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On March 19 2011 11:54 Keifru wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 11:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Until the page hits 50, you can click the all button, and that will display all posts. You can then use ctrl+f to search things. Also, if you click the profile button above someone's name, then on their profile page, hit "posts" you can see all their posts and link to each one. Useful for looking through what 1 person said all game.
As for lurkers, I pointed out two, Kenpachi and Rean. Neither have posted anything substantial yet, and I was going to push/pull one or both, before the deadline got extended. Yes, but the ability to have it list how many posts X person has made in the thread at pretty much a glance is nice. Also, CTRL+F+<Name> takes longer due to it also hitting people talking about the guy. Kenpachi: Why should we not vote you?Rean: Why should we not vote you?
Well, i have no insight on the situation atm cause i dont understand what you guys are arguing about or maybe i just dont find it important enough. care to recap?
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when using CTRL + F use their username + country. It's not recorded in quotes so you will only get posts by that user. If you also use the TL search function you can get each individual post, although I only use that after page 50.
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On March 19 2011 12:36 Kenpachi wrote:
Well, i have no insight on the situation atm cause i dont understand what you guys are arguing about or maybe i just dont find it important enough. care to recap?
What are your opinions on voting vs just PoPing?
What are your thoughts on RoL's sudden PoP?
Who do you have your eye on?
What are your thoughts on Keifru vs Meapak?
And, again,
Why should we not burn you/throw you off?
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but i can answer that first one. I support it because i didnt realize this would be a disasterous mess and that greatly helps mafia.
the last one, because im awesome
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I suggest we all use username + country when talking about someone, so we piss off RebirthOfLeGenD USA and his searching patterns!
But yeah, good that day goes longer. I'll go sleep.
##unvote
##vote Kenpachi
Tell us what you think about the game so far.
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faunsfaugfbnaqugn
/ragequit
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On March 19 2011 13:26 Kenpachi wrote:
faunsfaugfbnaqugn
/ragequit
dude, take a chill pill, relax. Take a deep breath.
Now you know your rep here... so people pick on you early. Just take a deep breath, try to answer questions, and you will 9 times out of 10 survive.
You rage quitting doesn't help you, and doesn't help the town. Just try to get some ideas down in the thread and we can talk about moving the pressure away.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
By the way, if you type and then make three spaces after it in ctrl+f it'll only bring up posts that person has made.
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On March 19 2011 12:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
when using CTRL + F use their username + country. It's not recorded in quotes so you will only get posts by that user. If you also use the TL search function you can get each individual post, although I only use that after page 50.
On March 19 2011 14:35 flamewheel wrote:By the way, if you type <person name> and then make three spaces after it in ctrl+f it'll only bring up posts that person has made.
You actually only need their username + 2 spaces. 
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On March 19 2011 13:02 Kenpachi wrote:
care to recap?
I won't recap because I'd rather you form your own opinions rather than read my attempt at an unbiased report.
The questions are to spur you to look for specifics, and therefor, really read.
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On March 19 2011 12:49 Keifru wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 12:36 Kenpachi wrote:
Well, i have no insight on the situation atm cause i dont understand what you guys are arguing about or maybe i just dont find it important enough. care to recap? What are your opinions on voting vs just PoPing? What are your thoughts on RoL's sudden PoP? Who do you have your eye on? What are your thoughts on Keifru vs Meapak? And, again, Why should we not burn you/throw you off?
1. I'd prefer voting, prevents people from making rash/hasty (quick? not sure about the right word here) decisions without hearing other people's side first, since PoPing is non-changeable.
2. I guess he wanted to get the game going a bit faster.
3. Kenpachi for responding in a rather stupid fashion to being pressured, Darmousseh for ruining some pushes/pulls (although his story does sound legit, the question is if his power is really pro-town).
4. Neither seem terribly suspicious atm, you're both just trying to bait someone into saying something stupid that could reveal their true colors.
5. Because you'd be wasting valuable PoP's.
Noob questions:
What do "OMGUS" and "FoS" stand for?
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On March 19 2011 18:19 Rean wrote:
Noob questions:
What do "OMGUS" and "FoS" stand for?
Oh
My
God
U
Suck
Aka: "You voted for me, so I'm voting you"
Finger
of
Suspicion
Aka: IGMEOY
I
Got
My
Eye
On
You
Hrm...more posts of a similar quality and I'll not have any qualms.
Liking Rean over Kenpachi from their posts.
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On March 19 2011 08:25 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 07:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On March 18 2011 05:05 kitaman27 wrote:On March 18 2011 04:48 GMarshal wrote:On March 18 2011 04:44 kitaman27 wrote:
Since only scum know who other scum are, we could try to enact a policy to never pull to try to limit their ability to manipulate the queue.
