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On January 24 2011 15:50 pevergreen wrote: PYP3 has ended, this will start as soon as we hit 30. If you are not signing up because you don't understand something, ask. FYI you can do [list=ordered] [*]player name [*]another player name [*]... etc [_/list] (without the underscore, _). This will give you
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On February 11 2011 19:12 Coagulation wrote: SiNiquity an average quality player. leaves a little bit to be desired as far as amount of posting he does. not an inactive player by any stretch but hes not gonna be posting alot of shit to analyze. No shit, because when I post I'm right. So no, I don't make a ton of haphazard posts saying "Well what about this itty bitty thing over here that someone said that makes me tingle in funny places? And it's not my SPIDEY SENSEEEE" because let's face it, I don't have a need to crap all over the thread like the rest of you. | ||
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On February 13 2011 07:41 Coagulation wrote: SiNiquity did you even post a single time during the first day? No. 100% inactive. thats unacceptable. Get off your High horse and get your shit together. i pushed zerroth and had him lynched. you will be next if you dont start posting. Yes mum. Sorry mum. On February 12 2011 10:06 Coagulation wrote: No problem man. everyone makes mistakes. On February 12 2011 10:07 Coagulation wrote: this thread makes my nose tickle. On February 12 2011 10:08 Coagulation wrote: believer i close you sleepy so sleepy On February 12 2011 10:09 Coagulation wrote: Ahh 4 Post in row nice see? -_- | ||
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On February 14 2011 04:37 GMarshal wrote: EBWP: ##Vote: SiNiquity I'd post a rolleyes smiley but even a thousand wouldn't cut it so: http://i54.tinypic.com/28k6no3.gif | ||
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On February 14 2011 02:00 kitaman27 wrote: Does this mean anything to anyone? I vaguely remember it. Rings a bell, but it hard to say. The mind remembers remembers change the most, and another victory is just more same ol' same ol'. But that's the past and this is the present. Bumatlarge (The Spartan) is killed. Ace (Tin Cow) kidnaps ??? (Kagemusha) Ace (Tin Cow) is killed. On February 13 2011 15:54 bumatlarge wrote: If I must die, then I accept my fate for the good of the town. BRING IT. Seems characteristic of a Spartan. What that actually means idk.. Kagemusha (can't link directly to user profiles if you don't have an account): http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?133113-Clean-Feature-5-and-6 but digging up the history of a forum poster is going to be impossible. How about you new guys lending a hand here? Also I agree with the obvious - Bum and Ace dead leaves TL members as the obvious people to blame. | ||
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Hmm. also on top of what you already said about misder his only post from the start of the day: On February 14 2011 02:35 Misder wrote: Vote thefluffyone93 I'll be back later. Lies. | ||
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On February 15 2011 11:08 kitaman27 wrote: Thanks all for the birthday wishes!  | ||
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(10) GGQ: deconduo, Believer, GMarshal, Mr. Wiggles, chaoser, thefluffyone93, Coagulation, ilovejohn, beefy187, JBright (1) deconduo: GGQ Currently not voting: SiNiquity, aidnai (1) GMarshal: Insanious Bleh. GGQ's dead, but I don't think he's Mafia. WIFOM I guess but seems too easy. Vote: chaoser - seems to have escaped all attention (as has Insanious with all of his 5 posts). | ||
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On February 16 2011 14:02 GMarshal wrote: ok at this point I guess GGQ is just going to persist in being useless, we may as well hang him in reply to Insanious , I don't but when town all jumps on a single lynch and there is next to no protest along with the person being lynched happily spouting nonsense there's something wrong, at least in my opinion. I had some hope that maybe GGQ would be a little bit more helpful, but I guess not. Also LD, I hadn't considered that as a viable defense method, mostly because it seems so strange. Note that I still don't believe GGQ is scum, but since he seems to be hanging himself, I won't stop him. The fact that we have pretty much decided a lynch does not mean that we should stop scumhunting however, we need to get cracking on that since as far as we know its 13 to 3 probably with a third party out there who may or may not be interested in helping town. I really do not have time to do an analysis of anyone right now, however I will try to get one done during the night cycle today, but please for the love of god people don't get complacent because we have a set lynch for today. There's still 7 hours (where most will be asleep so admittedly it would take a miracle at this point). If you don't think GGQ's scum, don't vote for him. | ||
