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On December 28 2010 07:40 LSB wrote:

Indeed.

1/4 are basically the same thing. How about this. With a bit more explanation.

1) Makes posts that don't do much, but pretend to be contributing. Then congratulates himself of all the contributions that he did. This is a mafia manuver. See LMNOP in WaW mafia
2) Although Annul says inactives hurt the town, he has not done anything to attempt to deal with the problem. He has shot down all attempts at working together a solution without offering a reason, let alone an alternative. This is a decidedly anti-town maneuver, as leaving the inactives alone will lose us the game. See Pokemafia
3) Annul analysis is forced. This is incredibly telling. See my analysis on SR in TMM2, I was mafia and I made a forced junk analysis in order to try to take off heat.

On December 27 2010 11:50 Pandain wrote:
Hi guys its Pandain, the panda. Just thought to give my own thoughts to everyone on just some basic advice to both the new people and I guess anyone in general, on both some advice for roles as well as just advice in general on what to do today.

But first off I thought by making this post we could steer the town in a positive direction, towards more content oriented pots and less spam one liners. That has been a major problem in almost all games I’ve played in, and there are multiple reasons why it is specifically bad, but I’ll focus on the main two.

1.It makes vital/important information get lost in the spam One thing I personally am going to start doing and suggest others to follow(especially in the case of long posts) is to add a “summary” of what you’re trying to say in your post.

And the second reason, that spam leads to a “wild town”, that is, one that has really no direction and no order, leading to really just a non caring environment. The only way to win this game is through scum hunting, and scum hunting requires both posts to analyze and people that will analyze those posts. When posting, try not only to give your thoughts, but why as well. Spend those extra crucial minutes to think out your post, to make it better. Remember, being active does not mean spamming everywhere. I prize one well thought out post over 10 spammy posts.

ADVICE ON ROLES

Townie- some people don’t like townie, I love it! What’s special about a townie is that really your goal is to take up mafia hits. You want to be so active, and pro town, that mafia have to waste a hit on you. Basically try to act like a blue, but also be active, because dying isn’t bad!

DT- Check people you find suspicious. Those can either be those who fit the category of “contributing without contributing” (people who post just to get by/people who seem to post a lot but don’t really have any real content) or suspicious people in general. If you find a red, don’t claim. Instead, either claim to another person who’s confirmed(post day 1 obviously then) or just make an analysis on him and get him lynched. If you find a green, then keep that in mind. There is a godfather so keep that in mind before you think about claiming, since that’s what happened in another game with south rawrea being a “confirmed blue” but was really godfather. Basically, just don’t claim anytime soon.

Medic-Protect those you think are blue or those who are actively contributing.
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Vigi- I still think this should really be a town decision who to shoot. There are so many times when town is going to need that extra certain kp in situations in the future, in addition to the fact that most likely you will shoot a town. Only shoot if we tell you too, or(and I’m being very cautious on this) you just know
Mad Hatter- Lay bombs on people you think are red’s, pretty easy.

Veteran - Same as townie. Be as active as possible(no spam!), your goal IS to get shot.

WHAT TO DO FOR TODAY
I say to do this ery day, I say to do this now. Town should lynch inactives. This is actually a somewhat complicated process. Right now in the beginning I will just begin voting people(pressuring) until they make enough of a meaningful post and then I’ll vote someone else. Now, the point is to lynch those who “contribute without really contributing” not those who are just going to get modkilled. That is why at the end it’ll end up being one of the “semi lurkers”, not the dead ones.
SUMMARY
1.Contribute without spamming
2.Be active, make well thought out posts.
3.Lynch the semi inactives, inactives for now.

On December 27 2010 12:59 Pandain wrote:
When I say to vote inactives, I mean to vote those who “contribute without really contributing”, which usually fall under the category of inactives, but not always. Mr wiggles so forth has not been really contributing, and until most recently I was not satisfied with his posts, which were all spam. I am satisfied(at the moment) with Mr. Wiggles however, and will go forth with voting another person(Jackal.) However, I would still like to see you, Mr. Wiggles, striving to make long, well thought out posts.

