35 PM] james: so even as town he hasn't done much [19/01/2012 8:26:54 PM] james: Cybercheese? [19/01/2012 8:26:59 PM] james: with all the people on his nuts [19/01/2012 8:27:05 PM] james: im thinking bad town, but could also be [19/01/2012 8:27:07 PM] james: terribad red [19/01/2012 8:27:16 PM] james: hes inactive enough to go unnoticed for the most part [19/01/2012 8:27:26 PM] PCP: cyber cheese? [19/01/2012 8:27:27 PM] PCP: he has a lot of psots [19/01/2012 8:27:37 PM] PCP: he's at 7 pages [19/01/2012 8:27:39 PM] james: are they just total glaze over posts? [19/01/2012 8:27:55 PM] james: as I don't remember seeing him post as instantly [19/01/2012 8:27:59 PM] james: "WOW YOUR BAD" [19/01/2012 8:28:01 PM] PCP: not particularly [19/01/2012 8:28:02 PM] james: like day 1 [19/01/2012 8:28:05 PM] PCP: him derping [19/01/2012 8:28:06 PM] PCP: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=113#2244 [19/01/2012 8:28:09 PM] PCP: that's the post of all the filters [19/01/2012 8:28:11 PM] PCP: I just always have it open lol [19/01/2012 8:28:20 PM] james: lol [19/01/2012 8:30:52 PM] PCP: I don't think he'd be posting this much [19/01/2012 8:30:53 PM] PCP: or this derpy [19/01/2012 8:31:15 PM] james: whats your [19/01/2012 8:31:19 PM] james: view on kenpachi? [19/01/2012 8:31:29 PM] PCP: what about jayjay [19/01/2012 8:31:59 PM] PCP: wow jayjay has a lot of posts [19/01/2012 8:32:02 PM] james: tunneling townie? [19/01/2012 8:32:02 PM] PCP: almost 10 pages [19/01/2012 8:32:07 PM] james: he spent a fuck ton of time [19/01/2012 8:32:09 PM] james: pushing me [19/01/2012 8:32:43 PM] PCP: I assume his best argument was "cause I said so?" [19/01/2012 8:32:57 PM] james: about it [19/01/2012 8:33:02 PM] james: he doesn't read carefully enough [19/01/2012 8:33:08 PM] james: and makes wtf arguments [19/01/2012 8:33:17 PM] PCP: k easy read there [19/01/2012 8:33:27 PM] PCP: reading kenpachi's filter now [19/01/2012 8:33:48 PM] james: jesus, im on CC's filter [19/01/2012 8:33:54 PM] james: and pages 1-3 [19/01/2012 8:33:56 PM] james: so fare [19/01/2012 8:33:58 PM] james: are all day 1 -_- [19/01/2012 8:34:05 PM] PCP: yeah [19/01/2012 8:35:04 PM] james: nah, hes town [19/01/2012 8:35:08 PM] james: cc that is [19/01/2012 8:35:16 PM] james: annoying [19/01/2012 8:35:17 PM] PCP: yeah [19/01/2012 8:35:18 PM] james: as fuck town [19/01/2012 8:35:23 PM] james: but his posts scream it [19/01/2012 8:35:34 PM] james: bringing up excel one sec [19/01/2012 8:35:38 PM] james: going to make better notes of this [19/01/2012 8:36:27 PM] PCP: haha yeah I'm doing the same [19/01/2012 8:36:46 PM] james: uh [19/01/2012 8:36:48 PM] james: kenpachi wtf? [19/01/2012 8:36:59 PM] james: aside from calling out blazhor [19/01/2012 8:37:01 PM] james: hes done nothing [19/01/2012 8:37:02 PM] james: -_- [19/01/2012 8:37:25 PM] PCP: yeah I know [19/01/2012 8:37:33 PM] PCP: definite suspect [19/01/2012 8:38:11 PM] PCP: I'm leaning towards some sort of blue role [19/01/2012 8:38:19 PM] PCP: but still a suspect of course [19/01/2012 8:41:41 PM] PCP: Munk-E is strange [19/01/2012 8:42:11 PM] james: munke and cwave [19/01/2012 8:42:14 PM] james: scream newbie reds to me [19/01/2012 8:42:20 PM] james: around just enough to escape [19/01/2012 8:42:21 PM] james: modkills [19/01/2012 8:42:29 PM] james: but not leaving any marks on the thread [19/01/2012 8:42:58 PM] PCP: munk-E has that long analysis post [19/01/2012 8:43:07 PM] PCP: which is definitely odd [19/01/2012 8:43:32 PM] james: considering its only been the one? [19/01/2012 8:43:44 PM] PCP: there are multiple reasons [19/01/2012 8:43:48 PM] PCP: have you read through it carefully? [19/01/2012 8:43:55 PM] PCP: I mean yeah, upfront it seems out of place for him [19/01/2012 8:44:00 PM] james: let me read it in detail [19/01/2012 8:44:12 PM] PCP: yeah he says a few things which are questionable to his role [19/01/2012 8:46:34 PM] james: with all [19/01/2012 8:46:38 PM] james: the shit he throws on me [19/01/2012 8:46:39 PM] james: in that post [19/01/2012 8:46:43 PM] james: how is it that he decided [19/01/2012 8:46:44 PM] james: bm [19/01/2012 8:46:45 PM] james: was the red? [19/01/2012 8:47:01 PM] james: he chooses 2 of bms post [19/01/2012 8:47:02 PM] james: s [19/01/2012 8:47:05 PM] james: does like 1-2 lines [19/01/2012 8:47:08 PM] james: and says red [19/01/2012 8:47:08 PM] PCP: yeah I also like how he never says more than 3 lines about BM too [19/01/2012 8:47:15 PM] james: meanwhile he heavy [19/01/2012 8:47:18 PM] james: analyzes me and protrac [19/01/2012 8:47:28 PM] PCP: and he never reaches a conclusion on you either [19/01/2012 8:47:43 PM] james: no but he [19/01/2012 8:47:44 PM] james: heavy [19/01/2012 8:47:45 PM] james: implies [19/01/2012 8:47:46 PM] james: scum [19/01/2012 8:47:51 PM] james: he just doesn't say it [19/01/2012 8:48:04 PM] PCP: yeah but his last paragraph about you is like, "well this is too complicated to have been set up by mafia" [19/01/2012 8:48:26 PM] james: its a weird post [19/01/2012 8:48:39 PM] james: he also hasnt posted [19/01/2012 8:48:41 PM] james: in the main thread since [19/01/2012 8:48:56 PM] james: wow that was on page 117 [19/01/2012 8:48:59 PM] PCP: correct [19/01/2012 8:49:08 PM] PCP: does a big analysis but never follows up? [19/01/2012 8:49:10 PM] PCP: shady [19/01/2012 8:49:33 PM] james: yea [19/01/2012 8:49:36 PM] james: very [19/01/2012 8:50:36 PM] james: echelontee [19/01/2012 8:51:03 PM] PCP: he said I was suspicious multiple times [19/01/2012 8:51:12 PM] james: he says people are suspicious [19/01/2012 8:51:15 PM] PCP: then he says [19/01/2012 8:51:15 PM] PCP: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=77#1534 [19/01/2012 8:51:18 PM] PCP: (first line) [19/01/2012 8:51:34 PM] james: yea [19/01/2012 8:52:13 PM] james: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=120#2391 [19/01/2012 8:52:15 PM] james: he posts this after [19/01/2012 8:52:26 PM] james: which is a "i think x is mafia but i wont vote till others say its ok" in my head at least [19/01/2012 8:52:44 PM] PCP: he practically says that XD [19/01/2012 8:52:48 PM] james: yea [19/01/2012 8:52:52 PM] james: like theres no [19/01/2012 8:52:56 PM] james: certainty to his posts [19/01/2012 8:53:05 PM] james: its all a tap dance to stay neutral [19/01/2012 8:53:05 PM] PCP: his last post has promised analysis [19/01/2012 8:53:15 PM] james: yea [19/01/2012 8:53:16 PM] james: me [19/01/2012 8:53:18 PM] james: sandroba [19/01/2012 8:53:19 PM] james: and bm [19/01/2012 8:53:44 PM] james: imo [19/01/2012 8:53:47 PM] james: is almost a cop out [19/01/2012 8:53:47 PM] james: lol [19/01/2012 8:53:55 PM] james: with all the work on bm thus far and roba [19/01/2012 8:54:02 PM] james: and with the amount of people who have attacked me [19/01/2012 8:54:08 PM] james: its like hes taking easy options [19/01/2012 8:54:14 PM] PCP: yeah [19/01/2012 8:54:24 PM] james: if he doesn't bring in something new to his analysis [19/01/2012 8:54:26 PM] james: deff red [19/01/2012 8:54:45 PM] PCP: indeed [19/01/2012 8:55:03 PM] PCP: meapak [19/01/2012 8:55:05 PM] PCP: I still think he's red [19/01/2012 8:55:58 PM] PCP: he was one of the first people to call out GGQ [19/01/2012 8:56:00 PM] PCP: if not the first [19/01/2012 8:56:26 PM] james: and he wont let go [19/01/2012 8:57:15 PM] james: wow [19/01/2012 8:57:18 PM] james: hes FoS ggq [19/01/2012 8:57:19 PM] james: since [19/01/2012 8:57:21 PM] james: his election post [19/01/2012 8:57:25 PM] PCP: yes [19/01/2012 8:57:30 PM] PCP: that's why I said he might have been the first [19/01/2012 8:58:01 PM] james: oh, this is more as a random note [19/01/2012 8:58:30 PM] james: and depending on your answer mean similar wavelengths. Based on how I outed myself + started the mason discussion [19/01/2012 8:58:39 PM] james: were you in the camp of mass mason claim as pro [19/01/2012 8:58:42 PM] james: or negative town [19/01/2012 8:59:07 PM] PCP: negative [19/01/2012 8:59:42 PM] PCP: I thought your claim was town though [19/01/2012 9:01:13 PM] james: does meapak only ever [19/01/2012 9:01:14 PM] james: tunnel [19/01/2012 9:01:16 PM] james: 1 person? [19/01/2012 9:01:28 PM] PCP: never seems like it [19/01/2012 9:02:00 PM] PCP: the hard tunnelling is definitely out of character, not sure if it means much though [19/01/2012 9:02:02 PM] james: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=82024&user=82024 [19/01/2012 9:02:05 PM] james: didnt we have [19/01/2012 9:02:10 PM] james: you + incog always wanting [19/01/2012 9:02:11 PM] james: macpo [19/01/2012 9:02:22 PM] james: why would he purposely ignore that player? [19/01/2012 9:02:29 PM] james: oh shit [19/01/2012 9:02:30 PM] james: wrong link [19/01/2012 9:02:31 PM] james: one sec [19/01/2012 9:02:40 PM] james: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=94#1866 [19/01/2012 9:02:50 PM] PCP: yes [19/01/2012 9:02:52 PM] PCP: that was why I said meapak was mafia [19/01/2012 9:03:06 PM] PCP: there was a definite sign of him ignoring Macpo [19/01/2012 9:03:19 PM] james: he also ignores [19/01/2012 9:03:21 PM] james: all people [19/01/2012 9:03:23 PM] james: cept ggq [19/01/2012 9:03:28 PM] james: that you + me + incog [19/01/2012 9:03:29 PM] james: mentioned [19/01/2012 9:03:58 PM] james: like it took [19/01/2012 9:04:02 PM] james: 2-3 vets [19/01/2012 9:04:04 PM] james: to force him [19/01/2012 9:04:06 PM] james: to vote swap [19/01/2012 9:04:47 PM] james: then after the lynch he does [19/01/2012 9:04:54 PM] james: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=118#2343 [19/01/2012 9:05:57 PM] PCP: o.O [19/01/2012 9:05:58 PM] PCP: strange [19/01/2012 9:06:14 PM] james: followed by [19/01/2012 9:06:16 PM] james: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=120#2395 [19/01/2012 9:06:27 PM] james: he never once tried to stop getting roba or protrac [19/01/2012 9:06:28 PM] james: lynched [19/01/2012 9:06:30 PM] james: unless you count [19/01/2012 9:06:33 PM] james: pushing ggq [19/01/2012 9:06:36 PM] james: as attempting to stop [19/01/2012 9:06:41 PM] PCP: good point [19/01/2012 9:06:43 PM] james: but he has a post telling a newbie the only people on the docket [19/01/2012 9:06:50 PM] james: were prot/roba/ggq [19/01/2012 9:06:51 PM] james: -_- [19/01/2012 9:06:56 PM] PCP: he also says he was never "opposed" to macpo, but that's cause he didn't say anything about him lol [19/01/2012 9:07:02 PM] james: yea [19/01/2012 9:07:18 PM] james: he then goes on to [19/01/2012 9:07:21 PM] james: say [19/01/2012 9:07:24 PM] james: right after that [19/01/2012 9:07:27 PM] james: that we are offing ggq [19/01/2012 9:07:29 PM] james: again [19/01/2012 9:07:31 PM] james: -_- [19/01/2012 9:07:51 PM] PCP: yeah too strange [19/01/2012 9:08:54 PM] james: hes also [19/01/2012 9:08:57 PM] james: defending bm [19/01/2012 9:09:04 PM] PCP: how and where? [19/01/2012 9:09:30 PM] james: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=131#2614 [19/01/2012 9:09:31 PM] james: via [19/01/2012 9:09:32 PM] james: L's flip [19/01/2012 9:10:13 PM] PCP: ahhh yes [19/01/2012 9:10:17 PM] PCP: though he does make a valid point [19/01/2012 9:10:30 PM] james: L would have to call bm out via [19/01/2012 9:10:32 PM] james: meta [19/01/2012 9:10:33 PM] james: however [19/01/2012 9:10:37 PM] PCP: he wasn't here for the days when L made posts like, "I'm running for office solely on the campaign of lynching Bill Murray" [19/01/2012 9:10:39 PM] james: if bm is mafia L has to [19/01/2012 9:10:40 PM] james: attack him [19/01/2012 9:10:58 PM] james: it was brought up int hread though [19/01/2012 9:11:10 PM] james: he also seems more worried about [19/01/2012 9:11:14 PM] james: defending himself / his reads [19/01/2012 9:11:18 PM] james: than doing anything else [19/01/2012 9:11:43 PM] PCP: meapak is more worried about defending himself and his reads? [19/01/2012 9:11:45 PM] james: and bm [19/01/2012 9:11:47 PM] james: just claimed [19/01/2012 9:11:48 PM] james: bomb on incog [19/01/2012 9:11:49 PM] james: -_- [19/01/2012 9:11:56 PM] james: look at his posts [19/01/2012 9:11:59 PM] james: he pushes ggq like mad [19/01/2012 9:12:08 PM] james: otherwise only reallyersponds [19/01/2012 9:12:10 PM] james: when called out [19/01/2012 9:12:13 PM] PCP: yes [19/01/2012 9:12:41 PM] james: ok, bm outed cwave [19/01/2012 9:12:42 PM] james: as a mason [19/01/2012 9:13:15 PM] PCP: that's messed up [19/01/2012 9:13:23 PM] PCP: girlfriend wants to make dinner now, so I'm going to go do that [19/01/2012 9:13:25 PM] PCP: I'll be back later [19/01/2012 9:13:49 PM] james: kk [19/01/2012 10:07:11 PM] PCP: hey has kingjames been after you all game? [19/01/2012 10:07:20 PM] james: since day 2 [19/01/2012 10:07:25 PM] james: err since day 1 [19/01/2012 10:07:26 PM] james: actually [19/01/2012 10:07:27 PM] PCP: ah okay [19/01/2012 10:07:28 PM] james: he did a bit [19/01/2012 10:07:34 PM] james: where he tried to discredit my mason claim [19/01/2012 10:07:37 PM] james: by calling me the mafia jack [19/01/2012 10:07:38 PM] PCP: yeah I remember now [19/01/2012 10:07:45 PM] james: which was the first post [19/01/2012 10:07:51 PM] james: that tipped me into looking at him [19/01/2012 10:10:09 PM] PCP: mmk [19/01/2012 10:10:13 PM] PCP: you think Opz is mafia? [19/01/2012 10:11:16 PM] james: potentially [19/01/2012 10:11:24 PM] james: he had none of his normal [19/01/2012 10:11:30 PM] james: aggressive dealings with me [19/01/2012 10:11:39 PM] james: began talking to me with trying to get my opinion on if he should claim or not [19/01/2012 10:11:44 PM] james: and claimed before getting said opinion [19/01/2012 10:11:44 PM] PCP: or with anyone for that matter [19/01/2012 