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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 10 2011 20:09 GMT
#721
On April 11 2011 05:06 tnkted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On April 11 2011 04:56 Protactinium wrote:
So I have said that I want to help the town purely because of fun. You have no way to believe me, correct? Well how about I start proving what I said then. It's day 1, there's plenty of information out there to do some analysis and reveal a plan.

There are two ways mafia and/or assassins can react to my campaign.

1) Ignore my post or minimalize it
2) Actively fight against it

You can 100% bet that they will not be supporting my candidacy. Assassins in particular must be vocal. Naturally, they do not want me elected whatsoever. In addition assassins and mafia can and will freely attack me because it's very easy to make up some nonsense about why I should not be elected, and lo and behold, a number have already done that. Some will be townie, but I dare say there's a very nice probability that at least half are mafia or assassin.

The first point is also interesting. It would be rather unlikely for a townie to look at my candidacy and not have a strong opinion on it one way or another: it's a polarizing issue. You either like it or you don't. We'll cover that in a future post, as it caught a few other suspects.

List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin list

    Gmarshal
    tnkted
    mig
    kitaman
    Kavdragon
    Wiggles
    Darmousseh
    Dropbear
    Robellicose
    Coagulation


Note that DoctorHelvetica is not on this list even though he is opposing me quite heavily, because he changed his stance over time. Upon seeing my campaign, Mafia and Assassins would instantly think "I don't want this guy in office" and their posts would reflect that. DoctorHelvetica, on the other hand, came in supporting me initially and changed his opnion over time upon reflecting on it more. I suppose this could have been an act but I'd rather go with Occam's Razor for now, making me think he is town.

This list will have for certain 1 assassin and highly likely both of them because they cannot let me get into office (yes there are 3 assassins). As the Assassins also know they are on this list, they will also find it very likely that their counterpart will be on the list too. However, this list is going to also have multiple mafia on it. I'm guessing 2-3. Why Mafia? Quite simply, they don't want an invincible double shot vigi and a free rolecheck visible to all, and also, someone who they absolutely cannot manipulate the town to kill.

The best part? The assassins only have 1 rolecheck and will have to fire into a group of people that has a high concentration of mafia in order to find their enemy. We can lynch from this list if you want, but tbh we really don't need to. Assassins will sort out the matter themselves or forfeit all chances of winning.

Lastly, a lot of people seem to be missing the point of my election, talking about some nonsense of how I might be mafia (LOL) or I won't help the town at all (which as you can see above is patently not true). However, who cares? The main points are:

1) You get TWO vigi hits, aka you double or more the town's non-lynch kp, and a dt check publicly known. This is quite important, as all too often dt's die before revealing any of their findings or are so trapped by fear that they won't reveal anything anyways.
2) You know I'm not mafia, so the town can't blow the game like it has many times in the past by lynching its own elected roles, of which there is a substantial and inherent pull to do.

tnkted is assassin probably

kavdragon/mib are mafia

gmarshal is probably town imo


Sigh.

I'm not assassin. Look at protracts logic: anyone that disagrees with his arguments is mafia? Of course not. If I was black or mafia I'd be supporting his campaign along with everyone else because it would let be blend in much better and the tide of public opinion is extremely pro-protract at the moment. Scum doesn't vote for what makes sense to their game-plan unless they absolutely have to. They vote with public opinion because it lets them blend in better. Theres a reason people fear band wagoning so much.



im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now

i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is:
kavdragon
mib
aidnai
jackal58


and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment
RIP Aaliyah
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
April 10 2011 20:09 GMT
#722
WE ARE NOT AIMING TO KILL ASSASSINS
WE ARE AIMING TO KILL SCUM
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 10 2011 20:10 GMT
#723
On April 11 2011 05:08 TranceStorm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 04:56 Pandain wrote:
But this is the PANDAIN PLAN

1.Proctat reveal the two bodyguards.
2. Watchers are HEAVILY advised to visit these people. Obviously there may not be a watcher(even though there likely is.) But the most important thing is that the threat remains the same.
This makes it very risky for the other assasins to even attempt to shoot the bodyguards for fear of losing. They will most likely have to wait a couple days, during which we shall have ample time to find them.

Proctat will be helping town while still fulfilling his role condition. There is no reason not to vote for him.

