TL Mafia XXXV

On December 28 2010 05:25 LSB wrote:

I've seen it many times actually.

Kenpachi/Coagulation (Almost, but we switched)- Deconduo's Don't lose your village game
Me/Pyrr- TLMMM 2
Me- Harry Potter Mafia
Masq- Haunted Mafia
Bill Murray (Almost, but Ace made us switch x.x)- Penalty Mafia
And many others...

On December 28 2010 05:40 LSB wrote:

Yes but we would be pointing fingers at every single inactive. We wouldn't just focus on one (Like how a lynch would work), we would just take notice of people and ask them questions.

On a somewhat related note...


Well, there's a few good discussion points right now.
Like what do you think of me?

As for TheMango, I'll PM him then

On December 28 2010 06:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

it makes a difference because it creates the illusion that lsb is having a positive impact on this game

On December 29 2010 04:43 annul wrote:


then this is your real reson. its not his blue claim, its "i do not believe annul's analysis."

On December 29 2010 13:02 seRapH wrote:


??

And RoL explain why Insanious is scummy?

On December 29 2010 13:11 annul wrote:
god fucking damn it

tell me, how can you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are a veteran?

On December 29 2010 13:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
lol i bet coag is playing on jackals account either that or they have nearly identical diction

On December 30 2010 12:06 seRapH wrote:
Hm, so mafia isn't bluesniping, but aiming at very experienced players. Getting LSB lynched must have made them real happy...
Going to try to get analysis in tommorow.

On December 30 2010 12:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
alright everyone vote insanious or my previously outlined reasons.

On December 30 2010 12:35 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Who would you propose we lynch? I am pretty sure about all 3 of you, right now I would prefer to go after Annul but I feel to get the backing on that would require very hard analysis. Tonight's hits make me think Annul is likely mafia and I can explain why. I still think you are most likely mafia but I can hold off on that judgment in favor of him.

On December 30 2010 16:23 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

Just to correct his right now. This is false logic. It gave us information. a LOT of information. Redirecting a lynch last second gives us absolutely nothing except for knowing who a bunch of impulsive townies and a couple of mafia are. Like I said, look at the (day3?) lynch in Salem where they switched to Darth, Darth never defended himself or anything just the entire town switched the vote and got nothing for it. Watching that happen was terrible, considering they were about to actually lynch a mafia.

As another note, holding off a lynch is rarely a good idea. Most of the time pushing off a lynch leads to the town completely forgetting or constantly pushing off that lynch. Look at pandain in Insane mafia. He was so obviously scum and they ALMOST killed him a few times constantly pushing it off. Pandain ended up being the only player alive at the end, winning the game for the mafia. Deal with shit now, especially when there is no 100% way to confirm someone that isn't completely ass backwards retarded. The first half of my post on Seraph where I outline the importance of blue roles was a farce. I do not believe for a second we need blue roles to win this game. My creed is that behavioral analysis is the be all and end all of mafia, you either analyze and win or you don't and you lose. Blue roles can help, but at the end of the day who gives a shit about a DT check when there is a framer/miller/godfather in the game. I just wanted to try to see what the response was to that post, while outlining an analysis on a suspicious player. Unfortunately I was at work shortly after I got around to posting that so I wasn't able to see the results until I got home after 10PM when the Day was over, but I still think it served its purpose which is why I attacked you and Seraph.

On December 30 2010 18:57 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright. So I am tired of this town being wishwashy so much. Tomorrow before I go to work I am going to decide on a lynch target. We are going to kill them, if I am wrong you guys can kill me if you so wish it. The thing is I will chose my target, I will push them relentlessly, and I will be right. I will most likely choose one of the three mentioned before, but it is going to be large analysis followed by a relentless attack until I get my way. I see three candidates going out right now with some shitty stupid reasoning. I will examine every person being suggested right now and decide which one is best. I welcome all who oppose me.

On December 31 2010 02:12 Barundar wrote:
Discussion just died, no way we are getting anywhere like this.


I'm not sure we need another all out war between 2 players now, even if you have been right in other games - to be honest this is the first time I have seen you alive by day 2 as town in the 2 games I've played with you.