10:11:46 PM] james: yea [19/01/2012 10:11:50 PM] james: he has been insanely [19/01/2012 10:11:51 PM] james: passive [19/01/2012 10:11:54 PM] james: and non existant [19/01/2012 10:12:08 PM] PCP: did he mason you? [19/01/2012 10:12:39 PM] james: yea [19/01/2012 10:12:41 PM] james: i masoned roba [19/01/2012 10:12:43 PM] james: he masoned me [19/01/2012 10:12:46 PM] james: he = opz [19/01/2012 10:12:52 PM] PCP: mmk [19/01/2012 10:13:24 PM] PCP: wherebugsgo I don't think I've ever read any of his posts [19/01/2012 10:15:13 PM] PCP: BrownBear is =/ [19/01/2012 10:15:23 PM] PCP: says he's suspicious of kenpachi, says he will analyze but doesn't [19/01/2012 10:15:27 PM] PCP: has made garbage posts [19/01/2012 10:21:33 PM] james: yea [19/01/2012 10:21:43 PM] james: bb has been useless [19/01/2012 10:21:54 PM] james: the only "point in his favour" is i've never seen him online [19/01/2012 10:21:58 PM] james: at any point this game [19/01/2012 10:22:05 PM] PCP: oh you have his skype? [19/01/2012 10:22:07 PM] james: skype list abuse ftw [19/01/2012 10:22:08 PM] james: yea [19/01/2012 10:22:15 PM] PCP: mmk [19/01/2012 10:22:19 PM] PCP: I mean he said he was busy for day 1 [19/01/2012 10:22:21 PM] PCP: and that's fine [19/01/2012 10:22:22 PM] james: more damning is [19/01/2012 10:22:22 PM] PCP: but since then [19/01/2012 10:22:23 PM] james: kenpachi [19/01/2012 10:22:26 PM] james: has been online [19/01/2012 10:22:29 PM] james: all the gd time [19/01/2012 10:22:31 PM] james: and is never posting [19/01/2012 10:22:37 PM] PCP: haha yeah [19/01/2012 10:22:38 PM] PCP: I was playing LoL with him the other day [19/01/2012 10:26:43 PM] james: ugh [19/01/2012 10:26:52 PM] james: KJ appears to be just wasting [19/01/2012 10:26:55 PM] james: fucking threadspace [19/01/2012 10:28:12 PM] PCP: yes he is [19/01/2012 10:28:25 PM] PCP: since we're at BM on the list [19/01/2012 10:28:29 PM] PCP: we should discuss what we want to do with him today [19/01/2012 10:28:39 PM] james: uneasy about his lynch purely at how no one seems to bat an eye [19/01/2012 10:28:40 PM] james: over it [19/01/2012 10:28:47 PM] james: except for him [19/01/2012 10:29:02 PM] PCP: I suppose [19/01/2012 10:29:12 PM] PCP: but I mean if he's telling the truth then Incog [19/01/2012 10:29:27 PM] james: yeah [19/01/2012 10:29:29 PM] james: but like [19/01/2012 10:29:33 PM] james: wouldnt [19/01/2012 10:29:36 PM] james: a townie bm [19/01/2012 10:29:38 PM] james: do that [19/01/2012 10:29:40 PM] james: if hes mafia [19/01/2012 10:29:43 PM] james: hed lie [19/01/2012 10:29:46 PM] james: because hed have no bomb [19/01/2012 10:29:47 PM] james: lol [19/01/2012 10:30:07 PM] PCP: well he couldn't be lying [19/01/2012 10:30:17 PM] PCP: it's a good lie [19/01/2012 10:30:26 PM] james: i know he hates getting lynched [19/01/2012 10:30:27 PM] james: period [19/01/2012 10:30:38 PM] james: I kinda am hoping incog comes in [19/01/2012 10:30:51 PM] james: and posts along the lines of "im fine with dying if it means offing him" my only dread is [19/01/2012 10:30:54 PM] james: they both flip town [19/01/2012 10:30:56 PM] james: lol [19/01/2012 10:31:14 PM] james: as i know exactly where that would lead [19/01/2012 10:31:31 PM] PCP: XD [19/01/2012 10:31:32 PM] PCP: indeed [19/01/2012 10:31:36 PM] PCP: I mean [19/01/2012 10:31:38 PM] PCP: we should keep him alive [19/01/2012 10:31:47 PM] PCP: incog's days are numbered as it is [19/01/2012 10:31:56 PM] james: yea [19/01/2012 10:31:56 PM] PCP: if mafia don't want to kill him...well lol [19/01/2012 10:32:03 PM] james: if they dont off him or you [19/01/2012 10:32:03 PM] PCP: I'm fine with him staying alive forever [19/01/2012 10:32:06 PM] james: id be like [19/01/2012 10:32:07 PM] james: wtf? [19/01/2012 10:32:20 PM] james: id love to do the general post in thread going [19/01/2012 10:32:33 PM] james: "as a note guys, im basically confirmed as id fucking stack rape incog / foolishness anyday this game" [19/01/2012 10:32:34 PM] james: -_- [19/01/2012 10:32:46 PM] PCP: hahaha [19/01/2012 10:32:49 PM] james: day 1 [19/01/2012 10:32:51 PM] james: 5 kp [19/01/2012 10:32:52 PM] PCP: then everyone would scream WIFOM WIFROM [19/01/2012 10:32:55 PM] james: 3 and 2 [19/01/2012 10:33:00 PM] PCP: 5kp? [19/01/2012 10:33:01 PM] james: just get rid of you too [19/01/2012 10:33:05 PM] james: they have a jack [19/01/2012 10:33:08 PM] james: use a vig shot [19/01/2012 10:33:08 PM] james: ensure [19/01/2012 10:33:10 PM] james: eaths [19/01/2012 10:33:11 PM] PCP: how do you know they have a jack? [19/01/2012 10:33:15 PM] james: it says in OP [19/01/2012 10:33:16 PM] james: they choose [19/01/2012 10:33:40 PM] james: to quote the relevant line [19/01/2012 10:33:57 PM] james: "you also must choose the godfather, roleblocker, jack and or framer among yourselves" [19/01/2012 10:34:07 PM] PCP: OH [19/01/2012 10:34:12 PM] PCP: they for sure have 1 each of those 4 roles [19/01/2012 10:34:15 PM] james: yea [19/01/2012 10:34:26 PM] PCP: but why does the op have ? of ? ...remain? [19/01/2012 10:34:28 PM] james: and they have a pre generated mafia only know # of masons [19/01/2012 10:34:34 PM] PCP: right [19/01/2012 10:34:39 PM] james: because fw is a giant troll -_- [19/01/2012 10:34:55 PM] james: he doesnt count my x3 votes [19/01/2012 10:35:20 PM] PCP: lolol [19/01/2012 10:35:44 PM] james: the fact you and incog are still alive [19/01/2012 10:36:24 PM] james: means that a) one of the two of you are red b) both are red (fucking unlikely that you'd grape rape three of your members for town cred) or c) both town and mafia is afraid of medics [19/01/2012 10:36:27 PM] james: and hates stacking hits? [19/01/2012 10:36:39 PM] james: or hoping that you + me + incog will start cluster hating eachother [19/01/2012 10:36:43 PM] james: and all rape eachother [19/01/2012 10:36:46 PM] PCP: I'm sure they are hoping for that [19/01/2012 10:36:56 PM] PCP: also it's incredibly clear that mafia are blue sniping [19/01/2012 10:36:58 PM] PCP: so they don't care [19/01/2012 10:36:59 PM] james: given day 1 [19/01/2012 10:37:01 PM] PCP: at least at this point [19/01/2012 10:37:05 PM] james: incog and I were heavy against eachother [19/01/2012 10:37:11 PM] james: yes [19/01/2012 10:37:13 PM] james: whoever it is [19/01/2012 10:37:16 PM] james: is clearly blue sniping [19/01/2012 10:37:22 PM] james: is L a good sniper? [19/01/2012 10:37:32 PM] PCP: no not traditionally [19/01/2012 10:37:56 PM] PCP: I'll ask Ver for confirmation [19/01/2012 10:38:12 PM] james: like of the list of people capable of sniping [19/01/2012 10:38:15 PM] james: id list you [19/01/2012 10:38:16 PM] james: me [19/01/2012 10:38:16 PM] PCP: you me and incog [19/01/2012 10:38:18 PM] PCP: XD [19/01/2012 10:38:18 PM] james: and incog [19/01/2012 10:38:19 PM] james: lol [19/01/2012 10:38:20 PM] james: yea [19/01/2012 10:38:24 PM] james: but my style of shots [19/01/2012 10:38:31 PM] james: always aims for analyzers first [19/01/2012 10:38:32 PM] PCP: meapak maybe? [19/01/2012 10:38:35 PM] james: as I fear them more [19/01/2012 10:38:39 PM] james: possibly [19/01/2012 10:38:45 PM] james: he seems red [19/01/2012 10:38:46 PM] james: as hell [19/01/2012 10:38:50 PM] PCP: brownbear is a thread controller, not a blue sniper [19/01/2012 10:38:53 PM] PCP: not him [19/01/2012 10:38:57 PM] james: also this will be wifom as hell but [19/01/2012 10:39:03 PM] PCP: bum is the same way [19/01/2012 10:39:07 PM] PCP: scamp? don't know [19/01/2012 10:39:09 PM] james: with everyone who keeps trying to keep attention off KJ [19/01/2012 10:39:15 PM] james: if he flips red [19/01/2012 10:39:18 PM] james: deff a mafia power role [19/01/2012 10:39:38 PM] PCP: maybe [19/01/2012 10:39:42 PM] james: he however is insanely [19/01/2012 10:39:43 PM] james: smart [19/01/2012 10:39:47 PM] james: i've been red with him before [19/01/2012 10:39:50 PM] james: I could see him sniping [19/01/2012 10:40:10 PM] james: oh, did anyone claim [19/01/2012 10:40:13 PM] PCP: yeah but not this well [19/01/2012 10:40:15 PM] james: the ciry [19/01/2012 10:40:16 PM] james: shot? [19/01/2012 10:40:23 PM] PCP: no don't think so [19/01/2012 10:40:27 PM] james: because L claimed rb [19/01/2012 10:40:30 PM] james: and flipped gf [19/01/2012 10:40:33 PM] james: so chances are [19/01/2012 10:40:37 PM] james: kurumi was rbed [19/01/2012 10:41:01 PM] PCP: chances are they didn't use their roleblock? [19/01/2012 10:41:08 PM] PCP: dude c'mon [19/01/2012 10:41:12 PM] PCP: would you roleblock kurumi? [19/01/2012 10:41:16 PM] PCP: when myself and incog are around? [19/01/2012 10:41:18 PM] james: if he claimed shooting one of my team? [19/01/2012 10:41:22 PM] PCP: and clearly they are able to find blues to roleblock [19/01/2012 10:41:22 PM] james: id rb and fire [19/01/2012 10:41:23 PM] james: tbh [19/01/2012 10:41:33 PM] james: considering people were speculating [19/01/2012 10:41:34 PM] james: he shot [19/01/2012 10:41:34 PM] james: ciry [19/01/2012 10:41:40 PM] james: when he never even looked at the guy [19/01/2012 10:41:50 PM] PCP: well if someone else did [19/01/2012 10:41:52 PM] james: i rb and shoot [19/01/2012 10:41:53 PM] PCP: they aren't telling [19/01/2012 10:41:56 PM] james: fairly frequently [19/01/2012 10:42:03 PM] james: best way to blue snipe imo [19/01/2012 10:42:16 PM] james: only time I don't is if im controlling said blue im about to kill [19/01/2012 10:42:51 PM] PCP: I mean if mafia have a roleblocker (which you and the OP says they do) [19/01/2012 10:42:53 PM] PCP: wtf are they doing with it? [19/01/2012 10:43:06 PM] PCP: faking it on L? [19/01/2012 10:43:08 PM] james: no fucking clue? [19/01/2012 10:43:09 PM] PCP: stacking a hit with it? [19/01/2012 10:43:13 PM] james: stacking hit [19/01/2012 10:43:14 PM] james: makes most sense [19/01/2012 10:43:19 PM] james: otherwise not using [19/01/2012 10:43:19 PM] PCP: at this point in the game? [19/01/2012 10:43:19 PM] james: at all [19/01/2012 10:43:21 PM] PCP: huge game [19/01/2012 10:43:29 PM] james: thats fair [19/01/2012 10:43:52 PM] PCP: that would mean they are trying to find veterans [19/01/2012 10:44:03 PM] PCP: I think there are more concerning blue roles than veterans running around [19/01/2012 10:44:11 PM] PCP: especially since no mason has died (exception of mattchew) [19/01/2012 10:44:49 PM] james: well mafia have to have [19/01/2012 10:44:51 PM] james: at least 1 mason [19/01/2012 10:44:53 PM] james: running around [19/01/2012 10:44:57 PM] james: not killing masons [19/01/2012 10:45:00 PM] james: keeps that one alive longer [19/01/2012 10:45:24 PM] PCP: well presumably mafia has like 4 masons [19/01/2012 10:45:25 PM] james: jitsu and cwave [19/01/2012 10:45:28 PM] james: apparently have [19/01/2012 10:45:30 PM] james: bg names [19/01/2012 10:45:31 PM] james: in full [19/01/2012 10:45:48 PM] PCP: how and why [19/01/2012 10:45:50 PM] james: -_- I at least encrypted them before handing them out [19/01/2012 10:45:53 PM] james: bm gave them out [19/01/2012 10:45:54 PM] james: to them [19/01/2012 10:46:00 PM] james: claimed he did in thread [19/01/2012 10:46:03 PM] james: jitsu has confirmed he has them [19/01/2012 10:46:06 PM] james: well has names [19/01/2012 10:46:07 PM] james: at least [19/01/2012 10:46:12 PM] james: whether or not bm gave the real names [19/01/2012 10:46:18 PM] james: is up to debate [19/01/2012 10:46:33 PM] PCP: that's strange [19/01/2012 10:46:41 PM] PCP: err let's assume that BM handed up the real names [19/01/2012 10:46:44 PM] PCP: why would he do such a thing? [19/01/2012 10:46:49 PM] james: no fucking clue [19/01/2012 10:46:55 PM] PCP: cause he's BM? XD [19/01/2012 10:46:55 PM] james: his entire play [19/01/2012 10:46:56 PM] james: makes no sense [19/01/2012 10:47:01 PM] james: aside from its bm [19/01/2012 10:47:12 PM] james: however a mafia bm [19/01/2012 10:47:17 PM] james: wouldnt have to hand the names out [19/01/2012 10:47:22 PM] james: as his team would have them [19/01/2012 10:47:31 PM] james: and I had already encryted and sent out [19/01/2012 10:47:43 PM] james: a town bm wouldnt either as id have already encrypted and sent out [19/01/2012 10:47:45 PM] james: the only thing I can see [19/01/2012 10:47:46 PM] james: is he lied [19/01/2012 10:47:52 PM] james: in hopes they would shoot the random names he gave [19/01/2012 10:48:04 PM] james: to out 1 or 2 people as red [19/01/2012 10:48:21 PM] james: but its bm, and just going "here you go" is always in the realm of reason -_- [19/01/2012 10:50:06 PM] PCP: XD XD [19/01/2012 10:50:10 PM] PCP: yeah don't know [19/01/2012 10:50:14 PM] PCP: well that aside [19/01/2012 10:50:21 PM] PCP: it seems like both of us feel like we shouldn't kill him today [19/01/2012 10:50:32 PM] PCP: or at least we're both hesitating [19/01/2012 10:50:34 PM] PCP: so we need another target [19/01/2012 10:51:40 PM] PCP: want to continue down the list then afterwards debate second lynch candidate? [19/01/2012 10:53:51 PM] james: let me finish throwing up a post im making at kj [19/01/2012 10:53:54 PM] james: as for a second [19/01/2012 10:53:57 PM] james: meapak seems [19/01/2012 10:53:57 PM] PCP: kk [19/01/2012 10:53:58 PM] james: solidish [19/01/2012 10:54:03 PM] james: before we finish the list that is [19/01/2012 10:54:10 PM] james: he seems one of the more sketch [19/01/2012 10:54:11 PM] PCP: yeah but keep in mind we have to pick someone who we can convince the town [19/01/2012 10:54:11 PM] james: players [19/01/2012 10:54:16 PM] james: fair [19/01/2012 10:54:21 PM] PCP: I'm not sure if meapak qualifies for that [19/01/2012 10:58:06 PM] PCP: Ver says that L isn't a good blue sniper [19/01/2012 11:30:28 PM] PCP: blahz0r [19/01/2012 11:30:29 PM] PCP: mafia [19/01/2012 11:30:31 PM] PCP: calling it now [19/01/2012 11:30:41 PM] james: his posting [19/01/2012 11:30:43 PM] james: seems funky [19/01/2012 11:30:44 PM] james: as fuck [19/01/2012 11:31:03 PM] PCP: he has yet to contribute his own thoughts [19/01/2012 11:31:58 PM] PCP: he just posts what others are posting [19/01/2012 11:32:05 PM] PCP: kinda sheeps along [19/01/2012 11:32:12 PM] james: yep [19/01/2012 11:46:53 PM] PCP: was igabod replaced? [19/01/2012 11:47:55 PM] PCP: nevermind found it [20/01/2012 12:01:08 AM] PCP: bumatlarge is like [20/01/2012 12:01:12 AM] PCP: super serious when he's mafia right? [20/01/2012 12:01:24 AM] james: hes aggressive [20/01/2012 12:01:26 AM] james: pyp3 [20/01/2012 12:01:28 AM] james: he went hardcore [20/01/2012 12:01:33 AM] james: active [20/01/2012 12:01:39 AM] james: tried to get me lynched in thread [20/01/2012 12:01:41 AM] james: hardcore [20/01/2012 12:01:45 AM] PCP: okay so he's 99% town this game yeah? [20/01/2012 12:01:49 AM] james: i have that read on him [20/01/2012 12:02:00 AM] PCP: well he's kinda silly in his normal batman way [20/01/2012 12:02:59 AM] james: yea [20/01/2012 12:03:14 AM] james: that took [20/01/2012 12:03:15 AM] james: way to much time of my life [20/01/2012 12:03:18 AM] james: to do [20/01/2012 12:03:20 AM] james: fuck kingjames [20/01/2012 12:03:51 AM] PCP: oh snap that's a long post [20/01/2012 12:04:00 AM] james: near post by post analysis [20/01/2012 12:04:02 AM] james: raping [20/01/2012 12:04:12 AM] james: his fing face in [20/01/2012 12:04:45 AM] james: I could easily see p4n as a mafia bussing a mafia [20/01/2012 12:04:53 AM] PCP: I don't think so [20/01/2012 12:04:54 AM] james: as he tried to build cred [20/01/2012 12:04:57 AM] james: but p4n's posts [20/01/2012 12:04:59 AM] PCP: p4n is too honest [20/01/2012 12:05:01 AM] james: are clearly contributing [20/01/2012 12:05:26 AM] james: hes not doing so with long posts [20/01/2012 12:05:34 AM] james: but his posts typically do have reason behind them [20/01/2012 12:05:41 AM] james: and are all mostly valid [20/01/2012 12:06:01 AM] james: oh [20/01/2012 12:06:07 AM] james: kingjames called out blazor once [20/01/2012 12:06:11 AM] james: is up as a lynch target [20/01/2012 12:06:16 AM] PCP: interesting [20/01/2012 12:06:18 AM] james: says he agrees that offing bm [20/01/2012 12:06:21 AM] james: is a good choice [20/01/2012 12:06:23 AM] PCP: link? [20/01/2012 12:06:26 AM] james: but doesnt know who to vote for second [20/01/2012 12:06:38 AM] james: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=128#2544 [20/01/2012 12:07:16 AM] james: his next post is this gem [20/01/2012 12:07:22 AM] james: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=2562&topic_id=253716 [20/01/2012 12:07:36 AM] james: and his last post was that "why did we double lynch without a suitable second target" while actively [20/01/2012 12:07:37 AM] james: dodging [20/01/2012 12:07:39 AM] james: kingjames [20/01/2012 12:07:41 AM] PCP: yeah he has a bunch of meaningless posts [20/01/2012 12:07:45 AM] PCP: oh snap [20/01/2012 12:07:49 AM] james: like [20/01/2012 12:07:51 AM] james: massive heat [20/01/2012 12:07:54 AM] james: is on a second lynch choice [20/01/2012 12:07:59 AM] james: and you dodge it? without explaining why [20/01/2012 12:08:09 AM] james: id say it pretty much confirms both as red [20/01/2012 12:09:18 AM] james: or am i reading far to much into it? [20/01/2012 12:09:38 AM] PCP: no that's good [20/01/2012 12:09:40 AM] PCP: that's ammo we need [20/01/2012 12:11:37 AM] james: -_- i really wish [20/01/2012 12:11:39 AM] james: incog would post today [20/01/2012 12:12:21 AM] james: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=142#2825 the last post i just referred to [20/01/2012 12:12:34 AM] james: yay for emoticon at the end? [20/01/2012 12:14:07 AM] PCP: yeah good job [20/01/2012 12:14:09 AM] PCP: lol [20/01/2012 12:14:10 AM] james: lol [20/01/2012 12:15:36 AM] james: jaj replaced igabod right? [20/01/2012 12:16:52 AM] PCP: yes [20/01/2012 12:17:08 AM] james: kk [20/01/2012 12:17:26 AM] james: correctly edit spreadsheet lol [20/01/2012 12:17:41 AM] PCP: jaj22 [20/01/2012 12:17:44 AM] PCP: pretty sure he's green [20/01/2012 12:17:52 AM] james: hasn't said anything that stands out yet [20/01/2012 12:21:02 AM] james: thoughts on lanaia [20/01/2012 12:21:04 AM] james: ? [20/01/2012 12:21:15 AM] PCP: probably town [20/01/2012 12:21:21 AM] PCP: seems like she's voicing her opinion [20/01/2012 12:21:28 AM] PCP: doesn't seem to hesitate [20/01/2012 12:21:59 AM] james: evantrees and chaosquo? [20/01/2012 12:23:25 AM] PCP: but very suspicious [20/01/2012 12:23:30 AM] PCP: but both haven't posted for ~48 hours [20/01/2012 12:23:32 AM] PCP: both* [20/01/2012 12:23:37 AM] PCP: both* very suspicious [20/01/2012 12:23:41 AM] james: evan analyzed sandro [20/01/2012 12:23:42 AM] james: rofl [20/01/2012 12:23:44 AM] james: everyone [20/01/2012 12:23:47 AM] james: analyzing [20/01/2012 12:23:48 AM] james: sandro [20/01/2012 12:23:49 AM] james: so hard [20/01/2012 12:24:10 AM] PCP: he's always easy to analyze [20/01/2012 12:24:13 AM] james: he has a red read on hiro apparently [20/01/2012 12:24:38 AM] james: the thing that baffles me [20/01/2012 12:24:49 AM] james: is the post he has an issue with of hiro's to say hes suspcious [20/01/2012 12:24:54 AM] james: is an analysis of sandro [20/01/2012 12:25:01 AM] PCP: loool [20/01/2012 12:25:01 AM] james: then he instantly analyzes sandro himself -_- [20/01/2012 12:25:10 AM] PCP: do know sandroba's alignment from talking to him day 1? [20/01/2012 12:25:20 AM] james: im leaning town based on his actions [20/01/2012 12:25:26 AM] james: hes useless as fuck [20/01/2012 12:25:39 AM] james: but had red reads on [20/01/2012 12:25:42 AM] james: ciry macpo [20/01/2012 12:25:49 AM] james: and pushed L briefly [20/01/2012 12:25:52 AM] james: before near everyone [20/01/2012 12:26:27 AM] james: seems very unlikely [20/01/2012 12:26:31 AM] james: that a townie would out [20/01/2012 12:26:36 AM] james: 3 reds [20/01/2012 12:26:47 AM] PCP: yeah [20/01/2012 12:26:48 AM] james: err unlikely that a red would out 3 reds [20/01/2012 12:26:52 AM] james: one being the gf [20/01/2012 12:27:06 AM] james: while also trying to stop me from doing somethign stupid [20/01/2012 12:27:10 AM] james: like offing protrac [20/01/2012 12:27:15 AM] james: whos helped catch those same reds -_- [20/01/2012 12:27:23 AM] PCP: mmk [20/01/2012 12:27:34 AM] james: could he have fooled me good? possibly [20/01/2012 12:27:39 AM] james: but logically It doesn't make sense [20/01/2012 12:27:46 AM] james: so if he wants to keep outing his team if hes red to survive [20/01/2012 12:27:49 AM] james: im fine with it [20/01/2012 12:28:54 AM] PCP: haha yup [20/01/2012 12:29:27 AM] james: huge post by meapak [20/01/2012 12:29:28 AM] james: against opz [20/01/2012 12:29:33 AM] PCP: yeah I'm reading it now [20/01/2012 12:30:59 AM] PCP: has Opz posted much today? [20/01/2012 12:31:32 AM] PCP: dang, his last post was on page 117 [20/01/2012 12:31:51 AM] james: yea thats rough [20/01/2012 12:32:17 AM] james: roflll [20/01/2012 12:32:19 AM] james: nisani of all people [20/01/2012 12:32:20 AM] james: called [20/01/2012 12:32:24 AM] james: meapak [20/01/2012 12:32:25 AM] james: out [20/01/2012 12:32:26 AM] james: ROFL [20/01/2012 12:33:23 AM] PCP: hahaha [20/01/2012 12:33:25 AM] PCP: got to love nisani [20/01/2012 12:33:35 AM] james: sad thing is [20/01/2012 12:33:39 AM] james: hes not horrid off the mark [20/01/2012 12:34:53 AM] PCP: I know [20/01/2012 12:41:22 AM] PCP: is Scamp town? [20/01/2012 12:45:57 AM] james: does scamp every analyze people [20/01/2012 12:45:58 AM] james: in games? [20/01/2012 12:46:06 AM] PCP: not sure [20/01/2012 12:48:54 AM] james: he hasnt done alot [20/01/2012 12:48:55 AM] james: of meaningful posts [20/01/2012 12:48:57 AM] james: like at all [20/01/2012 12:49:02 AM] james: he seems to be skirting [20/01/2012 12:49:11 AM] james: or skating rather [20/01/2012 12:49:14 AM] james: doing "townie" posts [20/01/2012 12:49:18 AM] james: without offering much opinion of himself [20/01/2012 12:49:37 AM] james: he speculates on if sheth used his shot [20/01/2012 12:53:22 AM] PCP: mmk so looks like if kingjames is mafia then we got 6 remaining [20/01/2012 12:53:25 AM] PCP: from the following pool [20/01/2012 12:54:22 AM] PCP: Cwave, Slardar, Kenpachi, Munk-E, EchelonTee, Opz, BrownBear, Bill Murray, Meapak, glurio, blahz0r, GGQ, zeks/vaderseven, evantrees, chaosquo, Scamp [20/01/2012 12:54:35 AM] PCP: and like half those people are inactive newbs [20/01/2012 12:57:44 AM] james: -_- yea [20/01/2012 12:57:58 AM] james: its brutal [20/01/2012 1:18:57 AM] james: well [20/01/2012 1:19:01 AM] james: lets see how meapak [20/01/2012 1:19:03 AM] james: responds to that subtle jab [20/01/2012 1:19:46 AM] PCP: nice [20/01/2012 1:19:46 AM] PCP: I approve [20/01/2012 1:20:13 AM] james: figured you would [20/01/2012 1:35:13 AM] james: heading to bed, talk to you later duder [20/01/2012 1:35:25 AM] PCP: kk ttyl [20/01/2012 1:51:14 PM] PCP: yo [20/01/2012 1:51:19 PM] PCP: did Cwave claim mason? [20/01/2012 1:52:27 PM] PCP: like not in the past 8 hours I mean [20/01/2012 1:55:03 PM] james: yes [20/01/2012 1:55:06 PM] james: hes claimed mason [20/01/2012 1:55:09 PM] james: claims he mason'd bm [20/01/2012 1:55:12 PM] james: and that bm gave him bgs [20/01/2012 1:55:13 PM] PCP: like day 2 sometime? [20/01/2012 1:57:54 PM] james: uh, day 3 [20/01/2012 1:58:08 PM] james: he only really outed himself when bm [20/01/2012 1:58:10 PM] james: outed him i believe [20/01/2012 1:58:59 PM] PCP: oh okay [20/01/2012 1:59:54 PM] PCP: k who you want to kill today [20/01/2012 1:59:55 PM] PCP: besides kingjames [20/01/2012 2:00:07 PM] james: honestly [20/01/2012 2:00:13 PM] james: everyone defending glurio atm [20/01/2012 2:00:18 PM] james: i want to stab with an icepick [20/01/2012 2:00:33 PM] PCP: interesting choice of weapon there lol [20/01/2012 2:01:17 PM] james: lol [20/01/2012 2:01:23 PM] james: prefer shanking? [20/01/2012 2:02:46 PM] PCP: haha nah I like the icepick [20/01/2012 2:03:38 PM] PCP: but we still need someone else to kill [20/01/2012 2:04:21 PM] james: -_- kingjames [20/01/2012 2:04:23 PM] james: for sure [20/01/2012 2:04:26 PM] james: also [20/01/2012 2:04:29 PM] PCP: yeah of course [20/01/2012 2:04:29 PM] james: do you think [20/01/2012 2:04:34 PM] james: town would have [20/01/2012 2:04:35 PM] james: 7 kp? [20/01/2012 2:04:46 PM] james: to a mafias listed of 5 (if they only get one jack) [20/01/2012 2:05:03 PM] james: seems reallllly weird to have a town with more kp than a mafia [20/01/2012 2:06:52 PM] PCP: possibly [20/01/2012 2:06:55 PM] PCP: there's probably no DTs [20/01/2012 2:07:08 PM] PCP: zero medics [20/01/2012 2:08:56 PM] PCP: should we just kill BM [20/01/2012 2:08:58 PM] PCP: lol [20/01/2012 2:10:42 PM] james: lol [20/01/2012 2:10:47 PM] james: then incog might die =( [20/01/2012 2:10:53 PM] james: rofl [20/01/2012 2:10:55 PM] james: p4n [20/01/2012 2:10:57 PM] james: trying to push [20/01/2012 2:10:57 PM] PCP: well we need another person to kill [20/01/2012 2:10:58 PM] james: a vote [20/01/2012 2:11:00 PM] james: of kingjames [20/01/2012 2:11:03 PM] james: and onto supersoft [20/01/2012 2:11:11 PM] james: off* [20/01/2012 2:11:20 PM] james: and kingjames was the same guy [20/01/2012 2:11:24 PM] james: who tried to get him offed [20/01/2012 2:11:38 PM] PCP: haha [20/01/2012 2:12:08 PM] james: he is also claiming [20/01/2012 2:12:12 PM] james: that since i discounted his analysis [20/01/2012 2:12:15 PM] james: if ss flips red [20/01/2012 2:12:17 PM] james: i must be red [20/01/2012 2:12:28 PM] james: however, as i defended p4n, by that same logic [20/01/2012 2:12:31 PM] james: he is red [20/01/2012 2:12:36 PM] PCP: lolol [20/01/2012 2:12:37 PM] james: and as p4n defended glurio [20/01/2012 2:12:39 PM] james: by same logic [20/01/2012 2:12:40 PM] PCP: I think after the recent events [20/01/2012 2:12:41 PM] james: glurio is red [20/01/2012 2:12:42 PM] james: --- [20/01/2012 2:12:43 PM] james: -_- [20/01/2012 2:12:44 PM] PCP: Cwave is blue [20/01/2012 2:12:50 PM] james: hes mason [20/01/2012 2:12:51 PM] james: lol [20/01/2012 2:12:51 PM] PCP: yeah [20/01/2012 2:12:57 PM] james: based on how hes playing it [20/01/2012 2:12:58 PM] PCP: but yesterday we said he was definite suspect [20/01/2012 2:12:59 PM] james: yea [20/01/2012 2:13:19 PM] james: glurio seems [20/01/2012 2:13:21 PM] james: mafia for sure [20/01/2012 2:13:28 PM] james: replacement or no, saying at page 88 you were caught up [20/01/2012 2:13:29 PM] PCP: okay let's pressure him then [20/01/2012 2:13:32 PM] james: and were going to play [20/01/2012 2:13:37 PM] james: then your next post is [20/01/2012 2:13:39 PM] PCP: why didn't you talk to him in PMs? [20/01/2012 2:13:40 PM] james: page 145 [20/01/2012 2:13:44 PM] james: he asked a question [20/01/2012 2:13:47 PM] james: already answered in thread [20/01/2012 2:13:55 PM] PCP: -_- [20/01/2012 2:14:00 PM] james: I don't respond to stupid questions in pms [20/01/2012 2:14:03 PM] james: from arttards [20/01/2012 2:14:05 PM] PCP: loool [20/01/2012 2:14:25 PM] james: if you're actively reading the thread like you imply [20/01/2012 2:14:32 PM] james: then you should know what to ask and not to ask [20/01/2012 2:14:38 PM] james: also his post on page 145 [20/01/2012 2:14:38 PM] PCP: wouldn't that more imply he's just stupid [20/01/2012 2:14:40 PM] james: was after [20/01/2012 2:14:42 PM] james: I called him out [20/01/2012 2:14:44 PM] james: for sheeping [20/01/2012 2:14:46 PM] james: his votes [20/01/2012 2:14:47 PM] james: -_- [20/01/2012 2:15:00 PM] james: he voted and iw as like "yo get back here explain this shit" [20/01/2012 2:15:39 PM] PCP: eh [20/01/2012 2:17:36 PM] james: incog is now online, i expect some form of post [20/01/2012 2:17:38 PM] james: out of him soon [20/01/2012 2:18:00 PM] PCP: Incognito (11:16:42 AM): oh the pain! if BM is a mad hatter I dont want to allow him the chance to place another bomb. lol [20/01/2012 2:19:46 PM] james: rofl [20/01/2012 2:19:52 PM] james: your not supposed to be talking [20/01/2012 2:21:23 PM] PCP: yeah I know [20/01/2012 2:21:51 PM] james: lol [20/01/2012 2:27:21 PM] PCP: Incognito (11:26:51 AM): lol wut bm has a bomb on me ? :\ [20/01/2012 2:27:33 PM] james: loool [20/01/2012 2:33:13 PM] PCP: do you want to kill sandroba [20/01/2012 2:34:24 PM] james: on one hand yes, on another no [20/01/2012 2:34:35 PM] james: hes doing dick all so im suspicious [20/01/2012 2:34:37 PM] james: but the shit he has done [20/01/2012 2:34:42 PM] james: doesn't scream mafia to me -_- [20/01/2012 2:34:46 PM] james: however thats mostly pm stuff [20/01/2012 2:34:56 PM] james: in thread hes downright [20/01/2012 2:34:57 PM] james: horribad [20/01/2012 2:35:32 PM] PCP: ugh [20/01/2012 2:36:16 PM] james: and he keeps coming in "drunk" [20/01/2012 2:36:17 PM] james: into the thread [20/01/2012 2:36:20 PM] james: which is annoying as hell [20/01/2012 2:37:25 PM] PCP: haha [20/01/2012 2:40:03 PM] james: remember the game [20/01/2012 2:40:07 PM] james: you made chez house [20/01/2012 2:40:13 PM] james: in that 3 mafia family game? [20/01/2012 2:41:02 PM] PCP: yeah [20/01/2012 2:41:53 PM] james: how similar [20/01/2012 2:41:59 PM] james: is sandros play this game? [20/01/2012 2:42:52 PM] PCP: pretty similar [20/01/2012 2:42:58 PM] PCP: establishes himself as probably town day 1 [20/01/2012 2:43:00 PM] PCP: then goes afk [20/01/2012 2:43:11 PM] PCP: and he did that through PMs too [20/01/2012 2:43:15 PM] PCP: not thread posting [20/01/2012 2:43:57 PM] james: so he did near nothing overall in both cases? [20/01/2012 2:44:50 PM] PCP: yes [20/01/2012 2:44:55 PM] james: k [20/01/2012 2:45:00 PM] james: then I can most likely get behind that [20/01/2012 2:45:01 PM] james: also [20/01/2012 2:45:07 PM] james: WHY IS EVERYONE ALWAYS ON MY FUCKING NUTS [20/01/2012 2:45:13 PM] james: fucking shitty town [20/01/2012 2:45:29 PM] james: fuck fw for not giving me a gun [20/01/2012 2:46:37 PM] PCP: loool [20/01/2012 2:46:47 PM] james: this is pyp3 all over again -_- [20/01/2012 2:47:00 PM] james: only difference is there are a few decent players this time [20/01/2012 2:47:59 PM] james: and p4n is now downgraded [20/01/2012 2:48:01 PM] james: to bad townie [20/01/2012 2:48:04 PM] james: or terrible mafia -_- [20/01/2012 2:48:11 PM] james: hes not arguing with incog [20/01/2012 2:48:14 PM] james: now* [20/01/2012 2:48:24 PM] james: or at least attempting to [20/01/2012 2:49:01 PM] PCP: are we killing sandroba [20/01/2012 2:49:17 PM] james: im thinking so [20/01/2012 2:49:19 PM] james: yes [20/01/2012 2:49:29 PM] james: 3 game days an no real contribution [20/01/2012 2:49:33 PM] james: his town meta [20/01/2012 2:49:38 PM] james: is try as hard as hell normally [20/01/2012 2:50:27 PM] PCP: okay [20/01/2012 2:51:04 PM] james: bringing up another game of his to verify im not being dumb as hell [20/01/2012 2:52:44 PM] PCP: okay [20/01/2012 2:52:52 PM] james: yea [20/01/2012 2:52:53 PM] james: deff mafia [20/01/2012 2:52:54 PM] james: lol [20/01/2012 2:53:05 PM] james: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269956&user=21688 [20/01/2012 2:53:09 PM] james: thats pypi [20/01/2012 2:53:13 PM] james: filter [20/01/2012 2:53:18 PM] james: does dick all all agme [20/01/2012 2:53:49 PM] PCP: yes [20/01/2012 2:54:13 PM] james: vs gms large ass game [20/01/2012 2:54:20 PM] james: where it was like another 80 pages on our current one [20/01/2012 2:54:22 PM] james: but he had 11 pages [20/01/2012 2:54:25 PM] james: in his filter [20/01/2012 2:54:45 PM] james: and was obviously town [20/01/2012 2:55:37 PM] PCP: okay [20/01/2012 2:55:38 PM] PCP: I'm sold [20/01/2012 2:55:45 PM] PCP: probably should post that in the thread [20/01/2012 2:55:55 PM] james: I had to sell myself on it lol [20/01/2012 2:58:24 PM] james: although [20/01/2012 2:58:26 PM] james: re reading [20/01/2012 2:58:32 PM] james: a supersoft filter of another game [20/01/2012 2:58:37 PM] james: makes me think hes currently red -_- [20/01/2012 2:58:47 PM] PCP: no [20/01/2012 2:58:49 PM] PCP: his one post [20/01/2012 2:58:52 PM] PCP: he wouldn't do as mafia [20/01/2012 2:59:00 PM] james: oh that post i know [20/01/2012 2:59:04 PM] james: but he made such good posts [20/01/2012 2:59:05 PM] james: frequently [20/01/2012 2:59:08 PM] james: in another one as town [20/01/2012 3:00:13 PM] PCP: either way sandroba is a much better lynch than him [20/01/2012 3:01:17 PM] james: also [20/01/2012 3:01:24 PM] james: im in agreement with blazor =( [20/01/2012 3:01:25 PM] james: lol [20/01/2012 3:01:35 PM] james: just wouldn't push him this specific day [20/01/2012 3:02:36 PM] PCP: yeah I know you are [20/01/2012 3:02:39 PM] PCP: just wanted to make a point [20/01/2012 3:02:44 PM] PCP: and couldn't think of anyone better [20/01/2012 3:02:49 PM] james: tbh [20/01/2012 3:02:57 PM] james: as much as I'd like to off bm, i dont want to risk [20/01/2012 3:03:00 PM] james: offing incog yet [20/01/2012 3:03:11 PM] PCP: same here [20/01/2012 3:03:24 PM] james: as I have a solid town read on incog and bm is so fucking hard to read [20/01/2012 3:03:32 PM] PCP: also that was my way of calling him (blazh0r) out to see what/if he responds [20/01/2012 3:03:40 PM] james: thing is [20/01/2012 3:03:44 PM] james: no mafia lynched thus far [20/01/2012 3:03:48 PM] james: has realllly responded [20/01/2012 3:03:56 PM] james: L didn't really ever defend himself [20/01/2012 3:04:07 PM] james: instead he deflected [20/01/2012 3:04:13 PM] james: macpo pulled im "new card" [20/01/2012 3:04:23 PM] james: and did ciry post anything? [20/01/2012 3:04:33 PM] james: and most of them just ignored all analysis done [20/01/2012 3:04:41 PM] james: common trend seems to be bury shit [20/01/2012 3:04:43 PM] james: as fast as possible [20/01/2012 3:04:45 PM] james: while ignoring it [20/01/2012 3:04:52 PM] PCP: yeah [20/01/2012 3:12:26 PM] james: if he doesnt come out to defend himself [20/01/2012 3:12:29 PM] james: ill be more secure with this lol [20/01/2012 3:12:31 PM] james: or does it badly [20/01/2012 3:13:25 PM] james: also [20/01/2012 3:13:29 PM] james: VE really wants me to vote [20/01/2012 3:13:31 PM] james: wbg -_- [20/01/2012 3:13:50 PM] PCP: \ignore [20/01/2012 3:13:56 PM] james: i am [20/01/2012 3:13:56 PM] james: lol [20/01/2012 3:13:58 PM] PCP: =D [20/01/2012 3:14:03 PM] james: haha [20/01/2012 3:14:41 PM] james: I will say this now [20/01/2012 3:14:45 PM] james: if either you or incog or both are red [20/01/2012 3:14:47 PM] james: well done [20/01/2012 3:14:48 PM] james: lol [20/01/2012 3:14:55 PM] james: completely fooled if so [20/01/2012 3:15:41 PM] PCP: meh [20/01/2012 3:15:46 PM] PCP: bus 3 mafia members [20/01/2012 3:15:58 PM] PCP: also couldn't have been planned [20/01/2012 3:16:15 PM] PCP: so if by well done you mean, "you lucky mother fucker" then yeah I agree lol [20/01/2012 3:16:20 PM] james: hahaha [20/01/2012 3:17:16 PM] james: jesus [20/01/2012 3:17:16 PM] james: fucking christ [20/01/2012 3:17:18 PM] james: p4n [20/01/2012 3:17:21 PM] james: someone gag him [20/01/2012 3:36:49 PM] james: why do I join these things lol [20/01/2012 3:36:56 PM] james: shoulda moved on to poker like mikey [20/01/2012 3:37:22 PM] PCP: looool [20/01/2012 3:39:03 PM] james: also facebook is terrible about letting me know when my hot female friends become single [20/01/2012 3:39:05 PM] james: bad facebook [20/01/2012 3:39:19 PM] PCP: newb [20/01/2012 3:39:33 PM] james: lol to be fair [20/01/2012 3:39:36 PM] james: the one in question [20/01/2012 3:39:38 PM] james: is in victoria [20/01/2012 3:39:45 PM] PCP: hardly a commute for you [20/01/2012 3:39:46 PM] james: so not on my radar [20/01/2012 3:39:52 PM] james: she was when i lived out there but like [20/01/2012 3:39:53 PM] james: now? [20/01/2012 3:40:00 PM] james: and her ex [20/01/2012 3:40:04 PM] james: is more or less how i found out [20/01/2012 3:41:45 PM] james: did [20/01/2012 3:41:47 PM] james: p4n [20/01/2012 3:41:49 PM] james: fuck up badly? [20/01/2012 3:41:56 PM] james: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=149#2973 [20/01/2012 3:42:07 PM] james: if he has been so sure [20/01/2012 3:42:09 PM] james: on those lynches [20/01/2012 3:42:17 PM] james: why the fuck has he been voting for [20/01/2012 3:42:18 PM] james: SS [20/01/2012 3:42:31 PM] PCP: he's just stubborn [20/01/2012 3:42:35 PM] PCP: I gave up on him lol [20/01/2012 3:42:37 PM] james: lol [20/01/2012 3:49:29 PM] james: why would anyone fish [20/01/2012 3:49:30 PM] james: bg names -_- [20/01/2012 3:49:35 PM] james: when they were already distributed [20/01/2012 3:50:34 PM] PCP: they are distributed now? [20/01/2012 3:50:35 PM] PCP: wait what? [20/01/2012 3:51:50 PM] PCP: going to ignore p4n lol [20/01/2012 3:52:27 PM] james: lol [20/01/2012 3:52:33 PM] james: i gave out the names via encrypted [20/01/2012 3:52:35 PM] james: message [20/01/2012 3:52:40 PM] james: in the case I died [20/01/2012 3:52:41 PM] james: however [20/01/2012 3:52:45 PM] james: bm gave out the names [20/01/2012 3:52:47 PM] james: to two people -_- [20/01/2012 3:53:17 PM] PCP: oh okay that's what he means [20/01/2012 3:53:25 PM] PCP: you made it sound like someone posted it in the thread [20/01/2012 3:53:33 PM] james: nonono [20/01/2012 3:53:34 PM] james: lol [20/01/2012 3:53:38 PM] james: id be like [20/01/2012 3:53:42 PM] james: YOU FUCKING IDIOT [20/01/2012 3:55:10 PM] james: how do none of them see [20/01/2012 3:55:12 PM] james: the downside [20/01/2012 3:55:15 PM] james: to offing bm [20/01/2012 3:55:25 PM] james: if you had the option of sparing someone who might be red 1 more day [20/01/2012 3:55:32 PM] james: to give a town analysis more time [20/01/2012 3:55:35 PM] james: to do their work -_- [20/01/2012 3:55:44 PM] PCP: because dude [20/01/2012 3:55:48 PM] james: this isnt [20/01/2012 3:55:48 PM] PCP: that's common sense [20/01/2012 3:55:52 PM] james: a huge leap [20/01/2012 3:55:54 PM] james: of logic [20/01/2012 3:56:04 PM] james: hahaha [20/01/2012 3:56:27 PM] james: oh yea, common sense isnt common [20/01/2012 4:17:18 PM] james: im only going to be around for like another 30-45 minutes [20/01/2012 4:17:21 PM] james: before i head out for work [20/01/2012 4:17:35 PM] james: then ill be mia till midnightish est [20/01/2012 4:20:14 PM] PCP: kk [20/01/2012 4:20:24 PM] PCP: we can talk at night though yeah? [20/01/2012 4:20:28 PM] james: aye [20/01/2012 4:20:49 PM] PCP: k no worries [20/01/2012 4:20:59 PM] PCP: I won't be around for the lynch either cause I got to curl [20/01/2012 4:21:16 PM] PCP: and I sincerely hope you cringed when you read that [20/01/2012 4:43:36 PM] james: oh i did [20/01/2012 4:43:41 PM] james: fucking broom man [20/01/2012 4:44:10 PM] PCP: =D [20/01/2012 4:45:06 PM] james: is it wrong that the more i see [20/01/2012 4:45:12 PM] james: people not liking us swapping from bm [20/01/2012 4:45:18 PM] james: the more comfortable i am with the choice of swapping away? [20/01/2012 4:45:41 PM] PCP: no [20/01/2012 4:45:47 PM] PCP: if everyone was jumping ship with us [20/01/2012 4:45:50 PM] PCP: I'd be worried [20/01/2012 4:46:03 PM] PCP: like, "did hell just freeze over? people are ACTUALLY listening to us?!?!?" [20/01/2012 4:46:10 PM] james: lol [20/01/2012 4:46:32 PM] james: we also know [20/01/2012 4:46:38 PM] james: that 2 confirmed reds [20/01/2012 4:46:42 PM] james: voted for bm [20/01/2012 4:46:45 PM] james: one very last minute [20/01/2012 4:46:58 PM] james: and a fuck ton of dead town [20/01/2012 4:47:00 PM] james: went for incog [20/01/2012 5:03:23 PM] james: thread is yours to keep in order till you take off [20/01/2012 5:03:28 PM] james: talk to you later duder [20/01/2012 5:03:34 PM] PCP: kk ttyl [1:19:50 AM] james: munke is red i think unless he has some epic [1:19:51 AM] james: fucking post [2:57:08 AM] PCP: I believe it [2:57:10 AM] PCP: how was kingjames not mafia [2:57:11 AM] PCP: wtf [2:58:07 AM] james: i dont know [2:58:08 AM] james: at [2:58:09 AM] james: all [2:58:13 AM] james: #11 mafia player [2:58:15 AM] james: right there [2:58:26 AM] james: like, nothing he did [2:58:28 AM] james: was townie [2:58:30 AM] james: nothing [2:58:35 AM] PCP: yeah I know wtf [2:58:41 AM] james: fuck [2:58:41 AM] james: also [2:58:43 AM] james: fuck bm [2:58:44 AM] james: he dies [2:58:51 AM] james: glurio dies [2:59:00 AM] PCP: what did BM do? [2:59:00 AM] james: I have been sitting on fing filters [2:59:03 AM] james: for ages [2:59:06 AM] james: he mindfucked [2:59:08 AM] james: 3 vets [2:59:11 AM] james: thats what [2:59:58 AM] PCP: haha it's fine [3:00:10 AM] PCP: do I need to read anything near day end? [3:00:13 AM] PCP: cause I don't want to lol [3:00:46 AM] james: few random wtf posts [3:01:26 AM] james: munke imo outs himself [3:01:26 AM] james: completely [3:01:47 AM] james: kenpachi [3:01:49 AM] james: possibly red [3:02:08 AM] PCP: kk [3:02:11 AM] PCP: where's this munk e post? [3:02:34 AM] james: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=160#3200 [3:02:44 AM] james: massive analysis post [3:02:49 AM] james: to verify his vote choice [3:02:51 AM] james: however [3:02:56 AM] james: -_- as im thinking bm is heavy scum