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Let's go over this real quick.
On December 31 2010 23:05 Node wrote:Holy crap, Meapak is extremely scummy. He only vaguely addresses all of the non-spreadsheet points brought up, he argues that his spreadsheet isn't scummy in and of itself (duh, of course it isn't, but what's important is the way he brought it up), and gets really over-defensive while not properly arguing the things brought up against him. Show nested quote +On December 31 2010 14:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:You're really grasping at straws right now. All you've been doing is putting words in my mouth claiming I've fos'd a whole bunch of people. He's "grasping at straws"... note how this never actually addresses the argument that's being made, it's just dismissive. And really, it's true: just because he never actually used the words "fos" doesn't mean that the purpose wasn't to call people out. I sure as hell don't bold player's names and make a post regarding their voting patterns unless I'm trying to say something about them. You're doing the same thing insanious was doing, you're just taking qoutes out of context in order to look bad, That qoute refers to what insanious was saying about me fosing all those people. I actually didn't dismiss the argument you just cleverly cut the qoute out. Show nested quote +On December 31 2010 14:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:You're doing nothing but trying to rile up the town, this is an appeal to passion that will probably work well to draw in inactive votes but it really doesn't help any serious discussion. "Hey guys, don't pay attention to the analysis, it's just an appeal to passion". What the hell? I sure as hell didn't read Insanious' posts as an "appeal to passion". Same thing here, if you had actually been reading my post you would hav realized that I had qouted insanious and said that his qoute was an appeal to passion. I never called any of insaniou's analysis as an "appeal to passion" only the qoute which you again cleverly cut out. Show nested quote +On December 31 2010 16:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Get a grip people, if you all honestly think I'm scum because of this post than this town is dead. It was admittedly a ill timed post but the fact that we're bickering over the semantics of whether I fosd someone or not is pretty stupid especially since I've said several times that I did not intend my post to be an fos of any sort. He's getting really over-defensive here. And anything like "xxx or this town is dead" sets off alarm bells in my head, it's basically "saaaave meeee..... for the good of the town! really! town town town!" lol I'm not saying saaaaaaaave meeee at all, I'm just saying that it's bad analysis to base your whole argument off of one post. I'm not being defensive I'm just pissed that this is the best analysis people can come up with. A really large FoS on Meapak_Ziph
Other stuff, themango you are the least suspicious of the people I named there however you made my list because your posting has been very lurkeresque and I just have a bad gut feeling, nothing to make me go vote you yet but I'm watching.
Due to subsequent analysis done by soulfire and why I will be switching my vote to seraph. I'll also be voting double lynch so we can snag Mr. Zergling (who it seems like he has ghost writers for some of his posts as barunder pointed out) and any possible dt finds next day.
Here's my scary spreadsheet. https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Avd6ntYaUwcvdER2Vlc3VGE2TDc1Y3ZMWWphYWRraGc&hl=en&authkey=CPfgpLgH Here's how you read this, the perpendicular is who voted and the horizontal is who they voted for. Have fun :D
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Screwed up the format as usual >_>
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As per pandain's suggestion, my analysis of:
21. Ryuu314/DarthThienAn
+ Show Spoiler +Ryuu314's first real post in the game: On December 28 2010 11:36 Ryuu314 wrote:
I'll be afk for a good bit of time because I'll be flying back the NA from Asia so I'll do some of my noobie analysis (first game woot!) here for the time being.