But most curious of all is the sudden bandwagon on me. RoL and Coag I can explain off to jokes, but then Mr. Wiggles and treehugger voting me is quite curious. May both of you explain your votes?

Summary
1.Mr. Wiggles had not contributed well, which is why I voted him.

On December 27 2010 13:41 Pandain wrote:
First off, let's try to keep non related things to a mininum? LSB you can PM mango, you're sort of ruining my whole "not spam" agenda :/.



I really should have clarified this. When I say we are lynching inactives, we are not just lynching inactives, we are really lynching people who "contribute without really contributing." As in, we're trying to pressure people who don't talk so that people will talk. Basically, if someone hasn't made a meaningful post, I'm going to vote for them. I'm picking them somewhat at random, but really we should all decide on one(and then another, and so forth like I'm doing) so that the pressure is really there.


This would make sense however there is more than one reason to start voting now. By starting out with the "be active or die" stance people are encouraged to post from the start. The main problem with day 1 is the lack of information, and sometimes day 2 happens and since no one posted, we're basically at the same state as day 2. Votes serve a double purpose right now: they generate discussion and they get people to post meaningful content.

On December 28 2010 04:49 Pandain wrote:
Okay seems like roughly 8 people have voted for me. I find that slightly disturbing and random but okay, I will defend myself? I wasn't even sure what to defend myself about but lets go forward.

But first, I'd like to congragulate everyone and helping keep this thread so far much better than others, with long posts and everything.

Fadoodle yeah!

But going forward, I still see no reason to vote me. So far I have been doing what I do every game, that is, getting town in a postive way forward with content oriented posts. What I'm doing actually isn't so much getting more analysis(although it is), its encouraging an atmosphere of contribution and thought.
      I voted Mr. Wiggles because he hadn't really been contributing, he had just been spamming. But lately he has actively been contributing with long well thought out posts. Mission accomplished.
       I voted Jackal for the same reason, but actually am inclined now to vote for someone else with his excuse, but will actively be pressuring him in PM land to contribute more so. Jackal, that's why your being voted. Contribute more and I'll lay off you.

But as I was reading, Lunar destiny was right. What if they're just afk? Then we could just spend a whole day voting osmeone but they won't even read the thread to be able to respond! Which is partly why I'm unvoting jackal as of now. I will be looking for someone else to vote.

       You guys are voting me. I urge you to help me in getting this town on the right track. Too many times town ends up in day 2 with nothing more than like 10 one line posts over the course of day 1, because there was just too much spam/not real discussion. So far I've been pleased with how this has been going so far. But just want to now start talking about what's currently been happening.

1.I do not think we should vote LSB. Plainly, he has been contributing alot so far, more than most of the people already. Plainly, if he is mafia, then we'll most likely catch him anyway. We should not be lynching actives, even if we have a slight suspicion that he's mafia. Obviously if we have a good inkling I suppose we should go for it(as in team melee mafia 2 incog fingered lsb day 1) but right now there's really nothing on LSB, and I wouldn't want to lynch an expierenced player. Plus there are some problems with your analysis, but I'll just name a few.
       1. If you are hit, then u should claim. LSB was right. Becuase mafia can't tell if ur vet or just protected or what.
       2.You're mistaking jokes for real content. (aka when lsb said coag got banned so dr. h could join)
       3.The only real suspicious thing about him is his somewhat spammy nature.
The most important of which being number 3, but that is certainly not a reason to lynch him when he's already contributed alot.

As for the DT checks, that's more appropiate for talk during the night(less time for mafia to manipualte) but we can talk about it now. Personally I'm leaning towards checking people who "contribute without contributing." Don't just check the inactives, they're most likely bored townies. Don't just check big name players, most likely they're going to be framed/picked godfather. We should pick those who seem to be pro town, but fail to actually contribute. Obviously this can change. If you really have a good read on someone, check them But that's just some advice.