As all toys have roles, a mass claim should probably eventually take place. That way we don't have any surprises, or at least less surprises. Some roles are going to be more pro-town than others, so that will give us something to work with, especially if they are conformable. Since the scum only have a single kp, they are going to have a hard time picking off all the good blues without the use of the queue. Personals I disagree, I think a mass claim is a poor idea, it just gives mafia the ideal targets to hit, and we know that scum has only one kill per night, but they may have something to compensate for that (a role reverser, or role blocker, or something) I do think that claiming when we don't know what the mafia can do with this information is a poor idea. I have a feeling a big problem will be last minute queue manipulation. For example, if someone has the ability increase the size of the incineration zone, if they want to use their ability they will have to make a fake claim that cannot be confirmable. On March 18 2011 04:48 GMarshal wrote:
Also what do you think of my "fake vote" idea to determine deaths? Is it completely insane or is it a workable plan? I would be willing to go along with the idea. I know scum will probably try to make excuses about how they can't change their vote because they voted early on in the day cycle. It might be hard to pull off with only a 24 hour voting cycle though. There are a couple of things here. Kita sees one of the issues with the voting idea and goes along with it. Whatever that's not too bad, since others went along with it too, right? Your logic doesn't work here. I was the first person to respond to GMarshal. Oh right, my tarot cards told me others would agree too. Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 07:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
The next thing is mass claiming is really stupid. We have no idea how crazy the abilities can get, and its a gamble either way. Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 00:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
All I have seen so far is you guys discussing boring shit relating to being safe.
Time to ball up.
##Push Kitaman27
First its too safe and now too much of a gamble. Make up your mind. The reasoning I suggested it was exactly for the reason we don't know how crazy the abilities might be.
You are referring to two different topics. I was talking about this voting idea being too safe, and flawed by nature. Mass role claiming was just a stupid idea. The difference is the voting idea could theoretically have some merit if we lived in the perfect world, but we don't. Under no circumstance (In this game) would I ever think mass role claiming is a good idea.
Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 00:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
The third thing that struck me as really odd was his reference to an ability to increase the incineration zone. It strikes me as something he is pulling out as being similar to one of the mafia's own abilities. Increasing the incineration zone is a move that would be clearly beneficial to mafia since it would allow them to kill off many town at once, possibly even safely if they can control exactly when the zone increases. Wait, what? I was responding to GMarshal with a potential mafia ability that they could use against us. And then you attack me by saying "whoa look at the role! I bet he copied it from his scum buddies!" And this was enough that you were willing to cast your vote?
Yes, for the moment I feel it was a perfectly good reason to cast my vote. I think my reasoning has credibility, whether you think it does or not, I don't care.
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On March 19 2011 13:15 CubEdIn wrote:
I suggest we all use username + country when talking about someone, so we piss off RebirthOfLeGenD USA and his searching patterns!
But yeah, good that day goes longer. I'll go sleep.
##unvote
##vote Kenpachi
Tell us what you think about the game so far.
It's cool dude, I can just include month ^_^
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On March 19 2011 12:49 Keifru wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 12:36 Kenpachi wrote:
Well, i have no insight on the situation atm cause i dont understand what you guys are arguing about or maybe i just dont find it important enough. care to recap? What are your opinions on voting vs just PoPing?
Stupid as fuck.
What are your thoughts on RoL's sudden PoP?
Guy's legit.
Who do you have your eye on?[/quote]
You and Kita at the moment.
What are your thoughts on Keifru vs Meapak?
Kill both of you, work out the details later.
And, again,
Why should we not burn you/throw you off?
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On March 19 2011 20:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Kill both of you, work out the details later.
I love you too.
On March 19 2011 20:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 12:49 Keifru wrote:
What are your opinions on voting vs just PoPing? Stupid as fuck.
Hrm, even with 48 hour days, you feel that is still insufficient time for the use of voting to work?
What would you say constitutes as 'enough' time?
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Kenpachi stop being a wuss and contribute!
All everyone is asking is that you give us your impressions of the game so far.
I'm not having another game with lurkers that live to the last day because nobody is bothering them like LD did in 37, especially with no PM circle to hide behind.
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(ok so it might be a slight exaggeration but you get my point)
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[QUOTE]On March 19 2011 11:34 Keifru wrote:
My thoughts on pretty much everything I've missed, but first...
Here is a big point about using the voting system before burning:
It allows the lynched person to state their claim. If we just push them into the fire or throw them off the belt, they have no chance to really claim- bringing people INTO burn/push range would waste our PoP's should we decide to not lynch them post-claim.
And I'm against disallowance of claims.
