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On May 09 2011 04:09 Xedat wrote: /in This is my first time playing, I played a few SC2 UMS games of mafia and am following the current "main" Mafia game. Do you think it is smart to play in this setup for the first time playing a proper forum mafia game? If not is there an estimated time when a more noob friendly game will be starting? Not to steal players from Ver, but if you're interested I'm definitely going to need replacements in XXXIX, and it might not be too hard for you to sub in since you're already following it. | ||
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On May 11 2011 17:33 VisceraEyes wrote: /in for Sub if sign-ups closed....let me know. all right, who's the mars volta fan with a smurf? | ||
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Actually, what are Moles considered in general alignment-wise? Do they ever become red? Do they start as green? Are they always something else entirely? | ||
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On May 14 2011 09:58 GMarshal wrote: Alright, discussion time it is, before we start I want to preface this with something I picked up in PYP3 so, whatever you do, don't claim your numbers, we want to throw the mafia off, the last thing we want them is to be able to take two kp roles or something like that. Onto GM's Mafia Power denial plan. In this game there are several powers that are really, really anti town, and rather powerful, the GF's, the PoD and such. The easiest way to counter these powers is to know who has them, that way we avoid their usage by having someone responsible for them. For this reason I have created a draft of the most "anti-town" roles in the game and assigned numbers to pick them. If your number in the draft order coincides with this power then you *must* pick it, so we can control what roles the mafia has. 1-5- KP roles, America/CPR doc/inventor or roles you know you can use effectively (pupeteer, etc) I also advise that the MethMan be picked up there to encourage the mafia to not shoot into those roles. Position 6- Theif. We dont want the mafia to have this, since its even more anti-town than copycat in mafia hands, as it allows them to deny us a role and gain a powerful role. 7- Caller Godfather- since its extremely anti town and essentially adds a traitor to our ranks, its not something I want to worry about 8- PoD- again extremely anti town, lets deny its usage shall we? 9- vote rigger, like a pardoner on steroids, if a pardoner pardons we just lynch him, we have no way of catching the rigger, this way we know who he is from here on down people should choose what they feel they can use effectively and to the benefit of the town. By following this plan we eliminate the threat of 4 worrisome roles that can really hurt the town. This needs some refinement naturally, but it seems to me like a decent start. Also if any of these roles have been taken we know that the mafia is somewhere in the top five and *really* wants whatever role it is they took, thus we can focus our search on those Pardoner dosn't worry me as he must out himself to use his power and is then guaranteed to be made a pincushion by our vigis and other killing roles, and the threat of the copycat is nullified as long as we lynch someone low on the list. Just my initial thoughts, comments? I question whether it's a good idea to specifically deny the mafia powerful roles. There are certainly a few roles that would be extraordinarily powerful in the hands of the mafia, but there are enough good-to-very strong roles that if they didn't feel comfortable picking top-tier they could just go elsewhere. In addition, there's the more "quirky" roles where a well-executed tactic could be disastrous (for instance, check out the synergy between the mason and the agent of chaos) but difficult to predict and deny. I'd rather see the town prioritize the roles that would be really powerful in the hands of the town. For instance, the Assassin could basically be used as an alignment-checking DT that kills mafia when they find them. There's very little risk in having the role going to a townie. Other potentially good town roles include Cupid, Priest, and Jailkeeper. I haven't extensively gone into any other possibilities, but there's definitely good stuff out there. | ||
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On May 14 2011 13:28 Kavdragon wrote: I picked [1.5][0.5]. Am i doing it right? ...or we can get down to business: Node. Cool story. What role did you get? Node's ideas are wrong, and wrong in a way that benefits mafia. Mafia wants to get the powerful roles, and the will try to get them. Anything beyond this is WIFOM. We can build a list of roles that the mafia will likely try to obtain, and have town go after those roles. If a townie and a mafia try to get the same role, town wins: The ratio of mafia to townies is 1/4, so if we send one townie to block a role that the mafia want, we only allocate 1/4 of the manpower that the mafia has to in order to try for the role, and they have no better chance of getting that power than the townie does. This is very similar to the reason that 1-1 trades work well. I'm not saying that we should not go for pro-town roles, but that