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On July 18 2011 22:04 CreamyButter wrote:
@youngminii:
Wasn't the original zodiac list idea from someone named Ace? w/e
@Curu: I apologize for nothing. I wrote a full answer to your question assuming that you were trying to spark discussion, which is a good premise. I am completely, utterly convinced that I have not said anything at all that would legitimately mark me as scummy, and I discount all arguments otherwise as wrong.
I would like to cast some doubt on Palmar:
Sticking to one random outspoken person and repeatedly attacking him with basic arguments benefits scum. It draws attention away from real scum and gives the scum someone easy to bandwagon against. He basically just waited for someone vaguely controversial to pop up (a newb in his first game ever, apologizing for being a newb, which was bound to happen. Ver's first day 1 argument in his guide says that calling yourself a noob is an obvious scum tell, so who could disagree with that?) and then latched onto it. He's in a very cozy scum situation right now.
Hey CB do you really find Palmar the most scummy right now?
Stop FoSing everyone for a bit and let's lay on the pressure yaya? Well keep FoSing but identify who you think is most scummy out of your lists.
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you seem to be quoting ver's guide a lot CB, which is fine.
But if you read it, why didn't you make damn sure that you weren't throwing around the scumtells in that guide? Like... are you trying to play against your team as town? If you knew it was going to make you a suspect, why do it? Establishing your innocence is very, very important as town.
By the way, I didn't like the exchange between mig and ym.
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I'm falling into my PM game tendency of not posting my thoughts in the thread and rather letting other people do it for me. I'll have to echo Palmar on CB, but he does look like someone who is trying to contribute and can be thoughtful. Moreover, if he isn't town aligned, his posts read more like Insane Inmate than someone who has help (though "I guess I'll start accusing people" is pretty awful and could be interpreted as "my team told me to do this"). I'd rather consider him a decent vigi target as lynching insane inmates doesn't provide much in way of voting patterns.
Not liking Pyo's posts thus far, but attributing that to disagreeing with his logic/cases
Supersoft on the other hand has been completely worthless and his few posts have been scummy/anti-town. He isn't entirely new to the game, so I'm not going to let that excuse fly.
##vote Supersoft
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CB You should've read Ace's scum manifesto ... I am around 120km from Warsaw , run already cowards !
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On July 18 2011 16:05 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 12:33 Coagulation wrote:
Heres the list of newbs and vets in the game.
1. snotboogie Newb
2. Deconduo Vet
3. Kurumi NEWB LOL
4. curu Newb
5. RebirthofLegend Vet
6. Amber[LighT] Vet
7. hiro protagonist Newb
8. nisani201 Newb
9. Pyo Newb
10.Drazerk Newb
11. supersoft Newb
12. Jackal58 LOL
13. Mr. Wiggles Vet
14. prplhz Newb
15. mig Newb
16. notasmurf Newb
17. kenpachi LOL
18. Syllogism Newb
19. Palmar Newb
20. Sevryn Newb
21. ghrur Vet
22. Varysthespider Newb
23. node Vet
24, coagulation Vet
25. kavdragon Vet
26. Lucidity Newb
27. ketomai Newb
28. creamybutter Newb
29. redff Vet
30. youngminii Vet
31. liquid`nazgul Newb
32. Shraft Newb
33. cjrninja Newb
34. visceraeyes Newb
35. theawesomeall Newb
36. eternalmisfit Newb
37. zona Vet
38. gtrsrs Newb
39. ribboo Newb
40. sinani206 Newb
This list was pointless and all it served to do was belittle and intimidate the newer players from posting. To that end, what is your agenda? The only objective this post served was to discourage newer players from posting which helps mafia force sheeping, which in a game this size is a considerable problem. To this end, I am voting for you. ##Vote Coagulation
On July 18 2011 20:56 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Ok this is what happens:
Mig asks for a list, knowing that giving lists is a way for mafia to blend in and that lists are generally a scum tell.
Coag replies
Coag gets fossed and bandwagoned
mig dissapears...
People that are accusing Coag are accusing the wrong guy i think.
As a new player I found this list neither belittling nor intimidating, merely helpful for us newbs to get around in this game. What I think you (RoL) are trying to do here is befriend the newbs so you can pick off the good players, giving you free reign of the game as mafia.
I don't blame Mig because I found this list very helpful.
What needs to be looked closer at is the bandwagon #Coagulation votes. They are either scum or stupid townies. We need neither.
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On July 18 2011 22:01 Mig wrote:
But it should be common sense that it is more likely for mafia to leak anything than it is for townies to leak anything. The mafia has 500x the amount of information to hide. Leaking information isn't what really kills towns. It is poor players auto trusting the wrong people and getting manipulated. But I am not exactly worried about that so I am going to continue to use pms to try and figure out who the mafia are.
