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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
-Pros: No radiation, sandroba doesn't die. -Cons: Sandroba is pretty scummy, especially with the 'slip' of knowing the mafia KP. Caller hasn't commented on that either which makes it even more suspicious. Was a possible lynch candidate anyway imo. Uses up a counter nuke which may be in short supply. Needed for lategame in case of mafia blitz or whatever. I feel it isn't worth it, but we should have some discussion on it. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On July 06 2011 22:51 deconduo wrote: Should we use a counter nuke to save sandroba? -Pros: No radiation, sandroba doesn't die. -Cons: Sandroba is pretty scummy, especially with the 'slip' of knowing the mafia KP. Caller hasn't commented on that either which makes it even more suspicious. Was a possible lynch candidate anyway imo. Uses up a counter nuke which may be in short supply. Needed for lategame in case of mafia blitz or whatever. I feel it isn't worth it, but we should have some discussion on it. All praise the glorious man known as caller, who would not reveal information that is pivotal to the game. Problem is if he is town and we do shoot it down the scum may with hold their shots to make it seem that they do in fact only have 1 KP per night which may influence certain players to go on a crusade and waste a perfectly good lynch + a counter nuke on him ( then full amount of Mafia KP will be used every night after ) At this stage of the game we may have to risk letting Sandroba die as the Mafia may use him as an instrument against us if he is town. However if that was in fact a scum slip and not what he claims it was then we have a massive advantage in lynching Mataza / killing sand. The no radiation would be a rather big Plus though | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
GMarshal and Palmar - I am handing you the task of helping me keep everyone focused and on track, and developing a pro-town atmosphere. We managed it fairly well in RTM, so we should be able to do it again here. You guys can be extremely pro-town when you want to be, so let's use that to our advantage and get things running smoothly here again. Here is how we will create a pro-town atmosphere: 1. We will all be respectful to each other. There is absolutely zero point in getting worked up over something. We've all done it at some point, but it's a bad idea for two reasons - there's a person behind those words, and it doesn't further our goal as town at all. 2. If you wish to accuse someone, create a formal FoS. Clearly state who you are accusing, explain why you think they are scum, and provide evidence in the form of quoted posts with an explanation of how those posts show they are scum. If need be I can make a template for this too. 3. Don't nuke just for the hell of it. Don't nuke unless your target is agreed upon by the town. If a rogue nuker nukes you, don't nuke back. Lynch them. If you've been pro-town enough, you can call for an anti-nuke and if the town agrees you're saved. 4. If you see the thread starting to get off track again, remind everyone of their goal. Nudge it back on topic and try to calm down any hotheads who are keeping it messy. My thoughts on a few players: Mataza - This is really unfortunate. I was going to suggest that you be the one to use your nukes on our first lynch target, since you softclaimed having nukes that wouldn't raise the radiation level. However, you broke our nuke policy, and as such you must now be lynched. ##Vote: Mataza Palmar - I'm not sold on this guy being scum. He's way too vocal and outspoken about his opinions, which in my experience leads to a townie more often than it leads to mafia (or conspirator in this case). I would not be okay with a lynch on him today, especially over Mataza. I want to see more of his posts before I commit to calling him scum. Sandroba - He is probably one of the worst targets for a nuke today. He has been active and very pro-town. It is his idea for nuke policy that we took, and it definitely benefits us. If he flips mafia or conspirator, I will be surprised. With that said, I wouldn't recommend anybody anti-nuke. We can't guarantee his alignment (especially with the possible scum slip) and those will be best saved for Day 3 and onwards if/when the Axis try to launch an attack on us. sinani206 - Again, I don't think he is a very good lynch target. He's being outspoken, and isn't giving me a scum vibe. I think he just got stuck on a bad suspect and started tunneling it. I would also be surprised if he flips scum. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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TheAwesomeAll
Netherlands1609 Posts
