EPTOn March 19 2011 02:27 Keifru wrote:
EBWODPP:
Specifically, I find the reasoning horrible.
EBWODPP:
Specifically, I find the reasoning horrible.
Newbie question: what does EBWODPP stand for?
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
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Keifru
United States179 Posts
On March 19 2011 02:37 Rean wrote: Specifically, I find the reasoning horrible. Newbie question: what does EBWODPP stand for?[/QUOTE] Edit By Way of Double Post ... Post =/ Its due to the inabilty to edit posts- you have to make a second post to correct anything in a previous post. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
FOS: chaoser NEW POLICY: DO NOT PUSH OR PULL UNTIL YOU WAIT 5 MINUTES AFTER DECLARING YOU WILL DO SO. That should save us from doing dumb things like what just happened. | ||
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Keifru
United States179 Posts
On March 19 2011 02:49 darmousseh wrote: I also find chaoser's voting not only really quick, but quite unlike him in games where he is town. FOS: chaoser NEW POLICY: DO NOT PUSH OR PULL UNTIL YOU WAIT 5 MINUTES AFTER DECLARING YOU WILL DO SO. That should save us from doing dumb things like what just happened. I believe people pushing you to turn on your ability 'because I want to use my ability'...on day 1... a pretty dumb thing. I guess I've learned two dumb things make a smart thing? Of course this is all assuming you're ability actually turned off.  | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 20.[___________] [___________] 19.[___________] [___________] 18.[___________] [___________] 17.[___________] [___________] 16.[___________] [___________] 15.[OriginalName] [___________] 14.[Mr.Wiggles] [Kenpachi] 13.[chaoser] [Eiii] 12.[darmousseh] [___________] 11.[RoL] [bumatlarge] 10.[Meapak_Ziphh] [Rean] 9. [kitaman27] [___________] 8. [Keifru] [___________] 7. [GGQ] [___________] 6. [annul] [___________] 5. [Insanious] [___________] 4. [CubEdln] [GMarshal] 3. [___________] [___________] 2. [___________] [___________] 1. [___________] [___________] PoPs- Day 1 + Show Spoiler + Mr. Wiggles GGQ OriginalName Kenpachi Meapak_Ziphh annul bumatlarge kitaman27 Keifru Insanious chaoser darmousseh RoL Push kitaman27 GMarshal Push darmousseh Eiii CubEdIn Pull darmousseh Rean Day 1 ends at 12AM ET/13:00 KST Saturday March 19th chaoser's Push didn't count since he didn't use ## | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6788 Posts
[QUOTE]On March 18 2011 16:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This makes things even more interesting because now Cube and GM are good targets for the mafia to knock off if one of their own is in danger. At this point I really don't know what voting will do for us because it will be all to easy for the mafia to interfere. As I said before, if someone goes to the trouble of arranging voting I'll play along but everyone should be aware that this vote is really just ceremonial and the real controlling factor in the lynches is gonna be position.[/QUOTE] I don't like this post of yours. Voting will leave a vote trail, which is incredibly good for us. If we just fling PoPs around willy-nilly, it does nothing and we can't use it to find scum very well. lol I'm not sure you read my post. I said I'd be more then willing to participate in voting if someone organizes it. However you missed the point of the bolded part, what I'm saying is that voting really doesn't determine who dies. It's true that voting will leave a trail Which is why I said I'd participate but the point of my posts were to let people know that we should be prepared for the winner of the lynh vote to escape death due to positioning. Now you've voted Darm. Nice move hotshot, [QUOTE]On March 19 2011 02:17 Keifru wrote: ##Vote Darmousseh Meapack is a close second at the moment. RoL is fighting his way to the top though.[/QUOTE] Hang on though, that might not be such a good idea after all. [QUOTE]On March 19 2011 02:27 Keifru wrote: EBWODPP: [QUOTE]On March 19 2011 02:26 Keifru wrote: [QUOTE]On March 19 2011 01:54 chaoser wrote: ...seriously? ##vote darmousseh you just wasted two pushes and a pull[/QUOTE] This is a horrible vote. [/QUOTE] Specifically, I find the reasoning horrible.[/QUOTE] So you actually think Darm is a "Terrible vote" You went back and corrected it saying that the reasoning was terrible. Well I think that reasoning is terrible. Mind explaining why the reasoning is terrible especially since you're voting for Darm yourself. Oh and remember I said I was going to participate in the voting? ##Vote Keifru | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6788 Posts
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Keifru
United States179 Posts
