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On July 18 2011 23:41 Palmar wrote: someone needs to just copy that exact role I gave amber and give it to him again, forever dog in ptp games. Alas, No post restrictions | ||
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I will make it my mission to hunt my role writer down should it not be fun or interesting | ||
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Care to explain why mafia jackal would reveal his role immediately, knowing ON's real aligned and what will likely happen when ON flips town | ||
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On July 25 2011 18:36 Palmar wrote: He needs to die Syllo, if not now, then at least before lylo, that's why I'm calling for a day-vig hit. No he doesn't; if anything, this makes him look less likely to be mafia than the people pushing for his lynch. | ||
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On July 25 2011 18:41 Palmar wrote: How the hell doesn't he? One thing you should notice when re-reading Jackal's posts is that he was in no hurry to get ON lynched, probably because he already knew how ON would flip. He casually mentions ON possibly being 3rd party, but no vote or pressure or anything. Had he been "in no hurry to get ON lynched", he wouldn't have role claimed at all. He even mentions he thought his role was created by host and thus no one would know. | ||
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On July 25 2011 20:06 Palmar wrote: By the way, if you're convinced that Jackal is town, youngminii needs to be looked at. If you're actually correct, he just shot a townie, and made it very, very likely that another townie would get lynched. This is what I have been thinking, but he is also very impulsive and his posts look fairly genuine so far | ||
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On July 25 2011 11:03 kitaman27 wrote: Is it safe to assume that all roles were assigned separate from alignment? Or do we have another host created rivalry like last game with the batman and joker? On July 25 2011 11:13 kitaman27 wrote: So you're willing to give away kp an hour into the game sandroba? :/ On July 25 2011 11:15 kitaman27 wrote: Jackal/On, why would you role claim when you knew it was likely that there was a rival that wanted you dead? On July 25 2011 11:57 kitaman27 wrote: What makes you think mafia has a roleblocker? Seems pretty unlikely to me. | ||
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On July 25 2011 22:29 Amber[LighT] wrote: Anybody who isn't voting for Jackal is a moron. Anybody who wants to discuss the possibility of him being an SK instead of scum is also a moron. You're just debating Apples and Oranges. He is NOT pro-town. Voting Kitaman gives us nothing. Voting Jackal gets rid of the deathy hallows shit. By the way this has been going the following people are getting FoSed for ignoring Jackals lie, and more importantly going against the LAL policy: -Sandroba -syllogism -Dropbear Don't be stupid. A liar is in our midst. He is our best lynch candidate. DO NOT SPARE HIM FOR A "vigi hit." For all we know scum have a medic. Also if he is scum and he is a mason that makes him really dangerous. Guess who he's going to mason night 1? Probably the Mole. You guys want another mafia getting converted? Is the lie you are referring to the part where his role PM suggests Voldemort isn't town? Because ON left out the part where his role PM says he is on a mission to kill Harry http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10465120 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10464768 What is the motivation for either lie? Why is deconduo saying there's no collaboration ("as far as he knows"; word games?) when there obviously is, unless they were both lying and ON's flip was faked | ||
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On July 25 2011 22:36 Palmar wrote: What the hell syllo, is your theory now that deconduo is bastard modding? Jackal posted his role PM and then ON stated his role PM is almost identical. Then we saw ON's flip, so if it's not fake that pretty much confirms both of the players have almost identical roles. That is collaboration or there is a role that can send people fake roles or something absurd. | ||
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All roles were made by players. Myself and Eiii added flavour to some. We changed the name of one role. Apart from minor balance changes, all roles are pretty much the same as they were sent to us | ||
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On July 25 2011 23:25 Tackster wrote: hence they just duplicated a role rather than modified an existing one Right, that makes sense | ||
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On July 25 2011 23:28 Tackster wrote: Well in that case I think the matter should be closed. Syllo while we're chatting can you give me your opinions on my FoSes? My vote is already on Kita so not going to elaborate on that again. YM's actions make perfect sense for mafia as I already noted earlier, but I'm not quite seeing the same when I look at his post history. Heist's post history is fluff and him pushing for jackal lynch, which is something consider a mafia objective. However once again the post explaining his logic doesn't appear scummy, despite the logic being flawed. Kita is still currently my pick out of the three. | ||
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On July 26 2011 00:21 Jackal58 wrote: If you guys don't see that for what it was you're blind. That was no Vig shot. That was scum shooting, not town. Unless the idea was to somehow make your lynch more likely, that doesn't make sense to me. YM was a suspect and his role wasn't that powerful considering he already used one of his one shot abilities | ||
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On July 26 2011 00:23 Tackster wrote: ^ | | | THIS p.s. Why syllogism? I'd probably have picked tautology... Hey, no need to make fun of my English. It's a bad habit when writing online and in a hurry | ||
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On July 26 2011 01:44 chaos13 wrote: lmao. So that obviously means that Tack killed YM. But why? That just doesn't make sense to me. If they wanted him dead it probably would have been easy for the mafia to push for a lynch on him. He had to use his ability today as his role changes daily | ||
