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Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
March 28 2011 06:17 GMT
#2261
On March 28 2011 15:11 kevconsim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 15:07 Lanaia wrote:

15. kevconsim - I don't understand his play, he's being silly.


bold or red (both is i'm not sure of which) = scum, green = townie/blue, italics = unsure.





Can you explain why i am "being silly".

You aren't contributing, you're asking silly questions, haven't posted much if anything in your views.
Tell us, what are your views?
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
March 28 2011 06:17 GMT
#2262
Hey Tack

I also have a sub point here about Lemons vest. The items list we have is:
1) A Role Checker
2) An Alignment Checker
3) A bomb (potato)
4) A gun
5) A medic style item
6) A medic style item

This is insane mafia. Even though 2 of the other items are similar they are not identical. So why do we have a vest and bandages that seem to do the same things? Is that likely? Of course my item can protect others where as Lemons possibly does not need to be used. Either way I'm saying this is a tentative point to analyze.


The vest is not a medic style item, it is a veteran style item. It makes perfect sense and fits the pattern of the items.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
March 28 2011 06:18 GMT
#2263
On March 28 2011 15:17 orgolove wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 15:07 Lanaia wrote:
11. orgolove - Pretty much admitted to not even reading 50 pages. Town wouldn't do that. (likely)


This is ridiculous. Did you not see the word yet? Where did I say that I am not going to read the past 50 pages? It's hard enough trying to find out the information among Coag's spam. But read over what I said carefully. Never did I say that I won't read the information.


I didn't say that you said that you WEREN'T going to read it. I know it's hard to read through spam but it's better to read it before posting, especially with "substantial content" over a total of 50 pages that may change your mind.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Tackster
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland429 Posts
March 28 2011 06:18 GMT
#2264
Ok I'm getting tired of repeating myself but here goes anyway:

On March 28 2011 15:01 chaoser wrote:
By jackals argument if I was green should I have let myself get shot or something? What would any other green do in my position?

Yes. You would want to get shot. Why? Cause if you flipped green, it'd be 1/4 chances of catching mafia in the item game. Since annul got shot, it would be 1/3 chance. You not dying made today be about you v Jackal again. If you had died, it would have been Jackal on the chopping block since it was his plan. Or we start looking at LW. If I was in your situation, I would have used my item to check Jackal or maybe LW, not steal some shit. Townies don't care much for living, only that they can somehow help town win.


You say if I flipped green it would have been 1:4 chance of catching mafia and 1:3 cos annul was shot.
#1 How would I know annul would be shot and hence take that into account?
#2 If i died it would be Jackal on the chopping block... Or LemonWalrus... So eventually you will get around to Or coag/Or annul right?
#3 If I DT check when I'm getting shot how exactly do I reveal that information to town? You're saying if I think i'm getting shot I should dt check and then let myself die.


2. No one is confirmed

No one is ever confirmed unless they're dead. There's no such thing as confirmation of alignment, even DTs can be insane and give wrong reads. The fact of the matter is, Jackal came out and FoS-ed you. His actions compared to your actions, in my head, shows that he is more town then you are. His plan makes sense while you haven't done a single thing for town. Your posts have been basically copies of other people's posts, and until Jackal FoSed you, you didn't give a single FoS or analysis of anyone else. You merely defended Bum's blueness, you didn't even call out annul as scum.


First of all read my posts before you call them copies.
Second I have suggested strategies in and out of the IG all game
Third if no one is ever confirmed why are those three constantly confirming it and making decisions BASED ON THOSE CONFIRMATIONS?


Why would I bus to annul? Annul claimed he was out of the game and outed his item power which affects me NOT AT ALL.

Annul was pretty much going to be read as town. RoL's stupid little gambit worked and annul's reaction was that of a town thinking he was dead, not of mafia. Mafia take things to the grave on the off chance something they said gives shit away, townies don't. That being said, it's better to get rid of a green that everyone knows is a green and then try to argue against someone who is less "confirmed" like Jackal.