Sure, this will keep the bodyguards alive and keep the the people elected alive, but it will definitely take away the usefulness of the watcher, since the mafia/assassins' will be guaranteed to steer clear of them. Furthermore, if the mafia/assassins were to accidentally hit the watchers, the following turn we could be pretty sure that the bodyguards would be dead as well since they've been outed.


The watcher isn't that great of a role anyway, barring the INCREDIBLY unlikely situation that he ends up checking someone who died that day.

This way the watcher shall be helping to confirm two townies, as well as help Proctat confirm his win condition.

Given that they hit the watchers, that's (less) than the chance they accidently hit a bodyguard. So really no real problem. And anyway it's not too bad if Proctat dies given that he's not town.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
April 10 2011 20:11 GMT
#724
On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:06 tnkted wrote:
On April 11 2011 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On April 11 2011 04:56 Protactinium wrote:
So I have said that I want to help the town purely because of fun. You have no way to believe me, correct? Well how about I start proving what I said then. It's day 1, there's plenty of information out there to do some analysis and reveal a plan.

There are two ways mafia and/or assassins can react to my campaign.

1) Ignore my post or minimalize it
2) Actively fight against it

You can 100% bet that they will not be supporting my candidacy. Assassins in particular must be vocal. Naturally, they do not want me elected whatsoever. In addition assassins and mafia can and will freely attack me because it's very easy to make up some nonsense about why I should not be elected, and lo and behold, a number have already done that. Some will be townie, but I dare say there's a very nice probability that at least half are mafia or assassin.

The first point is also interesting. It would be rather unlikely for a townie to look at my candidacy and not have a strong opinion on it one way or another: it's a polarizing issue. You either like it or you don't. We'll cover that in a future post, as it caught a few other suspects.

List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin list

    Gmarshal
    tnkted
    mig
    kitaman
    Kavdragon
    Wiggles
    Darmousseh
    Dropbear
    Robellicose
    Coagulation


Note that DoctorHelvetica is not on this list even though he is opposing me quite heavily, because he changed his stance over time. Upon seeing my campaign, Mafia and Assassins would instantly think "I don't want this guy in office" and their posts would reflect that. DoctorHelvetica, on the other hand, came in supporting me initially and changed his opnion over time upon reflecting on it more. I suppose this could have been an act but I'd rather go with Occam's Razor for now, making me think he is town.

This list will have for certain 1 assassin and highly likely both of them because they cannot let me get into office (yes there are 3 assassins). As the Assassins also know they are on this list, they will also find it very likely that their counterpart will be on the list too. However, this list is going to also have multiple mafia on it. I'm guessing 2-3. Why Mafia? Quite simply, they don't want an invincible double shot vigi and a free rolecheck visible to all, and also, someone who they absolutely cannot manipulate the town to kill.

The best part? The assassins only have 1 rolecheck and will have to fire into a group of people that has a high concentration of mafia in order to find their enemy. We can lynch from this list if you want, but tbh we really don't need to. Assassins will sort out the matter themselves or forfeit all chances of winning.

Lastly, a lot of people seem to be missing the point of my election, talking about some nonsense of how I might be mafia (LOL) or I won't help the town at all (which as you can see above is patently not true). However, who cares? The main points are:

1) You get TWO vigi hits, aka you double or more the town's non-lynch kp, and a dt check publicly known. This is quite important, as all too often dt's die before revealing any of their findings or are so trapped by fear that they won't reveal anything anyways.
2) You know I'm not mafia, so the town can't blow the game like it has many times in the past by lynching its own elected roles, of which there is a substantial and inherent pull to do.

tnkted is assassin probably

kavdragon/mib are mafia

gmarshal is probably town imo


Sigh.

I'm not assassin. Look at protracts logic: anyone that disagrees with his arguments is mafia? Of course not. If I was black or mafia I'd be supporting his campaign along with everyone else because it would let be blend in much better and the tide of public opinion is extremely pro-protract at the moment. Scum doesn't vote for what makes sense to their game-plan unless they absolutely have to. They vote with public opinion because it lets them blend in better. Theres a reason people fear band wagoning so much.



im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now

i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is:
kavdragon
mib
aidnai
jackal58


and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment


So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list.
Robellicose
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England245 Posts
April 10 2011 20:11 GMT
#725
On April 11 2011 04:54 kitaman27 wrote:
Lots of agreeing and head nodding, but no action. Protactinium currently leads the race.