If a PM circle of confirmed townies forms scum is screwed in the worst possible way. And it doesn't take many to do it. I believe it was XXXVII that LSB, Coagulation and myself started a circle that eventual connected two other groups of two and we destroyed scum. However I just recently finished a PM game elsewhere in which I was scum. By day 2 I had every blue role in the game. redFF was in that game with me as a team mate. You can ask him how that worked out for town.
PM games can indeed destroy scum. And I've found scum don't particularly like PM games. It forces more activity on them than they would like. But it only takes one town derp in PM land to destroy town. I believe that is what YM is getting at.
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jackal makes sense on day 1 so he's probably scum.
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On July 18 2011 22:20 Palmar wrote:
jackal makes sense on day 1 so he's probably scum.
I always make sense. I just never know who else is.
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ok so
Coagulation is known for posting many one-liner posts that are ridiculously offensive and to the point. He usually catches a lot of scum but people ignore his posts because of their one lined nature. I don't know why he posted a list but I can't see an entire list like that being scummy. The type of list I dislike are the 'zodiac lists' that have a few vets and a wonky plan surrounding the list.
Now the people that are trying to get rid of Coag are, as Nazgul said, newbie town or scum trying to snipe him for the aforementioned reason.
RoL and Kurumi are not newbie town. Going by this logic, they may be trying to snipe Coag.
So far RoL's only (of value) post has been the one where he votes Coag. Kurumi has been going Chezinu style only with TF2 references. His vote for Coag was a pure bandwagon vote imo.
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also nazgul edited his post WHAT WILL YOU DO MR GAME HOST
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don't admins have the unique ability to see someone's entire posting history
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Yea, youngminii is right about PM's.
Townies are the one who should be wary of pms without info because they are the ones in the dark. If they try to probe mafia, it can cost them if the recipient gets suspicious. If they try to establish a circle of connections without any information, they can be misled very easily. PM's should be used with someone who you have analyzed and are sure is a townie so that you can collaborate with them. They should not be used to probe for mafia as it seems Mig is trying.
On the otherhand, Mafia don't have anything to lose by pm'ing. They know who their enemies are (everyone but them), so they can only gather either nothing or good information by initiating a PM.
As for who to lynch:
Right now I'm feeling supersoft. He bandwagoned a pretty bad vote and didn't give much analysis. From a previous game, he played similarly as mafia. He just pretty much finds the easiest vote that doesn't affect mafia and then tries to stay out of the way and lurk/posts generic agreements and contentless posts. He only starts posting significantly when he defends himself and even then sticks to generic statements. I find his lack of contributions coupled with the bandwagon vote to be suspicious.
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Australian winky-wonka says I am Red Spy ... I unvoted , at first it looked scummy as hell but now I think it is only a minor scumtell
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On July 18 2011 22:26 youngminii wrote:
also nazgul edited his post WHAT WILL YOU DO MR GAME HOST
I'll give him mod powers so that he can see I edited in "(RoL)"!
Sorry guys force of habit I'll try to pay more attention to it.
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For the new players, editing of posts is not allowed in mafia games.
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On July 18 2011 22:15 syllogism wrote:
I'm falling into my PM game tendency of not posting my thoughts in the thread and rather letting other people do it for me. I'll have to echo Palmar on CB, but he does look like someone who is trying to contribute and can be thoughtful. Moreover, if he isn't town aligned, his posts read more like Insane Inmate than someone who has help (though "I guess I'll start accusing people" is pretty awful and could be interpreted as "my team told me to do this"). I'd rather consider him a decent vigi target as lynching insane inmates doesn't provide much in way of voting patterns.
Not liking Pyo's posts thus far, but attributing that to disagreeing with his logic/cases
Supersoft on the other hand has been completely worthless and his few posts have been scummy/anti-town. He isn't entirely new to the game, so I'm not going to let that excuse fly.
##vote Supersoft
yoep, it's not my first game, but my first game with PMs. Like you said there is a tendency for not posting in the thread and writing PMs instead. Same thing for me.
My VT claim was a joke btw. I wanted to point out that I know that I am blindly bandwagoning and thought it was funny if I would connect it with the task of the VTs to lynch "moblike style" as described in the frontpost.
All the people that go for this little statement now, just are too lazy to really read the thread and make a real accusation.
For me it's scummy if people are connected with each other on the first day. This connection may be a support in an accusation or defending the other person. Usually townies don't trusts anybody at the first day. I have to make a plan of people that are around here and I try to figure out connections between them. That will be my task for the first day. brb
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On July 18 2011 22:42 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 22:15 syllogism wrote:
I'm falling into my PM game tendency of not posting my thoughts in the thread and rather letting other people do it for me. I'll have to echo Palmar on CB, but he does look like someone who is trying to contribute and can be thoughtful. Moreover, if he isn't town aligned, his posts read more like Insane Inmate than someone who has help (though "I guess I'll start accusing people" is pretty awful and could be interpreted as "my team told me to do this"). I'd rather consider him a decent vigi target as lynching insane inmates doesn't provide much in way of voting patterns.