On July 06 2011 22:42 Navillus wrote: Hi people I'm back for 1 quick post and will be back in full in a few hours, but we need to keep hard to our policy, the point of policies is that no one can break them without being taken out instantly and with full town backing, this will prove to mafia that they cannot fire nukes and live, otherwise they will, not might, will follow mataza's example and we will get a shitstorm of nukes. Frankly we have a really really good policy going and should be suspicious of anyone trying to break it, and should make it as difficult as we possibly can to weaken or get rid of this policy, this means we have to lynch mataza. In the mean time move on to other analysis while we wait for him to die fuck policy he just nuked out of nowhere. It shouldnt take a policy to take him out. However we made a mistake. Voting on him is the dumbest thing we can do. This is whats going to happen : we lynch him, he will flip black or red, i dont care. Next day we wake up AND WE HAVE NOTHING. No information is going to be gained today, Mafia will just Happily bandwagon along with the rest of the town. We have to nuke him. Not only that but we also have to kill his nuke, because if it is going to hit and Sandy loses it its over. Lets not screw ourselves over and start day 2 with no information, The WLR stays the same but we at least kill this stupid bandwagon. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
On July 06 2011 23:32 syllogism wrote: So chaos13 who do you think has been scummy so far because there's a distinct lack of any finger pointing by you so far, which is quite unlike your usual play as far as I can tell Just to point it out, that's his normal town play day 1. He asks questions and acts really indecisive, I actually shot him for it in PTP, cause I thought he was scum. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On July 06 2011 23:32 syllogism wrote: So chaos13 who do you think has been scummy so far because there's a distinct lack of any finger pointing by you so far, which is quite unlike your usual play as far as I can tell heist would be my biggest suspect. He's been noncommittal and asking questions without providing anything new. GMarshal is my second. He hasn't quite got his usual leaders hat on and some of his ideas regarding nukes have been contradictory or strange. Someone to keep an eye on there. My style is definitely going to be a little different this game. I'm busy, and I'm trying out a new format for taking notes, one that is far more detailed. I'm only on page 12 at the moment and working my way through them. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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TheAwesomeAll
Netherlands1609 Posts
##Unvote: Mataza ##Vote: Chaos13 | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
We need more Conspirator / scum FoS going around if we allow plans with Mataza to go ahead. Palmar - Acting scummy but I am not 100% sure on him as he is pretty outspoken and invented a plan on containing the nuke launches which is something conspirators / Scum would avoid. He is probably innocent but it would be worth keeping an eye on his play throughout the game. Sandroba - He made a simple scum slip and hasn't posted much since, He is probably scum and may be hit by mataza's nuke unless people stop it. If he is town there is to many ways Mafia could abuse him if he does stay alive as well. Ciryandor - Hard core active lurking and my main FoS, If he isn't scum he is probably a conspirator. sinani206 - People really wanted to lynch him early on but all discussion about him died the moment Mataza fired his nuke off, I personally would like more analysis done on this guy. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On July 06 2011 23:47 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Chaos your just announcing that the guy you voted on is probably not mafia, and find it sad that you HAVE to hop on the bandwagon. You already commited to calling him scum with your vote, but now there is a path with even less resistance and you just hop there. Not on my watch, ##Unvote: Mataza ##Vote: Chaos13 There is absolutely no point in having a nuke policy if we don't enforce it. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On July 06 2011 23:47 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Chaos your just announcing that the guy you voted on is probably not mafia, and find it sad that you HAVE to hop on the bandwagon. You already commited to calling him scum with your vote, but now there is a path with even less resistance and you just hop there. Not on my watch, ##Unvote: Mataza ##Vote: Chaos13 Caller is a great man. There is no point in having a Policy if we don't enforce it as Conspirators / scum will just abuse the mechanics too much and see us all dead | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On July 06 2011 23:47 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Chaos your just announcing that the guy you voted on is probably not mafia, and find it sad that you HAVE to hop on the bandwagon. You already commited to calling him scum with your vote, but now there is a path with even less resistance and you just hop there. Not on my watch, ##Unvote: Mataza ##Vote: Chaos13 As much as I dislike policy lynches, in this game we have to stick with them. Otherwise we're just going to get fucked. I don't think anyone has a strong scum read on Mataza but he did something dumb and as such must die for it. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On July 06 2011 23:44 syllogism wrote: I agree on GMarshal, for the reasons you stated and due to his initial choice of campaign and the reasoning behind it. It seemed to me there was initially some coordinated effort to get use to go for that campaign, though perhaps that's too daring. If Palmar flips red, I will definitely be pushing to get GMarshal lynched, barring some new information pointing to other direction Yep, I'm scum because I thought extra lives didn't apply to nukes, great catch. You realize you are FoSing pretty much every vocal player out there, right? The people that talk can be worrisome, sure, but right now we have to worry about those who aren't talking. If you think i'm scum I welcome any case you may have, otherwise don't just say "is scum for wanting to destroy mafia nukes" that seems to make little sense. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
My nuke is not for destruction, but for FREEDOM. It is to break free from the tyranny of the all-encompassing policies which suppress us all, our people, that is we all who are playing. I will not stand for rules that take away every responsibility from our actions and that may as well be carried out by machines. We are Humans and we are all Individuals. We should therefore act like individuals and decide for ourselves what is the best thing to do. Palmar confesses he is often wrong in the things he does and more than once got townies killed as the result of it. Is it fair to punish me for something similar while he hides behind the fact that "his missile is only a dud" because "he has no nukes"? You may now say yes, but be aware that it is because Palmar has a way with words which I don´t have. Ask yourself, if I was more persuasive would you then forgive me? Don´t just say no. Think about it for a minute. I want my freedom back. My policy is as good as the others. Everyone knows what consequences his actions have, and that´s why my missile didn´t already cause a "shitstorm", unlike every single one of you predicted. I am fed up with trying to be calm, collected, persuasive, good mannered and whatnot. This is just not me. I am extreme. I am a crusader. I am justice. I am the missing screws of your new some-assembling-required shelf. I am the Darkwing Duck of TL Mafia. The missile I fired is just an expression of how I crave freedom more than anything right now. | ||
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TheAwesomeAll
Netherlands1609 Posts
On July 06 2011 23:52 Drazerk wrote: Caller is a great man. There is no point in having a Policy if we don't enforce it as Conspirators / scum will just abuse the mechanics too much and see us all dead im all about enforcing the policy, but we shouldnt do that by lynching the guy. He should be nuked since policylynches are Mafia heaven, all mafia will blend in and keep whatever the town has to work with to an absolute zero. If this goes through we will be talking about not using nukes on day 2 as well, which would screw us over tremendously. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On July 06 2011 23:49 Drazerk wrote: Caller is a Mafia god every spot in the hall of fame is dedicated to him. We need more Conspirator / scum FoS going around if we allow plans with Mataza to go ahead. Palmar - Acting scummy but I am not 100% sure on him as he is pretty outspoken and invented a plan on containing the nuke launches which is something conspirators / Scum would avoid. He is probably innocent but it would be worth keeping an eye on his play throughout the game. Sandroba - He made a simple scum slip and hasn't posted much since, He is probably scum and may be hit by mataza's nuke unless people stop it. If he is town there is to many ways Mafia could abuse him if he does stay alive as well. Ciryandor - Hard core active lurking and my main FoS, If he isn't scum he is probably a conspirator. sinani206 - People really wanted to lynch him early on but all discussion about him died the moment Mataza fired his nuke off, I personally would like more analysis done on this guy. syllogism - This guy seems intent on braking our policies to try and save Mataza yet not claiming anything about saving roba who would be the more discussed about issue had he not wanted to objectify to every keeping to the policies. Personally I think he scum trying to buy him self town points when Mataza dies probably in the form of a "I told you so!". - Next main FoS after Ciryandor. Added syllogism to the list | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On July 07 2011 00:01 Drazerk wrote: Caller is a genius Added syllogism to the list Caller is a massive power and merciful God - Please don't take your vengeance upon me for not worshipping you for a brief moment. | ||
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