I'm backing GMarshall. I assume that counts as action?
Portentious and Pretentious
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 10 2011 20:11 GMT
#726
On April 11 2011 05:09 Coagulation wrote:
WE ARE NOT AIMING TO KILL ASSASSINS
WE ARE AIMING TO KILL SCUM


We're aiming to kill both.

Why?
Assasins have kp. Anything with a constant kp is bad for town as it increases the chance of civilian deaths.

If Assasins fulfill they're role conditions that means those are 3 less people we have to worry about.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 10 2011 20:12 GMT
#727
On April 11 2011 05:07 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On April 11 2011 04:56 Protactinium wrote:
So I have said that I want to help the town purely because of fun. You have no way to believe me, correct? Well how about I start proving what I said then. It's day 1, there's plenty of information out there to do some analysis and reveal a plan.

There are two ways mafia and/or assassins can react to my campaign.

1) Ignore my post or minimalize it
2) Actively fight against it

You can 100% bet that they will not be supporting my candidacy. Assassins in particular must be vocal. Naturally, they do not want me elected whatsoever. In addition assassins and mafia can and will freely attack me because it's very easy to make up some nonsense about why I should not be elected, and lo and behold, a number have already done that. Some will be townie, but I dare say there's a very nice probability that at least half are mafia or assassin.

The first point is also interesting. It would be rather unlikely for a townie to look at my candidacy and not have a strong opinion on it one way or another: it's a polarizing issue. You either like it or you don't. We'll cover that in a future post, as it caught a few other suspects.

List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin list

    Gmarshal
    tnkted
    mig
    kitaman
    Kavdragon
    Wiggles
    Darmousseh
    Dropbear
    Robellicose
    Coagulation


Note that DoctorHelvetica is not on this list even though he is opposing me quite heavily, because he changed his stance over time. Upon seeing my campaign, Mafia and Assassins would instantly think "I don't want this guy in office" and their posts would reflect that. DoctorHelvetica, on the other hand, came in supporting me initially and changed his opnion over time upon reflecting on it more. I suppose this could have been an act but I'd rather go with Occam's Razor for now, making me think he is town.

This list will have for certain 1 assassin and highly likely both of them because they cannot let me get into office (yes there are 3 assassins). As the Assassins also know they are on this list, they will also find it very likely that their counterpart will be on the list too. However, this list is going to also have multiple mafia on it. I'm guessing 2-3. Why Mafia? Quite simply, they don't want an invincible double shot vigi and a free rolecheck visible to all, and also, someone who they absolutely cannot manipulate the town to kill.

The best part? The assassins only have 1 rolecheck and will have to fire into a group of people that has a high concentration of mafia in order to find their enemy. We can lynch from this list if you want, but tbh we really don't need to. Assassins will sort out the matter themselves or forfeit all chances of winning.

Lastly, a lot of people seem to be missing the point of my election, talking about some nonsense of how I might be mafia (LOL) or I won't help the town at all (which as you can see above is patently not true). However, who cares? The main points are:

1) You get TWO vigi hits, aka you double or more the town's non-lynch kp, and a dt check publicly known. This is quite important, as all too often dt's die before revealing any of their findings or are so trapped by fear that they won't reveal anything anyways.
2) You know I'm not mafia, so the town can't blow the game like it has many times in the past by lynching its own elected roles, of which there is a substantial and inherent pull to do.

tnkted is assassin probably

kavdragon/mib are mafia

gmarshal is probably town imo


What are your reasonings? I feel like its impossible to think we know much of anything at this point. How can you even say we "know you're not mafia?"

I may be the village idiot, but I acknowledge the fact that we don't really know anything. At least as a collective group.

Both Kavdragon and Gmarshal had decent posts for mayor, but you just never know. Unless you know thing that I or others do not.

i already explained why i think kavdragon is mafia and mib

tknted as assassin is a gut read, of course i dont have neough information to make a serious case

On April 11 2011 05:10 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:08 TranceStorm wrote:
On April 11 2011 04:56 Pandain wrote:
But this is the PANDAIN PLAN

1.Proctat reveal the two bodyguards.
2. Watchers are HEAVILY advised to visit these people. Obviously there may not be a watcher(even though there likely is.) But the most important thing is that the threat remains the same.
This makes it very risky for the other assasins to even attempt to shoot the bodyguards for fear of losing. They will most likely have to wait a couple days, during which we shall have ample time to find them.