Not liking Pyo's posts thus far, but attributing that to disagreeing with his logic/cases
Supersoft on the other hand has been completely worthless and his few posts have been scummy/anti-town. He isn't entirely new to the game, so I'm not going to let that excuse fly.
##vote Supersoft yoep, it's not my first game, but my first game with PMs. Like you said there is a tendency for not posting in the thread and writing PMs instead. Same thing for me. My VT claim was a joke btw. I wanted to point out that I know that I am blindly bandwagoning and thought it was funny if I would connect it with the task of the VTs to lynch "moblike style" as described in the frontpost. All the people that go for this little statement now, just are too lazy to really read the thread and make a real accusation. For me it's scummy if people are connected with each other on the first day. This connection may be a support in an accusation or defending the other person. Usually townies don't trusts anybody at the first day. I have to make a plan of people that are around here and I try to figure out connections between them. That will be my task for the first day. brb
$20 it's me he finds!
Where was all this content before you got pressured? Hmm? Before that you joke around with a VT claim ignoring the posts saying it was harmful for Town?
Who have you been in PM contact with? No need to tell us what's in it, just some names that can confirm you have been doing something constructive like you are claiming.
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On July 18 2011 22:34 ketomai wrote:
Yea, youngminii is right about PM's.
Townies are the one who should be wary of pms without info because they are the ones in the dark. If they try to probe mafia, it can cost them if the recipient gets suspicious. If they try to establish a circle of connections without any information, they can be misled very easily. PM's should be used with someone who you have analyzed and are sure is a townie so that you can collaborate with them. They should not be used to probe for mafia as it seems Mig is trying.
On the otherhand, Mafia don't have anything to lose by pm'ing. They know who their enemies are (everyone but them), so they can only gather either nothing or good information by initiating a PM.
As for who to lynch:
Right now I'm feeling supersoft. He bandwagoned a pretty bad vote and didn't give much analysis. From a previous game, he played similarly as mafia. He just pretty much finds the easiest vote that doesn't affect mafia and then tries to stay out of the way and lurk/posts generic agreements and contentless posts. He only starts posting significantly when he defends himself and even then sticks to generic statements. I find his lack of contributions coupled with the bandwagon vote to be suspicious.
that is not exactly correct. If I am accused as scum, I try to find a better target that aren't scum. On the other hand, as town I make some generic statements because I have no Idea who to accuse at the beginning of a large game like this.
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On July 18 2011 22:47 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 22:42 supersoft wrote:On July 18 2011 22:15 syllogism wrote:
I'm falling into my PM game tendency of not posting my thoughts in the thread and rather letting other people do it for me. I'll have to echo Palmar on CB, but he does look like someone who is trying to contribute and can be thoughtful. Moreover, if he isn't town aligned, his posts read more like Insane Inmate than someone who has help (though "I guess I'll start accusing people" is pretty awful and could be interpreted as "my team told me to do this"). I'd rather consider him a decent vigi target as lynching insane inmates doesn't provide much in way of voting patterns.
Not liking Pyo's posts thus far, but attributing that to disagreeing with his logic/cases
Supersoft on the other hand has been completely worthless and his few posts have been scummy/anti-town. He isn't entirely new to the game, so I'm not going to let that excuse fly.
##vote Supersoft yoep, it's not my first game, but my first game with PMs. Like you said there is a tendency for not posting in the thread and writing PMs instead. Same thing for me. My VT claim was a joke btw. I wanted to point out that I know that I am blindly bandwagoning and thought it was funny if I would connect it with the task of the VTs to lynch "moblike style" as described in the frontpost. All the people that go for this little statement now, just are too lazy to really read the thread and make a real accusation. For me it's scummy if people are connected with each other on the first day. This connection may be a support in an accusation or defending the other person. Usually townies don't trusts anybody at the first day. I have to make a plan of people that are around here and I try to figure out connections between them. That will be my task for the first day. brb $20 it's me he finds! Where was all this content before you got pressured? Hmm? Before that you joke around with a VT claim ignoring the posts saying it was harmful for Town? Who have you been in PM contact with? No need to tell us what's in it, just some names that can confirm you have been doing something constructive like you are claiming.
you and mig.
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On July 18 2011 22:42 supersoft wrote:
My VT claim was a joke btw. I wanted to point out that I know that I am blindly bandwagoning and thought it was funny if I would connect it with the task of the VTs to lynch "moblike style" as described in the frontpost.
All the people that go for this little statement now, just are too lazy to really read the thread and make a real accusation.
On July 18 2011 17:16 supersoft wrote:
hi guys, I am Blackgate Criminal. I was told to lynch everyone of the Asylums employees as well as batman moblike style. Therefor:
##VOTE Coagulation
Rol and Kurumi didn't influence me there. I already decided to vote him when I read his post earlier: He's just giving us this list without any further comment. Pressurevote!
not looking good
you better come back with a really good defense and not just "nah i was joking if you lynch me for that you are scum"
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