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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
January 25 2011 20:07 GMT
#4
/in !

I just went out on a different mafia game so that I can do this one.
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
January 25 2011 23:50 GMT
#12
Ok, here's my character

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaara

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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
January 26 2011 06:25 GMT
#23
On January 26 2011 15:11 shannn wrote:
My character: Q.
Sounds so fun :D



OMG, that is the best character......which Q though?
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
January 29 2011 04:14 GMT
#57
A hungry panda would never leave anything to rot. There's a lot of characters that have a lot to do with blood, except Q, who probably would never do such a thing
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
January 29 2011 18:35 GMT
#85
On January 30 2011 02:03 Node wrote:
While I agree that "disappeared in a giant burst of gravel" would seem to point towards Gaara, I don't think the story as a whole fits him that much. I don't know too much about the character, I'm just going by the Wikipedia article. Is there any plot in Naruto that mirrors the events in the day post at all?

Show nested quote +
On January 26 2011 08:50 LSB wrote:
Each day post will be about one mafia. It won't be obvious, but it will be pretty specific once you figure out what is happening.

One idea I have for a day post is a Sherlock Holmes story.
A typical Sherlock Holmes story gives you enough info that you figure out everything that is happening, and then Holmes explains what happens. What if I gave you a Sherlock Holmes story, but killed off Sherlock before he could explain what happened? There's all the information, and its up to you to figure out what happened.

EDIT: The clues will be much more specific than XXXVI. Once you figure it out what the day post is about, it will point to one person, but the problem is figuring it out.


This all seems to state that the story as a whole will point to a specific person, rather than there being a small reference slipped in somewhere. This makes me think that Carlos the Jackal is the best fit so far. I mean, it's a string of hostage situations caused by a terrorist organization. Does that sound like anybody else?


Obviously I'll be a little biased since my character is gaara, but

Gaara used sand and in all cases he always left behind traces of sand and thats it, he never any traces of blood. There was a character in naruto who was like gaara but used rocks, but he didn't have a big role and wasn't related to gaara at all.

If the clues are anything like XXXVI, then usually the entire post is reference to the person and there are 5-6 clues which point directly to that person which fit the entire post, not a small portion.

Carlos the jackal seems like a very good match so far. Yesterday was the wife's birthday, so today I will have time to read the thread and I'll try to find hints.



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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
January 29 2011 18:37 GMT
#86
On January 30 2011 03:35 darmousseh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 02:03 Node wrote:
While I agree that "disappeared in a giant burst of gravel" would seem to point towards Gaara, I don't think the story as a whole fits him that much. I don't know too much about the character, I'm just going by the Wikipedia article. Is there any plot in Naruto that mirrors the events in the day post at all?

On January 26 2011 08:50 LSB wrote:
Each day post will be about one mafia. It won't be obvious, but it will be pretty specific once you figure out what is happening.

One idea I have for a day post is a Sherlock Holmes story.
A typical Sherlock Holmes story gives you enough info that you figure out everything that is happening, and then Holmes explains what happens. What if I gave you a Sherlock Holmes story, but killed off Sherlock before he could explain what happened? There's all the information, and its up to you to figure out what happened.

EDIT: The clues will be much more specific than XXXVI. Once you figure it out what the day post is about, it will point to one person, but the problem is figuring it out.


This all seems to state that the story as a whole will point to a specific person, rather than there being a small reference slipped in somewhere. This makes me think that Carlos the Jackal is the best fit so far. I mean, it's a string of hostage situations caused by a terrorist organization. Does that sound like anybody else?


Obviously I'll be a little biased since my character is gaara, but

Gaara used sand and in all cases he always left behind traces of sand and thats it, he never any traces of blood. There was a character in naruto who was like gaara but used rocks, but he didn't have a big role and wasn't related to gaara at all.

If the clues are anything like XXXVI, then usually the entire post is reference to the person and there are 5-6 clues which point directly to that person which fit the entire post, not a small portion.

Carlos the jackal seems like a very good match so far. Yesterday was the wife's birthday, so today I will have time to read the thread and I'll try to find hints.






I just noticed that on some versions they block out the blood and on other versions its a bloody mess. Difference between the manga and the english anime i guess.
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
January 29 2011 19:05 GMT
#87
There are so few characters to analyze, and the only contribution I can offer so far is this.


Carlos advocates radical Islamism in his book Revolutionary Islam, which expresses support for the terrorist attacks of Osama bin Laden as well as Saddam Hussein for resisting the United States.


Radical islamism typically includes suicide bombing. This points to the part


The Inspector replied, “No, the pirates killed everyone. And the pirates themselves? They would rather kill themselves than be captured”



The pirates are irrational. Most pirates would rather be capture and have a chance to escape. The fact that they'd rather die indicates they are probably radical in some way.


Another thing to note is that terrorism and being a pirate are very close to the same thing and in fact an 18th century british police force might see this as an act of piracy instead of terrorism. If you switch the word pirate to terrorist while reading the story I think it becomes even more pointed towards carlos the jackal.



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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
January 29 2011 22:22 GMT
#94
On January 30 2011 07:14 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 06:46 shannn wrote:
On January 30 2011 06:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 30 2011 03:35 darmousseh wrote:
On January 30 2011 02:03 Node wrote:
While I agree that "disappeared in a giant burst of gravel" would seem to point towards Gaara, I don't think the story as a whole fits him that much. I don't know too much about the character, I'm just going by the Wikipedia article. Is there any plot in Naruto that mirrors the events in the day post at all?

On January 26 2011 08:50 LSB wrote:
Each day post will be about one mafia. It won't be obvious, but it will be pretty specific once you figure out what is happening.

One idea I have for a day post is a Sherlock Holmes story.
A typical Sherlock Holmes story gives you enough info that you figure out everything that is happening, and then Holmes explains what happens. What if I gave you a Sherlock Holmes story, but killed off Sherlock before he could explain what happened? There's all the information, and its up to you to figure out what happened.

EDIT: The clues will be much more specific than XXXVI. Once you figure it out what the day post is about, it will point to one person, but the problem is figuring it out.


This all seems to state that the story as a whole will point to a specific person, rather than there being a small reference slipped in somewhere. This makes me think that Carlos the Jackal is the best fit so far. I mean, it's a string of hostage situations caused by a terrorist organization. Does that sound like anybody else?