Proctat will be helping town while still fulfilling his role condition. There is no reason not to vote for him.

Sure, this will keep the bodyguards alive and keep the the people elected alive, but it will definitely take away the usefulness of the watcher, since the mafia/assassins' will be guaranteed to steer clear of them. Furthermore, if the mafia/assassins were to accidentally hit the watchers, the following turn we could be pretty sure that the bodyguards would be dead as well since they've been outed.


The watcher isn't that great of a role anyway, barring the INCREDIBLY unlikely situation that he ends up checking someone who died that day.

This way the watcher shall be helping to confirm two townies, as well as help Proctat confirm his win condition.

Given that they hit the watchers, that's (less) than the chance they accidently hit a bodyguard. So really no real problem. And anyway it's not too bad if Proctat dies given that he's not town.


we have no reason to care about protacts win condition
this ties down the watcher and forces them to be part of the assassin game instead of using their pwoer for scumhunting

am i insane? am i the only person here that thinks we should focus our effort on catching mafia and not dealing with assassin bullshit? this whole thing has gotten out of hand and now you fucking blue claimed which is absolutely retarded. game ruined day 1 because tl town can't stop shitting the bed when there is any sort of weird mechanic/third party it's all we talk about
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 10 2011 20:12 GMT
#728
On April 11 2011 05:11 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:09 Coagulation wrote:
WE ARE NOT AIMING TO KILL ASSASSINS
WE ARE AIMING TO KILL SCUM


We're aiming to kill both.

Why?
Assasins have kp. Anything with a constant kp is bad for town as it increases the chance of civilian deaths.

If Assasins fulfill they're role conditions that means those are 3 less people we have to worry about.

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RIP Aaliyah
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 10 2011 20:13 GMT
#729
On April 11 2011 05:08 TranceStorm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 04:56 Pandain wrote:
But this is the PANDAIN PLAN

1.Proctat reveal the two bodyguards.
2. Watchers are HEAVILY advised to visit these people. Obviously there may not be a watcher(even though there likely is.) But the most important thing is that the threat remains the same.
This makes it very risky for the other assasins to even attempt to shoot the bodyguards for fear of losing. They will most likely have to wait a couple days, during which we shall have ample time to find them.

Proctat will be helping town while still fulfilling his role condition. There is no reason not to vote for him.

Sure, this will keep the bodyguards alive and keep the the people elected alive, but it will definitely take away the usefulness of the watcher, since the mafia/assassins' will be guaranteed to steer clear of them. Furthermore, if the mafia/assassins were to accidentally hit the watchers, the following turn we could be pretty sure that the bodyguards would be dead as well since they've been outed.


Sup Trancestorm, nice to know you've been lurking and reading all of the stuff but saying nothing about it. What do you think about Prot's campaign? Kita? DrH?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
April 10 2011 20:13 GMT
#730
Why are people fucking not understanding this?

I think this whole assassin debate is pretty much derailing us from hunting scum. Mafia are probably most inclined to support this assassin in mayor SHIT because #1 it doesnt endanger themselves and #2 they get the benefit of having town deal with fucking assassins all fucking game instead of IGNORING THEM LIKE WE SHOULD and hunting scum. Fuck Pandains prolly the fucking GF What kind of idiot town would claim DT DAY 1 ? WTF.
Robellicose
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England245 Posts
April 10 2011 20:14 GMT
#731
On April 11 2011 04:56 Pandain wrote:
Actually electing Proctat is by far the best move we could do.

Think about it:
1.He's not mafia. We know this for a fact. We know that if he fails to either "rolecheck someone" or kill someone extra, then we lynch him. Furthormore, any of the other canidates we DONT KNOW if they ARE mafia. Personally I would prefer not having such a powerful mayor role, but if I had to give it to anyone, it would be proctat. And here is why he would not be anti town:

a.)His goal is to kill assasins. This means that he will be going after the scum-esque people, since assasins and mafia will act at least noticably alike in this game, given that they are both hostile to town. At the very least he will be killing the anti town.
b.) He will provide us will role checks.
c.) HE WILL PROVIDE US WITH TWO CONFIRMED TOWNIES. Here is what I say: Proctat reveal who the two bodyguards are. Given that the OP says that two townies will be chosen, then we can have two confirmed townies. And obviously we know that the Assasins will be gunning for him.

