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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On March 19 2011 05:27 Kenpachi wrote: can i ask why are we voting when theres only a push or pull function? did i miss something? Its an attempt to maintain order iirc. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On March 19 2011 04:00 chaoser wrote: I guess the only way to solve this problem is that the person who is majority voted has to be pushed by everyone, whether you voted him or not. Organized town is a good town yes? I don't like that we want to consolidate pushes completely. This is for a few reasons: 1. It seems like it would let mafia bandwagon a whole lot more easily. 17 people, 4 scum. So, say the vote is split, because it might not be consolidated between two people, it could look like 3-7-6-1, and then it's easy for scum to bandwagon, and especially to hit players near the middle of the queue. (Because they'll have all the pushes they need to kill with the whole town.) 2. It removes any information given from votes, and still let's scum say: "I knew he was town, but you made me push him anyways!!! FOS on whoever started town bandwagon!". 3. Makes it a whole lot harder to perform multiple kills if necessary. Say the vote becomes 6-5-5-1, who do we kill? Majority? All three? How do we plan for multiple people in the danger queue? Again, scum can easily make a majority vote. I don't think we should be disorganized, but I'm still not sure if just all-pushing one person is the way to go. I want to see more reasoning behind it. With the voting, scum can vote bandwagon, with pushing, they can push bandwagon. There must be some consolidation possible. As for myself, I don't have any super strong scum reads right now, but I wouldn't be above burning one of the lurkers. I think Darm did something stupid, but I don't think that's enough to kill him for yet. I agree with meapak that the vote isn't infallible, and I don't like how keifru is coming on so aggressive and tunneling already. I'm still deciding if that's a scum move or aggressive town. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On March 19 2011 05:27 Kenpachi wrote: can i ask why are we voting when theres only a push or pull function? did i miss something? Pushes and pulls are permanent, voting lets us apply pressure and try to plan out the pushes and pulls. Voting also lets us change our mind before our actions take effect. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
1. I thought of an idea to help town win very quickly. 2. I asked people to push me to a position that makes my ability effective 3. I turned on my ability 4. Ace changes my ability slightly and i get a redo to turn on my ability 5. I get pushed twice 6. I turn on my ability 7. I get pulled 8. Ace updates and puts a red light in the post (which has to do with my ability) 9. I'm about to post some revealing information 10. Ace says "don't post anything yet, i updated" 11. Red light picture is gone, my ability gets turned off since i get moved after i iturned it on and I lose my ability to pop 12. Sad Panda  | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
So, town, do I use my push on Kirfu or sit this one out? I need to go in 5 minutes. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
Peace! | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On March 19 2011 05:40 CubEdIn wrote: Sorry about that, you should have been more specific, I really was trying to get you in the correct spot. So, town, do I use my push on Kirfu or sit this one out? I need to go in 5 minutes. if you are mafia for 6 games in a row, that would be insane. I think you should push someone, not sure about kirfu yet though. I'm still suspicious of chaoser, but i'm also a little more suspicious of gmarshal since he pushed 2 minutes after chaosers push, also he supports policy lynching (which is generally wrong in my short experience). I don't have push or pull power until next day, but i am suspicous of gmarshal right now. | ||
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On March 19 2011 05:40 darmousseh wrote: Also, don't walk to mcdonalds for lunch when it's raining, i'm soaking wet. Honestly, it's a bad idea to LUNCH at mcdonalds in general. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On March 19 2011 06:18 Rean wrote: Honestly, it's a bad idea to LUNCH at mcdonalds in general. Yeah i agree, last time i go there probably. Unfortunately its the closest thing to my work place and i was out a car today since the wife took it. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On March 19 2011 04:33 GMarshal wrote: Let me start with a ##Unvote ##Vote Keifru Hi! Welcome to TL, I want to see how you handle pressure, especially after that terrible OMGUS vote against Meapak + Show Spoiler [ vote tally 3] + Vote Tally 1.3 Current Vote Tally 1. Mr. Wiggles (0) 2. GGQ (0) 3. OriginalName (0) 4. Kenpachi (0) 5. Meapak_Ziphh (1) Keifru 6. annul(0) 7. bumatlarge (0) 8. kitaman27(0) 9. Keifru(2) GMarshal Meapak_Ziphh 10. Insanious (0) 11. chaoser (0) 12. darmousseh (1) chaoser 13. RoL(0) 14. GMarshal (0) 15. Eiii(0) 16. CubEdIn (1) darmousseh 17. Rean(0) Not currently voting: Mr. Wiggles GGQ OriginalName Kenpachi annul bumatlarge kitaman27 Insanious RoL Eiii CubEdIn Rean Current Vote Leader is: Keifru with 2 votes a majority has NOT been reached This whole voting thing is retarded as fuck and is only going to lead to town stagnation and mafia controlling the incinerator. We are using 24 hour day cycles, this is going to go by extremely fast and by bitching around with MEANINGLESS votes you are wasting our time. I can't remember who said this earlier, but I am going to correct them right now. The voting shit you guys are trying to implement is NOTHING like voting in a normal game for one key reason. In this