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On December 28 2010 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I'm just not sure what we're supposed to ask you guys, really. Do you have any examples of questions we could pose, things we could discuss?
If you have any questions about ideas your having, or if you have a huuuuge analysis post you want us to read to see if its informative, etc...
We can advise and overall give a bit of our own experience to you guys so that you have either a better idea of what you should be doing, or helping you organize your thoughts more clearly.
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I also forgot helping people follow general trends and discussing the players' role in the game". Because right now, it seems like a lot of people don't know what to do as well. Remember we have done this many times before!
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On December 28 2010 10:15 Jackal58 wrote:
My vote for LSB is more of a place holder atm than an out right condemnation.
I'm actually wondering why The Mango hasn't been thoroughly grilled.
So without further ado.
Mango man where are you?
Did you get a list of your scum buddies yet?
Inquiring minds want to know.
A quick question as well - What do the following stand for?
RNG?
FOS - Full of shit?
PBPA?
I'm a bit hesitant to ask because I was immediately labeled a smurf in the HP game and got offed on the first night.
I've replied to questions in this thread and in PM. I think you need to go back and check my posts in this thread. Also, what is there to grill me about? if you have any questions you want to ask, go ahead.
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On December 28 2010 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I'm just not sure what we're supposed to ask you guys, really. Do you have any examples of questions we could pose, things we could discuss?
Yeah, and honestly if you don't know what to ask, just PM us and say "hi can you help me?" or something simple, just to start the conversation. We'll get the ball rolling if you don't know what to ask right away.
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I'll be afk for a good bit of time because I'll be flying back the NA from Asia so I'll do some of my noobie analysis (first game woot!) here for the time being.
While the debate between annul and LSB is interesting and they both have quite a few scum posts, I'd go so far as to say that their debate is very non-argumentative. At times in their debate it seems as though they're really arguing about nothing since the debate jumped from whether or not voting inactives was the proper move to do on Day 1. They both more or less agree. Then the debate goes into DT strategy. Again, it still all seems very non-argumentative as at this point in the game, DT strat is pretty pointless as checks will all be more or less random and luck-based. TBH all it really seems like to me is just a bunch of dancing. Granted, it stimulates discussion straight off the bat, but I really don't believe it merits enough to vote for them. As such, I'm going to change my vote to one of the inactives who have yet to post.
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My vote has gone to LSB, as his responses to annul's analysis have been weak. However, from HP mafia, LSB seems to always act somewhat scummy (which is why he got lynched last game). Also deconduo's analysis gives some convincing reasons to lynch LSB (for instance: that recommending abstaining from voting is not a pro-town suggestion (also abstaining is against the rules))
Although, no day 1 lynch is ever clear, more of a shot in the dark than anything
(((I love parenthesis)))
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Let's refocus on inactives.
There are two lurkers/inactives that have voted so far.
6. TheMango- I consider him a lurker as he hasn't offered insight on anything.
30. ~OpZ~- Hasn't done much in thread. He has PMed me, but I don't know if he is actually active.
If why/Brocket/GeorgeClooney gets around to voting/posting, we could switch the lynch. But currently we should push to lynch the people who actually aren't in danger of being modkilled.
People probably with say that I have a conflict of interest with TheMango since he voted for me. So I'm find with voting off ~OpZ~
On December 28 2010 11:41 LSB wrote:
##unvote
##vote ~OpZ~
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Hi everyone, just got off from work and caught up with the thread.
It seems to me that the annul vs. LSB debate is distracting from the issue at hand, hunting inactives. This is clearly the way to avoid an apathetic town.
The list that LunarDestiny suggested isn’t the best idea. If there are 10 people on the list, then no one will feel pressured to respond unless everyone else on the list is responding. They will just be lurking amongst the people on the list who aren’t responding on the list.
The best way to pressure inactives is to vote for them and actually intend to lynch them unless they contribute something useful.
As such, I'm going to pick someone that hasn't posted yet and put my vote on them. If they come to the thread and contribute then I'll move my vote off them. My pick is GeorgeClooney.
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On December 28 2010 11:52 why wrote:
Hi everyone, just got off from work and caught up with the thread.
It seems to me that the annul vs. LSB debate is distracting from the issue at hand, hunting inactives. This is clearly the way to avoid an apathetic town.
The list that LunarDestiny suggested isn’t the best idea. If there are 10 people on the list, then no one will feel pressured to respond unless everyone else on the list is responding. They will just be lurking amongst the people on the list who aren’t responding on the list.
The best way to pressure inactives is to vote for them and actually intend to lynch them unless they contribute something useful.
As such, I'm going to pick someone that hasn't posted yet and put my vote on them. If they come to the thread and contribute then I'll move my vote off them. My pick is GeorgeClooney.
I like that you're going to help us with this inactive thing, but we shouldn't be lynching someone who's about to get modkilled for not showing up.
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On December 28 2010 11:42 LSB wrote:Let's refocus on inactives. There are two lurkers/inactives that have voted so far. 6. TheMango- I consider him a lurker as he hasn't offered insight on anything. 30. ~OpZ~- Hasn't done much in thread. He has PMed me, but I don't know if he is actually active. If why/Brocket/GeorgeClooney gets around to voting/posting, we could switch the lynch. But currently we should push to lynch the people who actually aren't in danger of being modkilled. People probably with say that I have a conflict of interest with TheMango since he voted for me. So I'm find with voting off ~OpZ~
Lol, you posted exactly what I did. I didn't think about the modkill angle, and I'm going to move my vote to Opz so as to actually pressure someone instead of splintering the vote.