Obviously I'll be a little biased since my character is gaara, but

Gaara used sand and in all cases he always left behind traces of sand and thats it, he never any traces of blood. There was a character in naruto who was like gaara but used rocks, but he didn't have a big role and wasn't related to gaara at all.

If the clues are anything like XXXVI, then usually the entire post is reference to the person and there are 5-6 clues which point directly to that person which fit the entire post, not a small portion.

Carlos the jackal seems like a very good match so far. Yesterday was the wife's birthday, so today I will have time to read the thread and I'll try to find hints.





This is a dumb defense. If LSB had never watched/seen Naruto he'd have nearly no way of knowing all of that. And you can just as easily say with any one that "sure the story fits my character in X way but not in Y way" because there are very rarely perfect clue situations. If Node got the impression that gravel was a fair connection to Gaara then that could very well be what LSB was thinking when he wrote the clue. I'm not saying it's you but this doesn't actually rebutt anything Node was saying. The fact that you were that defensive when he didn't accuse you (and actually said the story doesn't really fit you overall) makes me more wary than anything.

But on the other hand. LSB could've just read the wiki's. There's a reason why there are links of everyone as that is enough to come up with clues about the suspects and Gaara isn't the biggest suspect in my view (biggest is Carlos due to all his characteristics of a terrorist). So far I can only think between Gaara or Carlos whereas leaning more towards Carlos. Neither of them have all clues matching with their characters which makes it hard (whether it's LSB's attention or not) to figure out precisely how LSB thinks and what he means with some clues.

I read the link of Gulliver's travels but I have not really seen any indication or similarity in the wiki about the clues that have been given. I didn't read anything about murdering people or bodies disappearing. The only link you could think of is about the 18th century and that it's from the same time as Jonathan Swift. But the place and time shouldn't really be relevant about the suspect as LSB mentioned in his post. So for me Jonathan Swift isn't a suspect for today.

To be fair to LSB and Gmarshall his wiki page is Jonathan Swift not Gulliver's Travels. Gulliver would open a whole new can of worms but Swift not necessarily so. I don't know how far afield from each persons page LSB may have drawn clues from but I don't see much on Swift.



I would guess that if there was a major story that the author is known for or event that a character was a part of that it could relate to the character. I was actually looking through the different works your character wrote, but didn't come up with anything significant other than the radical islam part.
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
January 29 2011 22:28 GMT
#96
On January 30 2011 07:24 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 06:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
A panda would likely leave a lot of blood behind in the case of an attack as an animal isn't particularly precise or careful when it attacks something. A bear could also eat the remains, explaining why bodies were gone. Just a thought.


Pandas don't eat humans? And they eat bamboo for 99% of diet?

Anyway, will be contributing with my thoughts shortly.



I asked my wife and she said that they will occasionally attack humans but it is a very rare occurence. Even though their diet is mostly bamboo they will eat meat.

However, pandas probably wouldn't eat the whole body and would leave a very mangled body left over.
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
January 30 2011 09:38 GMT
#118
Jackal getting picked off at the same time in 2 active mafia games. How often does that happen?

Still deciding who to vote, but most likely jackal58 from evidence and post analysis.
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
January 30 2011 22:32 GMT
#122
On January 30 2011 08:43 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 08:24 Pandain wrote:
Okay let's get this started. First off I like Wiggles clue analysis, I think it really is the best option that we have as far as pinning people from clues go. The link to gaara is pretty vaugue, and while possible, there are more connections to Jackal than Gaara.

Furthormore, on an analysis view point, Jackal sticks out to me very heavily. While he's been posting alot, he hasn't contributed anything besides a very weak clue analysis that really I don't even see how that fits to the missing bodies. Obviously there is a slight connection(flight +teleportion), but its very weak.

Furthormore, he's often just brought up stuff, but not sure at all. I'm not sure how to phrase this, but its like he's just offering it up and then not actually "saying anything." I hope you know what I mean.
On January 29 2011 13:57 Jackal58 wrote:
Jonathan Swift? Gulliver's Travels? 18th century British Naval references?
Anybody up on their Lilliputians?

I'm going to bed. My head hurts.

On January 29 2011 13:22 Jackal58 wrote:
Pandas eat bamboo. If Q was pissed at pandas he'd just make them all disappear.
I'm not seeing anything but the wall/gravel connection yet. And that's not all that strong.



This isn't a "your sure mafia", rather a FoS. Jackal, you said you found clues to everyone's profile, mind sharing that?

Actually there are 3 that really have no attachment unless you really stretch it.

1. chaoser Holden Caulfield - Catcher in the Rye doesn't set off anything
2. darmousseh Gaara - Gravel
3. CubEdIn Raiden - Teleportation - No bodies
4. GMarshal Jonathan Swift - Unless this includes Gulliver's Travels nothing but perhaps time period
5. shannn Q Omnipotent character that can do anything. Including everything in the day post
6. Node Dinosaur Comics Main Cast - Other than squashing log cabins not much
7. Jackal58 Ilich Ramírez Sánchez Comparing pirates to terrorists
8. DoctorHelvetica Thom_Yorke Eye Patch, Eraser, British
9. Mr. Wiggles Yossarian Bombardier, Missing peoples
10. Kenpachi Zaraki Kenpachi Captain, Eyepatch, Blood
11. Pandain Ling Ling Dead Panda. Not much.

Perhaps this is the "puzzle" part. 3 that aren't connected?


Not a ton of evidence to go on, but no one has really found anything more convincing than jackal58. If anyone find anything more convincing in the next 3-4 hours I might switch my vote.


##Vote: Jackal58

Also remember also the first post mentioned that the setting is 18th century britain so it is unlikely that we should use references to britain or english people as evidence of guilt.
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
January 30 2011 22:33 GMT
#123
EBWOP

##Vote: Jackal58
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
January 31 2011 01:54 GMT
#127
5 mins til voting ends.... where is everyone?
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
January 31 2011 01:58 GMT
#130
On January 31 2011 10:56 LSB wrote:
I won't actually do modkills this game, since I realize that if Mafia is inactive, the clues can just pown them
But I am looking for replacements



What will happen then instead?
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
January 31 2011 02:02 GMT
#132
On January 31 2011 10:59 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2011 10:56 LSB wrote:
I won't actually do modkills this game, since I realize that if Mafia is inactive, the clues can just pown them
But I am looking for replacements

Ohhh ohh Sign me up.


hahahahaha
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
January 31 2011 02:09 GMT
#135
We were right!!! Go town!!! Woot!!!!
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 01 2011 02:20 GMT
#168
It says

Drop the bomb. Exterminate them all.
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 01 2011 02:21 GMT
#169
It's from Apocalypse Now.
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 01 2011 02:35 GMT
#179
On February 01 2011 11:26 Kenpachi wrote:
Well did anyone notice "Beethoven" in the openning picture? maybe thats the music sheet o_O



Nice, the song listed is not the song pictured, but I don't think that is important. I've played that song before.
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 01 2011 02:39 GMT
#182
On February 01 2011 11:36 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2011 11:35 darmousseh wrote:
On February 01 2011 11:26 Kenpachi wrote:
Well did anyone notice "Beethoven" in the openning picture? maybe thats the music sheet o_O



Nice, the song listed is not the song pictured, but I don't think that is important. I've played that song before.

then tell us!!


