EPTTL Mafia XXXV - Page 43
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
You'll have to dig but it's the same forum. Same user name. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
He seems to believe this fact has relevance here. I don't get it. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6784 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
First, I want to start by saying Meapak_Ziphh has 15 posts from a thread with around 845 posts in it. This puts him in the bottom 10 for amount of posts in the thread. Now, onto the actual analysis. On December 27 2010 17:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hey everyone just read through, nice day post that one was a gem. Anyway while I agree with most of what Pandain has to say I believe LSB said almost the same thing as well... little chummy you two  Anyway the votes for pandain are stupid, it's waaaay too early to have a bandwagon people (and c'mon you guys are vets for the most part). Now, I found it interesting that the first actual FoS on LSB came from Meapak_Ziphh. We all attributed the FoS to Annul, but really the first post in the thread that called LSB possibly red was one done by Meapak. Although it was done in a way that allowed him to distance himself from the FoS. But the FoS was the first in the thread, and the bandwagons on both Pandain and LSB took off soon after this post. On December 28 2010 05:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LSB; while Annul doesn't have a very strong case against you, your defense was pretty pathetic. I've had a bad gut feeling about you for a while, it's not something I was planning on voting on but Annul did bring out all of the problems I had been having with your posts. I'm not voting you quite yet but I would like you to give more than one line answers whenever someone puts a fos on you. Consider this post a +1 for Annul's case against LSB. I'd like to see you take some time in defending yourself and not just brush it off because there were some good points in annul's post. Now it is true that Annul was the first to bring a case against LSB, it was not a very strong one. Even Meapak_Ziphh points out that the case against LSB was a rather weak one. On December 28 2010 15:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I know people are just pressure voting opz but I find it odd how many people signed up for that so quickly. Anyway I'm going to vote for LSB. Annul's analyis isn't that bad considering the game only just started and it seems pretty dumb for a mafia to be that vocal right off the bat. For me the first lynch is always more gut feeling then solid evidence because of how little we have to base our decision off of but in this case I'm feeling pretty good about lynching LSB. Especially since I'm not the only one who saw LSB as suspicious and felt something was off. A couple posts later, and now the case against LSB is "not bad" and worthy of a vote. Before the case was not strong enough, and was only worth of a FoS. But suddenly it changed into Vote worthy. The problem I see with this is, nothing was added to the case at all. No more analysis, just more "no you" posts. On December 30 2010 14:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Insanious you are waaay to certain that you KNEW LSB was blue. Only the mafia KNOW anything 100%. You were ready to believe his blue claim right off the bat which is pretty stupid because it just as easily could have been a mafia lying to save his ass. What I find really strange as well is that you continue to try and say "Well LSB could have proved himself" when clearly he really couldn't without help from the town. Yes we could have had a vigi hit him but boy that would be the dumbest vigi hit ever. Think about it, LSB says "hey vigi hit me I'm a vet" the vigi goes "ok" and bam we lost one of our best options to come back if we're losing in the late game. The benifits of having a vigi with a hit way outweigh the benifits of having a confirmed townie (not even a blue at this point because he's lost his extra life). We can go further with this idea, the mafia could have hit him on the night that the vigi was supposed to hit him thus not only losing a vigi hit but killing a blue as well. In short, LSB lied, he had no way to confirm himself and he just blew his own defense. You're trying to portray yourself as protown because you were against the lynch but you've over emphasised this to the point that it appears scummy. You've also continued to harp on LSB's claim as a point in your favor which doesn't look good either because there was no way to know for sure if LSB was telling the truth although you were all too willing to believe him for my liking. Then, right after the death of LSB. One of the strongest proponents of the LSB lynch, suddenly turns on the defendants of the lynch. Meapak went from "LSB is scum, kill him now" to "anyone who thought that LSB wasn't scum is scum". It just doesn't flow correctly to me... the other LSB proponents (like Annul) didn't suddenly