While the debate between annul and LSB is interesting and they both have quite a few scum posts, I'd go so far as to say that their debate is very non-argumentative. At times in their debate it seems as though they're really arguing about nothing since the debate jumped from whether or not voting inactives was the proper move to do on Day 1. They both more or less agree. Then the debate goes into DT strategy. Again, it still all seems very non-argumentative as at this point in the game, DT strat is pretty pointless as checks will all be more or less random and luck-based. TBH all it really seems like to me is just a bunch of dancing. Granted, it stimulates discussion straight off the bat, but I really don't believe it merits enough to vote for them. As such, I'm going to change my vote to one of the inactives who have yet to post. He says he'll be afk. He then provides his opinion on the LSB/annul debate. He says it does not look very argumentative to him, and does not take a hard stance against either of them. He instead opts to pressure vote inactives.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 29 2010 18:55 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2010 18:38 Brocket wrote:
Also if you know what's good for you don't get on my case. If you say anything dumb or wrong I'm going to call you out on it and it won't be pleasant. Threats? :O Seems scummy. I have to agree with Node on his analysis on Pandain. Before I changed my previous vote from Pandain to why, who was at that time an inactive, Pandain PM'd me asking me why I voted him. Now, it was probably just a little nudge to see why I was voting the way I am and likely fueled by curiosity as anything. Still, after going through all his posts he seems quite too wishy-washy to me. Add to the fact that he hasn't posted anything for quite some time makes me wonder. Notes his suspicion of Pandain, but does not take a hard stance against him.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 30 2010 04:34 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2010 03:45 Jackal58 wrote:
How many of you receive PMs from Pandain questioning your reasons for voting? Me. But I think that might've been out of curiosity/panic than anything. The bandwagon on him was rather fast and (almost) unjustified. Shows regret at having jumped on the bandwagon against Pandain at the beginning of the game.
+ Show Spoiler +Until this point, Ryuu's voting matches what he's been saying. He jumped on the bandwagon against Pandain, which he later said was almost unjustified, then voted for why, an inactive. He did not change his vote again before the day 1 lynch.
This is where DarthThienAn comes in:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 31 2010 11:21 DarthThienAn wrote:
someone fill me in imo imo imo On January 01 2011 03:01 DarthThienAn wrote:
so, from what I've read on this last page, seraph and mr. zergling are suspected to be mafia? and the analysis doesnt look bad, esp. the one on zergling.
also, TheMango is definitely red. Look at his name ^^; Jokes and a restatement of what's been happening, nothing substantial. He has also not voted for the day 2 lynch yet.
Result: Inconclusive. Ryuu has not posted anything that seems particularly incriminating to me. DarthThienAn has only been in the game for a short while, and has only posted twice. He played Salem Mafia, where he was town, and his posts there where characterized by short one liners until later in the game it seems. What he is doing now is not out of character with that. I'd like to see DarthThienAn start posting more though, so we can get a better read on him. What are your guys' thoughts?
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And by Pandain's suggestion, I mean posting an analysis of the person underneath you.
EBWOP:
On January 01 2011 07:37 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
As per pandain's suggestion, my analysis of:
29. Ryuu314/DarthThienAn
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The person under me is annul
Honestly there is not much to analyze after his tunneling of LSB. I'm not going to revisit that.
Most of his posts since day 1 lynch are in defense of his tunneling. And since he has fallen oddly silent.
I'm assuming he got what he wanted on day 1 and is either mafia going into lurk mode or is a disappointed townie because he helped get a blue lynched.
His defense of his actions during night 1 lend themselves to the latter.
annul - most likely scum.
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On January 01 2011 07:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Let's go over this real quick.
~snip~
Due to subsequent analysis done by soulfire and why I will be switching my vote to seraph. I'll also be voting double lynch so we can snag Mr. Zergling (who it seems like he has ghost writers for some of his posts as barunder pointed out) and any possible dt finds next day.
~snip~
How my posts are/sound depend on my various states of Sleep Deprivation/Caffeine content, not surprising I sound like a different person sometimes.
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Guys everyone lynch orgolove. I've been pressuring everyone but apparently it isn't enough, so it's time to say so in thread. He is the prime example of what we need to stop, and root out: the ones who lurk whilst not even contributing. Add to that he's way out of his normal playstyle, and its an obvious choice to both vote for(to pressure) AND even possibly lynch. But as for right now we need to start playing it more safe, and orgolove is that person.
Some of you are voting Mr. Zergling. I think he's town. He's playing entirely within his scummy playstyle, which means that as of now we can't just rely on his posts. Previous games come into effect, and even as part of a confirmed circle(hp mafia) he was just as inactive. As for right now the best move is to simply wait and watch mr. zergling.
Some of you are voting Seraph. I don't know if he's scum or not, but lynching him is not the best idea right now. Seraph has had over 40 posts, and most of them contributing. He's one of the few people left actually talking alot, which means that we can't fall into the trap of lynching each other cause they're the only one's with posts. Lynch the scummy ones, and they don't have to just be active.
