EPTgtrsrs has basically been trying to run the game, and have the town not get anywhere. Day one targetting Lord Vatti, which accomplishes nothing for town. Then getting people to bandwagon aprudds when he was one of the least scummy players in the game. And then he switched his vote at the last minute, when aprudds had enough votes to get lynched anyways, and tried to deny going after aprudds. He also derailed teh town when there was pretty good case against Drazerk, and defended Drazerk - and then denied defending Drazerk. He's also been targetting and tunnelling Xedat and pretty much ignoring everything else. And last his flame-war with Drazerk has been just a massive amount of spam and nonsense that does nothing for town.
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
gtrsrs has basically been trying to run the game, and have the town not get anywhere. Day one targetting Lord Vatti, which accomplishes nothing for town. Then getting people to bandwagon aprudds when he was one of the least scummy players in the game. And then he switched his vote at the last minute, when aprudds had enough votes to get lynched anyways, and tried to deny going after aprudds. He also derailed teh town when there was pretty good case against Drazerk, and defended Drazerk - and then denied defending Drazerk. He's also been targetting and tunnelling Xedat and pretty much ignoring everything else. And last his flame-war with Drazerk has been just a massive amount of spam and nonsense that does nothing for town. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
I will support Ban List Ban/Warning requests GMarshal and Mataza make for the behavior I listed above. Take this as a final warning. Such behavior is not tolerated here. ![[image loading]](http://www.kellymoore.net/images/Quetzalcoatl_telleriano.jpg) Remember: On June 13 2011 04:00 GMarshal wrote: Inappropriate posts: If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, Qatol, or Flamewheel before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
The vote count so far, as I see it: gtrsrs Pyo Treadmill Xedat Xedat supersoft Drazerk gtrsrs Drazerk freeloader625 Yet to vote: Alderan CjrNinja Please, if you're town, post more - especially Alderan and CjrNinja. Also, ignore gtrsrs and Drazerk, they're trying to shut down any conversation because they're scum. | ||
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CjrNinja
Australia223 Posts
You also got your facts wrong: Gtrsrs did NOT get people to bandwagon aprudds. After everyone trashed his idea of voting for Lord Vatti, he tried to convince people to lynch Drazerk, as he was suspecting him to start with. Just saw that the final day one votecount said gtrsrs voted for aprudds when he had actually revoted drazerk. It should be edited so that people referencing it are given a correct votelist. Also, apologies to gtrsrs for voting you. Had I been awake and reading your medic claim at 4:55am when you posted it, as well as your other posts, I would have changed my vote. Ok, with that out of the way: My vote tonight will be for Xedat. Allow me to place these 4 posts next to each other: On June 20 2011 00:02 Xedat wrote: It doesn't look like Drazerk wants to martyr himself. I also think his defense is half decent. I actually would like to hear what gtrsrs has to say to the people voting for him. To me it looked like Pyo's first vote on Drazerk was to make the game a bit more livelier and I voted for Drazerk because he didn't respond for that. Right now I don't think that Drazerk is too scummy anymore. I will change my vote to gtrsrs, let's see who will defend him and what his defense is. ##unvote: Drazerk ##vote: gtrsrs On June 20 2011 05:46 Xedat wrote: ##unvote gtrsrs ##vote: appruds I think he has defended himself enough and the tunneling by Drazerk and appruds is a bit too crazy. On June 20 2011 05:51 Xedat wrote: I don't know what to do anymore. I don't think gtrsrs is mafia by now, why do oyu think Drazerk is more scummy than appruds gtrsrs? On June 21 2011 16:45 Xedat wrote: I still think gtrsrs is scum. And me attacking you is not being wishy washy gtrsrs. ##vote: gtrsrs Look at the first post! He doesn't make any accusations towards gtr, he types up a shitty paragraph 'defending' drazerk (which has already been pulled apart) then votes him, without a reason, without any indications that he thinks gtr is scum. He's bandwagoning, under the pretense that his drazerk 'defense' is reasonable grounds to justify his votechange. Look at the second post! Now that the bandwagon is changing to aprudds, and he doesn't want to get caught on a votelist where he lynches a blue, it looks like it is time to jump onto that one! "The tunneling by Drazerk and aprudds is a little too crazy." It's not even a reason or an accusation that aprudds is scum, just an observation. He's bandwagoning again. Look at the third post! You never thought Gtr was scummy in the first place. At all. You Look at the last post! Now look at his first three posts. Now look at what I just said^^. Now look at the last post again. I'll say it again: Xedat has joined both the gtrsrs and aprudds bandwagons, made no accusations against either of them until the next day! Find the common word in the previous 4 paragraphs. (Hint: it's bandwagoning). What do scum do to get someone lynched? They bandwagon. We need to lynch mafia today. I can say with certainty that Xedat is the scum we need to get town back on the way to winning. ##Vote: Xedat | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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Australia223 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On June 22 2011 13:07 CjrNinja wrote: Sorry, wasn't trying to insult Xedat ._. No problem, just try to be mindful of that kind of stuff in the future. It devolves into flamewars/ hurt feelings a little too easily and there's no reason for it. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