we need to also go for anti town roles. We have a manpower advantage over the mafia, and we should utilize it. Compound this with the fact that node states his opinions very tentatively, and you've got yourself an FOS: node. Let me put it this way. There are over twenty roles with the power to kill. There are 7 - 10 (depending on how you define them) with the ability to kill or give somebody else the power to kill every cycle. There are at least 5 roles that are only powerful when used by the mafia. If you think we can realistically keep all of those out of the hands of the mafia, well, there's not much I can do for you. I think the courses that the other PYP games took show that it's pretty hard to make things go according to plan, and those had closer to 25 roles as opposed to the ~65 available here. Which is why I think it's important that instead of limiting the choices of the mafia (because they have enough choices that it's almost pointless to try aside from a select few really really powerful roles), it would be better to maximize the powers the town would have to work with. | ||
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I do think that it's a good idea to "forbid" a select few roles that are blatantly anti-town. However, I don't think it's really necessary to spell these out, since we're all smart enough to know that if Prince o' Darkness is rolechecked we've got scum on our hands. Also, is there anywhere we can see the numbers people have previously picked for the draft? I looked through the previous OPs, and they have the draft orders, but not the numbers themselves. | ||
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On May 15 2011 12:49 Kavdragon wrote: So... According to the OP the day posts come at 04:00 GMT (+00:00), which was about 2 hours ago. The way I understood the above post was that you would be posting the draft order 2 hours ago, right? Is it late, or should I expect it tomorrow? Offtopic, but you may have set your time zone wrong, as Ver is using the [ time] function. | ||
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I picked [9][1]. I guess I'm not the only one who likes lucky number 9. | ||
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On May 15 2011 13:43 Kavdragon wrote: So far I have: 1. Flamewheel 2. Scamp [7][11] 3. Caller 4. Barundar 5. Radfield 6. GMarshal 7. Deconduo 8. Foolishness 9. bumatlarge 10. Kavdragon [2][1] 11. Chaoser [2][x] 12. Fishball 13. KillerSOS 14. Eiii [6][x] 15. Infinitestory [6][10] 16. Dreamflower [4][1] 17. Mr.Wiggles [4][x] 18. Original Name[4][6] 19. tnkted [4][12] 20. Chezinu 21. Ace [9][9] 22. Kurumi [9][x] 23. Incognito[9][x] 24. Node [9][1] 25. kitaman27 [9][1] Just to note, this list isn't going to help all that much now, but hopefully later on after some mafia flip, we will be able to analyse the drafting behaviors. How do you figure that Ace picked [9][9]? | ||
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On May 16 2011 16:17 Scamp wrote: Why are you so sure, hmmmm? Also are you suggesting we should be looking at at least one person who picked a low first number? Basically, mafia could be anywhere on the list, and it would be foolish to assume that we can find mafia based on the numbers that are picked until we've actually deduced a pattern by killing mafia. The only thing that's even remotely safe to say is that mafia numbers probably wouldn't overlap, but even then that's pure WIFOM. Also, since Kurumi is the first person to get a vote, I'll say what I think of him. In TL Mafia XXXIX he got lynched day 1 because his posts were often confusing due to his lack of English skills and then even if you did figure out what he was trying to say it had little to no bearing on the game. That time, he was a townie. I do think after that experience he's smart enough to not do the same thing again, but just be aware that even though Kurumi can be confusing at times, it's not necessarily an indication that he's scum. Let's try to look for the intentions behind his posts instead. I would like to hear his thoughts now that roles have been handed out. | ||
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On May 16 2011 16:17 Scamp wrote: Also are you suggesting we should be looking at at least one person who picked a low first number? This looked like a more general question. Yes, I realize there's a "you" there, but a) it's relevant to how we collectively proceed and b) I don't see what you have to gain by having a specific person answer it. | ||
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On May 17 2011 08:44 deconduo wrote: Actually I think lynching me isn;t a bad idea. I have a feeling I'm a mole. Also I didn't get any role so I don't mind too much. I have no problem with giving people what they ask for. ##Vote deconduo | ||
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On May 17 2011 09:22 deconduo wrote: Drop it like its hot? Back on track, I think scamp is pretty good lynch today. He's scummy in my eyes. Why? | ||