No i mean i played the song that was listed in the picture at the top, not the song from the clue

I will try to figure it out though.
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 01 2011 02:42 GMT
#186
On February 01 2011 11:41 GMarshal wrote:
A passing thought, the pictures could be a kind of puzzle with each picture standing for a word and then 4 out of the 5 words making a relevant phrase, I've been trying some permutations but haven't come up with anything yet.



Yeah I'm trying the same thing. The other thought is that they simply relate to 4 clues from the person.
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 01 2011 16:51 GMT
#198
On February 01 2011 23:30 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
3. Apocalypse now -> The Motion Picture Soundtrack (song on OST of Apocalypse Now, the movie) was made by Radiohead, and guess who is the lead singer for Radiohead? Thom Yorke.


I can't seem to find this anywhere. I mean, I can find the song and I know when you google it+radiohead you get a video of the sound+AN but I can't seem to find the track listed on any of the OST



It seems it's reverse. Radiohead has a song named "Motion Picture Soundtrack", however that youtube video is just a homemade video and not the official video. I couldn't find the original.

Here's the album though. It was released in 2000. Highly unlikely it was used in a movie that existed 20 years before the album.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kid_A


Another thing to note is that the word "Lego" means "play well" in danish
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Lego

I'm still stuck on these clues :p
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 01 2011 16:54 GMT
#199
My guess at the method of how he came up with the clues is something like

"W X Y Z" is a sentence about a very specific character.

google W "find a semi related photo
google X "find a semi related photo
google Y "find a semi related photo
google Z "find a semi related photo"
google something else and add it to confuse people.


So our goal should be to find the keywords for each photo and make a sentence or statement out of it.

This is how I'm going to approach it unless someone finds something better.
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 01 2011 17:26 GMT
#200
This is freaking hard. This is the best I've come up with so far. I've spent like 2 hours on this thing.

Analysis of Raiden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raiden_(Mortal_Kombat)#In_other_media

Clue #1
Apocalypse Now note saying "drop the bomb". This makes me think of the word "armageddon" which is the title of one of the mortal kombat games. Also someone mentioned his abilities that sound like an explosion.

Clue #2
Legos. Lego means "play well" in danish. Mortal Kombat is a game that you play. Both are things you play with.

Clue #3
Snow. Nothing yet.

Clue #4
Magic. "Raiden commands many supernatural abilities" directly from the wikipedia link

Clue #5
Music. Nothing yet.


So that is only 3 clues out of 5, but it's the best I've got. I found various references to other people (music to thom yorke, etc), but so far this is the only one I found with more than 1 possible reference.
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 01 2011 17:44 GMT
#203
Analysis of CubEdIn

Hi everyone.

First of all, the Raiden reference. I don't see how it connects to the body disappearances. If you mean the ability to teleport, Raiden has the ability to teleport himself, not other things (at least in the games and movies, but I guess it can be interpreted).

Second of all, I got Kenpachi covered, I watched bleach and I liked the character. A few main traits are:
- loves battle, lives for it, but is fair, would not kill people with arrows or a wall
- uses his sword and that's about it
- is really fast and really really powerful, especially when he removes his eye-patch
- has a skewed view on honor, I can't really explain this, but basically he'll follow "honor" rules, but doesn't respect many things in general.
Also, if he would be killing something, there would be A LOT of blood around.

I did a quick look at the profiles and Gaara seems to be the strongest clue (with the crushing and sand and all), but I didn't have time to carefully analyze all of them yet.

Will be back in the evening for more hunting.


Suggesting gaara is the strongest clue, but then saying he doesn't have time to analyze yet.



Crap.

Sorry for missing the vote. I've been working on my dissertation paper all night. I forgot to check this as well.
I'm really sorry Elesbee.


Didn't do any more analysis or contribute and missed the lynching vote.


you're right. I'm bad at weekends. And this time i had a horrible monday as well. I'll try and pick up the pace tomorrow.


Still inactive

On February 01 2011 19:30 CubEdIn wrote:
Actually it's god of thunder, so that one is more than a bit of a stretch, but I agree the other two can point to me, somewhat.

Some relation to Gaara:
"he was rejected by his peers and fellow villagers for being the host of a tailed beast" - legos
"Gaara's development from this state into a highly withdrawn, sadistic character" - exterminate them all
Also, the snow trails could represent his lonely path to finding adversaries worthy of battling.

But ignore that, let's get to the good part.
Dr.H.

1. Music -> Thom Yorke - check
2. Legos -> Thom Yorke is in a band, might imply that
3. Apocalypse now -> The Motion Picture Soundtrack (song on OST of Apocalypse Now, the movie) was made by Radiohead, and guess who is the lead singer for Radiohead? Thom Yorke.
4. Hocus Pocus / Cards -> Radiohead has a song called "House of Cards"

Need I find more?


Some suspicion is put out and he is the first to respond (so much for being inactive). Also reraises suspecion on gaara for no apparent reason other than to divert attention away from himself. Then immediately finds a few random references (even an obscure one based on a homemade youtube video) and suggests he doesn't need to find more evidence.

erm...
P.S.:
##Vote DoctorHelvetica


7 minutes later votes for DrH.

On February 01 2011 23:42 CubEdIn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2011 23:30 chaoser wrote:
3. Apocalypse now -> The Motion Picture Soundtrack (song on OST of Apocalypse Now, the movie) was made by Radiohead, and guess who is the lead singer for Radiohead? Thom Yorke.


I can't seem to find this anywhere. I mean, I can find the song and I know when you google it+radiohead you get a video of the sound+AN but I can't seem to find the track listed on any of the OST


Yeah, you're right, it doesn't seem to be in the official OST.
I just saw the video posted on youtube, vimeo, and other sites.

