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On March 20 2011 07:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 06:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On March 19 2011 20:19 Keifru wrote:On March 19 2011 20:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Kill both of you, work out the details later.
I love you too. On March 19 2011 20:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On March 19 2011 12:49 Keifru wrote:
What are your opinions on voting vs just PoPing? Stupid as fuck. Hrm, even with 48 hour days, you feel that is still insufficient time for the use of voting to work? What would you say constitutes as 'enough' time? If you have ever seen a democracy actually try to work through an issue you would know that is a fool's question. We could have week long days and would be lucky if we actually resolved exactly what the hell we wanted to do. 48 hours is definitely better, but I still think the proposed voting system is irreparably flawed. I'm wondering what you propose then? I'm not disagreeing, just wondering what your opinion is, out of curiosity. Should we try to enforce any system, or just go for total anarchy? My only reservation with complete freedom, is that it makes it more easy for us to achieve a situation where no one's lynched, because everyone disagrees, and all the pulls counteract the pushes. Then again, that's just in theory, maybe people will listen to reason in scumhunting.
I think there is an inherent problem with trying to enforce some sort of system. I think it would lead to policy lynch abuse by mafia which is not worth the trade off. As far as a system goes, even Anarchy has a structure of sorts. We should ALWAYS do what makes sense. What that means is think your shit through properly. Before I brought up how stupid this voting idea was most people just sheeped with it. That is dumb, use some critical thinking skills and realize that there are flaws with every plan and decide if the pros outweigh the cons.
As far as a bunch of non lynches go, that will never be a problem if you guys put an ounce of effort into this game. Propose a target, give good reasoning, then argue your points until people see your weigh. Exactly like what I did with Keifru and Kitaman.
Which brings me to my next point. Less than 12 hours remain. Start pushing both of them. Although, I am also interested in hearing Keifru's excuse for his inability to be pushed though.
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On March 20 2011 07:31 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I think there is an inherent problem with trying to enforce some sort of system. I think it would lead to policy lynch abuse by mafia which is not worth the trade off. As far as a system goes, even Anarchy has a structure of sorts. We should ALWAYS do what makes sense. What that means is think your shit through properly. Before I brought up how stupid this voting idea was most people just sheeped with it. That is dumb, use some critical thinking skills and realize that there are flaws with every plan and decide if the pros outweigh the cons.
Some people believe using a normal Mafia system of voting has pros that outweigh the cons. Atleast I do.
As far as a bunch of non lynches go, that will never be a problem if you guys put an ounce of effort into this game. Propose a target, give good reasoning, then argue your points until people see your weigh. Exactly like what I did with Keifru and Kitaman.
I just wish you would give reasoning/argue and then PoP them next time. =/
Which brings me to my next point. Less than 12 hours remain. Start pushing both of them. Although, I am also interested in hearing Keifru's excuse for his inability to be pushed though.
I can be pushed/pulled. Its just a little bit harder.
I'm getting the feeling role analysis and...can't remember the word for it at the moment, are not done much here...
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come on, the deadline is fast approaching and someone should be hung, Keifru currently is leading in votes, but he takes some effort to push (im assuming double the pushes or pulls). Do we really want the day to end with a no lynch guys?
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On March 20 2011 08:25 GMarshal wrote:
come on, the deadline is fast approaching and someone should be hung, Keifru currently is leading in votes, but he takes some effort to push (im assuming double the pushes or pulls). Do we really want the day to end with a no lynch guys?
You'll kill a lot of people before I get into the flames or fall off, just giving you a heads up.
I don't think you're understanding when I say I'm a wall separating who can be pushed into the flames/pulled off the belt. Actually, if I'd take a guess, I'd say Ace added that change so people can be pulled off was to fix a problem that would occur otherwise because of my role.
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I think he's saying people can't move past him.
Also, because there's no one else proposing things:
##Push: Kenpachi
##Pull: Annul
Lurkers gonna lurk. Putting actual pressure on them.
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On March 20 2011 08:25 GMarshal wrote:
come on, the deadline is fast approaching and someone should be hung, Keifru currently is leading in votes, but he takes some effort to push (im assuming double the pushes or pulls). Do we really want the day to end with a no lynch guys?
This bugs me. We don't NEED lynch someone; and lynching someone JUST to be lynching someone is idiocy, no matter who it is. We have a higher chance of lynching town than scum, so 'random' lynching will only help scum.
@GMarshal: Is your vote still just because of the "weak OMGUS vote", or does it have other weights to it now?
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##Push: Keifru
##Pull: Annul
My ability has been used so I can't pop, but this is what i would do now.
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Ok so I've been thinking, and RoL is right with the problems with the voting plan
1) It lets the mafia bandwagon and actually promotes bandwagoning so people can use it as an excuse so to why they voted for someone.
2) While in an ideal situation it might work out as planned, due to people being not being organized it will probably only have half the players following it and that defeats its purpose which is to bring about some sort of order/organization to town.
I was wondering if we all moved closer to the fire? Not like right next to the fire but maybe two away from it. Mafia would be afraid of being burned while townies are less so cause they're just part of a big group. Right now it seems like we can't get anywhere in terms getting enough people organized to push people into the fire.
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##Push: Keifru
Let's see how your ability works, because right now you're just talking around it.
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On March 20 2011 09:03 Rean wrote:
##Push: Keifru
Let's see how your ability works, because right now you're just talking around it.
Which should've been:
##Push: Keifru
Apologies, forgot to bold it.
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##push: RoL
##pull: Meapak_Ziphh
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##push: RoL
##pull: Meapak_Ziphh
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god damn it. ##Wait
ill be back later
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Hrm, this is what my personal list looks like. Anyone else care to throw one together? Even if its just a top 3 scumspects. 
