EPTLet's say I'm red and that's the platform I'm running on. Two players are both being argued about. One is mafia, one is town. If I lynch the town, what does that say about anyone's arguments for or against the two? Nothing, red could just argue that we should lynch mafia strongly cause they know at the end of the day I wouldn't lynch him. Having a vote ties your argument to an actual piece of information. I can argue all day long for someone but if I don't vote for him, that's pretty scummy.
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chaoser
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Let's say I'm red and that's the platform I'm running on. Two players are both being argued about. One is mafia, one is town. If I lynch the town, what does that say about anyone's arguments for or against the two? Nothing, red could just argue that we should lynch mafia strongly cause they know at the end of the day I wouldn't lynch him. Having a vote ties your argument to an actual piece of information. I can argue all day long for someone but if I don't vote for him, that's pretty scummy. | ||
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1. my policy is "any item game player is better than current slate of candidates." given that, of course i am going to try to get the mayorship. my policy for determining lynch? kill who i think is black. @annul Why only say kill who you think is black and not who you think is red or black | ||
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1.) no group can afford to take out everyone in the item game but their player as he instantly is revealed (e.g. if the mafia teams takes out all the greens and hangs the 3rd party well, who the mafia is becomes evident) Basically this, mafia can't afford to take out too many townies in the item game cause then black or town will figure out who the red is and kill/lynch them, making the chances of the scum team getting the items 0%. Same thing for black players except they only have to fear lynches. Because of that, item players are relatively safe. Lets say black and red use all 3 KP to kill items players, that leaves 1 town, 1 black, and 1 red. 2 in 3 chance to lynch an anti-town and then 1/2 chance to protect the right person from night kill? Seems pretty good. But if bum isn't protected we've effectively lose a blue. | ||
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Basically this, mafia can't afford to take out too many townies in the item game cause then black or town will figure out who the red is and kill/lynch them, making the chances of the scum team getting the items 0%. Same thing for black players except they only have to fear lynches. Because of that, item players are relatively safe. Lets say black and red use all 3 KP to kill items players, that leaves 1 town, 1 black, and 1 red. 2 in 3 chance to lynch an anti-town and then 1/2 chance to protect the right person from night kill? Seems pretty good. But if bum isn't protected we've effectively lose a blue. | ||
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On March 25 2011 09:56 darmousseh wrote: OMG, so much posting going on I can't keep up. Can someone summarize a little. annul: don't vote bum! vote item player~ almost everyone else: the fuck... | ||
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1) people clearly don't think your point is correct 2) you keep pushing the point leading to massive amounts of spam that is basically everyone talking around in circles Can you see why that's bad? It basically allows mafia to blend into the conversation because it is an EASY conversation topic. Whether you are mafia or not, this argument is clearly spirally out of control. We can take it up again when powers/items are given out but for now can we give it a rest? | ||
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do you just simply refuse to recognize the potential for blues to be worth more than 1 scum death? Yes this is possible. It is also possible that this isn't true. Based on past games, there is more supporting the latter case but we can ignore that. In the end we don't know. You don't know. No one except the blues know. Even then they don't really know till their powers are revealed to them. So until then, there's no point arguing this point. At the same time, giving the mayor to a item player is itself dangerous. There's a 1/6 chance a red gets it, 1/6 chance a black gets it and a 4/6 chance greens get it. There is nothing to cancel out the black so lets say it's 1/3 for anti-town to get it and 2/3 chance for town to get it. In that same vein, if done with the whole game in context, there is a 8/15 chance for town to get it, 2/15 chance blues get it, 3/15 chance mafia get it and 2/15 chance black gets it. Basically there's the same chance black or blue gets it and town is more than 2 times as likely to get it as red. Assuming black and blue cancel out, it'll be 8/15 v 2/15. There is a higher chance for greens to get it than red when viewing the whole game compared to the item game. | ||
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On March 25 2011 10:16 Tackster wrote: In my eyes if I were to work so hard to invest in a plan that's bad for town I would either be mafia or... trying to come up with a non-insulting term here... simple? So the way this turned out I can't imagine mafia pretending to be THAT simple so successfully... I mean that really takes acting lessons... annul does it. Look at XXXVII. Even his own team were like...wtf are you doing... | ||
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On March 25 2011 11:10 annul wrote: okay every claim i had about item game? i retract it this item is horrible. winning 5 other items this bad wont do us shit. LOLOL | ||
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On March 25 2011 11:19 deconduo wrote: ##Elect: Bumatlarge http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=204751 think we vote there | ||
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chaoser if you had a DT check who would you check right now? Probably darmousseh or Lemonwalrus. Both in the item game, both kinda on the quiet side. | ||
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All kidding aside, what annul did was so horribly anti town that even after I asked him to stop arguing about the topic to focus on other things till at least everyone got their powers, 3-4 more pages sprang up and my post was totally ignored by him. I don't know if that's just how he plays but in XXXVII he did the same thing day 1, not letting go of an issue until it led to his death. When you're arguing and all of town doesn't agree with you and it's getting nowhere except to waste time and to spam up the thread while everyone is going in circles, maybe it's time to stop. Even if your idea is the greatest in the world, if no one is convinced, it is the shittest idea in the world. My two cents on that issue. I, like Ace, am all for policy lynches. A townie that doesn't play pro town is even worse than a mafia cause we shouldn't have to worry about you, but because of your play, we do. I'd put my vote (if I had one) against annul. | ||
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