On March 19 2011 02:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lol I'm not sure you read my post. I said I'd be more then willing to participate in voting if someone organizes it. However you missed the point of the bolded part, what I'm saying is that voting really doesn't determine who dies. It's true that voting will leave a trail Which is why I said I'd participate but the point of my posts were to let people know that we should be prepared for the winner of the lynh vote to escape death due to positioning. Now you've voted Darm. Nice move hotshot, Your bolded part is you discouraging a vote because...mafia could interfere? With voting? So the mafia is going to go against a named town majority. (In this case, pushing someone to be burned aka lynched). I would gladly welcome scum to do such an action- especially since we can multi-kill without needing to pray for a vig. Votes will still kill people, if we reach a majority and ap layer is refusing to go with it- hey, perhaps they should be looked into! Because you know, its pretty anti-town to go against the town. On March 19 2011 02:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hang on though, that might not be such a good idea after all. So you actually think Darm is a "Terrible vote" You went back and corrected it saying that the reasoning was terrible. Well I think that reasoning is terrible. Mind explaining why the reasoning is terrible especially since you're voting for Darm yourself. Oh and remember I said I was going to participate in the voting? ##Vote Keifru Actually, I corrected myself to prevent the exact confusion- I find it a horrible reason to incriminate someone because some other people derp'd and burned their pushes/pulls (even if I believe they were stupid to use them in the first place) I still quite believe Darm is an acceptable lynch at this moment and would vote you to at the same time if I felt like Hydra Voting, but with 24 hour days, hydra votes would just make this degenerate into insanity (as well as the general vibe I'm getting form the game) RoL I'm also considering a lynch but I'd rather wait for his...reasoning...whatever it is as I'm quite content at the moment with you two. | ||
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
[QUOTE]On March 19 2011 02:17 Keifru wrote: [QUOTE]On March 18 2011 16:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This makes things even more interesting because now Cube and GM are good targets for the mafia to knock off if one of their own is in danger. At this point I really don't know what voting will do for us because it will be all to easy for the mafia to interfere. As I said before, if someone goes to the trouble of arranging voting I'll play along but everyone should be aware that this vote is really just ceremonial and the real controlling factor in the lynches is gonna be position.[/QUOTE] I don't like this post of yours. Voting will leave a vote trail, which is incredibly good for us. If we just fling PoPs around willy-nilly, it does nothing and we can't use it to find scum very well.[quote] lol I'm not sure you read my post. I said I'd be more then willing to participate in voting if someone organizes it. However you missed the point of the bolded part, what I'm saying is that voting really doesn't determine who dies. It's true that voting will leave a trail Which is why I said I'd participate but the point of my posts were to let people know that we should be prepared for the winner of the lynh vote to escape death due to positioning. Now you've voted Darm. Nice move hotshot, [QUOTE]On March 19 2011 02:17 Keifru wrote: ##Vote Darmousseh Meapack is a close second at the moment. RoL is fighting his way to the top though.[/QUOTE] Hang on though, that might not be such a good idea after all. [QUOTE]On March 19 2011 02:27 Keifru wrote: EBWODPP: [QUOTE]On March 19 2011 02:26 Keifru wrote: [QUOTE]On March 19 2011 01:54 chaoser wrote: ...seriously? ##vote darmousseh you just wasted two pushes and a pull[/QUOTE] This is a horrible vote. [/QUOTE] Specifically, I find the reasoning horrible.[/QUOTE] So you actually think Darm is a "Terrible vote" You went back and corrected it saying that the reasoning was terrible. Well I think that reasoning is terrible. Mind explaining why the reasoning is terrible especially since you're voting for Darm yourself. Oh and remember I said I was going to participate in the voting? ##Vote Keifru[/QUOTE] I believe that fixes it | ||
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6788 Posts
Oh and since you've clarified why Darm was a bad vote for Chaoser now I'd like to know why Darm is a good vote for you. | ||
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Keifru
United States179 Posts
On March 18 2011 16:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This makes things even more interesting because now Cube and GM are good targets for the mafia to knock off if one of their own is in danger. At this point I really don't know what voting will do for us because it will be all to easy for the mafia to interfere. As I said before, if someone goes to the trouble of arranging voting I'll play along but everyone should be aware that this vote is really just ceremonial and the real controlling factor in the lynches is gonna be position. On March 18 2011 15:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Well this is very odd. We can't start with the normal "let's lynch a lurker" mantra because we have a lot less control over who dies. It will be a lot easier to kill annul or originalname than it would be to kill bum, RoL, rean, or myself. This brings up several flaws with voting first then PoPing someone. Unless the vote is unanimous it will be difficult to kill people in the middle, while the town may vote to kill bum, RoL, rean, or I, if one of us is red it would be really easy for the mafia to kill someone