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United States22154 Posts
On July 06 2011 21:11 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 18:09 Palmar wrote:On July 06 2011 17:54 syllogism wrote:
I'm not going to lynch someone I think is town, especially if the nuke didn't actually get launched So, first you call me out for not wanting to commit to a plan that I see flawed, but then as soon as the time comes to act on it, you pull out yourself? What's the point of the entire argument and creating policies if we're not going to follow them? We settled on a policy, I grudgingly did so and now people want me lynched for not instantly praising the policy, that might actually work in the conspirator's favor. Yes, I don't want to use a vote-nuke tomorrow either. We can do it later in the game, but Sandroba's eagerness to use nukes rubs me the wrong way. But we settled on it, if we don't lynch Mataza we've basically declared the policy worthless. The brilliant part of this is that you might even know Mataza is town, and thus when this is over, you reluctantly lynch him, but gain fuckton of town credit for "trying to stop a lynch on an innocent". I'm not going to buy this. We're lynching Mataza, and if he flips town, I'm not giving you any town credit for trying to stop it. As far as I'm concerned you're scum. I find your willingness to break policies very anti-town, it's actually worse than arguing against them, because you're basically tearing them apart at your own wish. Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 18:26 GMarshal wrote:
Mataza nuked. Mataza dies.
Alignment is irrelevant, this is a policy lynch, in fact, if the nuke phase isn't over I request permission to counternuke so that our lynch can actually generate information. Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 17:52 Palmar wrote:On July 06 2011 17:47 syllogism wrote:
I'm pretty sure Mataza is town. This is the weakness of the plan; dumb townies. I still think he needs to be hanged, if we don't do it we might see scum that are not under suspicion at current do the same, and then just hide behind their good reputation. That's why it's a policy, we need to enforce it. I don´t have the time to read the last 3 pages, but i am sick of the word policy already. I am sorry for interrupting your World at Conference Mafia, but I wanted play WAW Mafia 2. This is supposed to be awesome, not boring. I stand with my missile and I did fire a missile, I guarantee that. What´s on it you will see. Also if there is a conspirator he will be unable to nuke someone, logically. His aim is to get others nuking, not to do all the work himself. Just like Mafia are usually a minority on who to lynch. I regret nothing. Screw policies.
Then thats your way of playing. I'm playing to win.A nuke scorched wasteland does not bring me any closer to winning, so I'm not going to allow you or anyone to encourage one.
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What the hell is awesome about ruining everything for everybody? Either you're a douchebag or you're a terrorist with no place in this game or in any game. In the latter case, get the fuck out. If you don't want/have time to read the game then you shouldn't be in it anyway. I hope you get modkilled so we save a lynch.
If there is any undiclosed reason for your lunacy that you can't reveal, then it better be really good.
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United States22154 Posts
On July 06 2011 21:15 prplhz wrote:
What the hell is awesome about ruining everything for everybody? Either you're a douchebag or you're a terrorist with no place in this game or in any game. In the latter case, get the fuck out. If you don't want/have time to read the game then you shouldn't be in it anyway. I hope you get modkilled so we save a lynch.
If there is any undiclosed reason for your lunacy that you can't reveal, then it better be really good.
Calm down man, he just fired a nuke for "fun". No need to rage, we just deal with it as we decided.
Play nice, no need to rage and create bad feelings.
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Finland5948 Posts
Mataza: It's day 1 in a caller game. I wouldn't be surprised if there are stealth nukers, compulsive nukers or campaigns that force nukes, or whatever. A bit too early to call it boring.
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this is a bit late but
MISSILE LAUNCH DETECTED![[image loading]](http://gnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Nuclear-Launch-Detected.jpg)
Mataza's missile will hit sandroba at 04:00 CST.
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United States22154 Posts
well, that settles that.
See you in hell Mataza.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On July 06 2011 21:49 Caller wrote:this is a bit late but MISSILE LAUNCH DETECTED
Mataza's missile will hit sandroba at 04:00 CST.
Caller is a wizard and so only arrives when he is needed.
No body retaliate with nukes, We're in a bad enough situation as it is and we cannot have Nukes flying everywhere. Keep your heads cool and we lynch Mataza then move onto other players.
Doing this will, Reinforce the policy preventing any scum / conspirators from nuking for the rest of the game ( Hopefully ), Allow us an extended period to scum hunt and re-evaluate our stances on the scummy players.
Lets take the best of this bad situation, If Mataza flips scum we will gain a lot of information, If he flips Conspirator, Brilliant work the policy works and If he flips town remember Sylo as he has been trying to buy a lot of town points with this.
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Jesus christ.
The Mataza lynch will be too easy give us nothing unless Mataza, contrary to my expectations, will turn out to be scum. If nuke phase is not over I suggest we all agree to get Mataza nuked to hell and then use the lynch for something that may actually be useful.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On July 06 2011 22:08 prplhz wrote:
Jesus christ.
The Mataza lynch will be too easy give us nothing unless Mataza, contrary to my expectations, will turn out to be scum. If nuke phase is not over I suggest we all agree to get Mataza nuked to hell and then use the lynch for something that may actually be useful.
Caller is Jesus Christ reincarnated
Trying to get people to use their nukes?
We do not want conspirators winning this game any more than we want scum to do and should only nuke when we have too as the radiation will already get pretty high with every scum / conspirator we kill ( They WILL fire of their nukes upon dying )
Mataza is a good lynch target for keeping the scum / conspirators in their place without raising the radiation level.