And Proctat is like "Wtf, I don't want to reveal my body guards."

But this is the PANDAIN PLAN

1.Proctat reveal the two bodyguards.
2. Watchers are HEAVILY advised to visit these people. Obviously there may not be a watcher(even though there likely is.) But the most important thing is that the threat remains the same.
This makes it very risky for the other assasins to even attempt to shoot the bodyguards for fear of losing. They will most likely have to wait a couple days, during which we shall have ample time to find them.

Proctat will be helping town while still fulfilling his role condition. There is no reason not to vote for him.

Furthormore I announce my campaign for Mayor Pardoner.

Why I should be pardoner:
[image loading]
I'm a dt. There. Now you guys have to make me it or I diez....

By having such an important blue role be so safe, we can gurantee that I shall help you guys. And if I don't give a true role check, you guys can lynch me.

Was this a douche move? Yes.
Is it worth it for me? Also yes.



Man, at least you agree that it's a bit of a douche move to out yourself as blue.

a) you're telling the truth, and now we have to vote you in or spend our medic on you constantly.
b) you're a lying git, and are successfully screwing with the elections.

I'm inclined to say that your roleclaim is truthful, as it's fairly easy for us to figure out if you actually have dt abilities or not.
STILL A DOUCHE MOVE.


Tnkted's Plan

We don't elect Protract. Instead, we use him as bait.

Watcher should watch Protract. In the morning, you should post everyone who visited him. Any assassins that visit protract in the night will be revealed to each other (something I'm certain they don't want) and any mafia trying to hit our strongest player will be revealed as well.

Of course, we reveal our watcher in this plan, but is it worth it to the assassins to trade their anonymity for one kill? It would completely end their parts in the game by the second night, and would turn an enjoyable game of lurking in the shadows into certain death.

Thoughts?


A reasonable idea. I have no problems with this course of action at the moment, will have to think a little more on it.
Portentious and Pretentious
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 10 2011 20:14 GMT
#732
On April 11 2011 05:13 Coagulation wrote:
Why are people fucking not understanding this?

I think this whole assassin debate is pretty much derailing us from hunting scum. Mafia are probably most inclined to support this assassin in mayor SHIT because #1 it doesnt endanger themselves and #2 they get the benefit of having town deal with fucking assassins all fucking game instead of IGNORING THEM LIKE WE SHOULD and hunting scum. Fuck Pandains prolly the fucking GF What kind of idiot town would claim DT DAY 1 ? WTF.

pandain is a special kind of idiot

well at least we can be a duo of reason trying to push the town onto scumhunting

doctorhelvetica/coagulation '11??
RIP Aaliyah
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
April 10 2011 20:17 GMT
#733
On April 11 2011 05:11 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On April 11 2011 05:06 tnkted wrote:
On April 11 2011 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On April 11 2011 04:56 Protactinium wrote:
So I have said that I want to help the town purely because of fun. You have no way to believe me, correct? Well how about I start proving what I said then. It's day 1, there's plenty of information out there to do some analysis and reveal a plan.

There are two ways mafia and/or assassins can react to my campaign.

1) Ignore my post or minimalize it
2) Actively fight against it

You can 100% bet that they will not be supporting my candidacy. Assassins in particular must be vocal. Naturally, they do not want me elected whatsoever. In addition assassins and mafia can and will freely attack me because it's very easy to make up some nonsense about why I should not be elected, and lo and behold, a number have already done that. Some will be townie, but I dare say there's a very nice probability that at least half are mafia or assassin.

The first point is also interesting. It would be rather unlikely for a townie to look at my candidacy and not have a strong opinion on it one way or another: it's a polarizing issue. You either like it or you don't. We'll cover that in a future post, as it caught a few other suspects.