Towngibles
Kitaman27 - Liking the posts
RoL - town vibes
GGQ - liking his posts
Eiii - like the posts made but I would like more for better accuracy.
Mr. Wiggles - Leaning town, but a lot of setup talk and not a lot of scum hunting fmpov...bears watching.
Neutrals/No Read
Rean
Chaoser
OriginalName
Annul
CubEdin
Darmousseh - I believe he does have a positional-based trigger ability (at minimum) but I don't know if he is town or scum as such an ability could go either way.
Insanious - Something feels a bit off to me from one of his posts, but I can't put my finger on it and its not strong enough to put him into even leaning scumspects. Really want more posts from you.
Scumspects
GMarshal - Rereading posts, came across this from Kitaman:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2011 04:52 kitaman27 wrote:
I find it questionable that your whole platform has been to carefully plan out the voting before making a dumb push/pull that cannot be undone and then the first thing you do is to Push darm. Even the way it went down was weird. You ask him a question and then without waiting for a response "accidentally" push him a second time. How effective do you expect your pressure votes to be, when you don't even have a vote of your own?
So I'm leaning scum on GM, as I find this to be a good point.
Bumatlarge - leaning slightly scum on him
Meapak - At first, I had a small vibe that I might be in a townie vs townie arguement, but his posts have increasingly made me believe it was a false alarm.
Bleh Pile
Kenpachi
Ponymouse
Keifru
Other Notes
If Chaoser or Darm is scum, I believe the other is town (not saying one must be scum) due to some of their interactions.
@Mod: Do we know if scum have daytalk, or if its just night talk?
In short: More posting and more hunting =V (especially from the Neutrals)
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On March 20 2011 09:03 Rean wrote:
Let's see how your ability works, because right now you're just talking around it.
"Lets push the shiny button because its shiny"
*facepalm*
So, you're wanting me dead because I'm not coming out and fullclaiming, but instead, breadcrumbing? Just want to make sure here.
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On March 20 2011 04:33 GMarshal wrote:+ Show Spoiler [ vote tally 4] +Vote Tally 1.4
Current Vote Tally
1. Mr. Wiggles (0)
2. GGQ (0)
3. OriginalName (0)
4. Kenpachi (1)
CubEdIn
5. Meapak_Ziphh (1)
Keifru
6. annul(0)
7. bumatlarge (0)
8. kitaman27(0)
GMarshal
9. Keifru(3)
GMarshal
Meapak_Ziphh
RoL
10. Insanious (0)
11. chaoser (0)
12. darmousseh (2)
chaoser
GGQ
Keifru
13. RoL(0)
14. GMarshal (0)
15. Eiii(0)
16. CubEdIn (1)
darmousseh
17. Rean(1)
Mr. Wiggles
Not currently voting: ,OriginalName Kenpachi annul bumatlarge kitaman27 Insanious Eiii Rean
Current Vote Leader is: Keifru with 2 votes
a majority has NOT been reached
I voted, just forgot to bold it :S
On March 19 2011 09:34 Eiii wrote:
##vote Meapak_Ziphh
I don't like that people are pushing that we 'should lynch someone today', since we have the ability to masslynch pretty much whenever we want.
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On March 20 2011 09:22 Keifru wrote:Hrm, this is what my personal list looks like. Anyone else care to throw one together? Even if its just a top 3 scumspects. Towngibles Kitaman27 - Liking the posts RoL - town vibes GGQ - liking his posts Eiii - like the posts made but I would like more for better accuracy. Mr. Wiggles - Leaning town, but a lot of setup talk and not a lot of scum hunting fmpov...bears watching. Neutrals/No Read Rean Chaoser OriginalName Annul CubEdin Darmousseh - I believe he does have a positional-based trigger ability (at minimum) but I don't know if he is town or scum as such an ability could go either way. Insanious - Something feels a bit off to me from one of his posts, but I can't put my finger on it and its not strong enough to put him into even leaning scumspects. Really want more posts from you. Scumspects GMarshal - Rereading posts, came across this from Kitaman: + Show Spoiler +On March 19 2011 04:52 kitaman27 wrote:
I find it questionable that your whole platform has been to carefully plan out the voting before making a dumb push/pull that cannot be undone and then the first thing you do is to Push darm. Even the way it went down was weird. You ask him a question and then without waiting for a response "accidentally" push him a second time. How effective do you expect your pressure votes to be, when you don't even have a vote of your own?
So I'm leaning scum on GM, as I find this to be a good point. Bumatlarge - leaning slightly scum on him Meapak - At first, I had a small vibe that I might be in a townie vs townie arguement, but his posts have increasingly made me believe it was a false alarm. Bleh Pile Kenpachi Ponymouse Keifru Other Notes If Chaoser or Darm is scum, I believe the other is town (not saying one must be scum) due to some of their interactions. @Mod: Do we know if scum have daytalk, or if its just night talk?In short: More posting and more hunting =V (especially from the Neutrals)
All scum have daytalk in TL games
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I don't see a majority being reached; If this continues to D2 with only smattering support for voting I'll have to write it off. Until then...
##Pull Eiii
##Push CubEdin
I'm going to make it a little harder to snipe some people. Eiii because I think of the people I could Pull that are 'close' to the flames, he is better to have around; CubEdin because I'd rather have him around over Insanious at the moment.
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On March 20 2011 09:33 OriginalName wrote:
All scum have daytalk in TL games
Snazzy to know- I won't comlain about confirmed information like this.
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On March 20 2011 09:07 chaoser wrote:
##push: RoL
##pull: Meapak_Ziphh
EBWOTPP (jeez I missed this):
Expound your reasons plox
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