accuse me of being scum. As well, the other people who think I am scum weren't so strongly for the LSB lynch. This type of connection between anti-LSB lynch = scum from someone so pro-LSB lynch just doesn't seem right to me. On December 31 2010 14:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hey guys. I just finished compiling a very long and very interesting spread sheet analyzing the voting patterns. I'll share it once it has been proofed and I might wait for a few more votes so it will be even more useful. It doesn't tell me anything conclusive right now but for those with the time I'd encourage everyone to read the voting thread in it's entirity. There's some fascinating stuff there that. Here is some random trivia: Do you know who has voted the most? If my numbers are correct (don't take my word yet I'm still checking everything) the answer to this question is Pandain coming in on top with 6 votes. Do you wanna know who has been voted for the most? Ironically enough if you discount our first lynch target who was voted for by 12 different people, Pandain is the most voted for living person with 10 votes. Oh I've got lots of fun facts. Do you know how many people were the only vote on their target when the votes were tallied? The answer is.... five people were the only votes on their target when the voting ended. Who was the first vote for LSB? How about Brocket? Well those awards go toAnnul and Insanious. I've only just started but before I'm done I'm sure I'll have lots more fun trivia and maybe a few reds for everyone :D And then Meapak's final post seems REALLY scummy to me. "I have secret hidden data based on voting, that I will share eventually but not now, so keep me alive so that I can share it later." It seems like a post that tries to give reason to not kill Meapak without actually adding anything to the town. As well, this post is filled with a lot of FoS's that are connected to data that is not relevant to finding scum. "Insanious was the first one to vote Brocket" ya no duh, I was the one that tryed to get him lynched instead of LSB. "Annul was the first to vote LSB" which is interesting... since the first one to suspect LSB being mafia was Meapak, but I digress. "Pandain has had the most votes on him and remained alive" alright, so... This has nothing to do with finding reds, all it does is FoS people, and confuse the town into thinking there is actual reason to lynch these people. - - - - To me, Meapak seems scummy. He is posting in a way that distances himself from lynches he starts, he attacks those that disagreed with him even if right. Then he posts a non-sense post that does nothing but try to confuse the town. This seems red to me. You can agree or disagree... but its going to be my first vote in this game based on analysis instead of simply a desire to save someone else in the game. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On December 31 2010 12:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: roar ......? This contributes to the thread? | ||
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
On December 31 2010 14:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hey guys. I just finished compiling a very long and very interesting spread sheet analyzing the voting patterns. I'll share it once it has been proofed and I might wait for a few more votes so it will be even more useful. Why share this information? It doesn't help the town to know that someone is looking at voting patterns, anyone can do that. Not to mention, it is way too early to tell anything from the current votes cast yet. This will be useful on say day's 4 and 5 but not day 2. Now another thing I want to know is what does "one it has been proofed" mean? Once he has checked to make sure it is accurate? how long does that take with a 90 post thread filled 95% with one liners. This to me just seems like a way to tell the town that he is contributing without actually you know... contributing. "I am doing research on my own, so don't worry I am helping... but I can't tell you what I found yet because it doesn't say anything yet." It doesn't tell me anything conclusive right now but for those with the time I'd encourage everyone to read the voting thread in it's entirity. Basically telling everyone that what he has done means absolutely nothing, so don't read too much into it. There's some fascinating stuff there that. Here is some random trivia: Do you know who has voted the most? If my numbers are correct (don't take my word yet I'm still checking everything) the answer to this question is Pandain coming in on top with 6 votes. So then after telling everyone that your numbers mean nothing yet, you FoS Pandain here... with numbers that mean nothing. So what if Pandain switches his vote around a lot, it doesn't mean anything at all. It doesn't make Pandain scummy or town like, it means nothing, why include it? Do you wanna know who has been voted for the most? Ironically enough if you discount our first lynch target who was voted for by 12 different