List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin list

    Gmarshal
    tnkted
    mig
    kitaman
    Kavdragon
    Wiggles
    Darmousseh
    Dropbear
    Robellicose
    Coagulation


Note that DoctorHelvetica is not on this list even though he is opposing me quite heavily, because he changed his stance over time. Upon seeing my campaign, Mafia and Assassins would instantly think "I don't want this guy in office" and their posts would reflect that. DoctorHelvetica, on the other hand, came in supporting me initially and changed his opnion over time upon reflecting on it more. I suppose this could have been an act but I'd rather go with Occam's Razor for now, making me think he is town.

This list will have for certain 1 assassin and highly likely both of them because they cannot let me get into office (yes there are 3 assassins). As the Assassins also know they are on this list, they will also find it very likely that their counterpart will be on the list too. However, this list is going to also have multiple mafia on it. I'm guessing 2-3. Why Mafia? Quite simply, they don't want an invincible double shot vigi and a free rolecheck visible to all, and also, someone who they absolutely cannot manipulate the town to kill.

The best part? The assassins only have 1 rolecheck and will have to fire into a group of people that has a high concentration of mafia in order to find their enemy. We can lynch from this list if you want, but tbh we really don't need to. Assassins will sort out the matter themselves or forfeit all chances of winning.

Lastly, a lot of people seem to be missing the point of my election, talking about some nonsense of how I might be mafia (LOL) or I won't help the town at all (which as you can see above is patently not true). However, who cares? The main points are:

1) You get TWO vigi hits, aka you double or more the town's non-lynch kp, and a dt check publicly known. This is quite important, as all too often dt's die before revealing any of their findings or are so trapped by fear that they won't reveal anything anyways.
2) You know I'm not mafia, so the town can't blow the game like it has many times in the past by lynching its own elected roles, of which there is a substantial and inherent pull to do.

tnkted is assassin probably

kavdragon/mib are mafia

gmarshal is probably town imo


Sigh.

I'm not assassin. Look at protracts logic: anyone that disagrees with his arguments is mafia? Of course not. If I was black or mafia I'd be supporting his campaign along with everyone else because it would let be blend in much better and the tide of public opinion is extremely pro-protract at the moment. Scum doesn't vote for what makes sense to their game-plan unless they absolutely have to. They vote with public opinion because it lets them blend in better. Theres a reason people fear band wagoning so much.



im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now

i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is:
kavdragon
mib
aidnai
jackal58


and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment


So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list.


Even if Dr. H got hit, it doesn't mean that everyone on that list is mafia. It doesn't even mean that ANYONE there is mafia. They could hit him to make it seem like the other guys on his suspicious list are mafia when they could just be town.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
April 10 2011 20:17 GMT
#734
Updated inactive/lurking
Metalface-no posts since sign up
Ream- no posts since game started
Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted
TranceStorm- lurking
lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began
milkyst- no posts since sign up
The_Roist- lurking, one post since start
Jaminz- no post since sign up
DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1
M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play.
Serejai- no posts since sign up
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 10 2011 20:19 GMT
#735
On April 11 2011 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:13 Coagulation wrote:
Why are people fucking not understanding this?

I think this whole assassin debate is pretty much derailing us from hunting scum. Mafia are probably most inclined to support this assassin in mayor SHIT because #1 it doesnt endanger themselves and #2 they get the benefit of having town deal with fucking assassins all fucking game instead of IGNORING THEM LIKE WE SHOULD and hunting scum. Fuck Pandains prolly the fucking GF What kind of idiot town would claim DT DAY 1 ? WTF.

pandain is a special kind of idiot

well at least we can be a duo of reason trying to push the town onto scumhunting

doctorhelvetica/coagulation '11??

The scum and scummier platform????
Life can only kill you once.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
April 10 2011 20:19 GMT
#736
Lol, if the alternative is coag in office, there's no way I'mma vote him. He's like the Joe Biden of Mafia games.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 10 2011 20:19 GMT
#737
On April 11 2011 05:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:07 AirbladeOrange wrote:
On April 11 2011 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On April 11 2011 04:56 Protactinium wrote:
So I have said that I want to help the town purely because of fun. You have no way to believe me, correct? Well how about I start proving what I said then. It's day 1, there's plenty of information out there to do some analysis and reveal a plan.

There are two ways mafia and/or assassins can react to my campaign.