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On February 14 2011 15:43 chaoser wrote: BACK! I will 100% read and analyze tomorrow, you can hold me to that, if I don't you can lynch me =p On February 15 2011 13:47 chaoser wrote: Wow, finally caught up. Man, taking 5 modkills up the butt ain't so good at all. I was just wondering, why isn't aidnai being pressured more? Maybe it's just me reading too fast combined with a slight fever cause I have a cold but his claim against Ace and then Ace coming in to show just how wrong everything was seems really strange...Am I just not getting something? Either way FoS aidnai. On February 16 2011 04:47 chaoser wrote: ##Vote GGQ Bandwagoning ain't a thang  | ||
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Alive:
At this rate though we're effectively at LyLo under worst case scenario (barring some random element making a kill last night in place of a mafia kill). If there's a 3rd party that adds KP then we're effectively screwed (unless 1 mafia is already dead, in which case who cares since it's effectively the same scenario), so I'm running under the assumption that there's not. Furthermore, if there were a 3rd party I'd be betting it on darmousseh based on: On February 18 2011 07:28 darmousseh wrote: Wouldn't the part be in red? 10 players (7 town, 3 mafia) --> mislynch 9 players (6 town, 3 mafia) --> 2 night kills 7 players (4 town, 3 mafia) --> correct lynch! 6 players (4 town, 2 mafia) --> 1 night kill 5 players (3 town, 2 mafia) --> correct lynch! 4 players (3 town, 1 mafia) --> 2 night kills (worst case; 1 nk if gf dead). 2 players --> (1 town, 1 mafia) mafia wins If we lynch the grandfather then we have one more night, but we're really pushing our luck. However, getting it right here is huge as it will drop mafia to 1 KP. And if we got GF here then we're golden. Analysis Fluffy seems to be the obvious choice. It's practically impossible to omit something from the middle of the PM when copying / pasting. Furthermore said "... when all town forces are eliminated." JBright effectively confirmed his character, but I don't know what this means with respect to mafia. Do mafia have "mafia" names? Believer faked a claim, posted some PMs saying he would fake a claim ahead of time. Does nothing to discount the fact that he faked a claim. Goal was for more people to roleclaim, but unless Mafia roles are different I don't know what good it does. Then again seems to have posted his real character. But let me ask you this: There are 3 people that have not roleclaimed. Unless you believe all 3 are mafia (myself, Insanious, and gryffindor), one of which is Reenk, then a mafia has already roleclaimed. I have yet to see 'zomg NAME ==> MAFIA' so I'm befuddled as to why this bears any significance. Chaoser jumped up on the activity after having it pointed out. Also On February 17 2011 04:37 chaoser wrote: Wow...so you deleted that line and then the red text but not the line about the victory conditions that's between the two... Also, for all the people pushing this notion that we killed a mafia/mafia numbers are down, FoS on you. Until it's confirmed by kill count, i'm just going to read it as mafia trying to hide one of their members behind the idea that we killed one already so we're only looking for two, not three WIFOM but FoS people who suggest that mafia numbers are down, so that when mafia numbers are shown to not be down there'll be an excuse to FoS them. Nothing in his role PM to suggest he's town to me, but I have no idea wtf I'm looking for. Only claimed because GMarshal rolechecked him. Beefy187: On February 17 2011 23:15 beefy187 wrote: Vote: Gryffindor Regardless of his alignment, he must die. wtf? GMarshal: Claimed to be rolechecker and seems to have verified that claim (lest him and Chaoser are both mafia). Gryffindor: OMGUS + Show Spoiler + lol made you mad deconduo - What more is there to say. Has effectively taken the reigns of the town. Warned against lynching Misder, though calling out a bandwagon on a townie isn't exactly difficult if you know who the mafia are. Lynched Zerroth arguing not to lynch Coag (both now confirmed townie), voted for GGQ when Misder was up (both now confirmed townies), and lynched GGQ the next night along with the rest of the town. Has run a very tight ship - called out others on being wishy washy, never changed a vote. Insanious - Who can say. Worst part is he's lived this long, so it's a complete gambit. SiNiquity - Draw your own conclusions. I've included all my posts so you don't have to look for them. + Show Spoiler [SiNiquity posts] + On February 13 2011 06:41 SiNiquity wrote: Ironically, my character profile states I don't have much time for mafia anymore LOL so true. But anyway, I just caught up with the thread and there's a shit ton