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On December 28 2010 11:39 Mr.Zergling wrote:
However, from HP mafia, LSB seems to always act somewhat scummy (which is why he got lynched last game).
he acted scummy in HP because he was scum in HP
hes acting scummy now
logic twin powers activate?
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Oh wait I totally forgot this was a boot camp game. Definitely gonna ask some neato questions... in the morning~!
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why's opinion on voting for inactives is the same. Therefore I will vote ~Opz~ to actually have him be pressured instead of splitting the votes up because no one would care about having 1 vote on them. My decision will change based upon what they post.
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why's opinion on voting for inactives is the same as mine. Therefore I will vote ~Opz~ to actually have him be pressured instead of splitting the votes up because no one would care about having 1 vote on them. My decision will change based upon what they post.
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On December 28 2010 11:42 LSB wrote:Let's refocus on inactives. There are two lurkers/inactives that have voted so far. 6. TheMango- I consider him a lurker as he hasn't offered insight on anything. 30. ~OpZ~- Hasn't done much in thread. He has PMed me, but I don't know if he is actually active. If why/Brocket/GeorgeClooney gets around to voting/posting, we could switch the lynch. But currently we should push to lynch the people who actually aren't in danger of being modkilled. People probably with say that I have a conflict of interest with TheMango since he voted for me. So I'm find with voting off ~OpZ~
I hardly feel that focusing on inactives, especially on Day 1, is a good idea at this point. I highly doubt mafia will be inactive on day 1, exactly to deflect the kind of suspicions you are raising. It's much more likely, probability wise, for there to be mafia among the people who already posted, compared to the inactives. hell, I know I'd be more inclined to post and make time during the holidays if I was red 0.0
I'm getting really suspicious of the people who keep trying to refocus the town on lynching inactives instead of HUNTING REDS. i.e. why, LSB, ilovejonn. I'm especially looking at LSB right now, given his past track record and his current behavioral patterns.
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Voting for inactives is purely my stand on the view alone. I am not asking town to vote with me at all (unlike LSB). And I have clearly stated that unless I, like you said, can find a good post to analyze (which I cannot at this point) which gives off a solid scum tell, I will vote for an inactive instead of an active poster that can give us more information the longer they have a chance to post. Voting for the inactive is just to pressure them to at least post something of content, hopefully making them slip-up if they are red.
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I say we reverse it and get inactives later. Lets kill whoever is the most outspoken when there is really not much to be outspoken about.
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On December 28 2010 10:15 Jackal58 wrote:
I'm a bit hesitant to ask because I was immediately labeled a smurf in the HP game and got offed on the first night.
Yeah my bad. I was bus driver and redirected a mafia kill to you. You died to save a detective, though!
LSB's advice in this game has been very similar to his posts in the pokemafia game where he was town, but he's gotten into an argument here which he carefully avoided in that game. I know he gave a reason for that already, but I think that it's not a good enough reason for this whole drawn-out argument. I'm not ready to vote for him, but it's worth noting. I don't know why annul is so focused on him. It was good to bring his spamminess to everyone's attention so he would be under the town's focus and forced to post more constructively, but it's not good to be tunnel-visioning him already.
If this argument gets too much focus then everyone else will fly under the radar.
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i tend to tunnel, its my flaw 
but if i think someone is a red im gonna push them until i find another and/or the counterwagon is sufficiently convincing
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On December 28 2010 12:53 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2010 11:42 LSB wrote:Let's refocus on inactives. There are two lurkers/inactives that have voted so far. 6. TheMango- I consider him a lurker as he hasn't offered insight on anything. 30. ~OpZ~- Hasn't done much in thread. He has PMed me, but I don't know if he is actually active. If why/Brocket/GeorgeClooney gets around to voting/posting, we could switch the lynch. But currently we should push to lynch the people who actually aren't in danger of being modkilled. People probably with say that I have a conflict of interest with TheMango since he voted for me. So I'm find with voting off ~OpZ~ On December 28 2010 11:41 LSB wrote:
##unvote
##vote ~OpZ~ I hardly feel that focusing on inactives, especially on Day 1, is a good idea at this point. I highly doubt mafia will be inactive on day 1, exactly to deflect the kind of suspicions you are raising. It's much more likely, probability wise, for there to be mafia among the people who already posted, compared to the inactives. hell, I know I'd be more inclined to post and make time during the holidays if I was red 0.0 I'm getting really suspicious of the people who keep trying to refocus the town on lynching inactives instead of HUNTING REDS. i.e. why, LSB, ilovejonn. I'm especially looking at LSB right now, given his past track record and his current behavioral patterns.
Part of the purpose of Day 1 is to foster a good town environment. One of the major ways a town environment can be bad is to have too much inactivity, as then there are tons of people who can just slip under the radar and it becomes a RNG as to picking the mafia out of them. If we set a precedent early for strongly suspecting and lynching inactives, then people are more likely to post and we'll have a better town environment. Of course, if there's a good case against someone, then we should by all means lynch them.
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