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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-29 03:56:54
December 29 2010 03:56 GMT
#632
I am just going to say it. Whoever is a mad hatter put a bomb on insanious tonight.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 29 2010 03:57 GMT
#633
Fuck I didn't mean to edit that, I meant to quote it. all I did was bold.

Anyway, I am dead serious. I will post the analysis tonight. But I am damn fucking sure.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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USA5860 Posts
December 29 2010 04:07 GMT
#639
I will post my analysis later tonight I have a friend coming over and am not completely caught up. Here is what it is in a nutshell. Exactly what you said. You seemed WAY too sure that LSB was town. The kind of certainty that only a mafia would have who is going to try to appear to be the only person who was being sane when the lynch came back wrong. On top of that you tried switching votes to Brocket because of some shitty "he was active in pokemafia" reasoning.

To follow that up, you also ignored my analysis on Seraph which would of given you a GOOD switch candidate. So let me get this strait, you don't want LSB/Annul to die and are so SURE they are innocent so you want to change vote to someone completely random as opposed to another analysis that was posted? It doesn't make sense unless you want to appear like you were looking out for the town but don't want to implicate the other mafia who heavy suspicion was thrown onto.

That is the gist of my argument. I have a very crude way to try to delegate hatter bombs. I would assume we have 2 Hatters, or 1 hatter 1 vigi. Very low chance of a 2-1 in either set up. If you are a hatter and you are on the FIRST half of the player list please place a bomb on Seraph. If you are a hatter and you are on the SECOND half of the player list please place a bomb on Insanious.

Ideally for this method of sorting to work I need to find a third candidate I deem worthy to bomb and split the list in thirds which severely reduces the risk of overlapping bombs.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 29 2010 04:09 GMT
#641
On December 29 2010 13:02 seRapH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2010 12:52 Jackal58 wrote:
You stupid fucks.

Show nested quote +
On December 28 2010 06:19 Jackal58 wrote:
##VOTE: LSB

??

And RoL explain why Insanious is scummy?

He actually implicated both of you! Lets hope you guys don't accidentally hit a mad hatter tonight!
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 29 2010 04:10 GMT
#642
See guys this is the kind of beautiful information you can't get from lynching an inactive!~
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 29 2010 04:26 GMT
#655
That was LSB's plan insanious. I will be honest, I didn't even read your post dismissing mine, but it doesn't matter. I know I am right and you are red.

Same with Seraph.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 29 2010 04:32 GMT
#657
On December 29 2010 13:18 Insanious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2010 13:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I will post my analysis later tonight I have a friend coming over and am not completely caught up. Here is what it is in a nutshell. Exactly what you said. You seemed WAY too sure that LSB was town. The kind of certainty that only a mafia would have who is going to try to appear to be the only person who was being sane when the lynch came back wrong.


I was NOT sure LSB was a town, and I posted that at least 4 times. What I was SURE of, was that lynching LSB now was a bad idea.

LSB is red, and we have a sure lynch on day 3

LSB is blue, and town is better off.

Lynching LSB now was the worst person to lynch... People didn't listen. Litterally LSB was a bad lynch now, and an amazing lynch on day 3 if he couldn't prove himself.

Show nested quote +
On top of that you tried switching votes to Brocket because of some shitty "he was active in pokemafia" reasoning.
Isn't basing lynching on previous actions > lynching on poor analysis. Brocket was a very active and aggressive player when he was town. Now he wasn't even posted like anything. He is acting super different, to me this means he is a different role.

Now also in Pokemafia, the mafia totally destroyed the town by being inactive. Posting like once and voting every day. This is how the mafia won in the game, and that is how I see Brocket playing this game so far.

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To follow that up, you also ignored my analysis on Seraph which would of given you a GOOD switch candidate.

I didn't want an active, experienced player to die this early... too bad that didn't work out. In Pokemafia we(town) killed ourselves by voting for active experienced players. Town lost that game because we had no one playing at the end. We need active experienced players playing the game.

Seraph hasn't posted that scummily yet, maybe he will show up more like scum later. But he sure is posting and that is better then the 15 players that are letting the mafia hide within them.

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So let me get this strait, you don't want LSB/Annul to die and are so SURE they are innocent so you want to change vote to someone completely random as opposed to another analysis that was posted? It doesn't make sense unless you want to appear like you were looking out for the town but don't want to implicate the other mafia who heavy suspicion was thrown onto.

Annul is green, look at the way he posted. How he went after LSB. This is just like a lot of other greens, they get vocal and voracious so that people listen to them and they can draw fire from the mafia. A mafia and a blue would be too scared to speak that much for fear of being hit in the night. He is a green.

LSB was 50/50 red or blue. I gave him the benefit of the doubt, because to me he was blue until night 2 where he was going to prove he was blue. If he didn't prove it, he was red, and no harm done. This means LSB was 100% either blue or red, with a 100% chance of dying if he was red on day 3. No reason to look at him anymore, move on.

