EPTDr.H/Tnkted
Dr. H/Gmarshal
Tnkted/Dr.H
##Vote Dr. Helvetica
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
Dr.H/Tnkted Dr. H/Gmarshal Tnkted/Dr.H ##Vote Dr. Helvetica | ||
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AirbladeOrange
United States2573 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:32 redFF wrote: We need people who are obviously not going to be elected to either do a large post to cement their bid for mayor with solid reasoning or to withdraw their bids. It seems like the only people have have a chance at winning all fit this description. Do you care to call anyone out or elaborate your thoughts? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:34 M0nsterChef wrote: ##Vote: Gmarshal This guy is voting without posting. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:33 Mr. Wiggles wrote: My picks for mayor: Dr.H/Tnkted Dr. H/Gmarshal Tnkted/Dr.H ##Vote Dr. Helvetica Forgot assassin. I'd be willing to let him in as pardoner, but not mayor. Dr.H/protac | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:34 AirbladeOrange wrote: It seems like the only people have have a chance at winning all fit this description. Do you care to call anyone out or elaborate your thoughts? It's more for later on in the mayoral race when there are people who still only have 1-2 votes. Kitaman hasn't really had any strong support so far and i haven't really see him argue for his candidacy. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/Vroomfondel/nemy.jpg On April 11 2011 06:29 Robellicose wrote: Going to agree with you here. This just makes mig sooo much more suspicious. Also withdrawing my suspicion from you DocH. Your posts that made me worry have been outweighed by the solid ones since. Also Pandain, if you're going to fake roleclaim, on Day 1 no less, then we can't trust anything you're going to do for the rest of the game really. can we lynch him soon please? I find it interesting you want to lynch someone you don't think is scum. I have a much clearer town read on GMarshal than on DrH, and I find lynching kavdragon day 1 silly. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
List of inactives Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up Thin we have found a newbie mafia? | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
I'm not yet confident in DrH's ability to curb his aggressive impulses. Newbies might not have learned this yet: You don't want someone in a leadership position that throws FoS's around like candy. That's DrH's style, AFAIK; he tries to provoke responses from people by accusing them, which provides valuable fodder for analysis by other players. However, you don't want somebody like that in a leadership position. Why? Because everyone isn't online at once. You might have people that are online at the same time as DrH who bandwagon with his votes, only to find out when they log in after the day flips that they voted for somebody DrH had provoked and who had proved themselves town. Mayor needs to be restrained. Besides, his scum reads so far haven't been very convincing to me. MiB has been playing like a typical newbie, and Kav opens almost every game like he has this one. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:37 Barundar wrote: In loving memory: I find it interesting you want to lynch someone you don't think is scum. I have a much clearer town read on GMarshal than on DrH, and I find lynching kavdragon day 1 silly. why is it silly what about mib why do you think gmarshal is town? | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:38 redFF wrote: List of inactives Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up Thin we have found a newbie mafia? M0nsterChef - No posts since day 1, proceeds to vote without posting, never played mafia on tl before. | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
Protactinium is Red. Dr.H is Red. First and foremost, don't let anyone fool you into thinking that the mayor is a unimportant role. It's EXTREMELY powerful, and VERY helpful to the town. This is a problem for the scum team, so they need a plan to bring it down quickly. So what do you do? First, you try to get a member into the office. It doesn't matter WHICH spot because they are both told the names of the bodyguards, and it doesn't matter HOW it's done, because the person put into that seat will be a sacrifice. Letting one of 8 members die is an excellent trade if you knock out the mayor, and secure the pardoner's role for it. As a bonus you can knock out most, if not all meaningful discussion the first day. Now how can this be done? Have one member claim assassin, have another intimidating member bully and be extremely negative of everyone else running for mayor. My case for Protactinium v1.0 Protactinium has done only one thing so far, and that is announce and defend his Assassin claim Gambit. An interesting, and somewhat appealing plan at first glance, but upon deeper inspection doesn't make sense. I know that Protact is a VERY skilled scum player. He's a good player all around. This gambit of his is a huge risk, because he doesn't know if town will let him in. If he played it quietly, he'd have a better chance than most. He says he came up with a new way to try to survive: become pardoner. It makes sense for a little bit, because that spot is protected. But there's a problem: As he has said multiple times, he wants to use this to get into the endgame, where he can throw his last hammer and then be done. It would work if the mayor lived that long, but to quote foolishness, "Mayors have a pretty high mortality rate". He wants to hid behind bodyguards, but look how fast they fell in insane! Over all, there is SOME validity to the strategy, but not NEARLY enough for someone of Protact's skill level to try it. It's not his level of play. It doesn't make sense. On the other hand, what if he's Red? It'll become apparent enough pretty quickly, and he'll die. So that makes no sense, right? WRONG. There are 8 players on the scum team, and the mayor is a very powerful role. You can cause TONS of havoc from this position, and if you play it right, you might even be able to survive for a few days and stop a lynch. It doesn't even matter if the lynch was going to kill a townie or mafia, because when you flip, people will see that mafia stopped a lynch, and