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On May 17 2011 13:21 Ace wrote: What chaoser is saying I think, is that if you go around trying to press everyone it's no longer really pressure. None of the cases are strong and you're trying to get reactions out of things that aren't a basis for reaction. So when people read the thread all they see is you throwing mass FoS around. You know who likes to do that? Scum. Under the basis of "scumhunting" by pointing fingers everywhere and hoping a band wagon forms. Checkmate. I thought you were playing Connect 4? | ||
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On May 17 2011 16:32 Barundar wrote: Great. Now it's 10 different people. You know if town sits and throws around random votes, mafia is going to do it as well, right? FoS: Caller And by doing this, you've continued the cycle! We could do this forever, man! | ||
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The only game I've played with him was Survivor Amazon, but quality posts and analysis wasn't exactly the name of the game there. I clicked through his history from TL Mafia XXX and earlier and while I didn't see anything stellar, he at least seemed to be, you know, playing. I have to think that he's smarter than he's letting on. | ||
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On May 18 2011 00:31 Kavdragon wrote: @Ace/Caller/everyone else. My strategy early game of using bad arguments was because of the lack of information to start with. I don't think that there is any point to continuing this sort of play at this point in the game, so I'll stop. Barundar had a good point: We pressured some people for the first half of the day, but it's time to consolidate targets. The time for lightly pointing fingers is over. It's time for votes to go down. On May 18 2011 03:18 Kavdragon wrote: How do you suggest that we get more information then, Ace? The way I see it, the only people generating discussion (and thus information) have been pestered by you from the start, and you haven't been helping get ANY information. What am i supposed to think? How come when Ace says basically the same thing as you, you're immediately all up in arms? Anywho, I've been thinking about deconduo. Before the roles are handed out, he talks about picking a "fun" role and not following any specific plan. Later he says that he's a vanilla townie. I'm thinking that he just didn't get a role and is hella bored because of it. I'm going to unvote him for now. | ||
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On May 18 2011 05:57 Chezinu wrote: Fine, Node if you really want to understand me, here are two short games you can read: Mini-mafia 2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=105463 Mini-mafia 3 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=110026 Thank you sir. I can only look forward to whatever antics you'll no doubt get up to. On May 18 2011 07:02 bumatlarge wrote: Screw it all chaoser is scum. Im leaving my vote on and if you want to lynch scum you'll help me. He's not posting like hes blue because its PYPInsane; you dont get to be able to have that excuse. He's scum. I'd love to analyze him but all his scummy posts are discussing what he can do with his scumbuddies to win the game in one night. Actually, I agree with this. Look at how chaoser played XXXIX. From the very beginning, he was decisive, he pegged mafia, and wasn't at all afraid to put everything out there. In this game, he looks cautious and withdrawn, which is the opposite of the chaoser I know and love. Even if he didn't have time to make extensive analysis, he'd at least be willing to give us his thoughts. I don't even think he's taken a solid stance on anything this game. Just a weak attempt at "applying pressure" on GMarshal. ##Vote chaoser | ||
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I also think that it's incredibly foolish to think that you can get people to vote in the way you described just because you asked for it. That is what you're asking, right? I realize that ideally the vote rigger sets it up that way, but as you said there's no guarantee that he's both in the game and willing to follow orders. I'd be willing to go along with it if everybody else is, but I feel that without the vote rigger using his ability it's far too easy for mafia to just shift a vote or two and both lynch an innocent and dodge the DT. I am curious as to why you're making GMarshal the person who actually gets lynched. I would much rather see chaoser or Barundar die at the end of the day. | ||
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At the very least, we've got a pretty good split for the vote-checker. | ||
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On May 18 2011 16:46 Barundar wrote: I'd add suspicious votes to the list and remove node and tnkted. I now find you suspicious simply because you don't think I'm worth the alignment check. I'll freely admit that I haven't been playing particularly well and could easily be justified for a wide variety of night actions. I'm highly suspicious of chaoser and deconduo. I know damn well that they both can play better than they have been. Chaoser especially I expect more out of. Frankly, I liked chaoser more than any of the other three lynch candidates yesterday, but I didn't want to see Incognito get lynched and thought that the argument against Kav was better than the one against Barundar. I've also been thinking about infinitestory a bit. He's got a lot of posts, and while none of them seem anti-town, looking back through they rarely actually do much of anything. Jury's still out, here. Ace is, as usual, difficult to read. I don't think that he's been playing very pro-town. On the other hand, every game that I've observed of him being scum (which I believe is all of them, actually) I've seen him take a much more proactive role. He's the best candidate out there for an alignment check, IMO. | ||