else instead. If I'm counting right, originalname only needs two pushes to die but rean needs eight pushes to die. Day one lynches are rarely unanimous so there's a good chance that if everyone PoPs who they vote then there will be multiple options for the mafia to sabotage the lynch. This has been pretty convoluted so I'll try to sumarize: the person who gets lynched by popular vote may not necessarily be the one to die. I agree whole heartedly that we should always think before we PoP but I'm not sure a voting list will ensure we keep the lynch free of mafia shenanigans. I myself will try and save my PoPs till as late in the day as possible and I'll post in the thread who I plan to PoP throughout the day. If people decide to get up a voting list I'll join in but I just want everyone to remember that just because someone wins (loses  ?) the vote it doesn't mean they will die.All the bolded parts I find somewhat relevent to our current topic, Meapak. On March 19 2011 02:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lol I'm not sure you read my post. I said I'd be more then willing to participate in voting if someone organizes it. However you missed the point of the bolded part, what I'm saying is that voting really doesn't determine who dies. It's true that voting will leave a trail Which is why I said I'd participate but the point of my posts were to let people know that we should be prepared for the winner of the lynh vote to escape death due to positioning. With both of your posts in this post, I believe its easy to show you were quite against keeping a vote in the first place, saying quite a bit against it. "...multiple options for the mafia to sabotage the lynch..." "...but I'm not sure a voting list will ensure we keep the lynch free of mafia shenanigans..." "...remember that just because someone wins (loses?) the vote it doesn't mean they will die..." If we are unable to push someone to be lynched (or pull, as it happens) due to people being obstinate...then questions need to be asked. If they don't answer well, they should answer for their (lack) of actions. And then the next day we keep on pushing until they fall off the OTHER side of the tram (okay not really, but still.) | ||
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Keifru
United States179 Posts
On March 19 2011 03:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Alright I'll try to explain what I mean (again for Keifru). Say I get the majority of the vote but only just the majority. That wont be enough to kill me. Suppose for a second that I'm mafia, it would be soooo easy for them to prevent me from dying even if I won the lynch. Now say that there are a couple of holdouts who think originalname is mafia. They get to kill him because he's so close to the edge. There are always dissenting townies so what is all three people voting for ON are town. They believe that he is scum so they vote him and he dies because of his place. This is what I'm trying to say THE VOTING WONT DETERMINE WHO DIES. Oh and since you've clarified why Darm was a bad vote for Chaoser now I'd like to know why Darm is a good vote for you. No, they shouldn't/wouldn't kill him, because he never got a majority vote- even if it takes LESS than a majority, people SHOULD NOT kill people without a majority say-so. To do so is INCREDIBLY anti-town. Like mind-bashingly horribly anti-town. So much so, lynching the person(s) would do the town good even if they WEREN'T scum, because its bloody TERRIBLE. And if, for whatever reason, we are unable to push someone into the fire or toss them off one day, we'll just finish the job and continue voting for the next day. *shrug* His fishing at the time was sufficent for a vote from me and struck me as incredibly noob scum move. Then, I am against his "oh hey guys, I have an ability- just kinda push me up a bit so I can use it...oh thanks!" is something I don't like. I'm mulling over bumping you up to first from your reaction from my single vote/voiced suspicion. Plus, now that I've gone over and checked your posts, I don't find your stated reason to match up with what I see. Namely: "I said I'd be more then willing to participate in voting if someone organizes it" Doesn't line up to me compared to all your instances of speaking against voting. Hrm, I seem to have confinced myself while typing this. ##Unvote ##Vote Meapak | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
FOS on chaoser for now. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6788 Posts
On March 18 2011 04:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Now this I disagree with. particularly the "lets just push/pull whoever we like and it's their fault if they're scum." Look at the last game, people were voting LSB left and right but in the latter part of the day he BS'd his way out and managed to lynch a scum. Imagine a similar situation here, everyone votes and pushes someone into a death zone but then they realize they're lynching town and there's a much scummier target to be killed. If everyone had just pushed then the best they could do would be to pull the original target out of danger but would then have no way to pull their new target in. If we all voted first then we could control who gets killed a lot easier. Another problem with just letting things take their