But it still can't be dismissed as a clue just because it's not on the OST, just not that strong of a clue. Which is what you'd expect from LSB in the first place.


Admits he just randomly found the video (which is only possible if you search for the words "radiohead apocolypse now") then suggests that LSB made the clues very obscure, but from the previous day, it seems once you find the overall reference or theme, the clues just roll together quickly.


Analysis, plus 3 clues in my previous post.

CubEdIn is mafia


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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 01 2011 17:48 GMT
#204
On February 02 2011 02:42 CubEdIn wrote:
P.S.:
Q from Star Treck also fits all your findings:
#1. He could end all life, give life, etc. => He could easily cause apocalypse
#2. Legos! He was playing with Picard, changing the flow of time, etc.
#3. Magic... well... supernatural abilities, like you said.

Is anyone seriously buying this? Dr.H is clearly tied due to Music + Apocalypse now. There's no way that both of them are wrong.
Show me a better connection than Apocalypse Now / Radiohead video. How the hell does "Apocalypse sounds like Armageddon which is part of the tile of a MK movie" fit better than googling: Apocalypse Now Radiohead -> BAM.



I think the fact that it's from apocalypse now is actually irrelevant. The note suggests dropping the bomb and killing everyone. From the wikipedia "In Raiden's ending, he becomes extremely powerful after defeating Blaze. To make sure no other realm will possibly threaten Earthrealm again, he destroys them all."
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 01 2011 17:55 GMT
#206
On February 02 2011 02:51 CubEdIn wrote:
Ok. Fine. Since you're so sure, we'll lynch me first. Then, when I flip green, town lynches you and DrH. Deal?


Eh i'm not 100% sure about anything yet which is why I haven't voted.
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darmousseh
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February 01 2011 21:45 GMT
#230
We still have 30 hours until we have to decide who we lynch. If anyone can find more clues please do so. We lost our best clue analyzer so far so someone needs to step up (including myself). If we can't find better clues I would vote for cubed not only because the clues seem to fit him the most, but because he is acting very awkwardly even if he is an aggressive townie. Something makes me think it's someone else though.
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darmousseh
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February 01 2011 22:35 GMT
#240
Dang I think we are looking at these clues all wrong. Something else has got to give. Something tells me that there is a high likelihood that we are going to accidentally lynch green simply because the clues are getting us nowhere.
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darmousseh
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February 01 2011 22:53 GMT
#251
Alright, well I gotta do some work and I think there's been enough said for today. I am going to vote now just in case I get distracted by the other mafia game and the conversation is going nowhere right now. If anyone finds any other possible clues I will help research into them more, just send me a pm.

##Vote: CubEdIn
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darmousseh
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February 02 2011 17:25 GMT
#261
Only 9 hours to go, where is all of the analysis guys? Just because we lost mr wiggles doesn't mean we can't look at clues ourselves. We gotta have something more to go on :/

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darmousseh
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February 02 2011 20:16 GMT
#284
My guess is that chaoser, DrH and kenpachi are all green. We did well voting based on clues day 1, no reason to vote based on thread analysis just yet. If cubedin ends up green, then we should start examining other options. I suspect that cubedin will turn up red though.
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darmousseh
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February 02 2011 22:23 GMT
#300
On February 03 2011 06:46 chaoser wrote:
Oops, I mean, right now we're at
7 to 2

if Cube flips green
we'll be 5 to 2

if I get lynched
we'll be at 3 to 2 (assuming I'm green)

I hope at THIS point, you guys lynch Kenpachi/Dr. H if both cubedin and I flip green.



So basically we gets 2 mess ups total. Also we will get a ton of information based on who gets killed at night. Also we have veterans (not sure how many). As long as we don't lynch veterans we will get 1 extra chance to find a red. Cubed hasn't claimed vet so I think he is the safest vote we can go with based on clues. If it doesn't work out and we can't find definitive clues tomorrow, then we should go with analysis.
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darmousseh
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February 03 2011 05:00 GMT
#327
Do you think you could update the OP to list those who are alive and dead I accidently spent like 10 minutes analyzing catch-22 :p
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darmousseh
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February 03 2011 05:37 GMT
#328
Ok this is another attempt at identifying the person in the clues. These are a little better than the ones on cubed so here it goes.


Clue #1:
“Mistah Wiggles, He dead.” is a reference from Heart of Darkness


Clue #2
And at that moment, LSB had a terrible heart attack


Picture #1:
Apocolypse Now reference which is based on Heart of Darkness


Picture #2:
Two dead aliens. Possible dead of a heart attack


Nothing on the other the 3 pictures yet, but those could probably narrow it down.


In general there is a common theme which is the word heart.

I have found two people whom have the word heart in their wikipedia page and mean something specific

Pandain Ling Ling
Ling ling died of a heart attack.


Chaoser: Holden Caulfield
While the cause of death in "Catcher" is leukemia, here it is due to an unspecified heart condition.



I'm only putting these up in case I get killed tonight :p. I will be adding further clues as I find them. I think analyzing these people's posts would be good too. Pandain has barely contributed and it's possible pic #3 are bear tracks.

Any help would be much appreciated.
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darmousseh
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February 04 2011 04:20 GMT
#360
On February 04 2011 12:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Doesn't everyone have to send a message? If not then I propose

Myself: AB
Node: CD
Darmousseh: E



This sounds good to me if not every has to give a message. If everyone does have to give a message then I'm looking at other methods, but the best plan i can come up with has a 60% chance of success by default and a 75% chance of success if node and DrH are both townies. We can also separate people whom we suspect are colluding together to increase the odds even more.

That plan is
Myself ABC
Node D
DrH E

Randomly assign D to 2 others and E to the other 2.

The premuation to figure out the percentages is below.

+ Show Spoiler +

M is for Mafia, T is for townie
M D D D D D D D D D D E E E E E E E E E E
M D D D D E E E E E E D D D D D D E E E E
T D E E E D D D E E E D D D E E E D D D E
T E D E E D E E D D E D E E D D E D D E D
T E E D E E D E D E D E D E D E D D E D D
T E E E D E E D E D D E E D E D D E D D D

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darmousseh
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February 04 2011 04:28 GMT
#361
Darmousseh's perfect plan

Actually I came up with a better plan

Myself ABC
Node CD
Everyone else
CE

A good (1 - 0)
B good (1 - 0)
C good (5 - 2)
D good (1 - 0)
E good (3 - 2)
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darmousseh
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February 04 2011 04:36 GMT
#362
If both of us are townies then we get the name of a mafia and lynch.