Some of you are voting meepack. I'm unsure about him, but what I do know is that right now is not the best time to vote him. Right now we must root out the lurkers before they take out the actives. Personally I am on the edge about meepack, but that in itself means that we should think twice before just voting him.
Some of you are voting Mr. Wiggles. I vehemently disagree. He has no real reasons for being scum, and the only one that was said was that he was "wishy washY", but mr. wiggles has already explained that that was because I pressured him. And that I can confirm.
Again, I emphasize orgolove as a prime lynch. Anyone who's played with him before should see the drastic playstyle change that he has carried out thus far.
The town must unite under one flag, one flag to symbolize not just suspicion, but discussion and contribution. And that flag must not be hollow enough to let lurkers carry the town flag. The town must be strong, we must unite to lynch one person, and I say again that this will probably not be the final lynch, but there are those who lurk that we must root out, and I ask you to join me.
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Really now. I have obligations other than lurking in an online forum game thread during the first day of the year, you see. Do note that I've pointed out obvious scum tells in a way that did not drown out my point in a tsunami of spammy posts like what you've done in this thread.
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On January 01 2011 09:23 orgolove wrote:Really now. I have obligations other than lurking in an online forum game thread during the first day of the year, you see. Do note that I've pointed out obvious scum tells in a way that did not drown out my point in a tsunami of spammy posts like what you've done in this thread.
You also have obligations to post here, and you're playing WAY out of your playstyle, even regardless its the holidays.
Also, the holidays have been going on for a while, but you haven't been able to make one good post yet.
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On January 01 2011 09:25 Pandain wrote:
Also, the holidays have been going on for a while, but you haven't been able to make one good post yet.
O rly?
On December 31 2010 14:42 orgolove wrote:
And don't make the mistake of... I think it was XXXIV or something like that, where town only used one. With a game where mafia has this many KP, town needs to use the double lynch - The longer we wait the larger the breath of the reds will be.
We need the double lynch.
vs
On December 30 2010 02:15 Pandain wrote:
For the love of God I don't mean to only make a one liner but its Pandain, not Pandrain,Paindrain, or Paindan. On December 29 2010 14:17 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2010 13:43 Jackal58 wrote:On December 29 2010 13:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
lol i bet coag is playing on jackals account either that or they have nearly identical diction Coagulation has been no fucking help at all. You wanna know why we have nearly identical diction? I'll tell ya why. But sexual favors are required to unlock the secret. I'm drunk. I'm going to bed. LOL wtf Anyway i just played an hour long game O.O
Spam spam spam spam
All you've done this game is a) lead the bandwagon against LSB, directly causing the death of a veteran, and then diverting the town's attention to getting perceived "inactives" instead of actual scumhunting - a classic red tactic.
Time and again I point this out - scum hunting will do you far more good than looking at activity frequency patterns. After all, in games like these reds will have more invested in the game, and thus will be more likely to be active through a busy holiday season.
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On January 01 2011 09:32 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2011 09:25 Pandain wrote:
Also, the holidays have been going on for a while, but you haven't been able to make one good post yet. O rly? Show nested quote +On December 31 2010 14:42 orgolove wrote:
And don't make the mistake of... I think it was XXXIV or something like that, where town only used one. With a game where mafia has this many KP, town needs to use the double lynch - The longer we wait the larger the breath of the reds will be.
We need the double lynch. vs Show nested quote +On December 30 2010 02:15 Pandain wrote:
For the love of God I don't mean to only make a one liner but its Pandain, not Pandrain,Paindrain, or Paindan. Show nested quote +On December 29 2010 14:17 Pandain wrote:On December 29 2010 13:43 Jackal58 wrote:On December 29 2010 13:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
lol i bet coag is playing on jackals account either that or they have nearly identical diction Coagulation has been no fucking help at all. You wanna know why we have nearly identical diction? I'll tell ya why. But sexual favors are required to unlock the secret. I'm drunk. I'm going to bed. LOL wtf Anyway i just played an hour long game O.O Spam spam spam spam All you've done this game is a) lead the bandwagon against LSB, directly causing the death of a veteran, and then diverting the town's attention to getting perceived "inactives" instead of actual scumhunting - a classic red tactic. Time and again I point this out - scum hunting will do you far more good than looking at activity frequency patterns. After all, in games like these reds will have more invested in the game, and thus will be more likely to be active through a busy holiday season.