@CjrNinja, you're right, gtrsrs didn't call for people to bandwagon aprudds, I misinterpreted that - he did, however, vote for him. I was wrong about that. I'm starting to have some doubts about gtrsrs being mafia but his posting in general has been so anti-town that I'm having trouble seeing him as innocent. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
@mods: sorry again in advance for any insults. i've really tried to reign them in since day 1 and i will continue to think twice before hitting the "post" button. @town: sorry to all for being so overly rude this game. as i've stated multiple times, i was trying to play conservatively this game since i rolled blue. since most of you have relatively little experience, i can see why my change in posting style might have raised some alarms. @freeloader especially, sorry i unloaded on you. i was just so frustrated because obviously to myself, my actions make perfect sense. that being said, i will NOT apologize for playing aggressively now. my whole life i've only derived pleasure from winning, be it in high school sports, league of legends, or even forum mafia. if i'm losing i'm not having fun, so if you make a bad argument or contradict yourself, i will badger you into submission; i will just make sure to not attack you as a person as a way to get my point across. okay, mushy stuff is over, 1, 2, 3, BREAK! LET'S GET 'EM TEAM CjrNinja, that's excellent analysis, i'm glad we're on the same page. like i said earlier, upon re-thinking, i thought it would be *too* convenient for all three mafia to jump on my bandwagon with little-to-no-impetus. 2 i can buy, drazerk and xedat have made their alignment pretty clear, but it would be a bit too convenient for all 3 to expose themselves so easily. i'm happy to take you off my FoS list for now :D | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 22 2011 15:07 Treadmill wrote: I'm starting to have some doubts about gtrsrs being mafia but his posting in general has been so anti-town that I'm having trouble seeing him as innocent. can i ask, with respect, what part of my posting has been "so anti-town"? that's the part i'm struggling to get. i can explain anything i've posted, and i'm happy to defend anything you're suspicious of. | ||
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Canada2833 Posts
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Xedat
Germany358 Posts
supersoft asked me to answer his post so I will do that first: On June 21 2011 07:47 supersoft wrote: I have to agree, Xedat is pretty suspicious. I just went trough all his posts. at first, he just makes some useless posts, no accuses, just a little bandwagoning here and there. In fact he first voted on Drazerk, switched to gtrsrs and switched again to aprudds. Not a reason to call him scum (I also switched twice :D) What made me consider that he's mafia is his recent behavior. Since people started accusing him, he changed dramatically: On June 20 2011 21:22 Xedat wrote: looks like gtrsrs is scum, and only because you claimed medic does not mean you are a confirmed medic. On Drazerk analyzing me, the first few posts we did was simply to start a discussion, how that is incriminating is beyond me. Second of all, being one if the first persons to vote for someon is not "jumping on a bandwagon." Third of all, if you are town how is changing my vote áway from you scummy in any way? Also, if you think gtrsrs is town why is it scummy to change my vote from him. If he is the medic I would be stupid to vote for him. The other 2 options were you and appruds. In my eyes you were clear, so I had the choice between a claimed medic someone I thought was town and a more scummy player. Of course I vote for the person that is most scummiest to protect our medic. Voting for someone totally different to get the focus away from me would be the scummy way to play. Please town, think for yourself and don't let yourself be led by mafia to an early grave. It is entierly possible that Drazerk and gtrsrs are mafia and do this all to get town cred, but I think it is more probable that only gtrsrs or none of them is mafia. Note this: "Please town, think for yourself and don't let yourself be led by mafia to an early grave." .... third person... Well I don't know, I might be wrong, but I think he meant: "You idiots, I didn't act suspicious at all." Referring to town in third person is pretty normal and I just copied other players. It is the same as if I had said "please everyone". Also this: - Hide Spoiler - On June 21 2011 02:53 Xedat wrote: So who is mafia in your book gtrsrs? Accusing everyone? You said that between Xedat, Drazerk, CjrNinja and appruds