game voting has no actual weight behind it, it is simply air. Its a bureaucratic waste time tool and it can only fuck us over and give the mafia way more influence. The fact is we don't have time to carefully plan out some elaborate vote in this then decide how to act. This system is BOUND to fail because we don't have an adequate amount of time to discuss all possibilities, and if we stick with it the mafia will be able to abuse that like what Keifru is doing to keep us in check in fear of looking "scummy" by pushing people and not voting. Darmouseh made probably one of the best arguments against this for why this voting idea can't possibly work. We have the potential for MASS lynches, while in a normal game its one lynch. How do we decide what vote count qualifies someone to get lynched, then organize votes accordingly? Then make sure everyone follows through? We can't. Trying to force the town into such a rigidly organized manner will inevitably lead to more chaos then it is meant to protect us from. Its simply impossible to enforce, and as a "policy" it is completely anti town. On that note, I would put a FoS on Keifru. I would be totally fine with pushing him today. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On March 18 2011 05:05 kitaman27 wrote: I have a feeling a big problem will be last minute queue manipulation. For example, if someone has the ability increase the size of the incineration zone, if they want to use their ability they will have to make a fake claim that cannot be confirmable. I would be willing to go along with the idea. I know scum will probably try to make excuses about how they can't change their vote because they voted early on in the day cycle. It might be hard to pull off with only a 24 hour voting cycle though. There are a couple of things here. Kita sees one of the issues with the voting idea and goes along with it. Whatever that's not too bad, since others went along with it too, right? The next thing is mass claiming is really stupid. We have no idea how crazy the abilities can get, and its a gamble either way. We have absolutely no idea how hard the mafia can ream us for that, and since the game has crazy and unique abilities we will have no way of discerning which abilities are lies, and which are legitimate. However the mafia will know which abilities they can exploit, and which to focus down. Mass claiming is stupid. Don't do it. The only set up I have ever seen that a mass claim would work in is Harry Potter mafia, simply because we knew what roles existed and any duplicates were mafia. Hence why it was banned. The third thing that struck me as really odd was his reference to an ability to increase the incineration zone. It strikes me as something he is pulling out as being similar to one of the mafia's own abilities. Increasing the incineration zone is a move that would be clearly beneficial to mafia since it would allow them to kill off many town at once, possibly even safely if they can control exactly when the zone increases. I think this is more than enough for a day one lynch and I feel fine with it. If we also wanna push Keifru I would be alright with that too. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 19 2011 07:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: There are a couple of things here. Kita sees one of the issues with the voting idea and goes along with it. Whatever that's not too bad, since others went along with it too, right? Your logic doesn't work here. I was the first person to respond to GMarshal. Oh right, my tarot cards told me others would agree too. On March 19 2011 07:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: The next thing is mass claiming is really stupid. We have no idea how crazy the abilities can get, and its a gamble either way. On March 19 2011 00:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: All I have seen so far is you guys discussing boring shit relating to being safe. Time to ball up. ##Push Kitaman27 First its too safe and now too much of a gamble. Make up your mind. The reasoning I suggested it was exactly for the reason we don't know how crazy the abilities might be. On March 19 2011 00:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: The third thing that struck me as really odd was his reference to an ability to increase the incineration zone. It strikes me as something he is pulling out as being similar to one of the mafia's own abilities. Increasing the incineration zone is a move that would be clearly beneficial to mafia since it would allow them to kill off many town at once, possibly even safely if they can control exactly when the zone increases. Wait, what? I was responding to GMarshal with a potential mafia ability that they could use against us. And then you attack me by saying "whoa look at the role! I bet he copied it from his scum buddies!" And this was enough that you were willing to cast your vote? | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On March 19 2011 04:52 kitaman27 wrote: Annul if you love to play day one aggressively like you say, anything to add?  no. i just got home from day 1 of the quidditch swamp cup 2011! www.swampcup.org -- the university of florida quidditch team is currently in second place and i am about to take a shower and get dinner and go to sleep. that said i have read the thread but anything i say is going to be retarded anyway since my mind isnt in a good state right now. but to risk retardation, my gut says darmo has a power that requires being moved repeatedly. i dont believe it "gets turned off if he gets moved once it is on" -- i think he must have an ultimate that turns on if he is moved a total number of times without dying. something to consider. ##wait | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
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