1) Ignore my post or minimalize it
2) Actively fight against it

You can 100% bet that they will not be supporting my candidacy. Assassins in particular must be vocal. Naturally, they do not want me elected whatsoever. In addition assassins and mafia can and will freely attack me because it's very easy to make up some nonsense about why I should not be elected, and lo and behold, a number have already done that. Some will be townie, but I dare say there's a very nice probability that at least half are mafia or assassin.

The first point is also interesting. It would be rather unlikely for a townie to look at my candidacy and not have a strong opinion on it one way or another: it's a polarizing issue. You either like it or you don't. We'll cover that in a future post, as it caught a few other suspects.

List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin list

    Gmarshal
    tnkted
    mig
    kitaman
    Kavdragon
    Wiggles
    Darmousseh
    Dropbear
    Robellicose
    Coagulation


Note that DoctorHelvetica is not on this list even though he is opposing me quite heavily, because he changed his stance over time. Upon seeing my campaign, Mafia and Assassins would instantly think "I don't want this guy in office" and their posts would reflect that. DoctorHelvetica, on the other hand, came in supporting me initially and changed his opnion over time upon reflecting on it more. I suppose this could have been an act but I'd rather go with Occam's Razor for now, making me think he is town.

This list will have for certain 1 assassin and highly likely both of them because they cannot let me get into office (yes there are 3 assassins). As the Assassins also know they are on this list, they will also find it very likely that their counterpart will be on the list too. However, this list is going to also have multiple mafia on it. I'm guessing 2-3. Why Mafia? Quite simply, they don't want an invincible double shot vigi and a free rolecheck visible to all, and also, someone who they absolutely cannot manipulate the town to kill.

The best part? The assassins only have 1 rolecheck and will have to fire into a group of people that has a high concentration of mafia in order to find their enemy. We can lynch from this list if you want, but tbh we really don't need to. Assassins will sort out the matter themselves or forfeit all chances of winning.

Lastly, a lot of people seem to be missing the point of my election, talking about some nonsense of how I might be mafia (LOL) or I won't help the town at all (which as you can see above is patently not true). However, who cares? The main points are:

1) You get TWO vigi hits, aka you double or more the town's non-lynch kp, and a dt check publicly known. This is quite important, as all too often dt's die before revealing any of their findings or are so trapped by fear that they won't reveal anything anyways.
2) You know I'm not mafia, so the town can't blow the game like it has many times in the past by lynching its own elected roles, of which there is a substantial and inherent pull to do.

tnkted is assassin probably

kavdragon/mib are mafia

gmarshal is probably town imo


What are your reasonings? I feel like its impossible to think we know much of anything at this point. How can you even say we "know you're not mafia?"

I may be the village idiot, but I acknowledge the fact that we don't really know anything. At least as a collective group.

Both Kavdragon and Gmarshal had decent posts for mayor, but you just never know. Unless you know thing that I or others do not.

i already explained why i think kavdragon is mafia and mib

tknted as assassin is a gut read, of course i dont have neough information to make a serious case

Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:10 Pandain wrote:
On April 11 2011 05:08 TranceStorm wrote:
On April 11 2011 04:56 Pandain wrote:
But this is the PANDAIN PLAN

1.Proctat reveal the two bodyguards.
2. Watchers are HEAVILY advised to visit these people. Obviously there may not be a watcher(even though there likely is.) But the most important thing is that the threat remains the same.
This makes it very risky for the other assasins to even attempt to shoot the bodyguards for fear of losing. They will most likely have to wait a couple days, during which we shall have ample time to find them.

Proctat will be helping town while still fulfilling his role condition. There is no reason not to vote for him.

Sure, this will keep the bodyguards alive and keep the the people elected alive, but it will definitely take away the usefulness of the watcher, since the mafia/assassins' will be guaranteed to steer clear of them. Furthermore, if the mafia/assassins were to accidentally hit the watchers, the following turn we could be pretty sure that the bodyguards would be dead as well since they've been outed.


The watcher isn't that great of a role anyway, barring the INCREDIBLY unlikely situation that he ends up checking someone who died that day.

This way the watcher shall be helping to confirm two townies, as well as help Proctat confirm his win condition.