This means we were looking at 2 terrible candidates and needed to look else where, how hard is that to see...

I decided to read your post actually. Its full of shit. You never dismissed points when it came to why we should lynch LSB, you mumbled some shit about statistically a 1/5 shot which is kind of funny since you shouldn't actually know if their are 6 mafia or not. Logically I would say 6 is a LIKELY number but its not a definite number. On top of that you didn't even dismiss my Seraph analysis. You just keep reiterating the same old shit that doesn't make sense. Let me read pokemafia tonight after my friend leaves and I will tell you why the town lost and I guarantee you it isn't because you killed the "active" people.

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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 29 2010 04:50 GMT
#662
On December 29 2010 13:43 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2010 13:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
lol i bet coag is playing on jackals account either that or they have nearly identical diction

Coagulation has been no fucking help at all.
You wanna know why we have nearly identical diction? I'll tell ya why.
But sexual favors are required to unlock the secret.
I'm drunk. I'm going to bed.

post of the game.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 29 2010 07:17 GMT
#674
I wonder if I make that strait =/= straight typo a lot.

hmmm.... I am going to go to sleep and rebuff everything tomorrow I don't have work so I have all day to waste away reading, and playing mafia.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 29 2010 17:14 GMT
#690
On December 29 2010 21:14 GeorgeClooney wrote:
I'm properly going to vote Paindrain when day begins, cause he won't make up his mind. I thought lynching ESB was a retarded move, he would have roleclaimed after, and for god sakes he was a Vet. He could of established a town circle, nor was he scummy after the other guy (forgot his name) decided to bit his ass and not let go.

Lets hope its not another blue lol.

By the way, I want to start a town circle. Ofcourse i'm not going to lead this, but I ain't mafia, and I want to win a game lol. Straight forward.

Anyone else for a town circle?

Is this post a mother fucking joke?

Pandrain
[b]E[b]SB

Desire to just create a town circle?

MAFIATROLL?
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 29 2010 17:16 GMT
#692
On December 30 2010 01:38 why wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2010 12:36 seRapH wrote:
Just finished catching up -_-'' didn't expect to be out all day.

I still don't see why LSB was scummy at all. I mean look at annul's "analysis":
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7419308
  1. Takes a bunch of meaningless jokes & spam and looks at them with serious face :|
  2. Basically tells us that talking about lynching inactives is anti-town. What?! So you'd rather have us ignore the inactivity problem altogether and lynch someone who's actually fighting it?
  3. So apparantly providing pure information is now scummy. How is this ANY worse than the numerous lurkers lying around? And at least his "information" is helping the newbies!

Seriously the whole inactive thing was just a talking point, and now I'm just thoroughly convinced that you're almost certainly a very closed-minded townie or scum. Hopefully the blue actions will yield something good so we won't have to waste a lynch on you though.

+ Show Spoiler +
Oh hey I just mentioned blues again, I'm probably blue/scum right?


Honestly, this post comes off as very scummy to me. Seraph doesn't show up all day after he is FoSed by RoL and then comes in 30 minutes after the lynch to berate everyone on how they messed up. It feels like he is trying to take credit for being against the LSB lynch when he actually he just wasn't a part of it either way. Also, he doesn't say who he would have voted for (evidently he wouldn't have supported a Brocket lynch given that the inactive thing was just a talking point).

I am hardly going to have to waste my time arguing for his lynch tomorrow. Its why I haven't put much effort into rebuffing Seraph/Insanious. I am not going to cover the thread in spam like LSB/Annul did. Its not how I roll~
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 29 2010 18:25 GMT
#695
I think Mr Wiggles will be my third suspect. although I need to actually go back and do an analysis.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 29 2010 21:44 GMT
#708
Alright I have a new idea for the hatters. I have decided on a third person upon talking with someone and I believe he is right. The three people we should put bombs on tonight should be Seraph, Insanious, and Annul.

The way I will organize this to avoid overlapping as much as possible is follows. If you are on the player list between 1-10 please place your bomb on Seraph, if you are 11-20 please place your bomb on Insanious, and if you are on the player list for 21-30 please place your bomb on Annul.

This is very important in case one of you gets hit tonight. I have very strong suspicions that these players are mafia. Annul's case upon reflection picked up steam faster than it should of even with LSB's odd defense and aggression. It could of just been a mafia pushing forward a bandwagon to get rid of a decent player in LSB, but we agreed it felt a little off even so.

So once again. When madhatters read this place your bombs accordingly. If you are in the player list between any of the following numbers place your bomb to the corresponding players.

1-10 place on Seraph
11-20 place on Insanious
21-30 place on Annul
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-29 21:49:44
December 29 2010 21:49 GMT
#709
On December 30 2010 06:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright I have a new idea for the hatters. I have decided on a third person upon talking with someone and I believe he is right. The three people we should put bombs on tonight should be Seraph, Insanious, and Annul.

The way I will organize this to avoid overlapping as much as possible is follows. If you are on the player list between 1-10 please place your bomb on Seraph, if you are 11-20 please place your bomb on Insanious, and if you are on the player list for 21-30 please place your bomb on Annul.