I'm not entirely sure what the rationale behind voting Insanious is, he was very active throughout yesterday, and would a mafia really have an incentitive to put themselves in the spotlight that much for an innocent? Same reasoning kinda rules out Pandain as scum for me, why would he be so wavering to defend a blue?

I'd like to get some more people's opinion on these targets. LSB's aim was to lure out lurkers, before he got sidetracked by the debate between himself and annul. Honest opinions will atleast give us something to work with.

On January 01 2011 05:40 orgolove wrote:


... serious?

On January 01 2011 06:25 GGQ wrote:
What you don't seem to understand is that voting for a double lynch today means that we have a double lynch tomorrow.

On January 02 2011 23:01 Node wrote:
I'm willing to bet a bajillion ESPORTS dollars that RoL is mafia -- mostly for the reasons that Barundar posted. He's right in that the mini-fight with annul after annul's lynch was practically inevitable confirms it. His attempt to gain medic protection tonight as he's a prime vigi target makes me even more sure.

On January 04 2011 06:36 ~OpZ~ wrote:
sorry rol.....but im really fine lynching insanious now. or seraph. has he posted since you died? why has nobody said this. barundar is the one, along with myself who chose rol. but he used it as rol fucking up. dunno. i should of talked to rol. i guess i should of realized he was vet. always talking a lot during night phase. he didnt seem to be playing right.

On January 04 2011 08:53 ShoCkeyy wrote:



Ok, I can't believe you guys are letting Pandain get away... He's asking for blues to roleclaim... He has everyone believing he's a blue, which clearly he's not imo. Why do you go asking blues to roleclaim it's pretty easy to stack hits as a Mafia member and just kill off pandain, but of course he hasn't died because he's one of them. If the mafia really wanted to kill off blues, they already know one right here.

Pandain isn't a blue. Heed my warning.

On January 04 2011 09:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

How is attacking the godfather a good idea? If you really think they're scum prove it. At this point they're some of the only people scum hunting in the thread. Until you start pitching in I'd say pandain and barundar are way more town then you.

On January 05 2011 00:58 GeorgeClooney wrote:
Okay ladies and gentlemen,

I would like to make my first and meaningful post in TLmafia, because I have some justifying reasons to my inactivity. I as you know, a celebrity. I do not live the life of an average human, rather I travel. I see the worlds colours through my very own dark brown pupils. The reflection of the light strathoms threw my eyes penetrating the last line of defence: ego. As it bursts, the colours of chilling blue and blazing red enter the very soul of my heart. As a man I felt ashamed. I have let down not only my family and friends, I have let down even myself.

I bent over in the cracks of dawn, thinking about the previous night. attemping to reconcile the events, but suddenly. A jolt shackled through the seeping narrow gap that layed between each bone in my spine. The pain was immense. I clenched my fist in anger, but.
I couldn't...
I looked left in my supposedly clenched first, but it was still open. Like a wintergrasp flower opening up. With all the roots deeping seeping into the ground. A giant darkeness overcame me. I struggled but nothing was listing. My temple refuse to listen to me. The closing tip of my worship tower was sealed, my influence has no more control. My eyes close.

"ARE YOU OKAY".

Woken up by the shaking of face, I arose. It was my sister. Her tears were rushing down her face like the ohio river in the spring.

What happened I thought.....

"YOU WERE H...."

THE END.....of part 1.

I am town.

On January 08 2011 02:18 orgolove wrote:
Ugh. Again. I see that we have no counter bandwagon forming vs Seraph. The reds are not worried at all about him dying. I think it points towards seraph -not- being a red. Again - I think we are following Pandain's lead into lynching another green. Why are we still trusting this fool...

On January 10 2011 09:37 Pandain wrote:
Yeah I don't know why they roleblocked me.

On January 12 2011 23:29 TheMango wrote:
lol, just saw your point about me voting meapeak during night. It's ridiculous that you think that's a scum tell. Give me a break, I obviously messed up and posted incorrectly. If anything, I WOULDN'T make that mistake as mafia. I'm not even going to bother responding to you anymore. Everyone else should be very wary of being misled by orgolove, either intentionally or mistakenly, as his analysis is very flawed.