If node is by chance mafia, then D will be corrupt which will lead to a townie. We lynch that person and find hes townie and then lynch node next day.

If i'm mafia (which i'm not, but for the purpose of the plan) then the clues will be corrupt and we end up lynching the townie and node and finally myself.

If both of us are mafia then town wins! after lynching the townie on the first night.

In all 3 cases we discover at least 1 mafia and lose at most 2 townies (if i'm lying).

I think this is definitely the best plan since we get 100% guaranteed information.

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darmousseh
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February 04 2011 04:43 GMT
#365
On February 04 2011 13:40 LSB wrote:
Because there exists a solution that would result in instant town win, I will add in a rule.

"In order for Bloodycobbler to be able to accept a clue, there must be at least 3 messengers sending in a message" (Note the messages can be corrupted/uncorrupted. So 2 townies, and 1 mafia sending a message would be fine)



Dangit LSB I spent like 15 minutes figuring out the perfect plan lol.
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darmousseh
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February 04 2011 04:44 GMT
#369
On February 04 2011 13:43 LSB wrote:
Ignore that I figured out a way to counter it



uh oh, now I have to think of how it could be possibly countered.
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darmousseh
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February 04 2011 05:03 GMT
#371
Ok i think i found the counter, there are a lot of scenarios so please bear through it.

Me townie
Node townie


Person picked is one of the 5: Lynch => mafia.

Me townie
Node Mafia


Person picked is one of 5: lynch => green, then lynch node

Person picked is me, lynch node

Me mafia
Node townie

Person picked is one of 5, lynch => green, lynch node => green, lynch me

Person picked is node, lynch => me


Me mafia
Node mafia

Person picked is one of 5, lynch => green, lynch node => red, lynch me

In general

If the person flipped is me or node then lynch node and then lynch me (if neccesary)
If the person flipped is someone else then lynch that person, if that person is green then lynch me and node. (at least one green)


The worst possible outcome is 4 town 1 mafia. (minus night kill)
The best possible outcome is 6 town 1 mafia.

Since I am town this means

Worst possible outcome 5 town 1 mafia
Best possible outcome 6 town 1 mafia


This would be a volunteer job node, if you are mafia you will get yourself killed, otherwise you will help us find a mafia


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darmousseh
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United States3437 Posts
February 04 2011 05:03 GMT
#372
EBWOP there is no counter.
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darmousseh
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February 04 2011 05:39 GMT
#373
If he is going to let us go with this plan that's fine with me

Oh and I just realized the counter. The counter plan would be changing the plan at the last second, but if I did that it would be obvious I was scum. Vote for the perfect plan!

##Vote: darmousseh
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darmousseh
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February 04 2011 07:33 GMT
#376
On February 04 2011 15:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Alright.

##Vote: darmousseh

If you played us witht he Pandain accusation you deserve an award. Really subtle mafia play if so.



I have no idea about pandain now, since he was hit then he's either a vet or a green with a medic or the mafia is trying to confuse us all by somehow getting the medic to protect him while hitting themselves. That would be amazing if true.

I really thought I had something solid when I found all the clues with the word heart in it. Now I'm not so sure :/

Alright guys this plan is 100% solid though. I've been trying to think of a way to corrupt it, but I can't think of any. If you find any holes please say them.
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darmousseh
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February 04 2011 07:55 GMT
#378
On February 04 2011 16:43 shannn wrote:
I don't get all of this puzzle mafia thing lol.

So if I understand this right.
The end result will reveal a name but we don't know what side he is on right?
So if you pair him up to another person you'll know what the other side is too?

This is so confusing lol.

I don't get at the part of darmousseh what happens when both are town.
From my understanding it's if no corruption means we'll get a mafia name? Else we get a townie name and then we figure out what the other is after we lynch the townie?


Basically we need to get 5 messages to the person. As long as we send the 5 messages uncorrupted, we will get the name of a mafia player. If one of the messages is corrupted, then we will get the name of a townie (we won't know that the message is corrupt). In order to corrupt a message, there have to be at least as many mafia or more sending that message.

So in my plan, if node is mafia, then message D will be corrupt which will cause the name revealed to point to a townie since the # of mafia giving the message (1) is greater than the # of townies giving the message (0).

My plan works based on the logic of the puzzle. In any scenario we will get the name of 1 mafia. I am town and if node is town then messages A B and D will be good. Message C will also be good since everyone is sending message C and message E will be good since we have 5 people sending it and there are at most 2 mafia in the game. This means we will get the name of a mafia whom we can lynch.

You can read about the other scenarios in the post above. Ask if you have more questions.
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darmousseh
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February 04 2011 16:24 GMT
#388
On February 04 2011 20:36 Pandain wrote:
Why not just do something like this?
Dmosh-ABC
Chaoser: D
Node: E.

No matter what we get mafia result, unless I'm missing something.



By having everyone else do E as well, we can group E together and make the # of lynches required to figure out the mafia 1 less.

There is a simplification of my plan too [Not proposing yet]

Darmousseh ABC
Node D
Everyone else E

Here's the thing too, if node is mafia and volunteers, then we discover him and lynch him by 2nd day, if node node is mafia and doesn't like the plan, we can pick someone else to be the 2nd likely townie, and then get a clue pointing towards node or the other mafia. If he is townie, then we will be 100% ok with the plan (unless he finds something all of us didn't catch, but doesn't announce it).
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United States3437 Posts
February 04 2011 17:51 GMT
#390
On February 05 2011 02:26 shannn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2011 01:24 darmousseh wrote:
On February 04 2011 20:36 Pandain wrote:
Why not just do something like this?
Dmosh-ABC
Chaoser: D
Node: E.

No matter what we get mafia result, unless I'm missing something.



By having everyone else do E as well, we can group E together and make the # of lynches required to figure out the mafia 1 less.

There is a simplification of my plan too [Not proposing yet]

Darmousseh ABC
Node D
Everyone else E

Here's the thing too, if node is mafia and volunteers, then we discover him and lynch him by 2nd day, if node node is mafia and doesn't like the plan, we can pick someone else to be the 2nd likely townie, and then get a clue pointing towards node or the other mafia. If he is townie, then we will be 100% ok with the plan (unless he finds something all of us didn't catch, but doesn't announce it).