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On May 19 2011 13:43 Foolishness wrote: if copycat is in the mafia hands, as everyone expects, they aren't going to claim Seeing what happened to Scamp, I wouldn't blame them if they're town and don't claim. | ||
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On May 19 2011 13:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: And guys, I'd just like to let you all know I'm king today too. :p Ain't that something. We still get the standard lynch in addition to yours, right? | ||
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On May 19 2011 14:00 infinitestory wrote: What is this supposed to mean? If you were king yesterday, you would have been forced to publicly lynch someone, and that clearly didn't happen. The first king would be chosen Night 1. And there's a different king every day. You are the Kingmaker, the power behind the throne. Every night you must send me a Private Message with a list of names to be made king. The highest person on the list not to be killed will be made king. The King will not be informed of who you are. You also can not choose any player you already made King unless you cannot fulfill your role otherwise (i,e only a few people are left whom you've all made king). You can't nominate yourself to be King either under any circumstances. The King is essentially a day vigilante who must type ##lynch player at some point during the day to kill someone. If the king's vote is bought by the politician, the politician also controls the king's lynch. Power behind the throne, neh? | ||
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On May 19 2011 14:19 Foolishness wrote: We could make it even more obvious then "vote check kit for finding mafia only". Or something. You raise a valid point but I think the copycat should remain hidden if they are town. If mafia can't get KP to go through they probably won't be able to survive long. If inventor fell into mafia's hands they will be inventing things that would only help them (i.e. here's a gun you must shoot or something). Of course your argument still applies here as well. I don't know. Well, keep in mind that the receiver of the item gets the truthful description of how it works. Presumably if the inventor was smart enough to give an invention to a town player the recipient could post how it works so that we don't have to rely on an ambiguous title. I think that we're getting off-track with this discussion, though, considering that we have no idea whether or not a) the copycat is in existence or b) whether they care if the town knows if they're red or not. | ||
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He's done nothing of consequence. He's maybe tickled Incognito a couple of times, but the majority of his posts do two things: 1) Complain. 2) Nothing. Here's his latest big ol' post. + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2011 12:05 Foolishness wrote: I'm bored of listening to lazy plans of how blue roles are going to win us the game while people like Radfield slowly get others (scamp, deconduo) to claim their role in the thread. I almost feel like we should all just mass claim at this point to at least try to coordinate our blues instead of just hoping they do what we want while mafia probe people in the thread to figure out who to kill. At the end of the day yesterday, I just thought Incognito had a bad case of Pyrrhuloxitis and wasn't really mafia, since to me some of his arguments against Kav were lol. So I didn't change my vote off of him until the end, but I lost track of time because I was watching proleague. Shit happens. Now I'm not sure what to think anymore. At the very least, Incog's attitude does not help the town in the current situation so I will still be voting him unless new information surfaces. And frankly, I doubt anything new will come up. If the vote checker checks some list (as planned) would you have them claim the results even if they aren't damning? We all know mafia spread out votes as much as possible, so they will probably get a 1/5 people are mafia in one of the lists. Well big freaking deal since we got a 1/5 chance of randomly killing a mafia with a lynch anyways. I fail to see how vote checking is going to get us anywhere tomorrow. This game has lots of good players, mafia aren't going to be stupid and lose because of a vote check. If nobody else is going to try to do some normal, mafia analysis, we might as well just throw in the towel now. These vote checks which are going to return 1/5 are mafia aren't going to help anything until day 4 when we get a bunch more vote checks to properly nab the mafia. Game will probably be close to over by then. Ace, you are the one who said we didn't have much to talk about, and already had the max (or close to max) amount of information