On January 13 2011 07:21 Pandain wrote:
Just voting people who turn out to be red doesn't mean you yourself are red. I disagree with the statement that Mango is mafia. I think he's town.

Mango seems to me just a bored/new townie. He's uncomfortable with the online format, and has even told me several times he's just chillaxing cause he's pretty confused. I do think he is suspicious, but think IloveJonn/d3 would be a far better choice to lynch.

There are a number of reasons why I think theMango is town, or at least why Ilovejonn/d3 are better lynches.

1.Mango has at least posted with decent content. He posts, and doesn't try to act like he's contributing really. He posts short things with short content. Mafia usually want to act like they're at least being pretty contributive. This is why d3 is suspicious. He's posted pretty long things, but they're all either repeats of what someone else said, about the format of the game, or after I force him to post.

2.Mango pmed me several times, on his own. Usually mafia don't want to be the one contributing, they want to just sit back and let the town not talk for 24 hours.



Posts like this are the suspicious posts. First of all, why would you want to lynch our DT, at all!! Second of all, he just says "ya, mango is red" without saying anything about it. This is why Jackal is now suspicious to me.

I agree with soulfire, but will be voting D_3 for the second lynch.

On January 13 2011 10:53 Pandain wrote:
Also wth are some of these reasons for people voting me



He's saying lynch a DT(he was under the impression I was dt, hey, mafia thought so too. coincidence?). But really, LYNCH A DT? He said "now we don't have to protect him. Plus he's useless". Theres a reason why medics would've protected dts!







Does anyone not see what's happening here....???

On January 13 2011 15:07 why wrote:
So, I did some math:

The split right now is likely 7 townies and 3 mafia. If we double mislynch today then we are down to 5 townies. Then, there are would be 2 NK so, barring a medic save or a vet hit we'd be down to 3. And then we have lost. Let me repeat that:

If we double mislynch today and there isn't a medic save or vet hit tonight, we lose.

What does this mean? Mafia are much more likely to strongly push lynches and take risks today, as they will win if they can lynch two towns. Therefore, we need to be very careful with orgolove's suggested plan. If orgolove is red, then he has just picked two green players that seem particularly scummy to lynch, hope town sheeps with him, and then when they both flip green there are no consequences because he just won the game for the reds. Because of this, we should try to lynch someone other than TheMango or Soulfire. I don't care which doesn't get lynched (orgolove's case for both is pretty convincing, to be honest) but only one of them at most should because if they are both town then orgolove just won the game for mafia. I also think it is suspicious that as soon as orgolove posted that, three other people immediately followed his lead (ilovejohn, Mr. Zergling, and Jackal58, although Jackal58 since changed one of his votes to pandain). This, to me, looks like mafia is jumping on a green bandwagon which means one or both of TheMango and Soulfire are probably green.

I still think Mr. Zergling is a likely red especially given the bandwagon, and ilovejohn and jackal58 are also much more on my radar now given their quick jumping on the bandwagon. So, I'm going to switch my second vote from soulfire to ilovejohn for now (since jackal58 at least changed his vote off of soulfire).

TLDR; Orgolove could be mafia, don't let both soulfire and TheMango die.

On January 14 2011 03:33 TheMango wrote:
Why do you guys keep assuming we have DT's, correct me if I'm wrong, but especially with the number of veteran/vigilantes we had so far, isn't it likely that we could have no DT's and maybe even only 2 mafia left? I think we shouldn't rely on DT's saving us and start thinking for ourselves. It's a bad mentality to use DT's as a crutch.

If we do have a DT, and he/they only happened to check people who are dead now, it wouldn't help to come out now anyway.

On January 14 2011 04:38 Pandain wrote:


There are several things wrong with this paragraph. For one, why do you think that out of orgo and me one of us has to be red? You never responded to when I rebutted your "argument" against me(which was really just "lets lynch the dt so mafia don't have to shoot him.").