As much as you think that's bulletproof there's still the possibility even though it's unlikely at this point that you're mafia. I'm not saying you are but just pointing out that your plan isn't 100% foolproof for town. You might as well be mafia and then we're lynching 2 townies untill we discover that you're mafia and then we don't have any connection to the other mafia if you were.

Seems like mafia's best bet to get as less harmfull of this ridiculous good plan. By stalling enough time for town to discover mafia members as late as possible.
My scenario above is highly unlikely but just pointing the possible scenario of your plan for you



Very true, if I am mafia then this would be the most optimal choice of my plan, however, a good mafia would never have come up with the plan that will produce a mafia anyway and instead the mafia will be stalling and suggesting that we simply override the vote and continue the game normally. If you believe someone else is more likely green than myself, then suggest that person instead, but I want what is best for town and so i'm willing to volunteer for it.
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darmousseh
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February 04 2011 20:02 GMT
#397
On February 05 2011 04:47 shannn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2011 04:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
We should absolutely stick with darmousseh's original plan. Any attempts to modify this or mislead town in a different direction will be setting off huge alarms in my brain.

What do u mean with original plan? Darmousseh's plan is the same concept. Take 2 people and lynch the name we get from BC. The scenario's that comes out of it is the same from the plan he posted previous page.

The original plan will still get the same results.


The will produce identical results. Just keep me and node as the two highest possible townies and go from there. I already voted so lets do it.
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darmousseh
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February 05 2011 04:11 GMT
#446
##vote Chaoser


Either chaoser or node is mafia. I guess we will find out soon. I really hope it's chaoser because we trusted node to be green.

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darmousseh
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February 05 2011 04:45 GMT
#447
On February 05 2011 12:14 chaoser wrote:
GL town, lynch me. and then lynch Darm after, I'm the medic.


Why the heck would a medic ever claim being a medic if they were about to be lynched? That would be giving the mafia information and free reign to kill whomever they please with fear of being blocked by the medic. If you are really the medic then claiming to be medic is the worst possible thing you could do to help us win. If you are a medic and truly have the best interest of town in mind, then it's better to claim green or claim vet.

The only scenario you could possibly want to do this is if there is a small chance you can influence the lynch otherwise and if you were a vet in order to soak up the next hit from mafia.

Given that this situation is highly unlikely, i'm now highly confident node is green and that you are mafia and am glad we won't have to waste a lynch on node or I.


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darmousseh
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February 05 2011 05:23 GMT
#453
On February 05 2011 13:50 Kenpachi wrote:
oh now we decide to go my way
##Unvote Chaoser
##vote Kenpachi

yo dude i think Kenpachi has been spouting random shit and his contributed jackshit
+ Show Spoiler +
no its not sarcasm just being as protown as possible


What the heck is going on?
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darmousseh
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February 05 2011 22:12 GMT
#465
On February 06 2011 06:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2011 06:54 shannn wrote:
On February 06 2011 05:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 06 2011 05:58 GMarshal wrote:
I dont believe that deviating from the plan is a good idea right now, I'm going to go with lynching Chaoser and if he flips town then lynching Darmousseh, sorry Dr.H but as you said earlier its a bad idea to deviate from the plan

Do what you want but I'm going to vote for what I believe is the best move regardless.

I find you so suspicious. You even tell me that we should stick to the plan and now you don't want to stick to the plan AFTER we get chaoser's name when he claims to be a medic.

That's just contradicting yourself. Even Gmarshall says the same as me. It's just bad to not go with the plan which we all agreed upon. Chaoser voted for it and he should've objected against darmousseh's plan.

You even first said that it's unlikely that darmousseh is mafia and now you want to lynch him?!?!?!?

Sorry but you're mafia or just really stupid as town contradicting yourself whole time.


lol



Lol, you are really a bad mafia DrH if you are mafia. Townies would never be this desperate to deviate from a plan. My guess is that you are going all-in with putting yourself on the line in order to save chaoser or node.

Everyone, i've been going under the assumption that DrH was green for almost the entire game giving him pms and talking strategy in order to find the best method to determine the mafia, releaving my plans before I post in the thread sometimes, but in the end I think he just was bussing his entire team to set himself up as the last mafia in order to try to win. If he can convince you to never kill him or the mafia (node or chaoser) then he has won as mafia.

Stay with the original plan and we win town

If chaoser is red, i recommend lynching DrH next.

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darmousseh
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February 05 2011 22:19 GMT
#468
On February 06 2011 07:12 chaoser wrote:
I hope all the conversation revolving around my death/claim will help =D



Yeah, if you are the medic chaoser, i'm very sorry you got chosen, but then that means we know node is mafia. We will probably lynch DrH afterwards.
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darmousseh
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February 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#469
On February 06 2011 07:18 chaoser wrote:
If Dr. H was mafia with me, there's no reason for him to want me alive, this whole game he's wanted me dead, he's been the most vocal about me being mafia. For him to make a switch if both of us were mafia is absurd.


That's a great point. His plan actually sets it up to save node by killing me first followed by killing you. That gives him and node the greatest chance of surviving.
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darmousseh
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February 06 2011 02:22 GMT
#486
wow, alright so node is scum.
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darmousseh
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February 06 2011 02:56 GMT
#489
Wow node, chaoser had you figured out right at the beginning with that random vote. You bussed the very first mafia in order to get the idea that you are mafia out right from the start. When mr wiggles figured out the clues you quickly agreed with him (in 6 mins) and then proceeded from there. Node you have had absolutely 0 contributions. Go back and read everything he has said.

Also DrH if you are mafia, great idea to keep node alive as long as possible. I'm not 100% confident you are mafia, but you are sure acting like it now. Now that I think about it cubed was right about the clues on day 2 all along. The clues on day 2 don't fit node at all, but they might fit you. Too bad cubed plays so aggressively and scum-like or we might have gone with his clues.

Now that I know node is scum, I get to spend time looking for clues in the day 2 post for the actual person to find that last scumbag.

Based on the clues on day 2, drh and shann had the most evidence against them on that day other than cubed's insane town play, since chaoser didn't say he protected pandain, he is definitely a vet and my previous clue hunting was flawed.

Time to go clue hunting again.