of Kita bashing for no apparent reason. You guys are dumb if you think he's mafia. On February 13 2011 06:46 SiNiquity wrote: No shit, because when I post I'm right. So no, I don't make a ton of haphazard posts saying "Well what about this itty bitty thing over here that someone said that makes me tingle in funny places? And it's not my SPIDEY SENSEEEE" because let's face it, I don't have a need to crap all over the thread like the rest of you. On February 13 2011 07:59 SiNiquity wrote: Yes mum. Sorry mum. -_- On February 14 2011 05:24 SiNiquity wrote: I'd post a rolleyes smiley but even a thousand wouldn't cut it so: http://i54.tinypic.com/28k6no3.gif On February 14 2011 05:32 SiNiquity wrote: Rings a bell, but it hard to say. The mind remembers remembers change the most, and another victory is just more same ol' same ol'. But that's the past and this is the present. Bumatlarge (The Spartan) is killed. Ace (Tin Cow) kidnaps ??? (Kagemusha) Ace (Tin Cow) is killed. Seems characteristic of a Spartan. What that actually means idk.. Kagemusha (can't link directly to user profiles if you don't have an account): http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?133113-Clean-Feature-5-and-6 but digging up the history of a forum poster is going to be impossible. How about you new guys lending a hand here? Also I agree with the obvious - Bum and Ace dead leaves TL members as the obvious people to blame. On February 14 2011 11:42 SiNiquity wrote: Hmm. also on top of what you already said about misder his only post from the start of the day: Lies. On February 14 2011 11:49 SiNiquity wrote: Vote: Misder On February 16 2011 14:03 SiNiquity wrote: (1) SiNiquity: gryffindor (10) GGQ: deconduo, Believer, GMarshal, Mr. Wiggles, chaoser, thefluffyone93, Coagulation, ilovejohn, beefy187, JBright (1) deconduo: GGQ Currently not voting: SiNiquity, aidnai (1) GMarshal: Insanious Bleh. GGQ's dead, but I don't think he's Mafia. WIFOM I guess but seems too easy. Vote: chaoser - seems to have escaped all attention (as has Insanious with all of his 5 posts). On February 16 2011 14:06 SiNiquity wrote: There's still 7 hours (where most will be asleep so admittedly it would take a miracle at this point). If you don't think GGQ's scum, don't vote for him. My lynch list
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I wish. Just names, but there's gotta be some name / mafia connection else why have the name checker to begin with? why would it even matter? Sadly I've yet to see any evidence supporting this. | ||
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On February 18 2011 10:54 thefluffyone93 wrote: I was referring to Gryffindor in the second part. He is so intent on killing me, it is almost like he wants no one to pay attention to anyone else. Including him. And I never said I was good at grammar. How good do you have to be at grammar when you're copying and pasting? ;o | ||
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On February 18 2011 10:55 SiNiquity wrote: How good do you have to be at grammar when you're copying and pasting? ;o EBWOP: I just realized the "not good at grammar" bit was in reference to Chaoser's you're not your grammar crusade. My apologies. | ||
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On February 17 2011 13:23 kitaman27 wrote: Something that I happened to stumble upon... Most often Mafia ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 23 Yaseikhaan (Chaoser) 19 Sasaki Kojiro (thefluffyone93) 16 atheotes (darmousseh) 16 Beefy187 15 Csargo 14 Andres 14 Askthepizzaguy 14 Beskar 14 shlin28 13 Sigurd 12 Death is yonder 12 Diamondeye 12 Tratorix 11 A Very Super Market 11 Chaotix 11 GeneralHankerchief 11 pevergreen 11 Reenk Roink 10 CountArach 10 Kagemusha If we run under the assumption that names mean something (and why have a role dedicated to name checking if they're just meaningless quips?) then perhaps this list deserves a closer look. | ||
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On February 18 2011 12:05 SiNiquity wrote: The PM's have all been fairly consistent except fluffy and believer, though believer admitted to forging the one that looked funny. So that leaves fluffy. Also If we run under the assumption that names mean something (and why have a role dedicated to name checking if they're just meaningless quips?) then perhaps this list deserves a closer look. Boo next page | ||
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(1) Believer: JBright (3) thefluffyone93: GMarshal, Insanious, SiNiquity Day will end at Friday, Feb 18 8:00am EST. Sadly I'm turning in now. | ||
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Day actions this game
So nights 2 and 4 were the ones with additional kills. At present it seems obvious now that there's a 3rd party killer, but I haven't seen much thought given on to how this 3rd party works. Here are the possibilities I've come up with:
We're screwed possibilities (i.e. ignore these, but for completeness some other ones I thought up):
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On February 20 2011 09:32 SiNiquity wrote: Night actions this game
Day actions this game
So nights 2 and 4 were the ones with additional kills. At present it seems obvious now that there's a 3rd party killer, but I haven't seen much thought given on to how this 3rd party works. Here are the possibilities I've come up with:
We're screwed possibilities (i.e. ignore these, but for completeness some other ones I thought up):
So, why do I bring up the above in my last post? What good does it do? Well consider the following:
As confident as I am that these are indeed the game mechanics (just ask the initial questions again if you have any doubts), then if Chaoser is indeed Grandfather, then he should have some tells. Let's see.
Conclusion: Chaoser (Greatermakaiultrawarsupergigayaseitriplekhaan i.e. Yaseikhaan) is the Mafia Grandfather. And finally, as I don't want this to be at all tainted with the idea that I have ulterior motives, my role claim: You are Reenk Roink One of the most respected members, you are skilled in debating,mafia and anything else you say you are. After a host put you in an alliance with pevergreen during a game, you formed an unbeatable team of bromance which shakes the very foundations of the earth. pevergreen is: (kitaman27) You are Town Victory condition: You win when all anti-town forces have been eliminated. Personal vice: You hate pevergreen getting lynched. You don’t have that much time for mafia anymore, and so when pevergreen gets lynched, you don’t get mad, you get even. The following day phase, a player of your choice will by lynched, in addition to the normal lynch. My odd comradery with kitaman27 even early game should prove this beyond a doubt, but in case you need further proof, you may recall this: On February 14 2011 05:24 SiNiquity wrote: I'd post a rolleyes smiley but even a thousand wouldn't cut it so: http://i54.tinypic.com/28k6no3.gif Reenk Roink: http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132167-Council-of-Villains-A-State-of-Corruption-Concluded&p=2053255245&highlight=rolleyes thousand smiley#post2053255245 peverreenk For, The, Win. Highfive Kita Vote: Chaoser | ||
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On February 20 2011 10:52 deconduo wrote: Hey SiNiquity (and anyone else), if you trust me vote for insanious today. Its should be clear I'm pro-town now. Unfortunately I can't reveal anything I knew in private before my death, I can only push without giving evidence. It doesn't matter. If we vote Insanious today and he's the SK as I suspect, then the GF will get 2 kills tonight and it will be 2 townies and the GF. Suppose I'm wrong (I'm not) and Chaoser is not GF - then chaoser is lynched, GF kills other person and mafia wins. If we vote Chaoser today and he's the GF, then SK gets 1 kill tonight. 3 town vs 1 SK. Suppose Insanious is for whatever reason not the SK (again, I think he is the SK, but let's consider this). Mislynch, next day is 1 town vs 1 SK hence SK wins. Therefore tonight and the next night is LyLo. It doesn't matter what order it's done in. | ||
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On February 20 2011 11:24 chaoser wrote: So let's get this straight, for me, only YOU think i'm GF. But for SK, me, the "GF" thinks insanious is SK, GMarshal cracked why's clues that point to him as a killer (SK), and now deconduo saying he's pretty sure that insanious is SK. Which do you think is the risk you want to take? Multiple concrete signs pointing to him as SK (you even think he's SK). Or some crazy plan that you think I thought up. It's not a risk. Tonight and tomorrow is LyLo. Either we win with both lynches, or we lose the game. It's irrelevant in which order. | ||
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On February 20 2011 11:30 Insanious wrote: So when I turn out to be town, and chaoser, GMarshal, and deconduo finds out they killed the town... I wonder what they will say (i bet they will blame me for looking scummy  )Dude shut up, you have a dead man's cipher pointing directly at you. | ||
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On February 20 2011 11:37 chaoser wrote: How is it not a risk. You know he's SK. The only thing that makes you think I'm mafia is a crazy plan you thought up and my name on the top of some list. Yes it looks pretty shitty, but in that case, if the order doesn't matter, at least kill the SK first. There's concrete proof on him, you only have conjecture on me. That's like saying, hey guys! a DT checked him and he's SK, but whatever, lets kill this guy instead cause based on analysis that I don't know is right or not, I think he's mafia! How hard is this to comprehend:
