On April 11 2011 06:34 M0nsterChef wrote: ##Vote: Gmarshal
who the hell is this and why is he voting for me? He has no posts in the thread, right?
Inactive list Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- lurking Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, votes for gmarshall without posting. Serejai- no posts since sign up
If we did go for a lurker, maybe we could do in M0nsterChef. It's really suspicious to vote relatively early without posing. If he showed up red, it could mean Marshal is red.
On April 11 2011 07:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i have a plan and a reason for doing what i do ok trust me mac daddy
curiously town lynched takster on a phrase just like this in insane 2. Did you read the part of my campaign where I tell people to provide reasons? Specifically the part about we ignore people who don't explain their reasons?
On April 11 2011 06:34 M0nsterChef wrote: ##Vote: Gmarshal
who the hell is this and why is he voting for me? He has no posts in the thread, right?
Inactive list Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- lurking Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, votes for gmarshall without posting. Serejai- no posts since sign up
If we did go for a lurker, maybe we could do in M0nsterChef. It's really suspicious to vote relatively early without posing. If he showed up red, it could mean Marshal is red.
Yeah i think it's an easy lynch and if he is red we have a huge advantage, can't really see anyone else i 100% want to lynch except pandain.
There is a reason why I put up my analysis of Protact first. Dr.H is a good player and it would be unwise to eliminate him so quickly. Same could be said of Protact. But protact actually has a shot at getting into power right now, and that's not good. People need to unvote him, cause there is a good risk that he is red, and that on top of all the other reasons mentioned makes him a bad choice for office.
If elected (yes, I'm still running), i will lynch an inactive still. They are the people we can't analyse, and that is what I will be teaching, pushing and doing.
On April 11 2011 07:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i have a plan and a reason for doing what i do ok trust me mac daddy
curiously town lynched takster on a phrase just like this in insane 2. Did you read the part of my campaign where I tell people to provide reasons? Specifically the part about we ignore people who don't explain their reasons?
On April 11 2011 07:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i have a plan and a reason for doing what i do ok trust me mac daddy
curiously town lynched takster on a phrase just like this in insane 2. Did you read the part of my campaign where I tell people to provide reasons? Specifically the part about we ignore people who don't explain their reasons?
yeah i read it i just didn't care
Cool, I'll continue to ignore any of your posts that fail to provide reasoning then ^_^
As part of my plan to help newer people out, I present the first part of my guide to analysis. I was hoping to post this after i had finished the whole thing, but it would seem that we could use it already.
Over the my past four games, I've had the opporunity to participate with scum teams twice. The experiance of being on a scum team was really helpful in identifying ways of finding scum, because I got to know how scum teams work; the challenges they are faced with, the reasons why scum still act scummy even though they know to avoid it, and so forth. Now that I'm not scum, I'd like to pass these things on. So without further ado, here's my two cents on scum.
#1: Know your enemy: If you want to figure out how to find scum, you have to see things from their perspective.
When I first started playing mafia, I was confused how a scumtell would ever work. If there was such a thing as a scum tell, why wouldn't mafia just NOT do that thing? I didn't understand why mafia would NOT participate as much as the town, or why they would try to not contribute, while looking like they really are. Then I got on a scum team, and i figured it out: Scum tells are things that are extremely difficult to avoid even when you know about them.
When you are on a scum team, there are two key factors that alter your play: You are on a team, and you know who is scum. These are both things that you cannot avoid. Because of this, scum tells can be built off of them. Because you are on a team, you will be talking to the other members of your team. This takes away a significant portion of your time, especially if you had team members that were as funny as mine were. Beginner scum players want to look like they are contributing because they are not good at hiding a lack of contribution yet, so they actually try to contribute. Unfortunately they don't have as much time to evaluate what is happening and what is the best plan for town at the moment. Because of this, they fall back on giving general advice, and give no real opinions on the current situation. Better/Veteran scum players actually try to look like they are contributing, but are really good at hiding the fact that they aren't. Activity can be increased to accommodated this, or excuses can be given for not contributing as much, so it can be somewhat unreliable, but it is still a good hint to work off of. (Especially when you are dealing with older players)
The second difference between you and scum is that they know who is scum. Obvious, no? But it has implications that are ridiculously hard to shake. When you are scum, it's really, hard to form opinions on who looks scummy. I don't mean that it's hard to say "Incog looks scummy". I mean that it's hard to actually believe that someone looks/is scum, because you know that they aren't. This is compounded by the fact that you talking to your scum buddies when you otherwise would be going over people's posts trying to figure out who looks scummy.
To recap, the things you are looking for are a lack of contribution, and a lack of clear opinions (especially when it comes to the alignment of someone). What does this look like? Well, the lack of contribution for new scum players will look like people posting a lot of one liners and other stuff that shows that they are there, but aren't actually contributing new ideas/opinions to the discussion. If there's a player that's just sitting around posting things like "I agree" or making non-committal statements about the situation, there's a large chance they are doing something else. It makes no sense for a townie to be around posting on the thread all day but not spending time to contribute. As players get better, the lack of contribution becomes harder to spot. Some will disguise it with relevant and helpful information. On the surface it looks like they are helping people out, but if the knowledge is common, then what have they helped with? Nothing. I'm not an advanced scum player by any means and I've not played with any, so I can't inform you as well as I'd like in this area, but ask foolishness if you have more questions.