people, Pandain is the most voted for living person with 10 votes. Again useless data NOW, this means nothing after one day. This data means a lot LATER because it shows who's been saved the most during a lynch, but after a single day it just FoS's Pandain without actually meaning anything. Once again, more useless data to confuse the town. Oh I've got lots of fun facts. Notice he doesn't say useful facts, nor does he point out once in this post that anything he just said meant anything at all. This is just it... its kinda nice to know, but means nothing when it comes to finding scum. Do you know how many people were the only vote on their target when the votes were tallied? The answer is.... five people were the only votes on their target when the voting ended. Again, so what. You don't name anyone, you don't say this means anything, its just again more numbers there to make this seem useful when it really isn't, Who was the first vote for LSB? How about Brocket? Well those awards go toAnnul and Insanious. I've only just started but before I'm done I'm sure I'll have lots more fun trivia and maybe a few reds for everyone :D So then again you FoS Annul and myself... even though that means nothing. Annul posted an analysis on LSB after reading YOUR FoS on LSB and voted LSB accordingly. I was trying to save LSB so I started a vote on someone I thought seemed scummy because of past posting habits. Again, so what... we oppenly started the voting against these two people, this means nothing when it comes to finding scum. Here, this post does nothing but FoS Pandain, Annul, and my self. It tries to make Meapak_Ziphh seem useful to the town, without actually adding anything to the town. He is using good mafia analysis techniques (voting analysis) poorly (too early) to point out useless facts (everything in this thread) in order to look like he contributes without doing it. This post is incredibly scummy if I've ever seen a scummy post. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
We need the double lynch. | ||
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seRapH
United States9706 Posts
On December 31 2010 13:41 Jackal58 wrote: Coagulation informs me Hanna Montana is performing tomorrow at Disney World. He seems to believe this fact has relevance here. I don't get it. Get yourself banned and you'll see the relevance ;D I keep forgetting that not everybody knows what they're doing. =\ I'll give Soulfire a pass for now but he really needs to show up and take some sides  | ||
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
On December 31 2010 14:42 orgolove wrote: And don't make the mistake of... I think it was XXXIV or something like that, where town only used one. With a game where mafia has this many KP, town needs to use the double lynch - The longer we wait the larger the breath of the reds will be. We need the double lynch. The problem is we don't even have 1 good lynch candidate, let alone 2. We need more people that are suspicious to lynch. Who would you lynch right now? I can only think of 1 good person and then the other will be... some random that I don't want to lynch but need to vote for. This is a terrible idea... town KP is good when directed, but when you are just lynching for the sake of lynching that's when bad things happen. | ||
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seRapH
United States9706 Posts
On December 31 2010 14:44 Insanious wrote: The problem is we don't even have 1 good lynch candidate, let alone 2. We need more people that are suspicious to lynch. Who would you lynch right now? I can only think of 1 good person and then the other will be... some random that I don't want to lynch but need to vote for. This is a terrible idea... town KP is good when directed, but when you are just lynching for the sake of lynching that's when bad things happen. Once we get to Day 3 we will likely have multiple good targets. We're at 20 vs 6 right now, if we miss tonight, it'd be 16 vs 6, in which case it'd be very favorable for us to start double lynching. I'm for it. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6784 Posts
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
On December 31 2010 14:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Excuse me? I never fos'd any of those people who I mentioned in my above post. Making a post going "I'm making a huge spread sheet that is going to help find reds" and then bolding people's names looks to me like a way to FoS people without actually saying it... its FoS by association and you know that, don't try to pretend you don't. It's just pointing out stuff I found when looking for patterns in the voting thread which I thought were funny. Out of all the people who voted against LSB because you do seem pretty red to me. I didn't attack you BECAUSE you supported LSB but HOW you supported LSB. I was the only one actively supporting LSB... there was no one else to attack during that besides me. I don't know how you think I was the first person to fos LSB, my comment was more