there are 100% percent 3 mafioso. And now suddenly Pyo is mafia too? Why don't you say anything about appruds? Lets face it people, gtrsrs is very scummy, take everything he says with a grain of salt and don't just believe him. Also this one. "you call me scum? You are scum yourself!" All in all, Xedat is the most obvious choice even more than Drazerk and gtrsrs. I am not sure about both. They were both under heavy pressure and posted some suspicious/strange things... I call the person I find most scummy scum, not because he calls me scum, but that has something to do with it. I know I am not scum and now we know appruds is not scum, crninja is inactive but not that scummy, me not changing my vote from Drazerk might have been a mistake, but at that moment I did not find him scummy, now I am undecided. So between 4 players where he thinks 3 are 100% scum I know 2 are not 100% one is simply inactive and about one I am unsure. Of course I think it is scummy for him to just accuse everyone, as it makes a bad atmosphere for discussion. Also I know that he sucks in his analysis because I know that he is wrong at least 50% of the time, which is not much better than random lynching. ##vote: Xedat Again, I want to reiterate that town wants to have a lot of discussion, with everyone having to say useful things so that no one can hide between the inactives. Supersoft, you just told me I accused gtrsrs of being scum because he accused me, but look at gtrsrs' posts. Everyone who defends me or drazerk in the slightest way or even just disagrees with him is immediately told that he is scum. How many people did gtrsrs accuse by now? He is trying to make a bad atmosphere for discussion and tries to make himself the leader, a clear scum play. Also, I want to explain why everyone voting for Lord Vatti is a bad idea and a scum plan: The game mafia lives from discussion and analyzing peoples posts and votes for their intentions. Gtrsrs says that we lose a player when we not lynch the inactive one. This is only correct on the surface. In reality what we want is information. Consider these three scenarios and think for yourself which is best for town: Day 1, 13 players, no discussion, no information (this is the start) Day 2, 11 players, we all lynched the modkill, so no discussion, no information (its like the start with 2 less town) Day 2, 10 players, we lynched the scummiest one, lots of discussion, lots of information (If you don't think this is best for town you are scum.) If anyone still thinks that gtrsrs' plan was great he should over think it. Now to gtrsrs' accusations. I am referring to this post, Its in the spoiler. + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2011 03:07 gtrsrs wrote: really now, do you? it's funny that you say "still" because as far as i can tell you've never actually thought i was scum let's take a stroll through your posts shall we didn't notice this til now. why would a town ever need to know this? not enough to be suspicious of someone but it sure does lend credibility to my case. bolded blue noted for later these two posts reek of scummy wishy-washiness. he fake accuses Drazerk and then before anyone can take it seriously, he backs off it. "oh no no i wasn't actually accusing him lol LET'S WAIT FOR SCUM TO SLIP" "wait for scum to slip? that's the dumbest thing anyone's ever said lol!! oh, it was exactly what i said in my last post? PANIC VOTE" see my post earlier (here) for why this solidified Xedat as scum in my eyes. Drazerk offered NO defense whatsoever, nothing even resembling a defense, but Xedat was all too happy to pull his vote off his scumbuddy now that the pressure was on me instead. with only a handful of posts, none of which have ANY substance, Xedat "doesn't think that Drazerk is too scummy anymore". el oh el. wishy washy much? as soon as i claim medic, which you'll remember he asked blues to do ealier in the thread he pulls his vote off me and puts it on aprudds, who is just an over-eager townie. now remember, mafia knows who is town. as long as *someone* was getting lynched, mafia doesn't care. that's why Xedat has been so adamant about lynching someone today instead of doing the smart thing and voting for Lord Vatti. an interesting change in position seeing as you told blues to claim if they were being lynched. really? last post you said i was scum if aprudds flipped green. THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF WISHY-WASHY SCUM, TRYING TO SPREAD CONFUSION no, xedat, this is why you lynch the guy who's already going to die. instead of starting with 2 dead townies, we start with 3 and lose a mis-lynch. but of course mafia sees this as a good thing. a nice juicy contradiction-filled post. let's break it down a. 5 posts ago i was town. 3 posts ago i was scum. 2 posts ago i was not scum. now i'm scum again. b. no, being one of the first people to vote for someone after the initial vote is the DEFINITION of "jumping on a bandwagon," sorry. c. now i'm town again, as long as it clears Xedat? d. "If he is the medic I would be stupid to vote for him. " but you don't think i'm the medic. you think i'm scum. but not enough to actually vote for me? is anyone else reading this? who is mafia in my books? Xedat, Drazerk and then someone else. i can't tell if Pyo is being a bad sport