atm [3:03:03 AM] james: this guy could be town? but nothing he does [3:03:05 AM] james: seems town [3:03:57 AM] PCP: don't know how blazh0r flipped town too [3:04:55 AM] james: same lol [3:05:00 AM] james: but hes new [3:05:01 AM] james: as hell [3:05:17 AM] james: also [3:05:19 AM] james: bum [3:05:19 AM] james: is scum [3:05:21 AM] james: i think [3:05:31 AM] james: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=163#3260 [3:06:25 AM] james: i might have to take a step back though and really calm down [3:06:37 AM] james: distracted and moderatlly not fully with it for this i dont think -_- [3:06:38 AM] PCP: why is BM either putting a bomb out OR jailing [3:06:42 AM] PCP: he can do both -_- [3:11:01 AM] PCP: well I'm going to be out most of tomorrow so we probably won't get to chat [3:11:08 AM] PCP: anything you want to know before I go to sleep? [3:11:35 AM] james: reads on bm, bum, bb and meapak [3:11:57 AM] PCP: mafia, not mafia, who knows kill him anyways, still thinking mafia [3:12:34 AM] james: why not mafia on bum ? [3:12:47 AM] PCP: he's not playing very seriously [3:13:54 AM] james: you missed iceman [3:13:59 AM] james: in your votething [3:14:06 AM] PCP: was he a modkill? [3:14:13 AM] james: that or day 2 night shot [3:14:16 AM] james: hes flipped as townie [3:14:17 AM] james: in the OP [3:14:19 AM] PCP: no wonder [3:14:19 AM] PCP: oh well [3:14:25 AM] PCP: he's not in any important list of interest haha [3:14:29 AM] james: modkill [3:14:30 AM] james: lol [3:14:38 AM] james: hiro claimed [3:14:39 AM] james: dt [3:14:41 AM] james: check on roba [3:14:42 AM] PCP: yeah I just saw that [3:14:50 AM] PCP: he didn't say who he checked night 2 [3:15:03 AM] james: correct [3:15:09 AM] PCP: either he didn't check or it's not important [3:15:59 AM] PCP: if meapak continues to analyze useless players then he's mafia [3:16:10 AM] james: hasnt he only analyzed [3:16:12 AM] james: ggq [3:16:17 AM] james: and buddy'd up [3:16:19 AM] PCP: brownbear [3:16:21 AM] james: to all three of [3:16:22 AM] james: us? [3:16:27 AM] PCP: he's weird [3:16:31 AM] PCP: a few of his posts he was like [3:16:40 AM] PCP: "we should be wary of the triumvarate" [3:16:43 AM] james: then [3:16:50 AM] james: "follow them they are doing it right" next coming in a seperate post | ||
BloodyC0bbler
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Viscera (not complete as chatzilla rapes your messages if they get too long) + Show Spoiler + <BloodyC0bbler> and I helped force said wagon <BloodyC0bbler> correct <BloodyC0bbler> Won't dispute that <BloodyC0bbler> till jackal claimed <BloodyC0bbler> the vig shot on L <BloodyC0bbler> id have been on hims super hard today <VisceraEyes> I mean, me too <VisceraEyes> You saw my pre-dawn list <BloodyC0bbler> however, I don't claim in my posts <BloodyC0bbler> that I tried to stop protrac/sandro <BloodyC0bbler> voters <BloodyC0bbler> like meapak did <BloodyC0bbler> the only "dont vote for these two guys" posts he had was that he wanted ggq offed <BloodyC0bbler> but he has a post indicating those 3 <BloodyC0bbler> as the only lynch choices <VisceraEyes> God, if you're town <VisceraEyes> Then I may live the night <VisceraEyes> That would be hilarious <VisceraEyes> Because my reads are way off <VisceraEyes> Like usual <BloodyC0bbler> mine are lining up <BloodyC0bbler> with foolishness and incog <BloodyC0bbler> we have slight differences on reads <BloodyC0bbler> like i had jackal <BloodyC0bbler> so did incog <BloodyC0bbler> foolishness didnt <BloodyC0bbler> shit like that <VisceraEyes> Where do they stand on BM? <VisceraEyes> They're deafeningly silent this cycle so far too <BloodyC0bbler> as of day 2 <BloodyC0bbler> red <BloodyC0bbler> however the trend this day <BloodyC0bbler> is fucked <VisceraEyes> Foolish has verbally doubted it <BloodyC0bbler> hes also gainign votes <VisceraEyes> I don't know if that was a reaction thing <BloodyC0bbler> faster than anyone else <BloodyC0bbler> which screams bandwagon <BloodyC0bbler> and near no one is defending him <BloodyC0bbler> which screams mafia are fine with the death <VisceraEyes> The arguments are compelling though <BloodyC0bbler> oh dont get me wrong <BloodyC0bbler> they are <BloodyC0bbler> but its bm <VisceraEyes> It is <BloodyC0bbler> its like trying to off chez <VisceraEyes> I'm new here <BloodyC0bbler> with logical arguments <VisceraEyes> And I know about BM <BloodyC0bbler> him claiming hatter <BloodyC0bbler> and running for office <BloodyC0bbler> is fucked up <VisceraEyes> Oh I need a favor from you <VisceraEyes> Not game related. <VisceraEyes> I need you to tell me that Feast for Crows is worth it. <VisceraEyes> Because I'm about 1/5 the way through the book <VisceraEyes> And I'm about to put it down <VisceraEyes> I've got a buddy who's read it <VisceraEyes> And he can't do it. <VisceraEyes> He can't bring himself to tell me it's worth it. <VisceraEyes> Because he honestly can't remember. <VisceraEyes> And I believe him after what I've read. <BloodyC0bbler> feast is the 4th one correct? <VisceraEyes> ya <VisceraEyes> The Ciersi/Brienne show <VisceraEyes> Ya <BloodyC0bbler> first read I thought it was near terribad, second read I thought it was actually good <BloodyC0bbler> the biggest issue with it is <BloodyC0bbler> the only "cool" point of views <BloodyC0bbler> are arya and jaime <VisceraEyes> Jaime and <VisceraEyes> Ya <BloodyC0bbler> the book itself isnt terrible <VisceraEyes> And they're like, every 10th section <BloodyC0bbler> as it tells alot of important story <VisceraEyes> The way Bran was in the third book and shit <VisceraEyes> Ugh <VisceraEyes> Okay <BloodyC0bbler> and is needed for dance <BloodyC0bbler> to make sense <VisceraEyes> That's what I needed. <VisceraEyes> Because I need to read Dance of Dragons <VisceraEyes> Mainly because there are characters I need to hear from again <VisceraEyes> But I won't just skip 4 if it's important. <VisceraEyes> Anyway <VisceraEyes> Thx for that <VisceraEyes> Just needed encouragement where that's concerned...these Brienne chapters are wearing on me. <BloodyC0bbler> not a problem <BloodyC0bbler> oh her chapters <BloodyC0bbler> suck balls <BloodyC0bbler> most uninteresting character <BloodyC0bbler> ever <BloodyC0bbler> as a note <BloodyC0bbler> who are your current main scum reads? <VisceraEyes> I don't even know. <VisceraEyes> I need time <VisceraEyes> Um <VisceraEyes> I'm really not liking Toad <VisceraEyes> I mean <VisceraEyes> WBG <VisceraEyes> He talks a big game <VisceraEyes> But if he's town he's failing hard. <VisceraEyes> HARD <BloodyC0bbler> doesn't he normally fail hard <BloodyC0bbler> as town? <VisceraEyes> I don't know <BloodyC0bbler> He was failing a fuck ton in GM's big game <VisceraEyes> I just got back remember? <VisceraEyes> I don't even know the guy. <VisceraEyes> Except he's good at LoL <VisceraEyes> *shrug* <VisceraEyes> You know it's funny how glaringly town someone can be posting and so abysmally scummy they can be with their thought-process and reads. <VisceraEyes> I love being me. <VisceraEyes> I make games fun. <VisceraEyes> I don't care what anyone says. <VisceraEyes> See you've screwed up all my reads. <VisceraEyes> Bum isn't doing shit <VisceraEyes> But apparently Meapak is scum <VisceraEyes> And he's calling out Mepak <VisceraEyes> So I don't know anymore <BloodyC0bbler> lol <BloodyC0bbler> thing is analysis <BloodyC0bbler> is friggen tedious <BloodyC0bbler> fucking work <VisceraEyes> Yeah, I'm finding that <VisceraEyes> But the thing is <VisceraEyes> I don't know what the thing is <VisceraEyes> My other mason went MIA <VisceraEyes> He'll probably show up when I start making sense again. <VisceraEyes> *shrug* <VisceraEyes> Again for the first time <VisceraEyes> And who the fuck is this p4N guy? <VisceraEyes> Has he been around here before? <VisceraEyes> He plays like he's played here forever <VisceraEyes> Does he play at the live events with those guys? <VisceraEyes> Or some shit? <VisceraEyes> I'll tell you who else give off a "Fake-New" vibe <VisceraEyes> JayJay <VisceraEyes> Like, go back to his first post in game. <VisceraEyes> Same shit that Macpo got called on <VisceraEyes> Except <VisceraEyes> HE is actually capable of carrying on an argument <VisceraEyes> Even if it's a stupid one, he gives the illusion that he actually believes it. <VisceraEyes> Hell he might <VisceraEyes> But his conviction is...disturbing. <VisceraEyes> Go read our back and forth. <VisceraEyes> VE vs JJ <VisceraEyes> It's dumb...and interesting at the same time <VisceraEyes> I still can't figure him out. <BloodyC0bbler> i think he plays at live events (p4n) <BloodyC0bbler> jj <BloodyC0bbler> was going ape shit on my nuts <BloodyC0bbler> for awhile <BloodyC0bbler> i just started to ignore him <VisceraEyes> Well thanks, cause he then went apeshit on my nuts. <VisceraEyes> Let me ask you <VisceraEyes> Honesty <VisceraEyes> Hey <VisceraEyes> HEY <VisceraEyes> HONESTY <VisceraEyes> ALIGNMENT FREE <VisceraEyes> OKAY? <VisceraEyes> Is my CC case nothing but OMGUS? <VisceraEyes> It goes back there - back in the failClaim D1 days <BloodyC0bbler> CC seems <BloodyC0bbler> townie <BloodyC0bbler> tbh <VisceraEyes> Yea I know <VisceraEyes> But my case dude <BloodyC0bbler> link me to exact post <BloodyC0bbler> mind is currently on dealing with the KJ troll <VisceraEyes> Yeah <VisceraEyes> Um <VisceraEyes> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13141955 <VisceraEyes> Oh Bill's triumphant return. <VisceraEyes> He's such a waste <VisceraEyes> This game <VisceraEyes> Like, the only thing that even saves him is he MIGHT be scum <VisceraEyes> If he's scum, he's actually doing some good for his faction. <BloodyC0bbler> lol <BloodyC0bbler> yea <BloodyC0bbler> hes just annoying <VisceraEyes> Awesome <VisceraEyes> I'm gonna go smoke a bowl and fuck my wife then <VisceraEyes> Cause this games got nothin for me at this point <BloodyC0bbler> kk <VisceraEyes> Really I'm just gonna go staple some shit and head home <VisceraEyes> THEN those other things <VisceraEyes> But yeah, gotta finish up at work <VisceraEyes> We'll chat again before dusk <VisceraEyes> I still don't know if you're town or not. <VisceraEyes> Ah well. <BloodyC0bbler> if its any consolation <BloodyC0bbler> i pride myself in being unreadable <BloodyC0bbler> as it took me forever to do --- <VisceraEyes> Will you at least tell me whether you'd know if /I/ was town based on this conversation if you didn't know/don't know? <VisceraEyes> Oooooooo <VisceraEyes> That took too long <VisceraEyes> Peace dude. <BloodyC0bbler> id say likely town VisceraEyes> *tag* === VisceraEyes <webchat@50-90-142-54.res.bhn.net> “http://webchat.quakenet.org” === VisceraEyes: member of #TLMafia === VisceraEyes: attached to *.quakenet.org “QuakeNet IRC Server” --- End of WHOIS information for VisceraEyes. <VisceraEyes> What are your thoughts on BMs "bomb"? <VisceraEyes> Should we not lynch him to keep Protact alive? <VisceraEyes> Why isn't Protact super active in-thread if he has a bomb on him? <VisceraEyes> These are questions you should think about. <VisceraEyes> Also consider how much you actually trust these guys who "found" newbie scum D1. <VisceraEyes> If you're town anyway. <VisceraEyes> I'm going to work - will probably be back in chat at....6p EST <BloodyC0bbler> tbh <BloodyC0bbler> bm's bomb seems fucked <BloodyC0bbler> as i doubt town would have more kp <BloodyC0bbler> than mafia <BloodyC0bbler> in a single night <BloodyC0bbler> as for why protrac isn't active? no clue at all <BloodyC0bbler> same thing with foolishness <VisceraEyes> Vote for WBG <VisceraEyes> Tired of this shit <VisceraEyes> i don't know who to trust <VisceraEyes> So I'm going with my reads <VisceraEyes> Andnot give a fuck if they're wrong. <VisceraEyes> Like the vets do. <VisceraEyes> I think WBG is scum <VisceraEyes> I'ma get him lynched <VisceraEyes> If he's not, then people opposing his lynch for no reason <VisceraEyes> Are scum <VisceraEyes> Because he hasn't contributed in a meaningful way and there's no way to have a TOWN read on WBG at this point <VisceraEyes> Unless one has prior knowledge <BloodyC0bbler> -_- p4ns logic <BloodyC0bbler> is astouding <BloodyC0bbler> because I said his case on supersoft wasn't viable for the day <BloodyC0bbler> i must be red for defending ss if ss flips red <BloodyC0bbler> however <BloodyC0bbler> i defended p4n <BloodyC0bbler> so by same logic <BloodyC0bbler> p4n must be red if im red <BloodyC0bbler> do people even think about their posts -_- <VisceraEyes> People put a lot of stock in association <VisceraEyes> Maybe too much. <VisceraEyes> I'm guilty of the same <VisceraEyes> Hell, it's what sold you to me in that last PM game you owned me <VisceraEyes> Association alone <VisceraEyes> Vote WBG <VisceraEyes> Make him come defend himself. <BloodyC0bbler> lol <BloodyC0bbler> why is kingjames <BloodyC0bbler> only concentrating <BloodyC0bbler> on p4n <VisceraEyes> Why are you only concentrating on KJ? <VisceraEyes> I mean, srsly guy <VisceraEyes> Vote WHEREBUGS GO <VisceraEyes> An' I'm out. VisceraEyes> Psh === VisceraEyes <webchat@50-90-142-54.res.bhn.net> “http://webchat.quakenet.org” === VisceraEyes: member of #TLMafia === VisceraEyes: attached to *.quakenet.org “QuakeNet IRC Server” --- End of WHOIS information for VisceraEyes. <VisceraEyes> I didn't see a KJ lynch <VisceraEyes> but whatever. <VisceraEyes> KJ's case on p4N was good. <VisceraEyes> You're scum. But I know you're too good for me to get lynched. <VisceraEyes> First I'm gonna get WBG lynched. Then I'm gonna get kita lynched. <BloodyC0bbler> My result was wrong, however if you relook at