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On April 11 2011 04:51 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 04:44 tnkted wrote:
We can't have protract be mayor. If he plays to his win condition at all, we're left with a mayor who people will constantly second-guess, whose three votes will almost certainly be countered by three switched votes from players who will vote the opposite way of him. In addition, the controversy his every vote will cause will give mafia an excellent opportunity to slip between the cracks and promote conflict in the town. Regardless of whether or not he is the best candidate, electing him would be extremely detrimental to town, if for no other reason than the fact that people are so divided over this.
Personally, I don't think he's actually demonstrated to me that hes really the assassin and not the GF framing himself black. If he's who he says he is, then he is absolutely capable of pulling such a trick over on us. Who could possibly counterclaim? Another assassin? They don't know if he's one of them or not. In fact, if I was the godfather and a vet, this is precisely the strategy I would use to get elected mayor. I'd tell everyone I am 'so sick of mafia, I just want to make this game fun' and I would rely on my reputation to convince people that I know what I'm doing. I think I made clear in the previous earlygame (insane 2) my opinion on relying on reputation when I opposed Kav's mayoral campaign.
However, he is a tried and proven player and an excellent analyzer. As such, I am tempted to keep him alive... but on a leash. He can't be in a position of power, but to lose such an excellent player this early in the game would be pretty painful.
Nonetheless, we are presented with an opportunity here. We have a known target. We can be 100% certain that if we don't elect Protract he is going to be hit tonight.
Tnkted's Plan
We don't elect Protract. Instead, we use him as bait.
Watcher should watch Protract. In the morning, you should post everyone who visited him. Any assassins that visit protract in the night will be revealed to each other (something I'm certain they don't want) and any mafia trying to hit our strongest player will be revealed as well.
Of course, we reveal our watcher in this plan, but is it worth it to the assassins to trade their anonymity for one kill? It would completely end their parts in the game by the second night, and would turn an enjoyable game of lurking in the shadows into certain death.
Thoughts? Three major points, 1, why do we care if protract lives? You just said you think he could be a really ballsy GF, or what he claims, either way we dont care who takes him out. 2, why do we want to reveal assassins again? We should not care about them, and any resources we waste identifying other assassins are resources not spent protecting pro town players/catching scum. 3.) Assassins can't hit night 1 anyway so putting a watcher on him would be a waste unless scum is stupid and hits them. Basicaly, why would we waste resources on him. I've thought better of my intial reaction of offering him medics. If he isn't pro-town then we have no need to expend resources on him. there are only two reasonable positions here, you either think he is going to help the town and vote him in, or you think he won't and just choose to ignore him from here on out and count on assassins hitting him night 2. Any other plan is wasting town resources that we need to catch scum.
1. Because he's a good player. That was the cornerstone of his pitch. I want to keep him alive because hes a good player, and we hold the threat of reveal. When our watcher stops watching him, if we announce it, he is dead that night. He has every reason to share with us his analysis because if he's not doing enough all we have to do is post 'watcher, watch someone else tonight' and he's instantly dead.
2. We don't care if assassins are revealed, but they certainly do. Anyone who tries to hit pandain will be killed by the next night because their identiy will be posted in thread. we are appealing to their sense of self-preservation.
3. We put a medic on him night one (night 1 medics are a guessing game anyway) to keep him from getting hit by scum, and watcher watches other people (or watches protract so two of our blues know each other!).
We're wasting resources on him because he's an excellent player and those are the terms he is demanding. I don't want him to die because hes good. We can use him, we just have to be careful and keep all of the power in our own hands.
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Ya we need a pardoner that says "Whats up Broskis" twice and then gets modkilled like we need scum as mayor.
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On April 11 2011 04:59 Jackal58 wrote:
Ya we need a pardoner that says "Whats up Broskis" twice and then gets modkilled like we need scum as mayor.
Damn straight. As Pardoner I will go with my gut.
Following a lynch, I shall delve into a hardcore analysis(and my analysis are well known for being thought out) and truly decide whether he is worth lynching.
As a Panda Warrior I shall follow the mayor, but not obey him. I shall look up to him, but not be him.
I shall be free.