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On February 18 2011 07:28 darmousseh wrote: Wouldn't the part be in red? Scum slip post death. Given the 3rd party is still alive, mafia. Night actions this game
So darmousseh and thefluffyone93 are mafia (fluffy because he was the only death in between Nights 3 and 4). Most often Mafia ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 23 Yaseikhaan (Chaoser) 19 Sasaki Kojiro (thefluffyone93) 16 atheotes (darmousseh) And finally (I can't believe I omitted this from my original analysis): On January 22 2011 16:51 pevergreen wrote: Its a theme game. Its quite different to the normal TL style, but its the default system I've played for the last 4 years, it works well enough. What's the theme to this game? Every character is related to their role. This, and only this explains the existence of GMarshal's ability to check player names. On top of the analysis done on you already, and yes, you're 100% grandfather. This isn't a guess or a shot in the dark. This is as damning, if not more so, than why's cipher on Insanious. Either way, peverreenk wins again. | ||
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On February 20 2011 12:04 chaoser wrote: Ok, another question. If I'm GF, and he's SK, and we're going to be lynched in turn, why am I trying so goddamn hard to get him lynched first? Because like any good mafiaso, you're going to fight until the very last breath. That's a dumb question. | ||
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On February 20 2011 12:09 chaoser wrote: Whatever clearly you are retarded, I leave it to the rest of town. GG. When you lose the game I hope you're happy. I can't argue with you anymore cause you're dead set on the idea that you're a genius and right. What's the theme to this game? Every character is related to their role. What about that one name claim that said he is always mafia? Who was that? I'm dumb I forgot: On February 17 2011 03:20 GMarshal wrote: From: pevergreen [ 173 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Orgah mafia Role PM Date: 2/11/11 09:45 You are Beskar You post a fair bit, analyse well and are generally well liked. From Britain, you tend to dislike ‘Engrish’ and bastardisations of your language. You have an intense rivalry with ‘atheotes’ who often gets randomly selected as mafia. In fact, its almost a rule that ‘atheotes is always mafia’ You are [I]Town[I] Victory condition: You win when all anti-town forces have been eliminated. Reply darmousseh (atheotes) LOL | ||
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On February 20 2011 12:11 GMarshal wrote: Atheotes, and he probably *was* mafia, or are you referring to something else? Either way SiNiquity, please do me a favor and vote for the SK, we can look at the survivors after tonight and make up our minds I was going to say ~ I'm not stopping you voting for the SK, but chaoser's mine, and it's not like it matters anyway. However, I realize that chaoser could switch his vote at the last minute and make it a 2-2-2 contest (it appears Beefy is forced to vote gryffindor much like Misder was forced to vote fluffy), and it's not immediately clear how ties would be broken. So either I switch to Insanious or you all switch to chaoser. I'm a team player. A peverreenk team player. unvote: Chaoser vote: Insanious | ||
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On February 20 2011 12:16 chaoser wrote: You'd think as the mafia head I'd remember that. WIFOM | ||
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On February 21 2011 03:20 GMarshal wrote: We KNOW he is mafia because in my PM it says clearly "In fact, its almost a rule that ‘atheotes is always mafia’" We have to assume that our PMs aren't lying to us so, obviously darmousseh is mafia, he has the same DT power I have because our roles are parallel, his is probably about the intense rivalry he has with Beskar, remember knowing names is an ability that is as useful to the mafia as it is to us Either way assuming I survive the night, who should I namecheck? Gryffindor or Beefy. You can check me if you want but it'll be a waste ~ I've already claimed Reenk Roink, and it's clear the character exists. I also have breadcrumbed back to Reenk Roink's character early in the game before his name was revealed, both directly (post from totalwar forum) and indirectly (bizarre comradery with kitaman). | ||
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On February 21 2011 08:30 beefy187 wrote: Fixed for you since chaoser's already been checked. | ||
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On February 21 2011 14:06 beefy187 wrote: If its me and gryffindor, why have I been voting for him for the last few phases? Purple. No really I don't even know what we're talking about anymore. I thought you meant for who to check tonight. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Q3Mjwu_v3e0/TV1oQ0IlOHI/AAAAAAAAAhU/seC8AVX9f1k/s1600/Watson%2Btoronto.png) k idk wtf is going on anymore.