kj's posts you'd understand why I pushed so gd hard. However, I am aware nothing I say will convince you otherwise as such I am not going to. I will say this, your welcome on pushing sandro for you <VisceraEyes> You're well aware you could change my mind VisceraEyes_> Maybe you can help me out with this <VisceraEyes_> Protact said WBG was "a nonsensical lynch" <VisceraEyes_> Why? <VisceraEyes_> Sandroba was getting modkilled <VisceraEyes_> That's something else <VisceraEyes_> It can't have escaped your notice that Sandroba was getting modkilled BC <VisceraEyes_> We absolutely wasted our DL <BloodyC0bbler> relying on someone to be modkilled <BloodyC0bbler> is -_- <BloodyC0bbler> one red flipped <BloodyC0bbler> a player who even after this game ends <BloodyC0bbler> I will argue was anti town as hell <BloodyC0bbler> is dead <BloodyC0bbler> I am honestly in disbelief at the kj flip =\ <VisceraEyes_> Why though? <VisceraEyes_> I don't get it <VisceraEyes_> I didn't get your case at all <BloodyC0bbler> what did he do <BloodyC0bbler> all game <BloodyC0bbler> that was pro town? <BloodyC0bbler> he outright <BloodyC0bbler> did fuck all <BloodyC0bbler> everything he called p4n out for <VisceraEyes_> So? What has bum done? <BloodyC0bbler> he infact was guilty of <BloodyC0bbler> bum hasn't done a few thigns <BloodyC0bbler> i associate with a red <BloodyC0bbler> bumb <BloodyC0bbler> bum* <VisceraEyes_> What has WBG done? <BloodyC0bbler> i have to reread his filter (wbg) that is <VisceraEyes_> You know what he's done <BloodyC0bbler> no I mean as in <BloodyC0bbler> his tells <VisceraEyes_> He pushed Palmar D1 and called Toad an idiot <VisceraEyes_> That's all he's done <VisceraEyes_> He isn't interested in helping town <BloodyC0bbler> have you played a game <BloodyC0bbler> with him <BloodyC0bbler> where hes been red <BloodyC0bbler> before? <BloodyC0bbler> or know of one <VisceraEyes_> No <BloodyC0bbler> that he was? <VisceraEyes_> No <VisceraEyes_> He mentioned onoe <VisceraEyes_> Actually <VisceraEyes_> When I asked <VisceraEyes_> Nono <VisceraEyes_> I asked for one where he was town <VisceraEyes_> And Palmar was scum <VisceraEyes_> To try and convince GiygaS that WBG was NOT scummy... -.- <VisceraEyes_> Oh <VisceraEyes_> MLP he was scum <VisceraEyes_> Ninja actually <BloodyC0bbler> mlp? <VisceraEyes_> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263036&user=60039 <VisceraEyes_> My Little Pony <VisceraEyes_> He was the lesbo pony <BloodyC0bbler> is it just me <BloodyC0bbler> or does he seem far more subdued <BloodyC0bbler> in the filter you just linked me <BloodyC0bbler> and in L <BloodyC0bbler> compared to <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=60039 <BloodyC0bbler> you need to learn to be more vocal <BloodyC0bbler> i don't think you are actually wrong atm <BloodyC0bbler> bleh <VisceraEyes_> I know I'm not <VisceraEyes_> when he's town <VisceraEyes_> He's all about trying to figure shit out <VisceraEyes_> in this game he's just going with his gut and meta <VisceraEyes_> it's fucking bullshit <VisceraEyes_> and transparent as hell <VisceraEyes_> Like, if he'd responded to my attempt to draw him out <VisceraEyes_> by defending him <VisceraEyes_> But he didn't at all <BloodyC0bbler> reading his friggin filter <BloodyC0bbler> the only person he "pushed" was palmar <BloodyC0bbler> and givein day 1 (only day 1) he pulled <BloodyC0bbler> a mofo roba <BloodyC0bbler> play <BloodyC0bbler> appear "townie" day 1 then fuck off <BloodyC0bbler> god damnit <VisceraEyes_> It only gets better <VisceraEyes_> Wait til you get to the part where he starts arguing with toad <VisceraEyes_> He goes on and on about how toad isn't trying to help find scum <VisceraEyes_> Toad almost loses it <VisceraEyes_> It's like actually a really good scum move, toad lost credibility with that blowup <VisceraEyes_> Just like I did earlier tonight <VisceraEyes_> If I push WBG, he walks tomorrow <VisceraEyes_> I'm just that paranoid idiot that mafia want dead <BloodyC0bbler> read foolishness' <BloodyC0bbler> current general reads <BloodyC0bbler> -_- i think hes more or less <BloodyC0bbler> right <BloodyC0bbler> wbg deff should be on the list <BloodyC0bbler> however <VisceraEyes_> The strange part <VisceraEyes_> Is that Protact called WBG a "nonsensical lynch" <VisceraEyes_> Those were his words <VisceraEyes_> Why? <BloodyC0bbler> that was from earlier today correct? <VisceraEyes_> Okay you agree with Foolish list <VisceraEyes_> What makes MunkE a good lynch? <BloodyC0bbler> all his posts <BloodyC0bbler> of "content" <BloodyC0bbler> dont really say <BloodyC0bbler> fuckall <BloodyC0bbler> he analyzes people <BloodyC0bbler> hes sheep voting on <BloodyC0bbler> for one day <BloodyC0bbler> then he analyzes <BloodyC0bbler> 3 main election candidates <BloodyC0bbler> concludes <BloodyC0bbler> protract is town <BloodyC0bbler> does a chunk of analysis on me <BloodyC0bbler> and basically says <BloodyC0bbler> im red <VisceraEyes_> All 2 of them? <BloodyC0bbler> but never calls me it <BloodyC0bbler> then in like <BloodyC0bbler> 4 lines <BloodyC0bbler> sums up bm as red <BloodyC0bbler> he then again <BloodyC0bbler> analyzes bm <BloodyC0bbler> and doesnt on roba <BloodyC0bbler> both of which he sheep voted for <VisceraEyes_> Oh and on the Protact thing <VisceraEyes_> That was near the end of the day <VisceraEyes_> Right after you left <VisceraEyes_> Just before he left <BloodyC0bbler> looking for it now <VisceraEyes_> And I wanted your opinion on something else <VisceraEyes_> This is serious and I want you to entertain the notion <VisceraEyes_> Hiro Protagonist <VisceraEyes_> Fake-claimed DT <BloodyC0bbler> where is protracts post <VisceraEyes_> To solidify the Sandroba lynch <BloodyC0bbler> saying what you said? <BloodyC0bbler> im in his filter <BloodyC0bbler> and his last post was <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=157#3124 <BloodyC0bbler> as for the fake claim <BloodyC0bbler> it is possible <BloodyC0bbler> but it means they have planned the fake claim <BloodyC0bbler> for awhile <VisceraEyes_> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13220133 <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716¤tpage=160#3197 dropping this here for sake of keeping it somewhere <BloodyC0bbler> ahh i was looking too far down into his filter <VisceraEyes_> It wasn't even that close to the end of the day <VisceraEyes_> Like, WBG is more red than KJ by far in my opinion <VisceraEyes_> At least KJ had a case and believed in it <BloodyC0bbler> kj did, however only came out <BloodyC0bbler> when i called him out <BloodyC0bbler> and he misrepresented himself by far <BloodyC0bbler> you are correct however <BloodyC0bbler> wbg looks terrible <BloodyC0bbler> and My guess on protrac (as i have no clue as his actual thought process) is the analysis <BloodyC0bbler> you did <VisceraEyes_> But pushed with it, even under heavy scrutiny by town leadership <BloodyC0bbler> wasn't at his standards of quality <BloodyC0bbler> true <BloodyC0bbler> but he nailed someone in a rush <BloodyC0bbler> p4n i have a bad town read <BloodyC0bbler> on <VisceraEyes_> I don't care about my analysis <VisceraEyes_> You dismissed WBG as well until you took ONE look at the filter <BloodyC0bbler> yes, which I didn't do <BloodyC0bbler> during the day <BloodyC0bbler> I have already been cursing myself <BloodyC0bbler> for getting dragged into <BloodyC0bbler> petty arguments with people via thread <BloodyC0bbler> and getting distracted <BloodyC0bbler> Hes also managed to dodge <BloodyC0bbler> at least 3 suspect lists <BloodyC0bbler> in mine <BloodyC0bbler> protracts <BloodyC0bbler> and foolishness' <BloodyC0bbler> god i need to sleep. Ill be on tommorrow most of the day as I don't work. I need to get my head clear and start doing indepth reading <VisceraEyes_> Probably from his whole Palmar push <BloodyC0bbler> yea <BloodyC0bbler> his day 1 <BloodyC0bbler> seems normal town him <BloodyC0bbler> rest of his play <BloodyC0bbler> is fucked <VisceraEyes_> Anyway, I might be on tomorrow too. <VisceraEyes_> Maybe not. <VisceraEyes_> I've all but written this game off <VisceraEyes_> I've dug myself a hole <VisceraEyes_> No one's listening to me <BloodyC0bbler> if you are on, talk to you then, if not, then sorry for being such a massive retard <BloodyC0bbler> on the wbg front <BloodyC0bbler> and Honestly <BloodyC0bbler> the hole you dug <VisceraEyes_> Meh <BloodyC0bbler> is something you can get out of <VisceraEyes_> I'm a retard <BloodyC0bbler> peace duder <VisceraEyes_> Later. Giant spaces are where the info in each of my windows begins. Note, i left the last window unposted as it is still ungoing. | ||
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You guys can all say "but BC we don't trust you" Yea so let me ask you this. Why are we not following the advice of the dead town DT who snagged near every red thus far this game? BM drops. If he somehow flips town im fucked and dead after. If anyone was jailed last night, claim it. If anyone took a hit same shit, if you were rb'd again. Anyone who was mason'd to scamp should be coming forward as well. The mafia are running with their tails in their legs trying to keep bm alive right now, DO NOT LET IT HAPPEN. | ||
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On January 22 2012 12:40 Slardar wrote: Priority should remain on focusing on BC or BM today. With this many Masons running amok (+2 town Masons already flipped) I think it's fair to call BS on the other Masons considering there are what... 2-3 more claims out? Obviously one if not more are scum... Also I feel like a fuck now, took my vote off Protract in the end. I think it would have all ended up tied but BC (First) BM (2nd) and Protract (3rd) and wouldn't have changed anything in who got elected, still feel bad. Sorry Mystlord/Incognito 2-3 more claims? what game have you been playing. we have 2 dead masons myself, cwave, glurio, opz, supersoft, jitsu all alive and claimed mason. Of the two dead flipped ones, 1 was modkilled the other never claimed. | ||
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At the moment BM, we deal with him and continue going. After him we nail opz. From there we can move into the lurking tards like munk-e who do next to fing nothing unless the major mafia still active (if there are any) reveal their heads. | ||
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On January 22 2012 12:59 p4NDemik wrote: Who is trying to keep BM alive? Last I saw it was you, proact (may he rest in peace), and foolishness who worked so hard for him to live just one more day yesterday. To save the dt who is now dead? That same dt who's near final words were kill bm -_- Do you seriously think hes town? Honestly? Can you sit in your chair with a straight face and say "bm is town"? Bm has performed badly and three people were duped by a claim. | ||
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On January 22 2012 13:01 p4NDemik wrote: Toadesstern he was also wrong on Jackal. except jackal admits to purposely derping to make sure he got to shoot. He has been his typical self since then for the most part. With his play he should have known that would happen. He was wrong on Kingjames like I was who was arguably the unofficial mafia of the game as the guy was clearly behaving as a mafia would. Seriously, no one should be hesitating to lynch BM at the moment. | ||
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On January 22 2012 13:12 p4NDemik wrote: He has no reason to defend Protact putting you on his list. It wouldn't have happened if you guys hadn't coincidentally posted in the same 5 minute window. As you are trying to discredit the dead man, I would say there is a valid reason. | ||
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On January 22 2012 13:17 p4NDemik wrote: wtf I'm not discrediting him I just gave a very clean and very logical reason why Jackal was still on his list at that point in time. He was busy composing that list at nearly the same time Jackal called his hit. If he would have read and realized he wouldn't have put Jackal on his list. I have nothing against Protact here I was posting a simple clarification to toad's mistake and explaining why Protact made that mistake. In a roundabout way I was sort of helping you by explaining away one of Protact's mistakes. But yet you are on my ass ... wonder why. refer to your last post on the previous page and your first one on this page. Factor in his last post on targets was pushing bm I would say its a subtle jab at discrediting him. You then opt to try and flip my explanation of why jackal could have been on a list into a negative while instantly doing a similar form of explanation yourself. I know you want me dead as you dislike how I dealt with you in regards to Supersoft. You also hate that KJ flipped town. However, even you should realize that although you may dislike my play, BM is the most logical lynch today. | ||
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On January 22 2012 13:19 p4NDemik wrote: Jackal the important thing is why is BC attacking me just now I actually just helped him a bit. because you attacked me first? | ||