Vote for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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panadain did you seriously fucking just claim dt right now oh my god you are so bad oh my GOD
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AN ASSASSIN FOR MAYOR WITH PANDAIN HIS RIGHT HAND MAN ROFL
We might as well just fucking give up now.
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On April 11 2011 04:56 Protactinium wrote:So I have said that I want to help the town purely because of fun. You have no way to believe me, correct? Well how about I start proving what I said then. It's day 1, there's plenty of information out there to do some analysis and reveal a plan. There are two ways mafia and/or assassins can react to my campaign. 1) Ignore my post or minimalize it 2) Actively fight against it You can 100% bet that they will not be supporting my candidacy. Assassins in particular must be vocal. Naturally, they do not want me elected whatsoever. In addition assassins and mafia can and will freely attack me because it's very easy to make up some nonsense about why I should not be elected, and lo and behold, a number have already done that. Some will be townie, but I dare say there's a very nice probability that at least half are mafia or assassin. The first point is also interesting. It would be rather unlikely for a townie to look at my candidacy and not have a strong opinion on it one way or another: it's a polarizing issue. You either like it or you don't. We'll cover that in a future post, as it caught a few other suspects. List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin listGmarshal
tnkted
mig
kitaman
Kavdragon
Wiggles
Darmousseh
Dropbear
Robellicose
Coagulation Note that DoctorHelvetica is not on this list even though he is opposing me quite heavily, because he changed his stance over time. Upon seeing my campaign, Mafia and Assassins would instantly think "I don't want this guy in office" and their posts would reflect that. DoctorHelvetica, on the other hand, came in supporting me initially and changed his opnion over time upon reflecting on it more. I suppose this could have been an act but I'd rather go with Occam's Razor for now, making me think he is town. This list will have for certain 1 assassin and highly likely both of them because they cannot let me get into office (yes there are 3 assassins). As the Assassins also know they are on this list, they will also find it very likely that their counterpart will be on the list too. However, this list is going to also have multiple mafia on it. I'm guessing 2-3. Why Mafia? Quite simply, they don't want an invincible double shot vigi and a free rolecheck visible to all, and also, someone who they absolutely cannot manipulate the town to kill. The best part? The assassins only have 1 rolecheck and will have to fire into a group of people that has a high concentration of mafia in order to find their enemy. We can lynch from this list if you want, but tbh we really don't need to. Assassins will sort out the matter themselves or forfeit all chances of winning. Lastly, a lot of people seem to be missing the point of my election, talking about some nonsense of how I might be mafia (LOL) or I won't help the town at all (which as you can see above is patently not true). However, who cares? The main points are: 1) You get TWO vigi hits, aka you double or more the town's non-lynch kp, and a dt check publicly known. This is quite important, as all too often dt's die before revealing any of their findings or are so trapped by fear that they won't reveal anything anyways. 2) You know I'm not mafia, so the town can't blow the game like it has many times in the past by lynching its own elected roles, of which there is a substantial and inherent pull to do.
tnkted is assassin probably
kavdragon/mib are mafia
gmarshal is probably town imo
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kitaman27
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Hey Pandain, remember the last time we elected you as our dt mayor? Good times.
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On April 11 2011 04:56 Pandain wrote:Actually electing Proctat is by far the best move we could do. Think about it: 1. He's not mafia. We know this for a fact. We know that if he fails to either "rolecheck someone" or kill someone extra, then we lynch him. Furthormore, any of the other canidates we DONT KNOW if they ARE mafia. Personally I would prefer not having such a powerful mayor role, but if I had to give it to anyone, it would be proctat. And here is why he would not be anti town: a.)His goal is to kill assasins. This means that he will be going after the scum-esque people, since assasins and mafia will act at least noticably alike in this game, given that they are both hostile to town. At the very least he will be killing the anti town. b.) He will provide us will role checks. c.) HE WILL PROVIDE US WITH TWO CONFIRMED TOWNIES. Here is what I say: Proctat reveal who the two bodyguards are. Given that the OP says that two townies will be chosen, then we can have two confirmed townies. And obviously we know that the Assasins will be gunning for him. And Proctat is like "Wtf, I don't want to reveal my body guards." But this is the PANDAIN PLAN 1.Proctat reveal the two bodyguards. 2. Watchers are HEAVILY advised to visit these people. Obviously there may not be a watcher(even though there likely is.) But the most important thing is that the threat remains the same. This makes it very risky for the other assasins to even attempt to shoot the bodyguards for fear of losing. They will most likely have to wait a couple days, during which we shall have ample time to find them. Proctat will be helping town while still fulfilling his role condition. There is no reason not to vote for him. Furthormore I announce my campaign for Mayor Pardoner. Why I should be pardoner: ![[image loading]](http://cci-inspection.com/cci/images/stories/detective.jpg) I'm a dt. There. Now you guys have to make me it or I diez.... By having such an important blue role be so safe, we can gurantee that I shall help you guys. And if I don't give a true role check, you guys can lynch me. Was this a douche move? Yes. Is it worth it for me? Also yes.