course is scum manipulation. We don't want to be in a position where the scum can determine the kill by a few well timed pushes at the end of the day. Since I'm such a quotable guy I thought I might quote myself on a few pages back supporting voting. This was before the day post came out and when it did it helped me visualize the setup and i realized the flaws of thie voting system. I still support voting but I think we all need to realize the the person who wins the vote may not be the person who dies (damn how many times have I said that). Mr. K I'm not sure if you're even reading my posts. My only intention has been to show that we cannot rely on the integrity of the voting. This does not mean voting doesn't help bring transparency to the game (which is why I've stated multiple times that I will participate in voting) but we should not expect our vote to be a sure thing. I've been pretty clear about this yet you still can't seem to grasp it. Before you reply to this I'd suggest you go back and read all the posts I've made. I am not against voting (I sound like a broken record) but we all need to realize the flaws of the plan. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6788 Posts
On January 25 2011 03:30 LSB wrote: Vote Tally Kavdragon (8) Kavdragon Ilovejonn RebirthOfLeGenD Mr.Zergling Kenpachi Darmousseh Eti307 Jackal58 RebirthOfLeGenD (2) GMarshal BrownBear Day to end in ~31.5 hours [QUOTE]On December 28 2010 06:42 Incognito wrote: Mr. Wiggles (1) Mr. Wiggles Pandain (4) tree.hugger bumatlarge Ryuu314 ~OpZ~ Jackal58 (0) LSB (3) annul TheMango Jackal58 DoctorHelvetica (2) RebirthOfLeGenD seRapH ShocKeyy (1) [QUOTE]On December 11 2010 10:07 Coagulation wrote: Hesmyrr d3_crescentia LSB tube Gabriel dinmsab Eiii Stormtemplar zeks KtheZ KtheZ Zeks Gabriel Infundibulum Node DarthThienAn Meapak_Ziphh chaoser Oceanic kenpachi tree.hugger Insanious Brocket LSB jcarlsoniv DCLXVI Kavdragon ShoCkeyy seRapH kitaman27 kitaman27 Deconduo Deconduo BrownBear BrownBear [/QUOTE] Hey do these votes look unanimous? Imagine if a day ended like this, it's very possible that a person who doesn't have the majority wins the vote. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6788 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On March 19 2011 03:43 darmousseh wrote: lol, so in the end, i thought i might get some information with my ability, and then the information was taken away as wrong information. Now i'm back at 0 information and no ability to pop. At least chaoser can still pop XD FOS on chaoser for now. What does that even mean "then the information was taken away as wrong information"? Why don't you have the ability to PoP? You didn't use any of them. I can only pull now thanks to you. Your reason to FoS me (usually chaoser doesn't vote that quickly, FOS!!) is so meta that on day 1 it doesn't even make sense. Really? I think I've played this game long enough to know how to screen my own posts if I'm mafia. I mean, I fooled GM and Barundar for DAYS on SKYPE. That's real time baby. If LSB hadn't been confirmed and I wasn't the next person on the vote list with the most votes I would have gotten away with it too. Fact of the matter is you made us waste 2 pushes and a pull and then go OOPS now I can't do my ability OOPS even if I could do it before I read it wrong so lawl, nevermind. Yeah, ok. EDIT: Oh cool, I still got my push. ##Vote darmousseh | ||
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Keifru
United States179 Posts
On March 19 2011 03:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Since I'm such a quotable guy I thought I might quote myself on a few pages back supporting voting. This was before the day post came out and when it did it helped me visualize the setup and i realized the flaws of thie voting system. I still support voting but I think we all need to realize the the person who wins the vote may not be the person who dies (damn how many times have I said that). Mr. K I'm not sure if you're even reading my posts. My only intention has been to show that we cannot rely on the integrity of the voting. This does not mean voting doesn't help bring transparency to the game (which is why I've stated multiple times that I will participate in voting) but we should not expect our vote to be a sure thing. I've been pretty clear about this yet you still can't seem to grasp it. Before you reply to this I'd suggest you go back and read all the posts I've made. I am not against voting (I sound like a broken record) but we all need to realize the flaws of the plan. Okay, your hypothetical situation of Person A being pushed into the fire- later, astounding evidence shows that he must, in fact, be town (beyond reasonable doubt). EGADS!...we just all use our Pull's and he is safe. You state that you've always been for voting, but you're posts are constantly riddled with anti-voting sentiment, more 'dragging your heels' rather than 'okay woo lets vote'. Voting this game is just like any other game. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6788 Posts
On March 19 2011 03:56 Keifru wrote: Voting this game is just like any other game. No it's not  How many more times do I have to say this. The person who is voted to be lynched may not be the person who dies. | ||
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