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On January 22 2012 13:21 Toadesstern wrote: yeah but I realy don't like you going after protacs list either and I don't like calling the shots right now. You and foolish mislynched into KJ, not sure if protact had a case on him but I do remember yours and foolishs. You said if KJ flips town that's HUGE amount of information because you pushed the guy hardcore. So what's happening with that information? Do you want to tell me the information is that you're townie because you got a townie lynched or are you agreeing that it looks weird? Also now you're blindly sheeping. I can understand that you trust the guy but flipping blue does not make him 100% right as p4n and I have already pointed out. 4 ouf of 9 on his list are wrong, 2 out of 9 are right and 3 out of 9 are unclear right now. You're looking like someone who does not want to be held responsibility because next thing you say is "srysry guys, I just went for the guy that our dead, CONFIRMED DT wanted to lynch. Not my fault at all!". I am not going to vote BM so easily. I want to hear what he has to say and I want to hear what he did this night. I've analyzed BM surprisingly so me continuing going for him isn't retarded. Also note protract also did analyze KJ, he was on KJ scumlists that he posted in thread. If you honestly can't look back and see why I pushed KJ so heavily and that both foolishness and protrac would go for him as well then I have no idea what to say to you. You can call it blind sheeping but as mr p4n is opting to make a run at me it gives me reason to say "hey, just so you know, dead guy also said this". I am not opting to go with "its not my fault at all" but if you think a player who doesn't know how the elected position works with power roles, when he was playing in games well before you started playing here then again, don't know what to say to you. We have always been able to use whatever our role was + the elected one. He says he feared claiming his role (after elected mind you) as he was scared of a roleblock that couldnt happen. He then says "lynch bc or I wont move my bomb" Those are some of his last contributions of yesterdays day. Is that townie behaviour at all? The roleblock question was answered via a mod in thread, he knows damn well you can use role + elected role same night, and knows holding a lynch hostage is anti town. You all know this same information and yet This has to be spelt out? What is he magically going to say when he comes back that will make you think hes worth lynching, out and out saying "im red?" | ||
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On January 22 2012 13:33 p4NDemik wrote: Fair enough if you want to read it that way but that's not how I see it. I feel like I've done enough and I've presented myself in such a way that I am playing very much with town's interestes in mind. I have been very active and very town. He's been careful not to push very hard that I am mafia up until this point in time because I have been very pro-town and a case against me would be very difficult to make. Now. He presents Protact's agenda on top of his casket and tells us to follow our brave leader despite him being dead and not being able to give us actual guidance. He does this to rally support behind an initiative that isn't mine and that wouldn't spell his demise obviously. Now, what I did was clarify a small mistake in Toadesstern's analysis of Protact's list. But I quickly followed that up with the point that the fact you were on that list is not Protact's fault and should not take away from the merit of the list. I did not detract from the merit of Protact's list. All I did was clarify a small error. But BC is mad and hinting I'm mafia. Which is absurd. I think we saw a brief moment of BC's real emotions slipping out folks. don't worry, when I think your mafia and being dumb i will clarify for you. I have yet to say "hey guys, lets lynch this red" so stop trying to defend a case that doesn't exist. | ||
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don't worry, when I think your mafia and not just being dumb i will clarify for you. I have yet to say "hey guys, lets lynch this red" so stop trying to defend a case that doesn't exist. | ||
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On January 22 2012 13:50 wherebugsgo wrote: This is actually a very good point. I can't think of anyone with half a brain who would've actually believed BM's claim in the way that he made it. Problem I have right now is that BM very well could just be super bad town. I'm so torn it's annoying. I just want to kill him now, since he can't say "oh well I have a bomb on Protact! herp derp" so that means that 3 people who first unvoted are all either red or horribad right? Since it was done based on his claim and all. | ||
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On January 22 2012 14:16 Bill Murray wrote: I got my bomb back from Incognito, but it turns out it would have come back in the end I am surprised Foolishness and my bodyguards are still alive, a sigh of relief Now we can focus on what is next - who has a bomb on them GGQ, sorry mate are you saying you put a bomb on ggq? | ||
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On January 22 2012 14:37 Jackal58 wrote: Who the fuck are you and why are you pointing out a fact as a reason to vote. I would say the important point is, based on the OP it suggest you can't move a bomb from player a to b, but only remove it from player a to put on player b at a later point. If thats the case, BM saying "i have a bomb on someone" is a clearly a lie. | ||
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On January 22 2012 14:16 Bill Murray wrote: I got my bomb back from Incognito, but it turns out it would have come back in the end I am surprised Foolishness and my bodyguards are still alive, a sigh of relief Now we can focus on what is next - who has a bomb on them GGQ, sorry mate This is why I think he said he had a bomb on ggq? its weirdly formatted but it clearly suggests theres a bomb in play. | ||
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On January 22 2012 23:40 jaj22 wrote: Although BM lying about the bodyguard(s) also makes sense from a scum perspective, as an attempt to push suspicion away from Sandroba. based on cwaves comment i can already tell you that bm did not release the correct bg names to them | ||
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On January 22 2012 23:58 Jackal58 wrote: Have either turned up dead? Or do you not know the names BM passed off? i would hazard a guess that the ones he gave are two names he outed in the post he outed who mason'd him? was one of his goodbye posts. However as i have not talked to jitsu or cwave i cannot be sure. I just know based on cwaves statment the names he was given was not accurate | ||
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On January 23 2012 11:06 p4NDemik wrote: need I also point out BC has not gone to his chat logs as a defense? that is one of the strongest bargaining chips he has but he has not emphasized them at all. He has let other people make those assertions for him. If you are using this as a reason to hold you back from voting for him please think: "Isn't it shady he isn't putting more focus on those logs? Shouldn't he be reinforcing and bolstering those assumptions that other town have made?" My actions speak for themselves. If people want to lynch me for them I get lynched. Spending too much time defending myself and not enough time reading the thread and trying to sort my reads properly has been a massive issue this game. Also. trying to cast doubt on me because im not frequently pointing at things I have done this game as "defense" is a terrible move and screams desperation. People can read those logs and come to their own conclusion or ask questions for clarification. Me spending time to walk you all through them is pointless and serves no purpose this game aside from waste time. How about today, you do what I have had to do, which is step back and take a deep breathe. Once you've calmed down, re enter the thread and rather than out and out tunneling someone, begin reading the thread again. Its a long process I am aware but god knows tunneling on one target does not help anyone. You have pushed me and pushed me hard. Yet thats more or less all you have done is super push on me. Stop tunneling and look at the game either more objectively or realize your case for the day has been made and move onto analyzing new people. Spending all your time in one spot helps no one. Even I have made that mistake this game. | ||
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On January 24 2012 04:27 glurio wrote: With all the lying BM basically nailed his coffin shut. Obvious vote. BMs alignment will give us quite a bit of information, so double lynch tomorrow is a good idea i believe. what are your other reads? Long as you are here might as well explain conclusions or the like that you have come to. | ||
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On January 24 2012 04:31 Jackal58 wrote: If we are both alive at the beginning of the next day cycle would you mason me? i can do that yea. | ||
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On January 24 2012 05:17 glurio wrote: I'll make a post later this evening before i go to sleep, got some things to attend to right now. how hard is it to commit a few reads. Whos scum, whos not? | ||
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On January 24 2012 06:53 Toadesstern wrote: could someone tell me who claimed mason and link it if I missed it? I know bc claimed mason I know opz claimed mason I know jitsu claimed mason I know supersoft claimed mason am I missing someone? All claims of masons in game that i remember. BC Opz Mattchew(dead) Supersoft Glurio Cwave Jitsu Scamp flipped mason but never claimed to my knowledge in thread. | ||
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On January 24 2012 07:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: My bad, Glurio wasn't the one who slipped, it was someone who got replaced, I'll have to go find out who. Also, scum doesn't necessarily have all their roles, from the OP: Given that only the gf and an extremely suspicious dt have claimed rb'd I think it's highly likely there isn't a dt. id say its highly likely there isn't a rber personally. | ||
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On January 24 2012 07:10 Toadesstern wrote: ok glurio right, forgot about him, that makes: BC Supersoft opz jitsu glurio I'd say out of those two BC & opz sounds reasonable or only BC. This is speculation but let me explain my train of thoughts: What we lynched so far: Godfather + Goon + Goon + Goon So 6 people are left and we only found 1 powerrole, their beloved godfather. Let's just assume mafia HAS at least 1 mason. Do you think they would give mason powers to people like jitsu? I mean mason? They could give him another power role, no problem because those new people get away with lurking way more than people like BC. Therefore he's more safe and they can talk about how he would use it. Let me get this clear: I am NOT sayin jitsu is mafia, it's a thought experiment (wtf, dict.cc says it's "Gedankenexperiment" in english as well? That's german :p ). Especially mason is hard to do for new players so BC makes perfect sense. Also Godfather on L makes perfect sense if BC is mayor because they don't need to godfather BC if he gets mayor. He's immune to DT's. Given what I just said and yes it is speculation it sounds perfectly reasonable that BC might as well be a Mason and those other 3 power roles might or might now be hidden within lurkers. However again, I doubt mafia would give people like glurio or jitsu mason. I could see opz or Supersoft as reasonable but other than that? Of course that implies that there's no other masons around who did not claim until now but since noone said a thing I'd say there's noone left. If there is another mason or you've been masoned by someone you're a moron and need to tell us. I really don't see how mafia gave mason powers to someone like I already mentioned. Why did L flip without mason? Why did Sandroba flip without mason? Because there's another good player in here who's got mason powers, and that player is BC. Do you think I faked logs day 1? Do you think if I was a mason rather than masoning a town member I would "mason a mafia"? Do you think that I would ever expose myself in pm's when I could easily fake them for my team members with little to no heat on myself? Opz and glurio are the clearly best choices for the mafia masons. If you truly believe I am red analyze me please. Talking about "what makes sense" when you completely ignore the continued use of my role thus far this game is hilarious. If I was mafia, do you really think I would wait 2 days of letting protract rape my team before killing him? You can say all those points are wifom, however you are basing an entire argument on guess work and not real analysis. It is all speculation that at no point in time can be proven. Make a real case, don't pretend to make real cases. | ||
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On January 24 2012 07:19 Cwave wrote: Well then BloodyCobbler has lied about not listing one of his bodyguards! incorrect. I said he did not provide you with the correct names. See thats a plural there. I never said he didn't give out a correct name. I said correct names. It is a subtle thing I am aware. If you notice, I've listed both of my bgs as potential reds, why? Because neither has posted fuck all this game and both look terrible. | ||