we could possibly get from day 1 prodding. I don't even expect you to still be reading this post. But if you want to sit around with your gun and let people like Radfield and Incognito mess up the town that's your deal. I got better things to do. It's a classic case of saying a lot while not actually saying anything. He champions analysis while doing none of his own, he shoots down the vote checker plan that nobody's been attempting for a day, he prods ace and says that he's got better things to do, but what those would be is anyone's guess. The only concrete contribution that Foolishness has had to the game is his frequent needling of Incognito. It all boils down to, "Incognito wants to win with blues but no analysis", which, granted, would be a bad thing if that was what Incognito wanted. He's constantly been saying "analysis good, do analysis", but has yet to become the change he wants to see. What raises my suspicions even more is that people are willing to say that he's worth defending (hint: he's not). People that I currently don't trust have been softly aligning themselves with Foolishness for reasons that I don't understand. For instance, Mr. Wiggles has Foolishness on his protect list here: + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2011 16:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ok then, here's my thoughts for tonight: Role-Checks: These are the people who, at the moment, it would be a good idea to check their role. If scum got any of the first queue spots, they're likely to have taken a strong scum role from the no-pick list. Flamewheel Scamp Caller Barundar Radfield GMarshal Alignment Checks: These are the people I find somewhat suspicious, or who it would be nice to have an alignment check on. Barundar Node Tnkted Incognito Radfield Ace Vig-Hit: Deconduo I'm thinking he's VI, maybe mafia Hero, either way he isn't helping town, and I don't want to waste a lynch on him later. Debatable. Medic list: These are the people I think ought to be protected. Either they're acting pro-town already, or have good potential to help town day 2. Caller bumatlarge Radfield Incognito Flamewheel Foolishness This is just a summary of my thoughts at the moment. Disagree? Want to add? Just cause it's night doesn't mean we need to shut up. quoth Radfield: On May 17 2011 04:59 Radfield wrote: I agree with everything Foolishness is saying. Radfield also has Foolishness on his protect list here: + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2011 19:19 Radfield wrote: So much for 100% eh Incog.... On the bright side, this lynch hopefully gives us oodles of information down the line, once incog and Barundars alignment flips. On another bright note, Incognito won't get targeted by mafia tonight, so in the event he is town he'll probably survive the night. Unless of course a townie shoots him, but if that's the case so be it. Mr. Wiggles, I very much disagree with your rolecheck list. There is a list of roles in this game that no townie should be caught dead with, so we want to use our rolechecks to try and ascertain alignment. Checking the people at the top of the list gives us very little information regarding their alignment. The top 6/7 all have an excellent excuse(whether legit or not) for taking an anti-town role. No one else on the list has that excuse. Anyone with a role check should be looking at whomever they think is scummy lower down on the list. If they have a scummy role(a role on the no-pick list) then they're probably mafia. I really hope someone does an alignment check on Barundar. Even setting aside my suspicions, he was assigned caller gf or cpr doc, so knowing his alignment is very important. Other players worth an alignment check: Flamewheel Infinitestory? Incognito Mr. Wiggles Chaoser dreamflower Players worth some medic protection: Radfield Bum Caller Ace - probably won't get picked off though foolishness - if town he likely has a defensive role anyways GMarshall - there are heaps of suspicion on him, so he is unlikely to get hit Scamp, as inventor, should get a skiff of medic protection Anyone else dying wouldn't be terrible at this point. I'd like to stress that flamewheel doesn't belong on any medic lists, or townie lists. He has done very little to contribute to the town this game. Besides, assuming he is telling the truth about JOAT, I'm pretty sure he can protect himself if he wants to. Inventor(Scamp) should be passing the vote-list checks either to whomever they have the strongest pro-town read on. Chaoser, despite finishing his interviews(his pre-tuesday excuse) still ended up contributing basically zero to the discussion. Simply popped in and voted Incog. Pick it up Chaoser. + Show Spoiler + Incog, you fooled me the first game I ever played. I was sure you were pro-town, but instead you dominated town, took control, and lead mafia to victory with about 5 members left over. Something flamewheel hosted... XXI maybe? + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2011 13:03 Kavdragon wrote: Also, since I won't be able to post this after my death: All newer players, please take note of the fact that Incog, Ace, and Caller all read me wrong. Vet's are not as good as anyone thinks, including themselves. The only thing you should be afraid of is their egos. ##Vote Foolishness | ||