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On July 26 2011 01:49 sandroba wrote: Man, either trackester really didn't think things through or super is also mafia. The result of him using his day kill should be obvious, and supersoft not inta-killing him after he got framed really makes me wonder. However he's a DT so let's keep him around a bit longer. They would have never sacrified Tackster like that and Dropbear would have had to lie about supersoft's role as well then | ||
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On July 26 2011 01:57 sandroba wrote: Not really. Assuming DB is town, which I think he is, they couldn't be certain that he would reveal who got the Tim role. supersoft was basically cornered into shooting whoever shot YM, to prove he wasn't lying. Maybe they indeed did not think things through, but a more plausible explanation is that they are both mafia. It's not certain, but it explains things better than "mafia is dumb". It's worth keeping him around for DT checks anyway. If he's not mafia he's going to get shot eventually or confirm half the town. Perhaps Tackster didn't think the role name would be displayed like that and thus the real Tim Roth wouldn't realize to do that. Tackster's role is much better for mafia than Supersoft's; just letting supersoft die would be by far the better option. Tackster is also a veteran while supersoft is a newer player. | ||
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Supersoft: This action will blow your cover and this will cause your alignment and role abilities to be revealed to the mafia Dropbear: His kill causes his alignment and role abilities to be PMd to everyone of the opposite alignment to him | ||
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On July 26 2011 02:12 chaos13 wrote: lol did you just give yourself away as mafia? "Hm, they said this but decon hasn't PM'ed it to me or my team yet." Before I go ahead and lynch your scummy neck please explain to me if I'm seeing things right here. Unless you suspect Deconduo changed Supersoft's role description due to his alignment, one of them is lying. It's possible, but I don't see any reason to do that | ||
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On July 26 2011 00:39 DropBear wrote: Ok I may as well cop the penalty. Mafia now knows who shot youngminii and all his abilities so I have to come out and save him now. I made the Tim Roth role. Supersoft is Tim Roth. He only gets one kill. His kill causes his alignment and role abilities to be PMd to everyone of the opposite alignment to him. I didn't get that PM so supersoft is now 100% confirmed to be town. His other ability is an alignment check, which activates if you get into a 3 each quote convo with him i.e. you post, he quotes, you quote the quote until there is 3 each. I would suggest forcing people to quote him. Not everyone at once though as it would shit up the thread something shocking. I don't understand your thinking here. Why, at the time of the post, did you presume mafia shot YM and then go on to say you've to come out and save "him"? | ||
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On July 26 2011 04:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I suggest no one quotes supersoft and no one votes for kurumi. Based on how Kurumi is playing, his power seems to require votes instead of fistbumps like palmar from last ptp. Supersoft's power we are told operates via quote levels. how about we don't give two people access to their powers? How about we kill jackal or, each player with an item asks if they can destroy it (as well harry breaks the wand, gets rid of the stone and only keeps the cloak in the books). Letting people run loose with powers when we have no actual confirmed alignment of them is just a bad move. Limit people from acting until they are verified. Supersoft just killed mafia and another person confirmed his role. Unless you think this is some absurd gambit by mafia and they are all 3 (supersoft,dropbear,tackster) red, how can you possibly argue against supersoft using his alignment checks? Is this some posting restriction because that makes little sense | ||
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On July 26 2011 04:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Super soft is likely not red as he killed a red, you are correct. That does not exclude him from being third party however. Also note, drop bear claimed the role of what tim roth was before super soft came forward. IT forced him forward as he was forced out in the open. Based on how the role was used we can extrapolate that dropbear and supersoft are most likely not of the same alignment (unless town, but then dropbears ability must have been total shit to warrant activating his penalty). As supersoft was forced to use his role he might be red, but more than likely he is third party or town. We gained no information on drop bear other than he was willing to risk a penalty for outing SS. This doesn't give any information upon his role. Until such a time as any of them have confirmed their innocence I would prefer to keep as many people as possible from using their abilities. Do we seriously need another day vig or the like going rampant without input from anyone? According to the alleged role description, Supersoft's role and identity would have been sent to the whole mafia team if he had been behind the initial YM hit. "Forcing him to come forward" makes perfect sense as town gains more information, supersoft becomes a semiconfirmed townie (read the role) and Dropbear willing to the take penalty makes him look very townish. It turns out he wasn't behind the hit, but that's only because there was another bizarre role in the game. There's a small chance that supersoft is a third party, but even then his role is what he claims as Dropbear confirmed it. | ||
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On July 26 2011 04:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ...... Are you dense? I as red have killed my own members before. It builds credibility. So yes we know he killed a mafia, after someone said "i made his role and its this" not before. The person who did this made the claim to put FoS on SS. So if they were both red, DB wouldn't have said a thing. If SS is red and called out, he has to respond or get lynched. Using information caused from a forced from a situation where you live or die does not confirm the player. It may confirm the role, but not the player. Role does not equal alignment. Had SS killed trackster before being called out I would more likely buy he is town, had DB not thought he instantly had to out SS there are enough variables that you want to not risk activating powers of players you cannot confirm at this point. So you are admitting the role is likely confirmed. What exactly will mafia/third party supersoft do with his alignment checking role that town is forcing him to use? At worst we will be mislead, but we are always free to ignore his checks. At best he gives us red today. There's no risk at all unless it's a gambit and they are ALL red. | ||