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darmousseh
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February 06 2011 04:52 GMT
#497
Could the clues you use reference something semi-related to the character? Such as using the title of a song from a member of a band? Or using a paragraph from a book that someone wrote?
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darmousseh
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February 06 2011 05:09 GMT
#498
One other question The mafia got to choose a godfather. Is his alignment revelead upon death? There is no information in the OP about the godfather other than mafia get to choose one.. I want to be sure we aren't being tricked by any flip so far.
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darmousseh
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February 08 2011 02:01 GMT
#514
##Vote: Node
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darmousseh
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February 08 2011 02:12 GMT
#515
Node is playing amazing right now in order to convince you guys to vote for me. I have been playing pro-town the entire game, trying to find clues, analyzing (even if it was fail) and helping. Node has not had a single contribution the entire game. When we mentioned the plan, node said nothing. I even thought node was town when i put him in my plan.I should have put someone else in node's spot so that we got mafia right away, but DrH suggested node and I went along.

I'm not 100% convinced DrH is mafia. But he seems to be going back on his word suggesting altering the plan.

If DrH is mafia he is taking a huge risk, after we lynch node (whether now or next lynch) DrH immediately becomes suspect #1, so it would seem that is a retarded idea by him since it's such a huge risk. This makes me think that the real mafia is hiding among the remaining participants.

If you guys deviate from the plan and kill me tonight, then everyone will regret it. Deviation is exactly what the mafia wants and needs since I came up with a plan that would get 100% guaranteed information. If i was truly mafia I would never have pushed for such a great plan. Look at the first one i contributed. I didn't think it was possible to get guaranteed information so i found a plan with 60% success, but I found a way to get 100% success and now you guys are being tricked into thinking that I am mafia.

I will continue looking at the clues to see if i find anything.





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darmousseh
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February 08 2011 03:11 GMT
#518
We don't get another set of clues?
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February 08 2011 04:13 GMT
#524
I think I solved the day 2 puzzle. Will be posting it in a few minutes.
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darmousseh
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February 08 2011 04:51 GMT
#529
On February 08 2011 13:21 shannn wrote:
I thought darmousseh was the one who came up with the plan and with the people. I remember darmousseh making a post about it that he suggested the plan to drH which is suspicious now that he says drH was the one suggesting Node should be the volunteer.

And I've said it before. If we got townie out of it then it's still going to be a guess. Post behavior can help us but we don't have much on those 2 in the first place.

Node didn't do anything whereas darmousseh did a lot in day 3.
It does say something about Node just being quiet but something scummy?

We people are forgetting that there are 2 mafia left. The 2nd mafia will help the other mafia in order to get a mafia win right here. We need to tread carefully how we approach this. We know darmousseh or node is mafia and the other one must be helping them just to push for the wrong vote.

Kenpachi and Gmarshall being like sheeps should think for themselves rather than listening to others. You 2 are the perfect people to bait for mafia right now.

I can't imagine Node being mafia but darmousseh just PM'ed me accusing that Node and I was mafia that both of us are convincing others to vote against darmousseh but like I said before. Node hasn't said anything and I know I'm town. What would the reason darmousseh pming me have if he were mafia? Most logical would be that he's trying to save town which would make me think about it but it may as well be a last ditch effort to bring me off my path to finding mafia.


Shann, that was the most brilliant post ever, but I think I just figured it out.

So I promised clues and here they are.

Suspect Q

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounter_at_Farpoint

Q threatens to destroy humanity for its crimes.
Using his magical powers he forces picard and the others to pass a test.
Twice he freezes people to show his power, once at a random lieutenant, then again he freezes lieutenant yar.
Eventually picard and the others discover the secret of farpoint station which is the two trapped aliens.


Clue #1 threatens to destroy humanity
Clue #2 two trapped aliens, or a reference to the fact that Q froze exactly 2 people.(the aliens are blue which is what they look like in the show too. Also one lego guy has a suit which looks similar to the one in the episode.
Clue #3 Q's freezing ability
Clue #4 Q's magical ability.


Here are some clips from the show
+ Show Spoiler +
Q threatens to destroy humanity.[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
Freezing lieutenant Yar.[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler +
The guy with the suit that looks like the one in the lego scene.[image loading]



The final thing is that the heart of darkness is a reference to the fact that Q judged that humanity was dangerous
+ Show Spoiler +
But you can't deny Captain, that
you're still a dangerous, savage
child-race.

PICARD
Most certainly I deny it. I agree
that we still were when ...
(indicating)
... humans wore costumes like that
four hundred years ago...

"Q" (MARINE CAPTAIN)
At which time you slaughtered
millions in silly arguments about
how to divide the resources of
your little world. And four
hundred years before that you were
murdering each other in quarrels
over tribal god-images. And since
there have been no indications
that humans will ever change
.....


Which is almost the entire premise of the book heart of darkness.


My new plan then is this, vote shann and town wins

##Unvote
##Vote: Shannn





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darmousseh
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February 08 2011 05:08 GMT
#534
Oh another thing too is if you look at the wikipedia page on Q in the overview, the very first line talks about his debut episode, which is encounter at farpoint.

In the jackal clues, LSB found a single event from the wikipedia and expanded. This is the same, LSB probably went to the page, found the first reference (which is the farpoint station episode) and then picked some stuff from it (Q's freezing ability, the throne room scene, Q's threatening to destroy humanity, his magical powers). Since he said he took the pictures himself, it leads me to believe the alien with the suit is intentional.

People had found references to Q earlier, but I think the kicker was remembering the freezing scene and then the snow scene clue makes sense and the fact that it seems to point to a very specific event (farpoint episode).

Also on the clues

#2 the lego scene is reminiscent of the judgement room in the episode.
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 08 2011 16:54 GMT
#536
On February 08 2011 14:13 shannn wrote:
It is amazing that people are not focussing on the task at hand too. I won't say no to accuse someone but there are 2 people now which atleast 1 of them is mafia. Yet people are now diverting from the plan EVEN the creator. We've figured out the scenario's which is if the lynched is town which is true then the remaining people has atleast 1 mafia. But everyone ignores this. Analysing their post behavior is top priority yet not doing that. Especially with the 2 sheeps, town is surely going to lose when 2 mafia is voting against me.