tongue and cheek and if you consider that an fos then I might as well have fos'd pandain as well. I did say you FoS'd Pandain if you read my post. Saying that the bandwagons of "Pandain and LSB followed soon after" also, you don't have to type FoS to FoS someone... any time you say "I'm keeping an eye on player X" or "Player X looks suspicious" that is an FoS... You my friend are actually the one trying to confuse the town, I never said I suspected any of the people I mentioned in my above post. You're putting words in my mouth and making it sound like I have some scary secret I'm keeping from the town. If people really want I'll find somewhere to upload this big scary thing so everyone can see it (I'll give you a hint, it's just a spread sheet showing who voted who). Dude, your post makes it seem like people should be suspicious of the people you bolded. Read what you wrote and how your wrote it. You didn't say "this data means nothing but was interesting" you said "I'm making a spreadsheet to find reds, and look what I found..." you FoS'd people based on how you posted, not on what you said. 10% of Mafia is what you actually post 90% of Mafia is how you post | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6784 Posts
Here, this post does nothing but FoS Pandain, Annul, and my self. It tries to make Meapak_Ziphh seem useful to the town, without actually adding anything to the town. He is using good mafia analysis techniques (voting analysis) poorly (too early) to point out useless facts (everything in this thread) in order to look like he contributes without doing it. You're doing nothing but trying to rile up the town, this is an appeal to passion that will probably work well to draw in inactive votes but it really doesn't help any serious discussion. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6784 Posts
Dude, your post makes it seem like people should be suspicious of the people you bolded. Read what you wrote and how your wrote it. You didn't say "this data means nothing but was interesting" you said "I'm making a spreadsheet to find reds, and look what I found..." you FoS'd people based on how you posted, not on what you said. But hey look, I even did what you said I did Here is some random trivia Using the words "random" and "trivia" to preface what I said normally indicates that the following information isn't really relevant but somewhat funny nontheless. Dude... I need to mention, the pandain bandwagon was going on before I made that first post that got you all wrapped up in knots. I want to say one thing quick in case anyone else got things mixed up like you did MY ABOVE POST IS NOT MEANT TO FOS ANYONE, IF I FOS YOU, I WILL TELL IT STRAIGHT AND NOT TRY AND HIDE IT. | ||
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Mr.Zergling
United States141 Posts
On December 31 2010 15:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lol you say But hey look, I even did what you said I did Using the words "random" and "trivia" to preface what I said normally indicates that the following information isn't really relevant but somewhat funny nontheless. Dude... I need to mention, the pandain bandwagon was going on before I made that first post that got you all wrapped up in knots. I want to say one thing quick in case anyone else got things mixed up like you did MY ABOVE POST IS NOT MEANT TO FOS ANYONE, IF I FOS YOU, I WILL TELL IT STRAIGHT AND NOT TRY AND HIDE IT. Hey, if the trivia is random, then why include it? Non-Relevant trivia has no place in scumhunting, unless you are trying to FoS someone in a subtle manner. The fact is this "Non-Relevant Trivia" could cause some players to be suspicous in other player's minds. This is an FoS. Why do this when it makes you look incredibly scummy? | ||
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Mr.Zergling
United States141 Posts
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6784 Posts
The fact is this "Non-Relevant Trivia" could cause some players to be suspicous in other player's minds. lol wut? If it causes a player to be suspicious of someone than it is relevant. I however don't beleive what I wrote qualifies as such. The fact that pandain has voted the most times really doesn't matter. Now what does matter is who each of those votes was for but by itself it's just something funny I thought I would share. Get a grip people, if you all honestly think I'm scum because of this post than this town is dead. It was admittedly a ill timed post but the fact that we're bickering over the semantics of whether I fosd someone or not is pretty stupid especially since I've said several times that I did not intend my post to be an fos of any sort. I'll just state my fos subjects now so we can put the debate of my fos to rest. Seraph, insanious, jackal58, pandain and themango are all suspicious in some degree to me. Tomorrow I'll load my goddamn spreadsheet somewhere so everyone can see it and be satisfied that there's nothing malicious in it. | ||
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