What motivation does a townie have to allow claims, if people start claiming it just provides a sniping guide for the mafia. This is even worse in this game when we don’t know the roles; mafia can invent anything that sounds protown as long as it’s plausible. You say that “If we just push them into the fire or throw them off the belt, they have no chance to really claim” come on dude, claiming a powerful role is like the oldest mafia trick in the book to get out of a lynch. A better argument would have gone like this, If we just push them into the fire or throw them off the belt, they have no chance to Defend themselves. If you had made that argument then I would have replied that it’s going to be REALLY hard to kill people because everyone will be hesitant about using their only action. I doubt there will be any massive bandwagons that suddenly appear and sweep someone from the game.
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[QUOTE]On March 19 2011 03:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Your'e relying on the town having a unanimous vote and everyone who votes for different people from the majority are scum. Let's take a look at some past voting charts.
<snip>
Hey do these votes look unanimous? Imagine if a day ended like this, it's very possible that a person who doesn't have the majority wins the vote.[/QUOTE]
I never said unanimous in any of my posts. I have continuously said majority. And from what I see, all your lists had a majority vote on one person.
On March 19 2011 03:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Alright I'll try to explain what I mean (again for Keifru). Say I get the majority of the vote but only just the majority. That wont be enough to kill me. Suppose for a second that I'm mafia, it would be soooo easy for them to prevent me from dying even if I won the lynch. Now say that there are a couple of holdouts who think originalname is mafia. They get to kill him because he's so close to the edge. There are always dissenting townies so what is all three people voting for ON are town. They believe that he is scum so they vote him and he dies because of his place. This is what I'm trying to say THE VOTING WONT DETERMINE WHO DIES.
[QUOTE]On March 19 2011 03:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
No it's not  How many more times do I have to say this. The person who is voted to be lynched may not be the person who dies.
If someone reaches majority they will die. If it takes two days, so be it, but they will die. I've played in games (and actually am involved in another game) with a psuedo-similar method of 'lynching'. If a majority is reached, and they don't die, we arn't going "okay, now who's up"...they're going to get killed.
You're taking what I'm saying to specifically; No, voting will not be like any other game and DIRECTLY kill someone, but the majority vote will still end up dead.
THE MAJORITY WILL NOT KILL EVERYONE HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT.
[QUOTE]On March 19 2011 04:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Let's use this voting tally as an example
<snip>
Let's say that Pandain is where I am and LSB is where OriginalName is. Look, I won the vote but I'm not dying because of where I am on the chart. Oh look, LSB is dying even though he didn't win the vote, he's dying because of where he is on the chart.[/QUOTE]
Again, there is no majority, and therefor I believe there shouldn't be a PoP period. This keeps close people from being sniped by scum or town who are wrong. I would rather a No Lynch than people just pushing to get someone killed.
Fair enough so you say that if there is no SUPER majority we don’t lynch?(because in a case like the one above there was someone with more votes than everyone else and therefore would have died.) That’s about the scummiest thing I’ve heard out of you so far (and that’s saying something since you’ve been hardcore tunneling which I consider to be pretty scummy). In a game like this we may never reach a majority, so your advice is to not lynch anyone? Cool! Mafia picks us off one by one till lylo.
Dude you need to start reading what I post and stop tunneling, this debate is really getting the town nowhere other than spamming the thread with me saying the exact same thing to you every time you post. I’m moving on.
Unfortunately I’ll be gone for the rest of the day so I’ll take this opportunity to
##Pull Rean
##Push Keifru
My reasoning is that Keifru has been hardcore tunneling the moment I engaged him. This may seem like a bit of an OMGUS but I would be voting him regardless of who he was tunneling. He’s basically attacked the same point over and over even though I’ve already answered it. I find this repetition to be pretty scummy because it’s just helping the mafia by spamming the thread with useless stuff. Pages of him and me arguing are not very conducive to an active and engaged town. This alone didn’t qualify him as scum in my book until his last post (the one I quoted). He reveals two very antitown sentiments in this post, he is for claiming and supports going no lynch if an absolute majority can’t be made. Claiming is bad. End of story. We’ve seen it punish TL towns sooo many times it ceases to be funny. In this game it’s even worse because everyone has a role but nobody knows what the roles are, thus it’s easy for the mafia to fake a role and blend in. Going no lynch is also bad. If we refuse to use our KP then we just let the mafia shred us every night. It’ll take a while but if we don’t start lynching then the mafia will laugh all the way to lylo. I’m not saying we lynch indiscriminately but we need to start using pushes and pulls. Ace even said at the beginning of the game that the only way to win is by utilizing them. In my mind we have a pretty good target right here.
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