or a clever mafia. thinking back, it's unlikely for all three mafia to jump on the bandwagon immediately, that would be too obvious. so i'm feeling CjrNinja less and less. it's still a possibility however. as for saying things about aprudds, don't gloss over my posts. IMMEDIATELY after Drazerk jumped ship off me and onto aprudds, i asked people to take their votes of aprudds. it was an extremely blatant scumtell and the town didn't pick up on it. i feel bad for aprudds. he was trying to play like me in a situation where it was unneeded, and it made HIM look really scummy. you and Drazerk orchestrated a voteswing at the last minute before people could pull their votes off of aprudds. town, to me it is very obvious that Xedat is scum. i think Drazerk is as well, but i feel like Xedat is the better vote here. i know this now looks like 2 days in a row that i've soft-defended Drazerk, but that's not the case i swear. hopefully this is enough for you guys to put your vote on the obvious mafia ##vote: Xedat His first accusation, me wanting information what mafia can do when they die is also an obvious scumtell. He tries to incriminate me with playing mafia style for asking questions, well guess what this was before the roles were even sent to the players. I bit this was only a mistake by gtrsrs (not) and he did not try to make his case against me better by lying (he did). I can only quote mafia master Ace, when he said: " Priority 0: Shoot liars. Some players still try and spin these stupid fairy tales saying that lying helps the town. They also believe Voldemort is real. Don't listen to them. Without going in depth about why lying is bad just follow this statement - SHOOT first." This refers to vigilantes, but is still relevant for town. I wont break down his whole post, I will describe to you how I experienced day 1 so you can read my intentions: First I accuse Drazerk a bit, without him having said anything really incriminating, to get discussion going. I stop after 3 posts or so because his posting seemed pretty normal and tell him I just accused him for getting a discussion going. Pyo seems to have picked on to something and votes for him, I also vote for him as the second? person to put him under pressure. (did I think he was overly suspicious? No, and I already told you, this is important for getting discussion going.) Drazerk posts some more and I don't think we get anything more out of him, for the slight suspicion I had against him he did not respond very scummy. On the other hand, there is one person who reacts very scummily to accusations against him. Its gtrsrs. Read through his posts when everyone votes for him. He is screaming like a wounded kitty thinking it is a lion. He accuses everyone and insults everyone desperatly trying to stay alive. This seemed scummy to me because it is extremely anti town (bad atmosphere). His whole demeanor was that of a bloated ego mafia trying anything to stay alive. Of course, I vote for him. ( gtrsrs tries to make it look like I just randomly jumped on bandwagons, which simply is not true. Every time I changed my vote the situation had changed significantly.) Then, in a desperate last attempt to save himself he says he is the medic. To make the situation clear to you, I voted for gtrsrs, then went on the train with no internet to go to my parents to attend private matters. At the evening, shortly before voting ends I have time to attend the game. I read most of the posts ( I think I didn't read page 15 before voting, no time) and see he claimed medic, while also saying me, Drazerk, appruds and crninja are the most obvious scum ("3 of them are 100% scum"). As I said I know I am not scum and I didn't think Drazerk was, I didn't think anything about crninja or appruds, so I looked for whom most people voted and it was appruds. Was this an educated decision of which I thought longly? No, I just wanted to save the medic. To make it clear, my vote was the one saving gtrsrs and I think had I not switched to the one with the highest votes after him (appruds) he would have been lynched regardless. This was a crystal clear town move to save the medic. But, on the other hand, there was his suspicious behavior, his reaction after being voted for, so I wrote that if appruds is town, gtrsrs is probably scum. When you have 2 clear candidates like appruds and gtrsrs, one or the other is scum most of the time, so I wrote what was my experience. After appruds flipped town the next logical step was that gtrsrs is mafia, so I wrote that in the night. Then I said that I still think that gtrsrs is mafia and I voted for him on the day. To make it clear again, on the beginning of the day some people are voted for, the one that reacts the most ridiculously defensively is (which is very scummy) is gtrsrs, so I vote for him. Then he claims medic, I save him by switching my vote to the next highest, saying gtrsrs scummy when appruds is town. This happens and I say it incriminates gtrsrs a lot, then voting for him. Gtrsrs tries to make it look like I am "wishy washy", which means that I am unclear in my posting. In opposition of that I said he is scummy and only changed my vote for him when he claimed medic, then seeing that this was a mafia trick and saying I am still suspicious of him. This is not wishy washy. If there are any specific thing I should answer, ask them, but please don't try to read everything I say as if I can only be mafia, or everything I do will be in vain. I hope I made my position clear. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 22 2011 16:24 Treadmill wrote: @gtrsrs: you've been basically trying to get in charge of the town and have been flaming everyone who disagrees with you. and you've been trying to lead the town nowhere (Lord Vatti lynch) and into accomplishing nothing. At this point even if Xedat flips town I'm gonna still suspect that you're just bussing him to gain townie cred. tell me EXACTLY how random-lynching aprudds helped us more than lynching Lord Vatti would have? it gave us 1 fewer mislynch, and 1 fewer day before mafia can potentially win. i don't see how this is so hard for you to understand, honestly. you're a smart guy. but once more for clarity i will lay it out for you >we had an obvious AFKer >we had NO solid leads on mafia >we had 70% chance to lynch a townie, 10-20% chance to lynch a blue (which you almost did) >i push for us to NOT take the extremely high chance to lynch a townie, and everyone labels that as scummy 12-man game with 1 mafia KP per night, 1 lynch per day. assuming a mislynch every day, we only have 3 days before mafia wins. and everyone wants to RUSH THAT by another day by killing 2 townies in 1 day? my desire to give us an extra day (and in turn, an extra night ding ding i'm the medic hellooo) wasn't so we could "wait around for mafia to kill us." it was the opposite. instead of rushing really poor (statistic-wise) lynches, i wanted to buy extra nights for me to make saves. imagine you had lynched me day 1 and i hadn't claimed. you know what you would be saying right now? "wow we're really fucked, we should have listened to gtrsrs." don't say you wouldn't. hindsight is 20/20. the fact that the mafia left me alive (their goal - leave an easy lynch for town) is going to bite them in the ass because lo and behold i have another night to make a save. as for leading the town nowhere, that's just a load of malarky. i have given plenty of watertight evidence to lynch Xedat. when the time comes, i'll lay out an irrefutable case against drazerk too. i don't think it will be necessary since he's transparent and the town is ready to lynch him today anyways, but i'll do it. i was forced to claim, but my claim will end up helping the town. hopefully if the DT has any sense, he didn't waste a check on me, drazerk, or xedat. i'm assuming he checked you, pyo, supersoft, or one of the other townies that hasn't been accused of anything yet, and got a green. one of you has to be mafia, so when he knows, he'll let us know. what i'm getting at here is, you need to take your focus off of me and find the other scum. let go of the day 1 bullshit, i got pushed into that and did what i had to do to stay alive. xedat and drazerk are both 100% scum and i'm willing to take full responsibility for the town loss if they aren't. once we get 2 scum down, we'll have much much better numbers and you can systematically lynch me if you still feel that i bussed both of my teammates. how does that sound? | ||
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Xedat
Germany358 Posts
How high is the chance of you actually saving someone in the first night? 1/11. That is worst than a random lynch. As to why lynching the inactive guy is bad, read my post. | ||
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Eloquent
United States475 Posts
But after reading everything, I rather not butt myself in the conversations haha. I enjoy reading Mafia threads, but never played one forum style before. I, instead of replacing somebody, will rather wait until next/future games to start playing my first game :D As for now, continue with the cases! I'll still be lurking in the background along with the other Mafia games haha | ||
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Xedat
Germany358 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
Votecount Day 2 gtrsrs (3) Pyo Treadmill Xedat Xedat (4) supersoft Drazerk gtrsrs CjrNinja Drazerk (1) freeloader625 About 3 hours remain in the day. Alderan still to vote. Xedat leading the vote count with four votes. PM me if I messed up the votecounts. ^_^ | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
I don't get the Xedat lynch at all, I think it is painfully obvious that he is just not a very effective town. I am confident he will flip green, in which case we will have a pretty good list to choose from as it's highly possible at least 2 scum jumped on him. The gtsrs vote seems like ONLY a reaction to his initial anger, his play has switched, and not because he is mafia but I think he genuinely realizes that it's not acceptable, and derails noobtown too easily. My vote for Drazerk his based more on when he does not post as opposed to what he is voting. At the begining of the day he took a bunch of heat, when people realized it was either gtsrs or Drazerk so he naturally did what scum would do, which is to buddy to gtsrs. When everyone jumped on hisXedat bandwagon he hid, because Drazerk not saying anything has been better for his survival than when he's been actively posting. ##Vote: Drazerk | ||
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