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Finland5948 Posts
By the way is there any reason why we wouldn't mass name (not role) claim? Even if it's not currently possible to determine scum purely based on the gimmick names, it might be after we get some flips. That does sound like game ruining though, so it's hard to believe it's something Caller overlooked
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Finland5948 Posts
The name claim order can be randomized or in order of scumness. Obviously the more claims we get, the easier it is to lie
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Ill b around later if plans gp right
Sry something happened
sidenote. Palmars nuke plan is best. Don't.
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United States22154 Posts
On July 06 2011 22:25 syllogism wrote:
The name claim order can be randomized or in order of scumness. Obviously the more claims we get, the easier it is to lie
Yes, lets oust all the power roles.
I think mass claiming is a terrible idea, scum won't have that hard a time lying, and its just going to let the mafia figure out who the best targets are.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
I thank caller for being a shining inspiration for this post.
Right then, Mataza has the noose already around his neck so lets see what my current FoS Ciryandor has done this game.
Well actually he has typed Four posts in total and made a stealth vote proving that he is Active lurking.
First post -
On July 05 2011 15:27 Ciryandor wrote:
Honestly, I'd be very wary of anyone who's trigger-happy right now. And PLEASE FFS, don't throw nukes unless you want multi-kills on some people.
At this point we had no real policy in check and we needed to keep the trigger happy players in their place some how. Yet he seems to state we should use Nukes for multi kills which I Don't like if we want to kill we will lynch Cir seems intent on nuking people to raise the radiation level higher.
After Palmar / GM make their policies clear to one another he pops up again for a bit longer of a post
On July 05 2011 23:36 Ciryandor wrote:
It's quite nice to read as I catch up that everyone has thought it is a good idea to do a no-nuke unless absolutely necessary AND agreed upon by town as its policy, to stifle the chances of the Conspirator winning as the town tries to take out the Mafia. While right now, I do agree with Palmar's invocation that we should keep independent thought on our targets, at the end of the day, one has to show WHY it would be a good idea to nuke someone, then as the person who proposed it, take the shot themselves if they have a nuke at hand. Could someone update me on how long there is time left before the deadline?
He seems to have shifted his stances from, Nuking to kill multiple targets to Nuking only when the town agrees pretty much mimicking the policies already stated trying to blend in without adding anything of value himself.
Now here is his first and only contribution this game.
On July 06 2011 11:38 Ciryandor wrote:
##Vote: Zona
He's supposed to be bloody active in the forums, though I'm not sure now that BW PL regular season is already over; so I'm wondering where he could be. In the same vein, why is Eiii's only recent comment not very relevant to the game? Is he lurking as well?
##Vote: Dunkirk Operation
It gives us more return to do this, we're assured of extra lives for Brit Townies unlike the ambiguity of "Up to 3 nukes" of Gunnerside (which implies anything from 1-3; and may even involve a scum counter-op to reduce the number), and Watchtower just stops everything (but if people start voting that way it just slows down the nuke-throwing people are going to do by a day, no more, no less.
And I don't want anyone to nuke anyone just yet, it's unwarranted to be throwing the septic tank around in the air just yet. Maybe target proposals for the next day, but no more than that.
I think at this time we had already stated that Dunkirk is the most logical one to pick and it was pretty much set in stone at this stage.
As for Zona, Yes he hasn't posted yet but nor has Ciryandor when you really look at things, He just wanted to try and stir some activity up to point at later when people will suspect him.
He claims people are lurking but I have seen no one more actively lurk than he does esspecially when we take into consideration the Ninja vote he did earlier
On July 06 2011 21:03 Ciryandor wrote:
##Unvote Zona
##Vote Mataza
What I am suggesting - We lynch Mataza as planned and then we move onto Ciryandor as he is a conspirator
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Finland5948 Posts
On July 06 2011 22:28 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 22:25 syllogism wrote:
The name claim order can be randomized or in order of scumness. Obviously the more claims we get, the easier it is to lie Yes, lets oust all the power roles. I think mass claiming is a terrible idea, scum won't have that hard a time lying, and its just going to let the mafia figure out who the best targets are.
I'm pretty sure every player got a name
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Finland5948 Posts
But you are right, some power roles might have names that give away their role, it's a bad plan
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On July 06 2011 22:24 syllogism wrote:
By the way is there any reason why we wouldn't mass name (not role) claim? Even if it's not currently possible to determine scum purely based on the gimmick names, it might be after we get some flips. That does sound like game ruining though, so it's hard to believe it's something Caller overlooked
Caller does not overlook anything for he is the all seeing wonder.
I disagree with this some role names may have more meaning than others ( Although mine is pretty pointless ) and knowing caller he will probably give the more important blue roles to the more important names in history.
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On July 06 2011 22:29 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 22:28 GMarshal wrote:On July 06 2011 22:25 syllogism wrote:
The name claim order can be randomized or in order of scumness. Obviously the more claims we get, the easier it is to lie Yes, lets oust all the power roles. I think mass claiming is a terrible idea, scum won't have that hard a time lying, and its just going to let the mafia figure out who the best targets are. I'm pretty sure every player got a name
It will expose the 5 faction leaders marking them with a big 'Target me pls' sign. Still, might be a good idea later on in the game when the leaders are exposed/dead already. Mass claiming so soon just feels quite risky given that its a Caller game.
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~OPZ~ where are you. Stop lurking so hard and dropping votes without talking.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On July 06 2011 22:35 deconduo wrote:
~OPZ~ where are you. Stop lurking so hard and dropping votes without talking.
Caller is like the companion cube... Except you can never kill him.
At least he had the common decency to post before making his vote unlike Ciryandor
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