Your point about the red's is misleading. Yes they're likely to be watching, but that does not mean they're likely to be active. And indeed, throughout this entire thread you have shown that your watching, but haven't contributed. It's the holidays, we get it. That doesn't mean its okay to do what you do. And note that for me, it's the exception. Not for you.
And its not "activity frequency ptterns" its behavior analysis. It's the fact you are watching the thread yet not contributing, yet clearly have at least some time to be able to go through each of my posts to find that one "spam" to use. Why not use that to analyze someone, like the orgolove I know?
I wonder why...
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Also everyone should get on IRC ##bamboo palace so I can talk to people faster -.-
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EBWOP
##BambooPalace with no space
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Voting orgolove because 1) I'll be on the road tomorrow and dunno when I'll be back on after tonight. 2) If Pandain isn't lying, his point about playstyles is right, and 3) If he is lying, I'll leave that to someone else to point out  . Plus his defense was terrible. Quoting two of someone's posts and implying all they do is spam is a really poor logic.
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On January 01 2011 10:25 Pandain wrote:
Also everyone should get on IRC ##bamboo palace so I can talk to people faster -.-
Wow.
Opening an IRC channel in the main thread free for all the reds to view - really a great idea lol...
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On January 01 2011 13:04 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2011 10:25 Pandain wrote:
Also everyone should get on IRC ##bamboo palace so I can talk to people faster -.- Wow. Opening an IRC channel in the main thread free for all the reds to view - really a great idea lol...
? You serious? It's exactly the same as the main thread, except the "posts" will be shorter, and more frequent. Why are you against discussion?
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On January 01 2011 13:20 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2011 13:04 orgolove wrote:On January 01 2011 10:25 Pandain wrote:
Also everyone should get on IRC ##bamboo palace so I can talk to people faster -.- Wow. Opening an IRC channel in the main thread free for all the reds to view - really a great idea lol... ? You serious? It's exactly the same as the main thread, except the "posts" will be shorter, and more frequent. Why are you against discussion?
? You Serious? Exactly the same, huh. With confirmed username, 100% uneditable log, and no chance a red can sneak in without town's notice.
Huh. I see.
I wonder then why town circles go through the trouble of keeping an IP log with each ID upon logging on. Hmmm...
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paindrain, I am in your IRC channel but you are missing!
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On January 01 2011 09:32 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2011 09:25 Pandain wrote:
Also, the holidays have been going on for a while, but you haven't been able to make one good post yet. O rly? Show nested quote +On December 31 2010 14:42 orgolove wrote:
And don't make the mistake of... I think it was XXXIV or something like that, where town only used one. With a game where mafia has this many KP, town needs to use the double lynch - The longer we wait the larger the breath of the reds will be.
We need the double lynch. vs Show nested quote +On December 30 2010 02:15 Pandain wrote:
For the love of God I don't mean to only make a one liner but its Pandain, not Pandrain,Paindrain, or Paindan. Show nested quote +On December 29 2010 14:17 Pandain wrote:On December 29 2010 13:43 Jackal58 wrote:On December 29 2010 13:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
lol i bet coag is playing on jackals account either that or they have nearly identical diction Coagulation has been no fucking help at all. You wanna know why we have nearly identical diction? I'll tell ya why. But sexual favors are required to unlock the secret. I'm drunk. I'm going to bed. LOL wtf Anyway i just played an hour long game O.O Spam spam spam spam All you've done this game is a) lead the bandwagon against LSB, directly causing the death of a veteran, and then diverting the town's attention to getting perceived "inactives" instead of actual scumhunting - a classic red tactic. Time and again I point this out - scum hunting will do you far more good than looking at activity frequency patterns. After all, in games like these reds will have more invested in the game, and thus will be more likely to be active through a busy holiday season.
lol this is some of the most misleading shit I have ever read.
Pandain wasn't actively pushing the lynch. Pandain posted a couple of analysis's and posts have had substance. You however have posted dumb shit, like the lovely comment about an unpassworded IRC channel being a place where mafia can *GASP* read what we are saying, and how that is somehow not town orientated. Its not like pandain said this is where a town circle is gathering everyone please come in. He wanted a place to have quick conversations like through PMs but just faster.
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Your also beginning to look a lot like that mafia I pinned Day 1 in HP -_-
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