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On January 17 2012 14:15 Scamp wrote: If you really think Jackal is the best play, I don't mind the large case. I'm just opposed to gigantic distractions. Macpo is currently the clear play. I wish he would say something. He already said something once, I'm not expecting him to come back and say anything more, whether we lynch him or not. | ||
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On January 17 2012 14:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Foolishness I'm kinda dissapointed. Your case against me is based around meta. Yeah it's true, I've never tunneled anyone hardcore like I'm doing with GGQ right now, does that necessaily make me scum? You don't think GGQ is scum, however incog/protact agrees with me. So what am I doing then? By your logic I'm a hyperaggressive scum trying to mislynch a townie, thats nothing like my scum meta (feeling free to use this since you brought it up as part of your case). If you use incog's logic, I'm scum bussing a teammate. But what's my next move? My red list largely agrees with both yours, if I suddenly back off any of them it'll be super obvious. If I'm scum then I'm locked into bussing my own team for the next several days (given that you, me, and incog all think macpo and opz are scum). I will continue to campaign to get GGQ lynched, he is the best option for today. However, I'm not an idiot, if it comes down to macpo and protact or macpo and sandroba then of course I'll vote macpo. Everyone should vote GGQ though. 99% of any argument I have ever made against someone is based off of meta. The hyper-aggressiveness is not helping the town, and gives you something to do all game, instead of voicing opinions on anyone else. I don't care if your scum bussing a teammate; those arguments are irrelevant to me. If your actions indicate you might be mafia, I'm going to say so. It's not like I have everyone perfect on my list there (I listed more than 9 people anyways). On January 17 2012 14:41 ~OpZ~ wrote: Foolishness -_- While I respect your post greatly, and agree with more than a few of your reads (BM primarily, as you are right, he is at the helm and should be doing far more to help with direction), but your portion regarding me I feel is incorrect. I usually don't start posting much until I have firm reads, and more information where I can actually back things up. Also, almost every game I'm in with a large number of players I don't even start posting proper til day 3/4. I've already built cases I feel warrant attention, and while you point out sheth pointing out me, this was simply because I called him out for instariding Incog/Mystlord, with the most amazing defense of "Other people were doing it and your only calling me out for it?" But I gives a shit as of right now. fine, read below. On January 17 2012 14:51 L wrote: RE: Foolishness Your post called 1/3rd to 1/2 of the players in the game mafia, depending on how you define 'random inactives'. Slinging shit at nearly everyone in the game isn't what I recall your town play to be like, and its generally EV- as far as positive town play goes. Right now 1/4 of the players are mafia. I listed 11 of which I'm (as well as every other competent townie are) sure are mafia. I'm obviously not perfect, and there are always random inactives that turn out to be mafia. You three are all missing one of the biggest parts of my posts though. That post was not about why I think you three individually are mafia. If I wanted to do that, I'd write up a nice juicy analysis, not just spew out a few sentences about you. That post is about town direction, cause so far this game there has been none. Multiple competent people have all done analysis, and by combining it all and realizing the common elements among all the suspects I provided us with a direction in which to go with. Notice how these competent players have all agreed with me so far and I didn't even throw out names in my post. Incognito even directly said that he doesn't agree with some of my reads. That's cool and all, but he's not stressing it nor writing paragraphs about it. Wanna know why? Cause that's not the point of my post. We have a solid lynch target today, and we have plenty of plenty of leads starting tomorrow. Right now we need to organize town direction. If you don't like one of my suspects that wait until it's actually relevant to argue with me/others about it, cause right now you are just cluttering up the thread even more. At the time I'm writing this, the 3 of you have not voted for Macpo. And by not voting for him you are hurting the town. I'd actually be fine killing GGQ based on what is said about him, but all the competent players this game think Macpo is the better lynch today. Thus we kill Macpo. | ||
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On January 17 2012 15:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Wow BC, what was that about splitting the vote? You say yourself you would support a lynch of macpo however you think Jackal is a higher priority lynch. Great I feel the same way about GGQ. I voted macpo so we could have some consolidation AT YOUR REQUEST and then you go vote Jackal. WTF man, how about some consistency. We don't have enough evidence against Jackal at this point. I'm still defending my position that he's town. We have plenty of better targets anyways. | ||
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On January 17 2012 15:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: @Foolishness, you really didn't respond to my points, you just said "I use meta" and then fail to explain how my actions indicate I'm mafia. You failed to address either of the scenarios I put forth. Oh and your line about being hyper aggressive gives me something to do all game, you fail to factor in that I have been and will be hyper aggressive towards player you think are scum. You may not think that hyper aggression is good for the town (normally I would agree however at the moment I feel it's warranted, hence my behavior) however you can't argue that I'm pushing a scum agenda because my reads largely line up with yours. I haven't seen any of your other reads, all you talk about is GGQ. If you have a post where you talk about your other reads please refer me to it cause I don't see one. Anyways, I'm really the only one who has been suspicious of you, surely we both agree that for the sake of the town we can save this debate for a later point in time. On January 17 2012 15:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I don't know if I made it clear, this was directed at BC's vote he just cast. Since I'm on my itouch I couldn't copy it over to post. If you want my personal read on Jackal I'd have to reread his filter, he hasn't jumped out at me the way others have. Yeah I know, it was more of a response to BC and me affirming with what you said. | ||