*facepalm*
Why would you ever reveal that you are blue day 1? Theres no way I'm voting for you.
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LOL and he wants protact to reveal the bodyguards
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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On April 11 2011 05:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
LOL and he wants protact to reveal the bodyguards
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Why is this a bad idea?
How about you stop being a douche and instead debate my ideas?
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On April 11 2011 04:56 Pandain wrote:Actually electing Proctat is by far the best move we could do. Think about it: 1. He's not mafia. We know this for a fact. We know that if he fails to either "rolecheck someone" or kill someone extra, then we lynch him. Furthormore, any of the other canidates we DONT KNOW if they ARE mafia. Personally I would prefer not having such a powerful mayor role, but if I had to give it to anyone, it would be proctat. And here is why he would not be anti town: a.)His goal is to kill assasins. This means that he will be going after the scum-esque people, since assasins and mafia will act at least noticably alike in this game, given that they are both hostile to town. At the very least he will be killing the anti town. b.) He will provide us will role checks. c.) HE WILL PROVIDE US WITH TWO CONFIRMED TOWNIES. Here is what I say: Proctat reveal who the two bodyguards are. Given that the OP says that two townies will be chosen, then we can have two confirmed townies. And obviously we know that the Assasins will be gunning for him. And Proctat is like "Wtf, I don't want to reveal my body guards." But this is the PANDAIN PLAN 1.Proctat reveal the two bodyguards. 2. Watchers are HEAVILY advised to visit these people. Obviously there may not be a watcher(even though there likely is.) But the most important thing is that the threat remains the same. This makes it very risky for the other assasins to even attempt to shoot the bodyguards for fear of losing. They will most likely have to wait a couple days, during which we shall have ample time to find them. Proctat will be helping town while still fulfilling his role condition. There is no reason not to vote for him. Furthormore I announce my campaign for Mayor Pardoner. Why I should be pardoner: I'm a dt. There. Now you guys have to make me it or I diez.... By having such an important blue role be so safe, we can gurantee that I shall help you guys. And if I don't give a true role check, you guys can lynch me. Was this a douche move? Yes. Is it worth it for me? Also yes.
Kind of a bad move IMO and probably not very thought out. I think that you saw Protac's post and decided to out yourself as dt. If you are dt then we(the town) are kind of in trouble if you don't get voted in because we lose a dt unless we medic you every night. I have to think about it.
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On April 11 2011 05:05 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
LOL and he wants protact to reveal the bodyguards
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Why is this a bad idea? How about you stop being a douche and instead debate my ideas?
