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On June 15 2011 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
The idea of this game is to try and determine who is scum through analyzing their behavior, not figuring out how to break the system using power-roles.
The power-roles are there as tools to be used as necessary, not crutches to base our entire game upon.
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I think I said that 5 posts ago.
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On June 15 2011 07:18 Mataza wrote:
RoL, if I recall correctly your own plan hinges on people trusting you and 1-2 Docs randomly protecting you just in case you get targeted.
You don´t plan to achieve anything, except that you are able to pressure scum to slip.
Your assumption is, that scum buy *themselves* into a blatant trap.
And then you hope scum, after you told everyone what exactly you intend to do, will still slip carelessly.
You being able to scumhunt via PM is a pure assumption. You are convinced it is so, but everyone else has just to hope you are actually that good.
I don´t think your plan is any better, espcially for the part where you tie up half the masoning ability of the whole town. Without any tangible benefit.
You might as well get manipulated by a persuasive scum.
There is no guarantee you won´t except for your promise to be Superman in PM-Land.
All I need to say to this is, I am that good. My track record speaks for itself.
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On June 15 2011 07:19 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 06:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 15 2011 04:14 Mataza wrote:
Yes, but what are we supposed to talk about?
If there is no beginning, there is nothing we can talk about.
Normally the game starts with a day 1 witch hunt. Barring a humongous slip, the Town gets around 2-3 suspects which will all be green in the end. Then we all feel sorry that they were all innocent and lament that we had no information to base an opinion on.
Then you scum hunt in the big mess that is day 1.
What exactly is the best alternative here?
I don´t see the point of waiting for daybreak to "analyse" the nightkill.
Because there is no point to it. The scum might kill at random, and if not, the discussion is a huge pile of wifom.
"Victim A was most suspicious of Player B, so they probably killed him to make Player B look suspicious herpderp."
Ver might have said this plan was rubbish because he can think of ways to fuck with it. Think again, how can you fuck with this plan without being found out as mafia?
You have to first get in the circle. So you are known by at least 1 person. Then you have to prove your claimed role by 1 night action. If you can´t you simply don´t get into the circle.
So Veterans(role) stay out of the circle obviously.
You can´t fake active night roles for long.
The only thing able to fuck with this (kinda) risk free is when Sandroba is not only already maf but gets elected gf. This is a huge if in my humble opinion. This is wrong. You make way too many assumptions here, first of all, who cares if the mafia is found out? You act as if mafia are absolutely self serving, which they aren't. They are part of a team. If I was mafia and I played an intricate part in my teams victory, just because I die doesn't remove from what I have accomplished, and I still get the win. So yes, mafia might eventually get found out in a circle, but by then they will have gotten enough info to justify their deaths. And a godfather can easily fake a medic, vigilante, and veteran role so just excluding vet's from your circle doesn't do shit. A medic/vigilante/veteran role cannot guarantee confirm a player in one night, only a DT check can. If you spend 3 night cycles circle jerking yourself around with DT checks then mafia can just float in the inactives. As stated earlier, DT's should be checking inactives, active players WILL be outed by superior behavior analysis by good players. The circle plan sucked. My plan was better because it involved me doing something I am good at, and that others know I am good at, and doesn't involve having our blues suck each other off for 3 night cycles while trying to coordinate their collective stupidity. While I will gladly admit your amazing mafia hunting skills....Do you think by the end of night 0 you can find all the mafia by having mafia PM you. I'd be glad to mason you, but I feel it'd be a waste of time when I see your name pop up dead tomorrow.....Should I mason with BC instead? I like BC. BC's nice. Lol.
medics know wattup. I better not die.
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I will be a sober, conscious, contributing member of XLII society in roughly 9 hours.
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I had a much busier day then I thought, and I ended up going to a party 2.5 hours away last night on an hours notice. But tomorrow I will try to be much more active until I head back into new jersey for a couple of days.