You obviously haven't read my post properly. I said a better bus would be to lemon. You havent mentioned why that is wrong


4. Jackal can easily be mafia.
5. The IG is in grave peril

So making the assumption I'm green:
- I get lynched and flip green
- scum use their 2 KP to kill the other greens
- Red is last one standing and therefore red team get the items

Not true and a contradiction, if anything, I feel like IG is going to be won by town if both statements are true. It's just whether we have three confirmed townies or one. If you are green, you get lynched, it's 1 red, 2 green. We got medics, LW got a vest. If Jackal really is red like you said, then all we have to do is chill out, and tell LW to protect. It's a passive vest that makes him bullet proof. Mafia can't shoot into that shit. Black is lynched so he can't be black. Next day, we lynch Jackal. BOOM. Town wins IG.


This is a matter of opinion. Feeling we lynch a town tonight is acceptable doesn't mean you should gamble with the vote anyway. Use some logic maybe?

Tackster: Can you give me a synonym of flammable? Deconduo: Inflammable...
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
March 28 2011 06:19 GMT
#2265
Also since this thread loves to jump on people for not posting a lot just letting you all know I've got an exam in 16 hours and I plan to spend every minute between now and then either sleeping or studying.

I might still post here and there though.

Happy scum-hunting.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
March 28 2011 06:20 GMT
#2266
Also, I was gonna point out what Chaoser or Coagulation pointed out above.

If you are town, stealing Jackal's item was retarded. The town thing to do would be to role-check someone. If you lived or died, you would be giving the town some great information. The much simpler explanation is that you are red.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
March 28 2011 06:21 GMT
#2267
kevconsim, there is typically no reason to ask the same question a couple times. Eventually someone will get to it (sooner rather than later). If it takes too long, ask again after a decent amount of time (I'm talking a couple of hours, not a couple of minutes). You could always have googled "mafia bus driver." The first result gives you the gist of what the role is.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
March 28 2011 06:23 GMT
#2268
@Jackal: Did anyone know your item before day 2 started?
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
March 28 2011 06:23 GMT
#2269
I got phantom 3/4 times tonight and got raped due to having not played in like 2 years. Sad day :/
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 28 2011 06:25 GMT
#2270
Now I admit it's possible that coagulation or lemon are scum. However for coag to shoot the person and bus himself is too alien to consider. For Lemon to be planning all this in his first game is possible given he has a PM circle - but seems unlikely.


You obviously haven't read my post properly. I said a better bus would be to lemon. You havent mentioned why that is wrong


Both are unlikely to you in the JACKAL MIGHT BE RED POST.

Your post pretty much says that you think JACKAL is red. In that case, we got item game won since point number 5, which is you trying to scare people into not voting for you, is wrong. SEE! WE GOTS IT YO!
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
March 28 2011 06:25 GMT
#2271
Also, it's pretty obvious by now that jackal and coagulation never had a plan to confirm each other. They decided early that they trusted each other, then that they trusted lemonwalrus and they made their plans from there. They lied to town about confirming each other so that we'd trust them and listen to them. I know LaL is a pretty good policy, but if their lies win town the item game... well, you can't argue with results.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 28 2011 06:26 GMT
#2272
This is a matter of opinion. Feeling we lynch a town tonight is acceptable doesn't mean you should gamble with the vote anyway. Use some logic maybe?


Nah son, it's straight up fact. Just like how there's a difference between loose and lose. That shit is grammar. That is a fact. Droppin' KNOWLEDGE!!
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 28 2011 06:27 GMT
#2273
OK well for the sake of the thread not getting flooded with circular arguments this is what im gonna do

Tackster is mafia.
its my gut feeling
and lemon walrus
and jackals
and annuls

can you argue about me having a gut feeling tackster? didnt think so.
im pretty sure i have raped enough scum as town to be given the time of die when it comes to town listening to my gut feeling.

so that ends it.
Tackster
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland429 Posts
March 28 2011 06:27 GMT
#2274
On March 28 2011 15:20 GGQ wrote:
Also, I was gonna point out what Chaoser or Coagulation pointed out above.

If you are town, stealing Jackal's item was retarded. The town thing to do would be to role-check someone. If you lived or died, you would be giving the town some great information. The much simpler explanation is that you are red.