no they're too stupid to even talk about
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i don't want to waste my time because it'll be like insane mafia where i tell you why what you're saying is stupid and you clog up the thread with more stupid and it's just a big waste
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Prot Situation
For Prot
redFF
chaoser
GGQ
urashimakt
DrH -> Was for Prot, now against him
kevconsim
DropBear -> "good point by kita" as only reason, no against prot
kita -> very against prot
wiggles -> late to the party, no to prot
Mig -> no to prot
GMarshal -> no to prot
tnkted -> no to prot
Mig -> no to prot
ON -> didn't say anything about prot, voted GM
Eii -> no to prot
kavdragon -> no to prot
y u reveal about people against you prot before me =[
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On April 11 2011 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 04:56 Protactinium wrote:So I have said that I want to help the town purely because of fun. You have no way to believe me, correct? Well how about I start proving what I said then. It's day 1, there's plenty of information out there to do some analysis and reveal a plan. There are two ways mafia and/or assassins can react to my campaign. 1) Ignore my post or minimalize it 2) Actively fight against it You can 100% bet that they will not be supporting my candidacy. Assassins in particular must be vocal. Naturally, they do not want me elected whatsoever. In addition assassins and mafia can and will freely attack me because it's very easy to make up some nonsense about why I should not be elected, and lo and behold, a number have already done that. Some will be townie, but I dare say there's a very nice probability that at least half are mafia or assassin. The first point is also interesting. It would be rather unlikely for a townie to look at my candidacy and not have a strong opinion on it one way or another: it's a polarizing issue. You either like it or you don't. We'll cover that in a future post, as it caught a few other suspects. List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin listGmarshal
tnkted
mig
kitaman
Kavdragon
Wiggles
Darmousseh
Dropbear
Robellicose
Coagulation Note that DoctorHelvetica is not on this list even though he is opposing me quite heavily, because he changed his stance over time. Upon seeing my campaign, Mafia and Assassins would instantly think "I don't want this guy in office" and their posts would reflect that. DoctorHelvetica, on the other hand, came in supporting me initially and changed his opnion over time upon reflecting on it more. I suppose this could have been an act but I'd rather go with Occam's Razor for now, making me think he is town. This list will have for certain 1 assassin and highly likely both of them because they cannot let me get into office (yes there are 3 assassins). As the Assassins also know they are on this list, they will also find it very likely that their counterpart will be on the list too. However, this list is going to also have multiple mafia on it. I'm guessing 2-3. Why Mafia? Quite simply, they don't want an invincible double shot vigi and a free rolecheck visible to all, and also, someone who they absolutely cannot manipulate the town to kill. The best part? The assassins only have 1 rolecheck and will have to fire into a group of people that has a high concentration of mafia in order to find their enemy. We can lynch from this list if you want, but tbh we really don't need to. Assassins will sort out the matter themselves or forfeit all chances of winning. Lastly, a lot of people seem to be missing the point of my election, talking about some nonsense of how I might be mafia (LOL) or I won't help the town at all (which as you can see above is patently not true). However, who cares? The main points are: 1) You get TWO vigi hits, aka you double or more the town's non-lynch kp, and a dt check publicly known. This is quite important, as all too often dt's die before revealing any of their findings or are so trapped by fear that they won't reveal anything anyways. 2) You know I'm not mafia, so the town can't blow the game like it has many times in the past by lynching its own elected roles, of which there is a substantial and inherent pull to do. tnkted is assassin probably kavdragon/mib are mafia gmarshal is probably town imo
Sigh.
I'm not assassin. Look at protracts logic: anyone that disagrees with his arguments is mafia? Of course not. If I was black or mafia I'd be supporting his campaign along with everyone else because it would let be blend in much better and the tide of public opinion is extremely pro-protract at the moment. Scum doesn't vote for what makes sense to their game-plan unless they absolutely have to. They vote with public opinion because it lets them blend in better. Theres a reason people fear band wagoning so much.
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Protactinium
Its fucking simple. you have a DIFFERENT OBJECTIVE then town.
What the fuck is so hard about that to wrap your head around.
There are a million fucking ways town can be fucked by you if you decide to play for your win condition. Sorry im not buying it you can put me on your little OMGUS list all you want.