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On January 18 2012 12:05 Slardar wrote: To bring up the discussion off the bat for the DOUBLE LYNCH. I am NOT in favor of lynching two high profile players. I.E. BM + BC or BM + Protactinium. If they are surely town, Mafia will might make a move on them tonight, but if we're all so sure to Lynch them, that gives them no reason to make a move. I'd be in favor of lynching only 1 or none based off what happens tonight. If we're going to lynch a high profile player it should be Bill Murray. Though right now I think we got better fish to fry than him. | ||
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Right now I think it's important to figure out who the second lynch candidate will be. I've been sifting through the candidates (all of which I listed here) and I think the best choice is kingjames01. Yes, I do think Bill Murray is suspicious. But I also feel it's too early to be lynching into the elected officials. Many towns have been led astray because they spend the first few days agonizing over and killing the elected officials. Once they realize that they were silly to do so (even if they killed a mafia along the way) the mafia have secured a big lead in the game, and the town struggles to find direction. Let's put it this way. Say that one of BC/BM is mafia. If we let them be and keep lynching into our other red candidates (which I remind you from my post we have a lot of) eventually whichever one of them is mafia will have to put their foot down and interfere. They cannot just stand by and watch us kill their entire mafia family. We already have a good list of people we think are mafia. If we keep lynching mafia, eventually BC/BM will reveal to us whose side they are on. Back to kingjames01. Let me remind you of BC's analysis of him here. I think BC says it best when he says, "Given his extreme distrust of me here and his refusal to vote for me (didnt vote for anyone at all) you would think given the entire days worth of posting he would opt to push specifically at me when he returned, or analyzed me extensively." If you quickly go through kingjames01's filter, you will notice that ~75% of his posts summarize to "BC is mafia!". There is nothing wrong with that, and a few of his posts make some good points about the election. What is wrong is that there is no follow-up. Day 2 was a rather lackluster day for kingjames01. He made a post here and there about BC being mafia, makes a few one-liners, posts his suspicious list, then disappears. As far as we know, he still thinks BC is mafia (nothing wrong with that). Yet he has never voted for him, never pushed to convince others of his thoughts. This is definitely a mafia favored objective. He wants to insinuate doubt in the town about the elected officials, get our minds off of scumhunting and worry about the elections. Furthermore, he never mentions Macpo or GGQ except in passing. Halfway through day 2 he makes a mafia list, and votes for L. Now believe me, as someone who thinks L is mafia I'm all aboard that idea, but he never posts a thorough analysis, and again never pushes to actually get him lynched. Check out his most recent post after night started: On January 18 2012 12:54 kingjames01 wrote: I'm just dropping in to check on the game. I had such a long day and I'm too tired to sit here and read through the posts I missed. I'm actually surprised that the day ended so early. I'll be up in the morning and I'll catch up then. Good job on the Macpo lynch guys! Where is his contribution to the town? He thanks us for a job well done but what has he done to help us find mafia? The beginning of day 2 was a clusterfuck for the town and it seems like he was content with that. He never voiced his own opinion besides giving us his mafia list. While that is a good start, there was never a thorough analysis on anyone, and his vote on L seemed largely out of place when the town discussion was focused on GGQ and Macpo. In summary, kingjames01 put forth an effort to show that BC is mafia, but never had any follow-up. He did not push for his lynch, and sat back while the town flailed around day 2. It should be immediately clear that kingjames01 does not care about the town. kingjames01 should be our second lynch tomorrow. | ||
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##Vote: Bill Murray ##Vote: kingjames01 | ||
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On January 19 2012 14:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So this was a lie, and since no one ever CC'd and we've had no claim today I'd bet mafia has no roleblocker and L posted this in order to spread doubt. Also, I just reviewed L's filter and I'm having problems with lynching BM due to it. L seemed intent on killing BM, like most of the times he calls people out it's BM. Given the suspicion Bill has been under I don't think it would be hard at all for L to have accidentally gotten a lynch rolling on BM. This seems like a really weird chance for scum to take, you've got an elected position who is immune to DT checks, why would you bus them out of everyone on the team. There's a logical disconnect here and I think we should back off BM for a second and everyone should individually go over this link here. Secondly, how the hell is GGQ not up to lynch? I'm sick and tired of an obvious scum skating here. Was just about to say, if someone got roleblocked please speak up now so we know if they have one or not. Normally I would agree with you except it's L, and L will always gun for Bill Murray no matter what. Even so, I think we should step back and think about the Bill Murray lynch before rushing into it. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 15 2012 12:20 flamewheel wrote: Day 1 Election Vote Tally Votes for Bill Murray (11) Second Macpo Toadesstern rgTheSchworz Jackal58 GiygaS Munk-E EchelonTee Nisani201 Mr. Wiggles Ciryandor kitaman27 Votes for kitaman27 (1) evantrees Votes for BloodyC0bbler (11) First Meapak_Ziphh risk.nuke GGQ zeks Lanaia glurio Cyber_Cheese Foolishness supersoft wherebugsgo VisceraEyes sandroba (didn't actually vote in voting thread) Votes for Protactinium (10) Palmar Adam4167 Kurumi Cwave Liquid`Sheth Jayjay54 Jitsu p4NDemik bumatlarge blahz0r Votes for supersoft (1) Bill Murray Votes for L (2) ~OpZ~ Scamp Votes for wherebugsgo (2) Kenpachi Slardar Votes for VisceraEyes (1) L Votes for Meapak_Ziphh (1) BloodyC0bbler BloodyC0bbler is elected as Mayor and Bill Murray is his new Sheriff. There are a lot of non-voters. Chaosquo is excused for this cycle, but to my count that still leaves... kingjames01 BrownBear igabod (PM'd me saying he wants to be replaced; no reason why) Erandorr (PMed me saying he wants to be replaced; not an acceptable reason why) Protactinium rtgICEMAN Maxella Reminder to myself to update this in the future. | ||
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On January 20 2012 13:55 blahz0r wrote: Why did we vote for double lynch if we cannot find a suitable 2nd person to lynch for that day =x Don't worry bro, we got the situation under control | ||
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On January 21 2012 04:46 Protactinium wrote: Oh one more thing. BrownBear would also be a good lynch. BC/Foolishness please just pick someone to lynch and focus on that. Don't waste time arguing with people who won't listen. I hate you Also, supersoft's post here is a really good example of a townie honestly trying to help communication in the thread. Honest person not afraid to contribute a plan? Town. | ||
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On January 21 2012 04:50 p4NDemik wrote: God why do I feel there is a gigantic disconnect in logic between me and the supposedly brilliant players that have gotten us to this point in the game. The fact they keep going to their inner circle of veterans to bolster themselves and not ever speaking to my actual points is killing me. If this means what I think it means it could be incredible but I need town to go with my logic please guys! I feel like I'm putting good logic out and being met with strict rhetoric at every end. Look at the one post I quoted and explain to me why a mafia would make that post; what motivation he would have for doing such a thing. There's disconnect between us as well. I don't think sandroba is a good lynch but BC and Protact like it so I'm going with it. I think Blahz0r is obvious mafia but I'm the only person in the game. We don't agree on everything either but our direction is the same, and that's what is important for a large game like this. | ||
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On January 21 2012 04:55 p4NDemik wrote: Foolishness this is like the 3rd time that one of you guys have gone to that post but it is almost a week old at this point and rapidly losing it's value. I've said it before it looks to me like an intial facade to establish a mafia's town nature early on to cover up for his clearly lazy behavior that he has made recently. This is what kills me. You and BC have gone back to that post and you don't address his current behavior at all. He is rolling over and dying here, if only someone would put the noose in my hand with votes we could lynch him and he still would remain apathetic to the end, he still wouldn't care about yesterday's lynch, and he still wouldn't care enough to defend himself. Day 1 is always more revealing than any other day. Outside of that I don't really know what to say other than we have much better targets to be gunning for. If he's still doing this sort of thing in the next day or two, then yeah I'll definitely be rethinking everything you've said. But to say that supersoft is a better lynch over players like kingjames, evantrees, Opz, Blazh0r, meapak is not something that BC, myself, or Protact are going to agree with for a long while. It goes back to the whole "town direction" thing as well. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:12 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I don't remember reading any Chaosquo posts in quite a while now.... Yes, I wanted to kill him the other day, but he's on the track to get modkilled now. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:15 p4NDemik wrote: I'm going to have to agree to disagree with your view of the game in that respect Proact, Foolish, and BC. I stand firm that my logic is solid and that it can carry weight, and most importantly that a supersoft lynch looks to get a red as well as a sure tell on our mayor which is valuable. Join me town. ##vote Bill Murray and ##vote supersoft I can respect that but at least vote for kingjames instead of Bill Murray lol | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:32 Jackal58 wrote: How are you guys all talking to each other? And what direction are you heading in? the thread? It's about lynching the people with the common themes. Apathetic behavior while exhibiting interest in the town, purposely dodging lynch candidates (who turn up to be mafia), etc. The three of us have come to the same conclusion about most players, and the fact that we've nailed 3 mafia (and mostly independently too) should show that we are on the right track (clearly the votes don't indicate that though). The three of us all realize this, hence it's easy for us to tell what each other is thinking just by reading posts. | ||
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On January 21 2012 05:36 p4NDemik wrote: This is so messed up you three have invested all day into BM and Kingjames. I've been like 95-99% sure on these lynches for hours upon hours and now you guys are randomly switching your vote to sandroba. Whatever trust and goodwill you have been building up, it is quickly evaporating. You need to explain this. Well I'm sorry that we don't want Incog to die when he has caught 3 mafia already. Do ya blame me? | ||
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