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On May 20 2011 02:45 tnkted wrote: no, I was just going from this: I've never played a game with an inventor, but a clever player could probably use an item in different ways, beyond what it was intended for. ver, is this true? can you misuse inventor's items? Inventor At night you can invent anything you feel like. Give someone a gun with 1 bullet, give someone more bullets, a med-kit, a detective kit, a telephone or whatever else you can think of. PM me what you want to invent and what player you want to give it to. Of course if you're invention is totally game breaking I won't allow it and you have to invent something else. Be creative ^_^. You can't give yourself anything, and you must tell me how your invention works so I can PM the other player (you cannot trick them to how the invention works). In the Day post there will be a message letting everyone know what was invented, but not who it was given to. You can only invent the same thing (or something very similar) once, and each invention can only be used once by the target. Lastly, you can only give one invention to each player until the remaining alive players have all received an invention. It sure doesn't seem like there's any "room for interpretation" with inventions. Out of the five people on the Kav voting list, I'm most willing to believe that Chezinu is scum. But now I'm completely unsure about Incognito. I didn't think scum would be willing to risk choosing America, but at the same time I feel that it's extremely anti-town to force three kills in one day, especially when Chezinu might have died by Wiggles' hand, without discussing it at all in public. And if Chezinu is scum, then we've got the mother of all WIFOMs on our hands as we wonder whether or not Incog bussed him -- and because we know (provided GMarshal's not in on this) there's another scum on that list, we'll lynch blindly and waste who knows how many days. I can't take this move as being good for the town. Therefore, Incognito just got a lot more scummy to me. | ||
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I'm not getting a very positive read on Flamewheel, but I don't feel comfortable saying that he should die. He hasn't been posting enough, period, but the posts he has made are giving me a pro-town vibe. Wigggles did have a good point in that Incognito hasn't done much lately in the way of hunting scum, just calling people town, and I agree with Ace that using America the way he did was not a pro-town move. However, I think overall Incognito has had a net-positive effect on the town, but made a couple of bad decisions on the way. There are people out there far more scummy than him, IMO (*cough* Foolishness *cough*). I'm unsure why Meapak thinks that I would be the best lynch, and it's weird how he comes off a little desperate for it. (please, Wiggles, don't kill KillerSOS, lynch node! i'm begging you!) | ||
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Wiggles, if you do decide to shoot me, give me 5 minutes advance notice? I promise I'm not a politician. GMarshal, why are you so sure that I'm scum? | ||
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I'm the Copycat. Meaning that I now have the Inventor role. If you look towards the beginning of the day, I drop a couple of hints that I have the role. I'm happy to invent whatever town-oriented things you like. I have an idea that you may find useful, but first don't shoot me. | ||
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I picked Copycat because I figured that Mafia would pick Thief over Copycat, so it was likely I would get the role. Also, I was really low in the draft order, and people higher up are more likely to die first (which happened), so there was a good chance that I would get a decent role and be able to conceal it (which didn't happen). | ||
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Bus Driver Twice per game, you get to switch all actions on two players. For example, if the Bus Driver switches A and B, where A and B are players, and A is killed and B is role checked, A will be role checked and B will be killed instead. You may not bus drive yourself. If you are LSB, your action may randomly fail because physics just aren't that reliable. If you are RebirthofLegend, you can bus drive yourself. If you are tnkted, you may repeatedly bug me with questions until you get the answer you want. I'm thinking it was a bus driver -- wouldn't it have said that Incog launched the nuke at flamewheel if he was controlled by the politician? | ||
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On May 22 2011 07:30 deconduo wrote: If I die tonight, read my posts. Theres method to my madness, seriously. And FOS kitaman, probably worth a lynch. I agree with the FOS. Kitaman hasn't shown himself to be on the town's side at all. | ||
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And whether or not I agree with deconduo has no bearing on the fact that you're extraordinarily scummy. | ||
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I gave my item to bumatlarge. If he doesn't use it today, lynch him. | ||
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