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On April 11 2011 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 04:56 Protactinium wrote:So I have said that I want to help the town purely because of fun. You have no way to believe me, correct? Well how about I start proving what I said then. It's day 1, there's plenty of information out there to do some analysis and reveal a plan. There are two ways mafia and/or assassins can react to my campaign. 1) Ignore my post or minimalize it 2) Actively fight against it You can 100% bet that they will not be supporting my candidacy. Assassins in particular must be vocal. Naturally, they do not want me elected whatsoever. In addition assassins and mafia can and will freely attack me because it's very easy to make up some nonsense about why I should not be elected, and lo and behold, a number have already done that. Some will be townie, but I dare say there's a very nice probability that at least half are mafia or assassin. The first point is also interesting. It would be rather unlikely for a townie to look at my candidacy and not have a strong opinion on it one way or another: it's a polarizing issue. You either like it or you don't. We'll cover that in a future post, as it caught a few other suspects. List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin listGmarshal
tnkted
mig
kitaman
Kavdragon
Wiggles
Darmousseh
Dropbear
Robellicose
Coagulation Note that DoctorHelvetica is not on this list even though he is opposing me quite heavily, because he changed his stance over time. Upon seeing my campaign, Mafia and Assassins would instantly think "I don't want this guy in office" and their posts would reflect that. DoctorHelvetica, on the other hand, came in supporting me initially and changed his opnion over time upon reflecting on it more. I suppose this could have been an act but I'd rather go with Occam's Razor for now, making me think he is town. This list will have for certain 1 assassin and highly likely both of them because they cannot let me get into office (yes there are 3 assassins). As the Assassins also know they are on this list, they will also find it very likely that their counterpart will be on the list too. However, this list is going to also have multiple mafia on it. I'm guessing 2-3. Why Mafia? Quite simply, they don't want an invincible double shot vigi and a free rolecheck visible to all, and also, someone who they absolutely cannot manipulate the town to kill. The best part? The assassins only have 1 rolecheck and will have to fire into a group of people that has a high concentration of mafia in order to find their enemy. We can lynch from this list if you want, but tbh we really don't need to. Assassins will sort out the matter themselves or forfeit all chances of winning. Lastly, a lot of people seem to be missing the point of my election, talking about some nonsense of how I might be mafia (LOL) or I won't help the town at all (which as you can see above is patently not true). However, who cares? The main points are: 1) You get TWO vigi hits, aka you double or more the town's non-lynch kp, and a dt check publicly known. This is quite important, as all too often dt's die before revealing any of their findings or are so trapped by fear that they won't reveal anything anyways. 2) You know I'm not mafia, so the town can't blow the game like it has many times in the past by lynching its own elected roles, of which there is a substantial and inherent pull to do. tnkted is assassin probably kavdragon/mib are mafia gmarshal is probably town imo
What are your reasonings? I feel like its impossible to think we know much of anything at this point. How can you even say we "know you're not mafia?"
I may be the village idiot, but I acknowledge the fact that we don't really know anything. At least as a collective group.
Both Kavdragon and Gmarshal had decent posts for mayor, but you just never know. Unless you know thing that I or others do not.
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On April 11 2011 05:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:05 Pandain wrote:On April 11 2011 05:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
LOL and he wants protact to reveal the bodyguards
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Why is this a bad idea? How about you stop being a douche and instead debate my ideas? no they're too stupid to even talk about
On April 11 2011 05:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i don't want to waste my time because it'll be like insane mafia where i tell you why what you're saying is stupid and you clog up the thread with more stupid and it's just a big waste
Also why nobody looking at my inactive list 
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On April 11 2011 05:06 Coagulation wrote:
Protactinium
Its fucking simple. you have a DIFFERENT OBJECTIVE then town.
What the fuck is so hard about that to wrap your head around.
There are a million fucking ways town can be fucked by you if you decide to play for your win condition. Sorry im not buying it you can put me on your little OMGUS list all you want.
How?
We won't let him fuck town.
He's aiming to kill assassins. So are we(we need to lower the total kp in this game.)
He's role checking suspicious people, and sharing with town.
That's exactly what we want to do.
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On April 11 2011 04:56 Pandain wrote:
But this is the PANDAIN PLAN
1.Proctat reveal the two bodyguards.
2. Watchers are HEAVILY advised to visit these people. Obviously there may not be a watcher(even though there likely is.) But the most important thing is that the threat remains the same.
This makes it very risky for the other assasins to even attempt to shoot the bodyguards for fear of losing. They will most likely have to wait a couple days, during which we shall have ample time to find them.
Proctat will be helping town while still fulfilling his role condition. There is no reason not to vote for him.
Sure, this will keep the bodyguards alive and keep the the people elected alive, but it will definitely take away the usefulness of the watcher, since the mafia/assassins' will be guaranteed to steer clear of them. Furthermore, if the mafia/assassins were to accidentally hit the watchers, the following turn we could be pretty sure that the bodyguards would be dead as well since they've been outed.
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