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On July 26 2011 06:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Thats because you guys are straight up not thinking. I am being logical, concise, and most importantly I am thinking on a level beyond "herp derp we got a blue". If I was red, why would I argue against his checks? Why would I throw myself into the fire of this nonsense and try to fix an obvious error in town judgement. Use your damn heads. Take a step back from the general "hes an alignment dt" and seriously think of motivations behind all sides for the move, how it benefits each side, which side benefits the most from all perspectives, etc... Town is almost always at the bottom of the list. His checks will hurt us more than help us at this point in time. No, you are being intentional obtuse; no one ever argued that we should trust his checks until there's further confirmation of his alignment. You kept changing your argument over and over again and now you are finally making some sense. You are just one of those players who can never admit to being wrong. | ||
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On July 26 2011 07:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Really? If I am mafia or sk it would be a perfect bet for them. 1 random player to take down someone almost everyone in the game would mistrust or want dead if not on their team. How isn't that a good bet. Don't take a solid stance off faulty logic if you're afraid of the backlash. Because the alignment of someone else is never confirmed until they are lynched while I know my alignment? Even if, hypothetically, there's a 10% chance of you not flipping red, it's a bad bet. It's much better to just lynch you without taking it. | ||
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##vote Jackal58 | ||
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Vote jackal58 | ||
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nothing is making sense unless you are a miller, played really bad scum game or there's a day framer | ||
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On July 27 2011 07:16 kitaman27 wrote: When its 14-4 a vote change 5 minutes from the lynch isn't going to change things. There is no incentive to stay on BC really. If anything, it just allows their name to be removed from the list. If they thought he was innocent they wouldn't have voted for him and then switched off when his check came red. Right, because antagonizing most the town for no reason is clearly so pro-town. It makes more sense as town as he was simply arguing for something he believes in. It's very townie behaviour. Further, none of the people who switched from BC had actually voted for him until the check came back red; the natural reaction was to switch to BC after the check, but after thinking about it just didn't make sense for this to be his scum play. | ||
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Dropbear what is your penalty? Regardless, I think chaos13,redff,palmar,lanaia are good information role targets tonight. The lurking newer players are fine as well, but they all look the same to me so far. Tempted to say Foolishness can't be town aligned due to balance reasons after seeing the flips so far, but I guess it's possible the alignments were truly RNGed and it's such a lame argument to make | ||
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On July 27 2011 21:35 Curu wrote: Huh syllo you know Foolishness's role? Balance as in a few veterans have already flipped town and I've town reads on a few more. This obviously doesn't mean anything if alignments are completely RNGed | ||
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This obviously isn't just flavour | ||
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On July 28 2011 06:39 redFF wrote: why can't i be a mafia hit? Not 1337 enough? Regardless gg all, my role would have been difficult to play but i was going to do something very clever until i died. GL town! Well a few people suspected you and your role wasn't that amazing, so if whoever wrote is mafia, he would have argued against it | ||
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On July 28 2011 06:40 Palmar wrote: When you stop posting obvious shit syllo, can you answer me? Balance reasons, he has been lurking so far and didn't bother committing into any of the lynches day 1. After the jackal incident I'm having a tough time giving people credit for actually being too busy to play. He also didn't die n1 which is always suspicious for a great player like him. Of course if he shows up today and actually starts playing, I'll re-evaluate that position. | ||
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On July 28 2011 09:15 Palmar wrote: yes, I read it very well, and I read it again, and again. Wasn't it nice, going from telling us BC was not town-aligned (I love how you always remember to not say 3rd party or scum, just simple not-town) to telling us we're idiots for lynching him? You are reading selectively and twisting words, which seems to be the norm for your scum play. I never said I thought BC wasn't town aligned; please quote me and after the heated discussion was over I stated I can't see that being his scum play. BC was going to get lynched until a few of us started aggressively push for Jackal | ||
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Sure, this is a waste of time though so don't send in your check unless there are other morons like Palmar | ||
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On July 28 2011 09:34 Palmar wrote: or he was hoping the check would not get used on him. he was red, not voting on a red report day 1 makes no sense. You agreed with me on that in RTM, but not now. This isn't RTM; the setup likely has way more millers to balance out the arbitrary number of DTs/information roles. In RTM there were no red results by real DTs and I don't think I was even around when VE made his fake claim. I would have voted for Drazerk though as his play was scummy, unlike BCs. | ||
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