Now that I think you are mafia from the day 2 clues, your volunteering to take node's spot make sense since the clues on you fit for day 2 and there are no clues to fit node yet. If you were in nodes position and got lynched instead of node, then we would have absolutely no clues to go on after that. Since you knew that a mafia would get lynched with my plan, you tried to do what you described earlier as "damage control" and sac yourself in order to ensure that node survives since we have no clues. Node would then probably take that opportunity to criticize DrH and try to get town to mislynch. The reason you did this was because you believed town would stick 100% with my original plan. When DrH started to propose lynching me instead, you used that opportunity to try to win the game, but now you are backed into a corner you didn't see, which is figuring out the clues and lynching you instead.
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 09 2011 02:09 GMT
#543
WTF. Dude, i think my clues pointing towards shannn were good. UGH!
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 09 2011 02:12 GMT
#547
I seriously spent like an hour going through johnathan swift and gulliver's travels and the clues, but couldn't find the connection.
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 09 2011 02:14 GMT
#550
I think the day 2 clues were really weak sorry LSB but that really misled me. Magic set = entertainment?
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 09 2011 02:16 GMT
#554
Random PM with DrH

Original Message From darmousseh:
Show nested quote +

Hi DrH. First off

Node is mafia and now that I know that it means that you will become #1 suspect after tonight regardless of the outcome.

I don't believe you are mafia because that would be retarded to group yourself with node so I believe the final mafia is hiding.

After going through the read several times, my highest suspicion is gmarshal. There might be a possible connection between heart of darkness and gmarhsl's character johnathan swift, but i haven't had any luck. The closest connection i can find is from a satire swift wrote called "a modest proposal". Also the way gmarshal is playing is very carefully. Read through his posts.

"heart of darkness" "a modest proposal" returns some results, but nothing to connect the clues entirely just yet.

The clues though look like they could be describing a scene from a book.

The only other person kenpachi doesn't seem to fit at all.


There is no connection between jonathan swift and heart of darkness. Do you understand that everything that has happened, that you have done, makes perfect sense if you are mafia?
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 09 2011 02:23 GMT
#556
On February 09 2011 11:18 LSB wrote:
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On February 09 2011 11:14 darmousseh wrote:
I think the day 2 clues were really weak sorry LSB but that really misled me. Magic set = entertainment?

Yeah. The thing was you had to figure out that the 4 pictures corresponded to the four parts of the story. Specifically pointing to one thing.

Sort of like Jackel, I picked on thing and built a theme around it

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On February 08 2011 14:08 darmousseh wrote:
In the jackal clues, LSB found a single event from the wikipedia and expanded.


When I thought about gulliver's travels I saw the lego reference, but I wouldn't describe his hate of the yahoo as xenophobic since yahoos are humans (metaphorically). At that point I gave up since I didn't see anything with music or magic.
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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 09 2011 02:31 GMT
#559
MVP post right here

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On January 31 2011 14:55 Node wrote:
So, seeing as we know that Jackal is red, here's some analysis of what he's done and what that implicates.

On January 29 2011 13:22 Jackal58 wrote:
Pandas eat bamboo. If Q was pissed at pandas he'd just make them all disappear.
I'm not seeing anything but the wall/gravel connection yet. And that's not all that strong.


Light defense of Pandain here.

On January 29 2011 13:25 Jackal58 wrote:
From Wiki:
The thunder god of the Mortal Kombat universe, also known as Lord Raiden, is a protector of Earthrealm. Raiden commands many supernatural abilities such as the ability to teleport, control over lightning, and flight.

A reference to the missing bodies?


Puts some suspicion on Raiden / CubEdIn. As far as I can tell he's the only one to mention this character.

On January 30 2011 05:03 Jackal58 wrote:
Yep. I see points of the story in my wiki link. But I also can see points of the story in everybody's wiki link. Except Pandains. Haven't been able to make any connections to pandas.


Again, light defense of Pandain. But it's not like he lied here, we know that the post didn't apply to pandas at all.

On January 31 2011 07:47 Jackal58 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 31 2011 06:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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On January 30 2011 23:15 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 30 2011 13:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 30 2011 10:59 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 30 2011 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
##Vote Jackal58

The only connection to Jonathan Swift is that he wrote a satire called "A Modest Proposal" which advocated eating children in poor Ireland to solve the hunger problem. That could be connected to the disappearance of bodies but its verrrrry tentative.

Jackal58 is the strongest clue connection aside from Shann I guess. But Shann could really fit anything and Q doesn't jump out as me as much as Carlos the Jackal does.

I already discounted J. Swift. If you want to include what he wrote Gulliver's Travels has lots of stuff in it that matches up with things in the day post.
I don't know if LSB went that far.
Are links on the wiki pages used to generate clues?

And if you're all going to go with Pirates=Terrorists you might want to describe this "chainsaw defense" to me. I might need it.


A couple things wrong here:

A. Saying "I already discounted J. Swift" as though you are some sort of authority on who can or can't be related via clue. I said there was another tentative connection through that work which is a pretty famous one in actuality. In fact GMarshall even quotes "A Modest Proposal" in his profile.

B. You assume "pirates" is the important aspect of the story. There are always red herrings. Very rarely (if ever) will anyones chosen profile fit all aspects without one being contradictory. Otherwise the game is too easy.

C. The Chainsaw Defense is defending yourself by attacking someone else (typically your accuser). Basically you have to find someone that fits the story better than you do.

I was responding to your perceived implication of my apparent attempt to connect Jonathan Swift to the clues.If you wish to include A Modest Proposal in the list of things a clue could point to feel free. If that's how you guts are doing clue analysis this game is going to be a slam dunk for red.

I'm disappointed. I thought the chainsaw defense was going to be something much more exciting.


i don't understand your response

so we should utilize only your connection of J Swift. and not consider any others? if anything its more likely he'll connect AMP than gullivers travels since that work is quoted in gmarshall's profile. it would be stupid not to consider it


Goddamit I HAVE MADE NO CONNECTION TO SWIFT!!!!!!
Stop putting words in my mouth.


He pretty vehemently denies having put suspicion on Swift / GMarshall.

In the end, he didn't really lead us anywhere, as pretty much anybody can analyze clues. But I'm a bit more suspicious of GMarshall now, as Jackal seemed incredibly determined to make sure that there was no link present between them. I'll also keep an eye out for clues related to Pandain, but there's definitely nothing concrete here.

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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 10 2011 01:00 GMT
#582
My first finished mafia game ever, I learned a lot.

1. cubedin reacting crazily doesn't mean he's mafia.
2. town are sheep
3. don't look too much into clues, i really thought i had it with the Q clues
4. town aligned players tend to talk a lot more than mafia.
5. Be very suspicious when there aren't very many reactions to a plan (like my plan to determine mafia with the puzzle).

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