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On January 24 2012 07:23 Cwave wrote: Hello mafia jack!!! If you "were" a mason"? You ARE a mason or so you claimed............! ##VOTE: BloodyC0bbler really? I'm already a proven fucking mason dickweed. -_- I've masoned protract, roba, foolishness and meapak. thats 4 uses. So you could argue I am red and that 3 of those people are red as well as a jack cannot use the same ability twice. So what is it? Meapak myself and foolishness all red to support your theory. Also, your trying to make a case of me using the past context of a word. I was a mason then, I am a mason now, I will continue being a mason in the future. Why the hell are you guys making cases off of grammar when you're not doing event doing it properly? | ||
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On January 24 2012 07:43 Toadesstern wrote: and about solid reasons about BC: Well what about the fact that you lynched 2 townies so far? What happens if BM flips green? A green hattrick? We probably not going to get someone else lynched but if that happens you're going to hang. What about the fact that you've done nearly nothing for town so far? Sure you're mason and have important stuff to do in pm-land but that's also a nice excuse isn't it? What about the fact that you said early on that we won't lynch someone today but BC (if I recall correctly here) and for the rest of the day you've been standing next to us, doing nothing but watching the thread? Sure that's what a townie does. What about all your talk with foolish and protact? Am I the only one who thinks that you're desperatly trying to get towncred? Like you really HAVE TO point out that you're so protown? Find my horribad pro mafia moves please. Palmar was scummy as hell day 1. You can say "well he flipped town" no excuse for shitty behaviour. KJ played exactly like a red. Did I push for his lynch the hardest? Yes, however he was also on at least two other scumlists. Find my extremely anti town posts. If people want to analyze me, go ahead. Making a case based on "well in my world bc did x because of y so z must be true" is essentially horseshit. Making bogus reasons on why someone is red is not a case its fear mongering. Also, on the offchance said case was somehow correct, it means you would actually be red along with said case subject as that would be the only way to get it correct while discounting all other scenarios. Also if your going to point at someone for appearing "pro town" should we bring out your posts of pointing at how right all your reads have been? Stop building terrible cases. Make real analysis. | ||
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Opz, glurio. If I die, obviously both my bgs are red and their names have already been outed. However, based on how bm was playing and comments made throughout this thread I believe that chances are fairly good that at least 1 of my bgs is red. Also, awesome modkills, and fu BM | ||
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On January 24 2012 12:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Strongest 3 reads going into the next day. Opz, glurio. If I die, obviously both my bgs are red and their names have already been outed. However, based on how bm was playing and comments made throughout this thread I believe that chances are fairly good that at least 1 of my bgs is red. Also, awesome modkills, and fu BM EBWOP Forgot the third name Kenpachi. Of the bgs he seems the shiftiest. other names that stand out fast, lanaia, bum, slardar. | ||
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It is entirely possible hiro is the remaining scum. I say this as day 1 the roleblock was claimed via L the mafia gf. Now you ask why I say this is a possibility? Well, due to occams razor we can conclude that ciry was most likely shot by kurumi. Kurumi essentially claimed vig in thread (why else would he be shot), and VE claimed JOAT and again was not roleblocked. With 2 publically claimed blues and neither rb'd it seems likely that there is no rber. Factor in the second night there was no claim to a rb either. This leads me to believe that based on hiro's odd claim of dt that he is in fact not a dt. My read of him is not as strong as opz and glurio so I will prefer they get lynched first, however Hiro based on the wtfness of the rbs is a legit option. | ||
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The fact that neither foolishness or protract are on that prot list makes me sad | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:07 bumatlarge wrote: Guys, I'm a medic, i protected kita night 1, VE night 2, and protact night 3. We need to lynch BC Hey guys, we found a mafia for tommorrow. Wtf bum? why would you out yoruself -_- | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:07 p4NDemik wrote: Would you guys stop being pussies and push him instead of letting him off the hook after he posts a grand total of two lines? I'm being melodramatic I know and I'm a bit caught up in the fact that 3 mafia just died but I haven't even voted for him to be hung yet. FFS guys. A whole game's worth of analysis and STICKING TO MY LYNCH vote of Bill two nights ago gets my eye rolls and disrespect? -_- Which 3 players controlled the lynches this game primarily. Which 3 players pushed or analyzed the reds most heavily than most that flipped red? If you say a name aside from protract, myself and foolishness your out and out lying. There is no way foolishness let the majority of his team get offed without batting an eye. | ||
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thats odd, VE claimed he used his vet power and saved his own life. Hey kita? shed some light on your save yo. | ||
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incog too much rapage | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:27 Adam4167 wrote: I KNEW IT. I knew that shit was coming and I get called a fearmonger for bringing it up. the downside was if they did this that instead of their two red bgs dying, they'd lose roba and opz. Regardless, based on how I gave out my bg names I was safe from death unless they outed 2 of their team. | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:33 ~OpZ~ wrote: I wanted to do this so bad.. I was willing to be a mafia BG, and I would of said to put Ciryandor up to, because his posts in thread had me face palming and I knew he'd be the first of us to go. So honestly BC, I don't think it'd be a bad exchange. and when did you get pmd your BG list? i got my bg list from the hosts like 3 hours before the transition from night 1 to day 2 -_- its why a bg was so high on my radar all game as well lol. but yes, offing me + protract for 2 of you isn't that huge a loss for mafia, while insane for town. | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:37 ~OpZ~ wrote: + foolishness. Town would of devolved into ravenous animals. Sandroba would of had instant town cred. Him and L would of cleaned house. why did you guys not just stack foolishness/protract both n1 and n2? It would have made me look terribad, and save your game for you lol | ||
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Had you spent the time gimping the top players with thread control / scum analyzers I think you guys would have lasted longer. It didn't help that myself, protract and foolishness near cleared eachother by day 2. | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:53 p4NDemik wrote: wow i was so wrong on most of my conclusions. at least i presented myself as town and voted for a good mayor candidate i suppose. gg guys damn supersoft i wish you would not have lurked so hard. i wasted so much time because you lurked like mafia then didn't defend yourself at all T-T You had a bad case. There wasn't much to defend -_- | ||
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On January 24 2012 14:56 Ciryandor wrote: This I also think was a major failing on the scumteam's part, I was quite disappointed that I wasn't hearing anyone in the scum team really establish a base-line to attack Proact/Foolish/WBG; and that even though we had a veteran core and we had a couple of "throwaway" plays in me and Macpo early on, the team just felt too disjointed and didn't want to take risks in going for an advantage over town. I also keep playing a scum-like game, somebody PM me on how I should be approaching D1 discussion in these big games because I'll probably end up always reacting like scum simply because I'm the sort to fish for reactions, not solicit accusations. As bad as my mason idea was, im pretty sure it gave a near insta read of town to phil which imo was insanely important day 1. Force discussions. My analysis may have been spotty but I managed to force people to post in alot of ways or force lynches which got people posting. That is all townlike. All those who accused me after day 2 lynch -_- | ||
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No, scum masons are broken as fuck | ||
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On January 24 2012 16:00 ~OpZ~ wrote: LMAO....you told me the wrong Body Guards?! omg....lol <3 you should have just decrypted the message I sent you and roba. As hilarity here it is once upon a time there was a magical animal that was furry and brown. It may have been a bear. This creature was so strong that it felled all who went after it. Hearing of the might of this legendary monster a deadly swordsman with an eyepatch made his way and felled the monster with a single blow. As he walked away, wind made the bells in his hair jingle. | ||
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yea, brown bear. The one eyepatch swordmen with bells in hair is kenpachi from bleach hurr durr | ||
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On January 24 2012 16:07 ~OpZ~ wrote: .....are...you...serious... Did you post the decrypt key in thread? you had the message to decrypt, roba had the key + website to use. | ||
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On January 24 2012 16:13 ~OpZ~ wrote: Like...if you would of did that if we subbed BG's in....omg...that would of been hilarious... yea, id have outed 2 of your team. Basically had you guys subbed 2 reds, (and you and roba both being red) killing me n1 required offing two of your own team in the process, wooooo | ||
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*turn on pokemon battle music* Incog is sent out. Incog uses Analysis Its super effective Mafia uses sacrifical lamb It isn't very effective Incog swaps out, BC sent in BC is given Incogs analysis BC uses push agenda Its super effective Mafia use fake claim it misses A wild foolishness appears Analysis was approved. Foolishness uses chain vote All previous players vote with foolishness Its super effective | ||
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On January 24 2012 23:35 Palmar wrote: @Bugs: Even after explaining very clearly why you had no chance of being correct (see spoilered). + Show Spoiler + On January 14 2012 20:57 Palmar wrote: No, because you don't have a case. My play is in no way, shape, or form bad. Take away the Palmar name, and you have someone you'd probably have a town read on. This means you're not reading the game objectively, and thus it's your play that's bad, not mine. If you remove meta from a case, it should still have some merit to it. Does yours? The only possible way you're playing well right now, is if you're scum. And the fact that I provided some excellent analysis: + Show Spoiler + On January 15 2012 06:20 Palmar wrote: @Sheth: No, you don't look scummy for defending me, mafia knows my alignment, but you could also simply have come to the correct conclusion. My current read on you is null, or maybe slightly leaning town There is no real benefit in the mason thing, as the role is almost completely irrelevant this game, seeing as both sides have access to it. There is no con other than discussion about it taking up space and thought power that can be put to better use. I've basically decided to ignore the claims. I do however find it weird people are claiming on day 1. I think this game is infested with masons and jacks, and I think the sooner we realize this, the sooner we can actually start getting something done. I think Ciryandor may have screwed up in his very first post. Of all the things in that post what struck me as odd was the speculation if sandroba and I were going to run, just the way it was worded and in the context of his post, it feels like a very insecure statement. I also think BC is a good lynch, because his claim is strictly bad. However, there also exists a scenario where BC believes he's doing something good, when he isn't, and it doesn't make him scum. I'm not sure. Of other people I think VE should be treated as town if CC flips. As scum he'd have used his tunnel on me as an excuse to shoot me, I think. I'm on the fence about bugs. I think Refallen is very townie (or Cwave now). Meapak already looks like town. Kenpachi deserves a bullet, as usual. And still you think it's my play that's bad? Your scum play is excellent, but your town play is really lacking. Also, this is why mayor games suck. I would never have gotten majority lynched, because majority of people aren't stupid. BC didn't even announce he was lynching me until after he had been elected, although he hinted at it. to repeat what I have said to a few people. Day 1 I got back from work 10ish minutes before the lynch and had to catch up on all the posts made from when i had left like 6 hours before or something like that. The heaviest push on you happened more or less as I left. As i was in a rush to avoid a modkill your name went down as up til I left you were pretty apathetic. Had i been able to fully catch up on the thread before the deadline I most likely wouldn't have picked you, doesn't really mean much now however lol | ||
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