that person is sure to be lynched again. This saves them a whole day either way. This is EXACTLY the level of play I would expect out of an excellent scum player. Before you say that Mafia wouldn't sacrifice one of their better players, it's was done before when Protact and BloodyC0bler were playing in XXVIII. Protactinium is SCUM He is my currently on my "to-be-lynched" list, and even if you don't agree with my conclusion that he is definitely scum, you cannot deny that there is a strong possibility, and because of this, he should not be voted into office. No question. My Case for Dr.Helvetica v1.0 I've only played with Dr.H once before, and that was in Salem. It was my first game, and I was subbed in. he played EXTREMELY differently in that game. He was positive, helpful, and gave good insight and ideas freely. This game he has been extremely negative of almost anything suggested. He has used his considerable prowess at being intimidating to bully players, and stomp on very pro-town ideas. On top of that, he has been posting TONS and been pretty spammy about it too. There's a lot of new players, so what better way to scare them off than to drown them with hundreds of posts? On April 10 2011 04:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: kavdragon is saying a lot of useless bullshit trying to appear protown and basically his posts are this: words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words obviously no mafia would say THIS much "pro-town" stuff that everyone already knows amirite ;o???? i'm not buying it. you did this same thing in pokemafia which i hosted Stomping on my attempts to help newer players. On April 10 2011 11:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: so many words gmarshal so many words Stomping on Gmarshal's attempt at running for mayor. On April 10 2011 13:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: no its not a scumtell ill vote in the vote thread im not gonna waste my time posting all my votes in here especially since i tend to switch votes a lot this is dumb. there will be a dedicated vote thread. if you want to know who votes for who, you can read that thread. less clutter here = better Stomping on Tnkted's EXTREMELY PRO TOWN IDEA. All of this is EXTREMELY ANTI-TOWN no matter how you look at it. Everything he is doing is clearly designed to snuff out new people so that we have tons of inactive players. Doc H is a good mafia player, and there's no way that this is not being done on purpose. Doc H is mafia, and he's doing a damn good job of both spamming the thread to pieces, shutting down pro-town ideas, and intimidating new players. These are just a few examples of how he is destroying a pro-town environment in the thread. I think that everyone has seen this for themselves though. He has almost 100 posts and it's not even half way through day 1! He has contradicted himself multiple times with his mayoral campaign (I'm not going to run --> Mayor is unimportant, and i wish it weren't here --> I can't trust ya'll, I'm going to run). The reason why he singled me out so early was because I am dedicated to doing exactly the oposite of what he is trying to do. I will not get sucked into an argument with him that will spam the thread. I will not stop posting good advice for newer players. I know it looks scummy. I don't care. It will help newer people, and that's worth it. If I can mobilize the the masses before i die, i die a happy death. I refuse to stand by while he destroies the learning environment I am trying to build up. DoctorHelvetica is SCUM | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:22 BrownBear wrote: This is already starting to get too personal for my liking, particularly in the attacks on Pandain. Please manner up, guys, and stop insulting each others' intelligence, just keep arguments focused on the game. stupid host ruining our fun. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
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AirbladeOrange
United States2573 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:38 redFF wrote: List of inactives Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up Thin we have found a newbie mafia? I'd say it's highly unlikely the mafia is mostly inactive people. Lurking or being inactive doesn't really indicate you are town, mafia, or an assassin. It just either means you are not paying much attention to the game or you don't really know what to do. It's always worth keeping track of who is lurking but I don't really see a lurker as a threat we can say should be lynched soon. I'm more concerned about active people are are trying to deceive the town. I'm moderately suspicious of Dr. H. still just because of how he came right out the the gate a little bit crazy. Kavdragon, as I mentioned earlier, started out seeming like town but seems to get more and more suspicious as the game goes on. Now he is just throwing around accusations that I don't fully understand. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
On April 11 2011 06:29 Robellicose wrote: Going to agree with you here. This just makes mig sooo much more suspicious. Also withdrawing my suspicion from you DocH. Your posts that made me worry have been outweighed by the solid ones since. Also Pandain, if you're going to fake roleclaim, on Day 1 no less, then we can't trust anything you're going to do for the rest of the game really. can we lynch him soon please? Why? I think all my points were accurate. I was trying to give my input into the situation, I don't think I just copied off what others said and I got shit on for supposed bandwagoning. And I think people should be suspicious of anyone who is attacking new players without any evidence. Even if DH is town I think hes going about it the wrong way. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
why is it silly what about mib why do you think gmarshal is town? 1. Because Kav is an active player we will get a better read off later, and who I would hate to mislynch with an "Oooops" day 1. 2. Happy you are pressuring him 3. He is posting actively and openly, in the way I have come to know as his town play. My main concern with GM is whether he can lead the town, right now I'm content with him if we want a town aligned player for mayor. | ||
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