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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 04 2011 09:10 GMT
#103
/in if room
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 05 2011 10:22 GMT
#190
I agree with sandroba's plan. The best thing about sandroba's plan is that it eliminates mafia's kp with their nukes while allowing town to still take advantage of their nuke kp. Anyone who nukes without the town agreeing on it is lynched which prevents mafia from killing someone then being like eh I thought they were scummy. But the town can still vote and use its kp.

Along with that how do we usually get most of our information in mafia games? Lynch results. Sandroba's plan forces everyone to vote twice for every day cycle. This will give us a huge amount of additional information compared to a normal game.

People should get over wanting to be the lone ranger trying to single handedly pick out and eliminate the scum team. Realize we need to work as a team, if you think someone is especially scummy then put the effort in to write up a case and argue against them.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 05 2011 10:24 GMT
#191
Palmar your argument is useless and 95% spam. I am sure repeating don't be an idiot 20 times will prevent people from just randomly using their nukes terribly.

We are playing a game where every person is a Vig the town badly needs structure. Everyone trying to play their own game just leads to a blood bath.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 05 2011 10:27 GMT
#192
Seriously just imagine a normal game where town was able to lynch twice a day. It would be overwhelmingly town favored. The only real problem I see with sandroba's plan is people just going nuts and nuking everyone if they are voted for. But that same issue is going to come up with regular lynches anyway.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 05 2011 10:50 GMT
#197
So just to repeat the benefits of sandroba's plan

1) Mafia nuke kp is completely eliminated except for trying to influence the vote.

2) We get a massive amount of extra information. We really don't learn much by having 10 different people all trying to snipe the mafia by themselves. This way it forces people to actually argue and discuss who the scum are and with the additional voting we will be able to see more clear patterns and connections between people to find the scum.

3) Mafia wants townies to play by their emotions and to just go nuts and shoot each other anytime there is an argument or kill the first person who accuses them of being scum. This way the town kp is used with structure to eliminate who the town collectively feels is the most scummy player everyday. It forces the town to work together as a team instead of having 30 people all playing by themselves.

And honestly people just imagine any normal game where the town could hold 2 separate lynches a day for every 1 night. It would be incredibly strong for the town. Much much stronger than having a bunch of vigs running around doing whatever they each think is best.

Also as soon as I can I am going to vote palmar. Your reasoning against sandroba's plan is incredibly bad and filled with spam. The plan does not take away control from townies it takes control from the mafia. We severely reduce their kp as long as they aren't completely influencing the votes.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 05 2011 11:13 GMT
#207
Heist did you read sandroba's plan? We lynch people who fire their nukes on their own. We don't nuke them.

And seriously people it doesn't matter how many nukes mafia has. Mafia could have 5000 nukes but if they fire any of them they get lynched. This is why the mafia's kp is crippled. So who cares if they claim to have 3 or 0 or don't use them. It just doesn't really matter as long as we kill anyone who fires without the town voting on it.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 05 2011 11:17 GMT
#210
I mean lets say worst case scenario the top 10 people are all town or something so no mafia ever had their nukes used. How exactly would that be different from everyone getting to use their nukes at their own discretion? Obviously mafia are never going to use their nukes in a pro town way regardless so at least this we are actually working together and putting some direction behind our hits instead of everyone randomly firing.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 05 2011 11:19 GMT
#214
On July 05 2011 20:17 heist wrote:
If we are having 2 lynches, one by nuke and one standard per day, and if all renegade nukers are to be lynched... then thats pretty much nuking any renegade nukers. It doesn't really matter which of the two you nuke, the renegade nuker or the top vote from town. It's the same thing since the renegade nuker will be forced onto a lynch spot.



We can either follow sandroba's plan and nuke 1 person a day. Or everyone can play by their own discretion and nuke whenever they want. Which way do you think is going to lead to more people nuked?

Sandroba's plan will make it less likely that we reach the radiation limit not make it more likely.

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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 05 2011 11:22 GMT
#218
Palmar I pray that you actually have no nukes. Do you honestly think you are more likely to hit scum working completely by yourself than with the town working together?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 05 2011 11:35 GMT
#224
Palmar yes it would be unfortunate if there were some great scum hunter who was shitty at arguing and couldn't get his point across but at the same time we are preventing all the people who are shitty scum hunters from firing randomly into the town.

You are basically arguing it is better for everyone to work alone instead of as a team, which cannot possibly be correct.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 05 2011 19:09 GMT
#358
##Dunkirk Operation

This shouldn't even be debated really. Townies get extra lives even from nukes. And if we use sandroba's plan then it really doesn't matter that much how many nukes mafia has.

Also I would prefer we not double lynch today since most day 1 lynches are wrong anyway. But starting day 2 I fully support the sandroba/gm plan with the 40% voters needed.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 05 2011 22:57 GMT
#387
Can we lynch palmar yet?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 05 2011 22:59 GMT
#388
On July 06 2011 07:51 Palmar wrote:
I think Kurumi's scum.

He's being nice, that's a scumtell for him.


I do agree with this tho.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 06 2011 06:05 GMT
#457
I am going to vote palmar and give my reasons as soon as I get home, within next couple hours. On phone so hard to type a long message atm.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 06 2011 07:49 GMT
#471
Are you sure the nuke isn't going to land palmar?

Can any hosts clarify for us?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 06 2011 09:36 GMT
#499
I want to find out whether matza's nuke has actually been fired or not. If it hasn't I would lynch him just to keep it from firing. If it has then I want to lynch palmar, and then kill matza tomorrow.

I agree with pretty much everything sandroba said, palmar's play has been ridiculously scummy. His reasoning against sandroba's pro town plan was horrible and filled with spam. He wrote up a plan which basically just said shoot scum and don't play stupid. It was pure useless spam made to look pro town.

So I am going to vote for palmar for now unless I find out that matza's nuke has not been launched. And either way I want both players dead by the end of tomorrow.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 06 2011 10:30 GMT
#516
I normally disagree with policy lynches but in this case policy lynch is an absolute must because like draz says it prevents mafia from using their kp. So kill matz and kill palmar. I don't have a huge preference either way for the order but both should die.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 06 2011 19:22 GMT
#886
Hey palmar this is why you don't trust the town to not be a bunch of idiots. If you give everyone a gun it turns them into retards. I just hope there is enough townies left after all these land for us to try and salvage this clusterfuck.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 06 2011 20:16 GMT
#999
I seriously hate everyone. Especially sinani/sandroba/gm/palmar.

You know a game is completely screwed when fucking kurumi is the voice of reason.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
July 06 2011 20:18 GMT
#1003
On July 07 2011 05:17 GMarshal wrote:
I didn't nuke anyone. I said "kill everyone who nukes" then sandroba shot a nuke at me.

What do you want from me?


But you plan on nuking some random lurker yes?
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