Given that they hit the watchers, that's (less) than the chance they accidently hit a bodyguard. So really no real problem. And anyway it's not too bad if Proctat dies given that he's not town.


we have no reason to care about protacts win condition
this ties down the watcher and forces them to be part of the assassin game instead of using their pwoer for scumhunting

am i insane? am i the only person here that thinks we should focus our effort on catching mafia and not dealing with assassin bullshit? this whole thing has gotten out of hand and now you fucking blue claimed which is absolutely retarded. game ruined day 1 because tl town can't stop shitting the bed when there is any sort of weird mechanic/third party it's all we talk about


We don't have reason to care about Proctat's win condition except for the fact that by helping him, he will help us. It's a win-win situation if he gets elected as mayor.

And are you really saying that the watcher is a "scum hunting" role. The only way he might be able to help is if he visits the person who dies. I think that helping to confirm two townies is by FAR a better use of a watcher.

Furthormore we are talking about who should be mayor. Day 1 mafia hunting is going to often be wrong, and you out of all people should know that. The most important thing(considering its hardly been a day since its started) right now is saying who should be mayor, especially since he decides the lynch.


On April 11 2011 05:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:11 Pandain wrote:
On April 11 2011 05:09 Coagulation wrote:
WE ARE NOT AIMING TO KILL ASSASSINS
WE ARE AIMING TO KILL SCUM


We're aiming to kill both.

Why?
Assasins have kp. Anything with a constant kp is bad for town as it increases the chance of civilian deaths.

If Assasins fulfill they're role conditions that means those are 3 less people we have to worry about.

wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong


What happened to the "oh let's not argue. I won't comment on your plan at all because its wrong."
Its undeinable that having one less 3rd party is better for town.
It's undeniable that its better to have less anti town people in the game.


On April 11 2011 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:13 Coagulation wrote:
Why are people fucking not understanding this?

I think this whole assassin debate is pretty much derailing us from hunting scum. Mafia are probably most inclined to support this assassin in mayor SHIT because #1 it doesnt endanger themselves and #2 they get the benefit of having town deal with fucking assassins all fucking game instead of IGNORING THEM LIKE WE SHOULD and hunting scum. Fuck Pandains prolly the fucking GF What kind of idiot town would claim DT DAY 1 ? WTF.

pandain is a special kind of idiot

well at least we can be a duo of reason trying to push the town onto scumhunting

doctorhelvetica/coagulation '11??


Broski are you really saying that coag and you are the duo or reason in this game?
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 10 2011 20:19 GMT
#738
yeah me and coagulation are the most reasonable right now
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 10 2011 20:20 GMT
#739
On April 11 2011 05:19 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On April 11 2011 05:13 Coagulation wrote:
Why are people fucking not understanding this?

I think this whole assassin debate is pretty much derailing us from hunting scum. Mafia are probably most inclined to support this assassin in mayor SHIT because #1 it doesnt endanger themselves and #2 they get the benefit of having town deal with fucking assassins all fucking game instead of IGNORING THEM LIKE WE SHOULD and hunting scum. Fuck Pandains prolly the fucking GF What kind of idiot town would claim DT DAY 1 ? WTF.

pandain is a special kind of idiot

well at least we can be a duo of reason trying to push the town onto scumhunting

doctorhelvetica/coagulation '11??

The scum and scummier platform????

i think you're red too so this is cute
RIP Aaliyah
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
April 10 2011 20:20 GMT
#740
On April 11 2011 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 05:13 Coagulation wrote:
Why are people fucking not understanding this?

I think this whole assassin debate is pretty much derailing us from hunting scum. Mafia are probably most inclined to support this assassin in mayor SHIT because #1 it doesnt endanger themselves and #2 they get the benefit of having town deal with fucking assassins all fucking game instead of IGNORING THEM LIKE WE SHOULD and hunting scum. Fuck Pandains prolly the fucking GF What kind of idiot town would claim DT DAY 1 ? WTF.

pandain is a special kind of idiot

well at least we can be a duo of reason trying to push the town onto scumhunting

doctorhelvetica/coagulation '11??


Maybe it's just because I don't know Dr. H's style of play, but it just strikes me as being suspicious. But regardless he hasn't actually done anything yet to give us a reason to take action against him.

But I do agree with him and Coag that we need to not worry about assassins for now. Definitely keep it in mind, but if we focus too much on them it will certainly give us less of a chance getting the mafia.
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