This is very important in case one of you gets hit tonight. I have very strong suspicions that these players are mafia. Annul's case upon reflection picked up steam faster than it should of even with LSB's odd defense and aggression. It could of just been a mafia pushing forward a bandwagon to get rid of a decent player in LSB, but we agreed it felt a little off even so.

So once again. When madhatters read this place your bombs accordingly. If you are in the player list between any of the following numbers place your bomb to the corresponding players.

1-10 place on Seraph
11-20 place on Insanious
21-30 place on Annul


To make sure this gets read.
+ Show Spoiler +
Edit was fixing tags, wasn't going to triple post -_-
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 29 2010 22:02 GMT
#711
Alright, so hatters ignore this tree hugger guy. On top of that I have justified my suspicions. But just for you I will do it again.

Seraph play is characterized by indecision and feigned activity. On top of that all he ever really talked about was pointless shit and kept trying to push stupid shit like lynching inactives. I have an analysis on him on Page 25 if you would like to read it.

Insanious during the hours before the lynch of LSB tried bandwagoning the shit out of brockit claiming he "knew" LSB was blue and how stupid we were being. The analysis on him although much shorter is a few pages back on 32 iirc. No one should EVER be so sure that someone is blue. On top of just being sure he NEVER gave a good reason to want to switch which leads me to believe his intention was never to actually switch the vote, but to make it APPEAR that he wanted to switch the vote away from someone who was blue. On top of that, even though he seriously didn't want to lynch LSB he ignored my Seraph analysis which if he used that might of switched the lynch away from LSB. I believe the reason he didn't use the Seraph analysis was because Seraph is his mafia buddy AND he had no true intention to divert the lynch. You can see similar play being used by me and Insane Mafia in regards to dealing with pandain. I actively pushed for pandains lynch but never hard enough to actually change anything. He just did it a lot more shitty.

When it comes to Annul, I was really trying to find another candidate who I could put up as a MH bomb because when I divide the player list by 3 instead of 2 it GREATLY reduces the chance of overlapping bombs. On top of that the way Annul got support is a little fishy, I need to do more analysis on it but it is still extremely strange. The bandwagon IMO should never have been so lopsided in favor of LSB even though I think LSB was suspicious, it is really hard to gather a following on a day 1 lynch UNLESS you are mafia. With that justification and an indepth analysis of Annul being very time consuming at the moment I would prefer to put a bomb on him while doing a further analysis later.

I hope that meets your approval for my justification.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 29 2010 22:10 GMT
#712
Also why shouldn't bomb placements be predictable? They aren't DT checks. We aren't going to get misleading results when one goes off. I sincerely doubt that on my list any more than one is town aligned, and the mafia have no idea who the bombs will end up on, and may have to second guess trying to blue snipe hatters if they are listening to my advice.

To further elaborate on Annul, the aggressive play Day 1 isn't entirely common, but I believe annul may be trying to establish a meta with it, I have talked with him on AIM and the more I think about it the more it makes sense. On top of that any check on Annul is extremely unreliable because of the framer role. If Annul REALLY isn't red he would most likely get framed tonight. If is red he can claim that he was most likely framed and can use WIFOM arguments to try to save himself which he most likely has the skill to pull off, especially with mafia support. The thing about Annul's LSB analysis is it can be applied to MOST players on Day 1, but that is not what made me suspicious of LSB. It was LSB's aggressive response that made me think he was most likely red, and on top of that claiming blue AND that he could prove his role by Night 2 was impossible based on the roles, and seemed like LSB was trying to weasel himself into living another day.

Now that I know LSB's plan it seemed like a dumb plan the town would of never followed through with. He figured he would get hit tonight, and if he didn't he would have the Vigi hit him night 2 to confirm his alignment. The problem with that is the mafia can easily fake him actually being "hit" tonight by simply double stacking one person and hitting another person. So LSB's plan was stupid, his defense was weak, and he got bandwagoned hard and his lynch seemed fine to be, but not as fine as most people made it out to be.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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USA5860 Posts
December 29 2010 22:15 GMT
#714
paindrain, I will say this one more time. Insanious never actually intended to stop the lynch. Its why his arguments were weak as fuck and didn't use any existing or original analysis on other players to switch the vote because it was never his intention.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 29 2010 22:17 GMT
#716
also paindrain I hate most of your list. Especially your assumed town players. Insanious is wrong and I wouldn't trust Deconduo but I haven't PMed him at all really. Opz/DrH I would keep an eye on.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 29 2010 22:25 GMT
#720
Doctor, what do you think about my above MH proposition? And I don't have any strong feeling on Why or Mr. Wiggles, and Ilovejonn I read as mafia in HP mafia (iirc) but he was not. If hes being quiet I would pin him as a blue role or mafia.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 30 2010 03:12 GMT
#739
alright everyone vote insanious or my previously outlined reasons.
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