I want you to respond to this. Why do you think out of us two one of us has to be red, and why don't you think the other people are better lynches?

On January 10 2011 05:57 Pandain wrote:
Hello everyone. I'm back.

First off, I'd like to express my satisfaction to God that he made Brockett be inactive, as that helped us alot.

Second off, I'd like to emphasize a certain point I had made earlier.

You have to be active. In the course of 24 hours, only 5 posts had been made. I find this very disturbing to me. In fact, even though I have already admitted I fake claimed DT, I have been roleblocked for the third time in a row.

On January 14 2011 05:54 why wrote:
I am going to switch my vote to Jackal58 because he was in on the bandwagon, it looks like no one else is going to vote for ilovejohn, and I don't want both TheMango and soulfire lynched. At least Jackal is on everyone's radar. I might not be back before deadline and I want to consolidate the votes.

I'm not going to vote for pandain because I think he is town. He has been posting frequently, has fostered discussion, and led the lynch on the godfather, for god's sake. He missed a bunch, but at this point it is too late to lynch for messing up; we need to lynch red tonight. There are definitely scummier people.

On January 14 2011 07:50 orgolove wrote:
And really. Did flamewheel pull a fast one on us and the game thus does not have any town investigation roles? What is the DT doing in this game?

On January 14 2011 17:18 TheMango wrote:
woops, 3 town, 3 mafia if there is a medic save, even then, if town doesn't instantly vote for someone right away and get to 3 votes first, mafia still win. So I think this game is pretty much over :/

On January 15 2011 01:07 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Watch i know d3 pandain and why aren't going to die, because they're mafia.

On January 15 2011 11:58 LunarDestiny wrote:
MAN, TOWN SUCKS.

On January 16 2011 03:10 TheMango wrote:
lol, I wonder who the mafia is...

On January 16 2011 14:02 TheMango wrote:


Sucks, but realize he was town as well, and not a blue. Most of us have been voting for the wrong targets as well, it just looks bad for Pandain because he was leading the charge. Just because his mistakes were visible and he has a track record of being wrong with his lynch targets does not mean you should vote me off. We will lose the game guaranteed if you guys vote me off. You dont find it suspicious in the least that mr.zergling auto voted me right after you?

On January 17 2011 12:44 annul wrote:
the voting is locked right?

On January 17 2011 12:44 d3_crescentia wrote:

I imagine so.

Wish the post would come up so we can launch into discussion.

On January 17 2011 12:50 d3_crescentia wrote:

I kind of feel the same way. Still, I'm gonna save my thoughts until after the official end of game post.

On January 17 2011 12:51 annul wrote:
i knew my strategy of taking out the small number of good players was smart

town, just realize how much more of a rape it wouldve been if 40% my team wasnt AFK.

framer and godfather role had NO power this game, since there were no DTs. the only role the roleblocker could hit was the vig (since there were only vets and vigs). so the roleblocker was very gimp too. i dont like the role setup for this game, but alas.

btw, i knew ROL was vet on day 1 so thats why he lived. he can confirm too, i called it in AIM

On January 17 2011 12:58 bumatlarge wrote:
Man LSB was right -_- I dont even feel like going through this game to see all the things town did wrong, but the lack of blues was really cruel.

On January 17 2011 13:04 Pandain wrote:
Wow I did not expect why to be mafia. He was like the only one I thought to be pro town >.>

Even though I've played really horribly this game, I still feel like I've learned much more from this game than any other, mostly because of the bootcamp. I'd greatly like to thank:
Ver,Incognito,BC,Flamewheel,Qatol,and especially Foolishness. If there was anyone else I'm sorry I forgot.




I disagree. I still feel like that was a good move. If there had been any actual blue roles, then they would've been getting confirmed/doing their actions safely.
In fact I thought we were sure to win, since I thought there would probably be like 2 dts, each of them having confirmed a person each night while I got roleblocked.

On January 17 2011 13:07 Pandain wrote:

Thanks for the explanation. This was actually one of the many problems I had this game. In this game it seemed the mafia were more active than the town, or at least more contributive. -.-