By your standards:

Situation 1:
I DT check and get shot. Town now has more reason to lynch Jackal (GOOD)

Situation 2:
I DT check and some1 else gets shot. I 'claim' a check on Jackal that can't be confirmed and we end up in this situation. (BAD)

Situation 3:
I steal and get the gun. We're now in the same situation as yesterday except town gets to lynch instead of leaving the kill to someone else (VERY GOOD)

Situation 4:
I steal and don't get gun. I am shot. Same situation as 1. (GOOD)

Situation 5:
I steal and don't get gun. I am not shot. We are now in this position.(BAD)


So a DT check either has 50% chance for the positive result you're looking for or 50% this situation comes up.

A steal on the other hand has a 66% chance for a positive result or 33% this situation comes up.
Tackster: Can you give me a synonym of flammable? Deconduo: Inflammable...
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 28 2011 06:28 GMT
#2275
On March 28 2011 15:25 GGQ wrote:
Also, it's pretty obvious by now that jackal and coagulation never had a plan to confirm each other. They decided early that they trusted each other, then that they trusted lemonwalrus and they made their plans from there. They lied to town about confirming each other so that we'd trust them and listen to them. I know LaL is a pretty good policy, but if their lies win town the item game... well, you can't argue with results.


This is not true!
i have a role! i can in fact check any item and tell the previous users alignment.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 28 2011 06:28 GMT
#2276
the item is destroyed in the process !
Tackster
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland429 Posts
March 28 2011 06:30 GMT
#2277
On March 28 2011 15:27 Coagulation wrote:
OK well for the sake of the thread not getting flooded with circular arguments this is what im gonna do

Tackster is mafia.
its my gut feeling
and lemon walrus
and jackals
and annuls

can you argue about me having a gut feeling tackster? didnt think so.
im pretty sure i have raped enough scum as town to be given the time of die when it comes to town listening to my gut feeling.

so that ends it.


Well that's easy to argue -

Logic > A gut feeling
Tackster: Can you give me a synonym of flammable? Deconduo: Inflammable...
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
March 28 2011 06:30 GMT
#2278
we decided if we just shot tackster there would be no need for confirmation when he flips red!
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
March 28 2011 06:31 GMT
#2279
Oh I think I remembered the other part.

Well, looks like people aren't really using their items well. Only one person was able to use his item. Only problem is that he found himself in the wrong place. He stood over the dead body of Annul and wondered what happened. And why was there two bullets when he only loaded one in his gun? And what's up with all the blood smeared on him?

From what I recall you don't answer this. If what you are saying is correct coagulation then Annul and Tack were bussed, meaning all night actions focused on one hits the other and vice versa.

The first part of the bold seems to infer that he was shot twice. Once by you, and once by another. While the second part implies that you were the one who was bussed, because YOU are the confused one.

So what you are saying can't follow a logical progression of thought. You hit Tack and the mafia bussed tack and annul to save him, meaning someone else would of also had to hit tack for Annul to have gotten shot twice.

But if we accept those events then we have to ask ourselves why the third party (or mafia?) would hit tack while bussing him while KNOWING you were going to try to hit him too.

Something just seems off, unless you can explain that and I misread something.
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Tackster
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland429 Posts
March 28 2011 06:32 GMT
#2280
On March 28 2011 15:25 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
Now I admit it's possible that coagulation or lemon are scum. However for coag to shoot the person and bus himself is too alien to consider. For Lemon to be planning all this in his first game is possible given he has a PM circle - but seems unlikely.


Show nested quote +
You obviously haven't read my post properly. I said a better bus would be to lemon. You havent mentioned why that is wrong


Both are unlikely to you in the JACKAL MIGHT BE RED POST.

Your post pretty much says that you think JACKAL is red. In that case, we got item game won since point number 5, which is you trying to scare people into not voting for you, is wrong. SEE! WE GOTS IT YO!


So you're entire point there was rather than check any points I made just go with

If we lynch tack maybe he's mafia
If not we can gamble to hopefully win the IG

I should just not try and defend myself and agree to gamble the IG away?

Why don't you instead tell me why what I wrote is wrong. If in fact what I wrote leads to a conclusion where Jackal is the likely mafia we are STILL in the situation you mentioned + we used logic to get there = more likely we lynch mafia
Tackster: Can you give me a synonym of flammable? Deconduo: Inflammable...
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