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On June 17 2011 01:06 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 21:12 Impervious wrote:
EBWOP - Also, I'd like to say that I really dislike sandroba's plan, and although RoL's plan is a little better, I don't like it either, because we could screw ourselves out of half of the towns mason abilities for the cost of a single red (if he's scum).
Another thought:
I'm not going to say who I've masoned or been masoned by. I'd advise everyone to do the same for now. Revealing it may be useful later on for scumhunting purposes, but right now it'll only clutter up any discussions, and I'm pretty sure the mafia could use it to easily distract us.
A further thought:
DT's - if you've found a red, you could push for a lynch, or you could try to look through the thread for any blue slips and find a vigi. If you find a vigi, you could simply mason them and get them to use their ability. Since the GF had to pick his role to appear, I'd doubt he'd pick it as vigi (although you never know), so this should be pretty safe. Otherwise, you could continue looking for more scum, and try to push for their lynch + breadcrumb your knowledge in case you die. It´s not that easy to find blueslips for a vigi in this thread. Discussion flows at the speed of snails, so anyone has ample time revise their post or just postpone them for a couple of hours and they will still be on the same page. What you propose will most probably achieve the following: Our blues will use their mason abilities on snippets and unsure reads. If they mistake lurking scum for a lurking blue, they invite themselves to a nice, beefy bullet buffet N1. Cops should breadcrumb their checks and that´s that. Aside from that, I´m disappointed that votes travel away from ILJ without any reason but prolonged silence in this thread. Look at the low activity. I would strongly consider that scum wouldn´t defend their buddies, but instead wait for people to get insecure about the case and change the vote on their own accord. Which happened, YM did drop the case already. Imho the Sinani case is jumping on townie acts scummy because he has no reads. Not having any noteworthy reads is not a crime especially in this thread where fuck all happens. The Aidnai case is laughable at best. The only thing that stumbled upon me is Demorcerfs first post: + Show Spoiler +On June 15 2011 08:13 DeMorcerf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 07:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 15 2011 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
The idea of this game is to try and determine who is scum through analyzing their behavior, not figuring out how to break the system using power-roles.
The power-roles are there as tools to be used as necessary, not crutches to base our entire game upon.
This message has been brought to you by a noob. I think I said that 5 posts ago. On page 9: "Focus on behavioral analysis because there is no way to legitimately break the game set up that doesn't come with considerable risk. . . . . Focus on behavioral analysis and putting pressure on people, that is how towns have won games in the past, and that's how we will win this game. Making a plan to abuse format is always secondary to behavioral analysis in any set up." Show nested quote +On June 15 2011 04:37 Mig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Why is it a huge if that sandroba could be the GF? I assume mafia elects their GF n0, unless they did it before the game. So if they elect the GF tonight then they just propose the plan and make sandroba the GF anytime it looks like the plan will work. So if this were the case anytime sandroba is mafia we would reveal our entire blue list to them.
Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 02:18 flamewheel wrote:
Out of the six of you, you may choose two to receive Mafia Power Roles (Godfather or Roleblocker). You may send in your choice[s] at any point in the game, but you will not have access to whatever power you chose until you do send in the notification. At any point in the game... though I can't think of any logic to explain why they wouldn't do it before the first night ends. Has anyone seen a mafia that waited? Concerning this zodiac plan, I don't think I really understand why we wouldn't want the insurance-agents (medics) to keep as many of the most experienced players as possible alive for the first day or two and tell them not to attempt to save anyone on that list? The more of those players we keep around, are we not more likely to have a greater number of well-designed posts with strong analysis? Those players are the best at putting pressure and stimulating discussion and analysis. How do these plans work though if only a few people follow each of them? sandroba's plan seems overly bizarre and complex to me, I question how much useful and trustworthy information we could gain from it, especially if the majority of the town seems to have already expressed a strong opinion that they will not follow/ignore it. Rebirthoflegend's attempt to mass up mason-partners should allow him additional analysis of whoever does mason him, even if only half a dozen do so. If he is mafia though? I am wondering how efficient it will be if a large percentage of the town uses one of their two masons on the same, one person, couldn't it limit the ability of the town to disseminate information later on should that person die at some point or turn out to be scum? We shouldn't entirely rely on one person's analysis production obviously. Viscera, did Rebirth actually suggest we leave it just to him? Everyone should be contributing in analysis, those who don't attempt to do so are suspicious, aren't they? First thing I noticed, he rephrases a quote into a paragraph. Pure fluff. Second thing I noticed, he seems to be in love with questions marks. Dribbling about without any conclusion and reiterating a lot of what other people already said. You could shorten it into: "Sandrobas plan seems overly bizarre and complex to me. I doubt it would bring us any info even if it worked. As for RoL´s plan, we shouldn't entirely rely on one person's analysis production obviously. Viscera, did Rebirth actually suggest we leave it just to him? " That is the only thing I picked up so far, and it sure as hell is not much. He is with very likely just an insecure new player and town. But as this thread direly needs topics to discuss: What does the rest of you think?
I am boss as fuck.
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That's it, Lynch kenpachi. This is ridiculous. You are retarded, and trying to read words off a rock is going to be annoying, so I say we are better off just getting you out of the way right now.
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How much of the thread have you even read? I am current to about page 15.
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Seriously though, I am not joking. Fuck the other 3 candidates. That was the single worst thing I ever ever read. He is inactive then makes a blanket statement with NO evidence then falls back into inactivity? It's so reckless, and annoying. It needs to go right now.
Lynch kenpachi, honestly maybe I make bold statements but at least I provide reasoning.
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I just got my DT check back, Kenpachi is mafia.
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On June 17 2011 10:48 Kenpachi wrote:
GUYS WTF CHANGE YOUR VOTE NAO NAO NAOANOANAONAO
ilj looks to be town :s
you guys are all jackasses. I told you I checked KP, why didn't you lynch him?
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If the voting deadline passes are votes casted/changed count towards the lynch still?
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Replacements shouldn't be used after Day 2 imo. It's unfair.
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On June 17 2011 17:22 Node wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 15:54 youngminii wrote:
Sorry I wasn't awake for the lynch, I might have changed my vote to hiro (I agree with Varpulis's post against him) but that doesn't really matter anymore.
So uhh, Kenpachi, you realise that pointing out A FUCKING BLUE at night will result in his death right? If RoL is blue (and the safe money is on he isn't) he's a vet trying to draw a mafia shot by claiming everything under the sun. But the fact that Kenpachi of all people realized that he's playing terribly should underline just how useless RoL has been so far this game. I also fail to understand how Kenpachi is pointing out a blue when he calls RoL the GF.
Remember that time I carried you in Merc Mafia?
don't hate~~ just hand grenade
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Just some FYI, every day when I wake up and F5 this thread I am given a choice. I can A. Do some analysis and make sure you guys don't fuck up too bad, or B. Watch a marathon of 24. So far 24 has won the last 2 days. Maybe, just maybe if a vigi shoots Kenpachi tonight, 24 will lose the mental coin toss tomorrow.
Just some advice.
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On June 18 2011 11:05 Kenpachi wrote:
Isnt scamp one of them Vets? yeah i think he might be linked to RoL if he is linked to anyone at all.
Things like this is why you were supposed to be killed last night.
damn it.
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On June 18 2011 10:16 hiro protagonist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 10:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
So out of curiosity, WHY did you say you're a good DT check if you you DON'T need help defending yourself? That's just a wasted DT check if you're capable of such an act. Because I want DTs to mason me. That way we can better coordinate town actions. Dts, don't mason me until I am not the lynch target. That would be a waste.
For starters this is one of the dumbest things I have read in the entire thread, and I assure you have a read a lot of dumb things in this thread.
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woah syllogism, my emotions they hurt.
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