The lack of strong opinions of people is one of my favorite ways to hunt scum, because I know how hard it is to avoid it as scum. It usually manifests itself in contradiction, and will something like this: A player says that Qatol looks really scummy, and then a day later votes Qatol for mayor. When you are scum, you're thinking about what will be beneficial for your team, so you will support a lynch at one point, then forgot that you did, and say something contradictory later. A player says that they have a town read on someone, and then a while later they vote for their lynch without giving a reason for the change of mind. Contradictions like these are awesome when you catch them. Another one: Someone says that the mayor is overrated, and not that powerful, and proceeds to talk about nothing other than the mayor for the next day.
The next section is on analysis and arguing/pushing for your target.
On April 11 2011 04:51 The_Roist wrote: I've never seen a game get so worked up over a ninja/witch hunt before. Never one that the town has won anyway...
We always brawl on day 1.
Do you guys? Its my first time playing Mafia with TL, you guys are far more...aggressive? Then the guys i'm used to playing with.
Just don't lurk and you should be fine ^_^
Thoughts on the mayor race?
If past experience is anything to go on, anyone who wants to be mayor is probably scum or ninja, the best mayors come from others suggesting: if scum put friends in office, rolechecks really ruin their day. Thats what i'll say right now.
Other notes: My mafia.txt is filling up rather fast, you guys are kind of rude but it makes for an interesting game so I don't mind too much. but its maybe not the best first impression on real first timers...
Kav, are you aware that there is a guide that pretty much covers that?
Also I hate to say this, but that is a major example of a noncontributing post that looks like a fucking huge wall of text imo, because it is actualy irrelevant to the current situation, it in no way helps the newbies choose a mayor or make any major decisions at the moment.
I applaud the effort though, and I agree with the majority of the ideas contained therein
On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote: I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote?
What you are not allowed to do is vote without providing reasoning. Why do you think I deserve the role over, say Kav?
On April 11 2011 07:29 The_Roist wrote: Other notes: My mafia.txt is filling up rather fast, you guys are kind of rude but it makes for an interesting game so I don't mind too much. but its maybe not the best first impression on real first timers...
THIS DR.H. THIS is what I was talking about. I don't care if you have a plan. We are already looking at a huge inactives list. Thank god we have a few replacements, but for the love of the TLMafia community, stop being so negative!
On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote: I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote?
No, but it looks highly suspicious that you don't post any thoughts/opinions (or anything at all really) since the game has started, and then come in and vote.
On April 11 2011 07:29 The_Roist wrote: Other notes: My mafia.txt is filling up rather fast, you guys are kind of rude but it makes for an interesting game so I don't mind too much. but its maybe not the best first impression on real first timers...
THIS DR.H. THIS is what I was talking about. I don't care if you have a plan. We are already looking at a huge inactives list. Thank god we have a few replacements, but for the love of the TLMafia community, stop being so negative!
i'll kill your entire fucking family
j/k
I know that. I think I've done about as much damage as I can at this point so I'll slink into the shadows and try to play cool now. i like to shit it up on day 1 to see how people react so I get a better idea of where everyone really stands. The more unreasonable I get, the more unreasonable the mafia gets, but I think now is a good time to cut the act.
On April 11 2011 07:33 GMarshal wrote: Kav, are you aware that there is a guide that pretty much covers that?
Also I hate to say this, but that is a major example of a noncontributing post that looks like a fucking huge wall of text imo, because it is actualy irrelevant to the current situation, it in no way helps the newbies choose a mayor or make any major decisions at the moment.
I applaud the effort though, and I agree with the majority of the ideas contained therein
Yeah, but I didn't like the guide, and I wanted to show people that I actually care enough that I'll write up a guide out of my own experiences. This both shows my experience, makes me accountable to my skill level, and helps people.
Anyone can send a link to a guide. Besides, if I point them out of the thread, it's doing nothing to repair the damage that had been done already.
Like I said. I know it looks scummy. I don't care what it looks like if it helps the town. I'm not doing anything that is hurting the town with my plan, unlike Dr.H. Honestly, think about it. We are at 44 pages already.
On April 11 2011 07:29 The_Roist wrote: Other notes: My mafia.txt is filling up rather fast, you guys are kind of rude but it makes for an interesting game so I don't mind too much. but its maybe not the best first impression on real first timers...
THIS DR.H. THIS is what I was talking about. I don't care if you have a plan. We are already looking at a huge inactives list. Thank god we have a few replacements, but for the love of the TLMafia community, stop being so negative!
i'll kill your entire fucking family
j/k
I know that. I think I've done about as much damage as I can at this point so I'll slink into the shadows and try to play cool now. i like to shit it up on day 1 to see how people react so I get a better idea of where everyone really stands. The more unreasonable I get, the more unreasonable the mafia gets, but I think now is a good time to cut the act.
On April 11 2011 07:23 GMarshal wrote: curiously town lynched takster on a phrase just like this in insane 2. Did you read the part of my campaign where I tell people to provide reasons? Specifically the part about we ignore people who don't explain their reasons?
Was a hell of a plan no??
On April 11 2011 07:24 redFF wrote:Yeah i think it's an easy lynch and if he is red we have a huge advantage, can't really see anyone else i 100% want to lynch except pandain.
And it's deliciously ironic that this post immediately followed.
EPT