I don't know what to make of that at all. All I know at this point is that I'm town, but my saying so doesn't do any good. However what is certain is that I'm Reenk Roink and I chose to kill Mr. Wiggles because I get a day-shot if kitaman dies. I was also convinced (sadly) that Chaoser was GF ~ from the SK's point of view either Insanious or deconduo were GF [per why's clue], and hence would want to kill both of them immediately (deconduo dies in the night from the SK, Insanious lynched the following day). It's WIFOM, but why hunt down Chaoser and try to get the town to lynch the non-GF and risk my life in the process? I don't have a pulse on either gryffindor or beefy. GMarshal is pro-town enough, but I'm a bit suspicious that a detective of sorts has survived all the way to the end of the game. Help me out other townies :\ | ||
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So GF is certainly free to write w/e, and I guess SK isn't (seems silly to leave a trail of clues pointing at your kills). So GF copies SK to kill Chaoser to trick us into thinking SK's the one that's alive. That's the only possibility that fits with why's cipher / death. Hmm. | ||
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Cursed closed setup :\ | ||
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Collusion to keep you alive as a WIFOM gambit works with one 3rd party (mafia), but with two (mafia & SK) both can't collude to not kill you. | ||
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On February 22 2011 09:16 darmousseh wrote: Did anyone know the role of ilovejohn? I'm guessing he was the godfather. If he were godfather then there would never be more than 2 kills after his death (1 SK, 1 for grunts). | ||
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On February 22 2011 09:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Hey, here's an idea, Third Party. Insanious was part of the third party, and they get some kind of KP, and then the third party KP was used on deconduo the other night. So maybe it's not an SK, it's a third party with some kind of shared KP? So deconduo is grandfather, and Insanious was one of a group of 3rd party? | ||
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I'd still like to see both yours and gryffindor's role pms | ||
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On February 16 2011 08:18 beefy187 wrote: Okay, I can vote for GGQ. Unvote, Vote: GGQ Except this one here. I can't seem to find where GGQ voted for him. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=186653¤tpage=34#666 | ||
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"GGQ has too many votes, can some of you vote for me so that I have more people to vote for" ^ Pre-edit, and I'm guessing had to edit because it was red text. | ||
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On February 21 2011 23:02 beefy187 wrote: Vote: gryffindor gryffindor has lived for too long. I believe he is the last surviving baddy and he must be lynched. Can you post your role PM? | ||
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Thanks for being here guys :\ | ||
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GMarshal: Checks roles (not alignment) Beefy: Vengeful voter SiNiquity: Day-vig if pevergreen/kitaman is killed. 1 of these is the bad guy. | ||
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unvote At least he can vote for whomever he chooses now. | ||
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SiNiquity
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Original Message From pevergreen: You are Reenk Roink One of the most respected members, you are skilled in debating,mafia and anything else you say you are. After a host put you in an alliance with pevergreen during a game, you formed an unbeatable team of bromance which shakes the very foundations of the earth. pevergreen is: (kitaman27) You are Town Victory condition: You win when all anti-town forces have been eliminated. Personal vice: You hate pevergreen getting lynched. You don’t have that much time for mafia anymore, and so when pevergreen gets lynched, you don’t get mad, you get even. The following day phase, a player of your choice will by lynched, in addition to the normal lynch. You laugh at peoples arguments, dismiss them, make references to how good the team of ‘peverreenk’ is and defend kitman27 when possible, as you are much better at mafia than him. You taunt those that question your ideas. Sorry if I came off strongly | ||
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