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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On April 13 2011 03:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: What if we can't get a subfolder though? I think voting would be a fine alternative solution. Maybe like iGrok said, we could just have polls for themed games and just have a "first come first serve" basis for the normal games. I'm not even sure a subfolder is possible. I guess we could get flamewheel to talk to someone about making it happen, but I'm not optimistic on that front. I think DrH's version with a few alterations could work. People post game ideas constantly. There is a poll where people can vote on the next game they would like to see. When a game ends, the #1 game on the poll gets to start and the person managing the thread resets the poll with all proposed games. Then the players can vote on that poll while that game plays out. We would probably need 3 polls (mini, theme, normal). Potential problems: 1. There is a large wait time between posting interest in hosting a game and that game actually starting. I'm not necessarily convinced this is a bad thing. It forces the host to think about their setup more and hopefully we can avoid flawed setups. 2. There is no provision for running multiple games at the same time I guess we could have the runner up in the poll go next? Not sure about this one. 3. This could potentially turn into a popularity contest where only certain people get to host. This is probably the biggest problem that I see. I think hosting is a valuable experience and such a system would deny that experience to a lot of people. On the one hand, these hosts are popular because they are experienced/good. On the other hand, it makes hosting a lot more elitist. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 13 2011 04:12 Qatol wrote: I'm not even sure a subfolder is possible. I guess we could get flamewheel to talk to someone about making it happen, but I'm not optimistic on that front. I think DrH's version with a few alterations could work. People post game ideas constantly. There is a poll where people can vote on the next game they would like to see. When a game ends, the #1 game on the poll gets to start and the person managing the thread resets the poll with all proposed games. Then the players can vote on that poll while that game plays out. We would probably need 3 polls (mini, theme, normal). Potential problems: 1. There is a large wait time between posting interest in hosting a game and that game actually starting. I'm not necessarily convinced this is a bad thing. It forces the host to think about their setup more and hopefully we can avoid flawed setups. 2. There is no provision for running multiple games at the same time I guess we could have the runner up in the poll go next? Not sure about this one. 3. This could potentially turn into a popularity contest where only certain people get to host. This is probably the biggest problem that I see. I think hosting is a valuable experience and such a system would deny that experience to a lot of people. On the one hand, these hosts are popular because they are experienced/good. On the other hand, it makes hosting a lot more elitist. I think people will likely vote for whatever set-up they like most. If you have 5 normal games lets say: No PM/No Election/No Clues - Hosted by Incognito PM/No Election/Clues - Hosted by DrH PM/Election/No Clues - Hosted by Jackal58 No PM/Election/Clues - Hosted by flamewheel PM/Election/Clues - Hosted by Barundar I think people will just vote for whatever set-up they like more. You could also put in a rule like no mirror set-ups twice in a row so you don't get the exact same game every single time. I don't think elitism will be a huge problem. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On April 13 2011 04:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think people will likely vote for whatever set-up they like most. If you have 5 normal games lets say: No PM/No Election/No Clues - Hosted by Incognito PM/No Election/Clues - Hosted by DrH PM/Election/No Clues - Hosted by Jackal58 No PM/Election/Clues - Hosted by flamewheel PM/Election/Clues - Hosted by Barundar I think people will just vote for whatever set-up they like more. You could also put in a rule like no mirror set-ups twice in a row so you don't get the exact same game every single time. I don't think elitism will be a huge problem. I'm not convinced that the host themselves are not a factor as well. For example, imagine your favorite setup in the world. It has the perfect size, all of your favorite roles, and none of the roles that you hate seeing around. But it's hosted by Bill Murray. Do you play? Or do you pick another setup? I know I at least consider who the host is before I decide to play in a game. I would be surprised if nobody else does. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
I'd play in a BM game if I really loved the setup. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 13 2011 04:12 Qatol wrote: 3. This could potentially turn into a popularity contest where only certain people get to host. This is probably the biggest problem that I see. I think hosting is a valuable experience and such a system would deny that experience to a lot of people. On the one hand, these hosts are popular because they are experienced/good. On the other hand, it makes hosting a lot more elitist. For sure we can implement some type of hosting limit to give everyone at least a chance at hosting. Say Incognito just hosted a game. Now he has to wait 1 month before he can put another game on the market. Not perfect, but somewhat allows for a diversity of hosts and so LSB isn't hosting a game every week =P | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On April 13 2011 04:12 Qatol wrote: I'm not even sure a subfolder is possible. I guess we could get flamewheel to talk to someone about making it happen, but I'm not optimistic on that front. I think DrH's version with a few alterations could work. People post game ideas constantly. There is a poll where people can vote on the next game they would like to see. When a game ends, the #1 game on the poll gets to start and the person managing the thread resets the poll with all proposed games. Then the players can vote on that poll while that game plays out. We would probably need 3 polls (mini, theme, normal). Potential problems: 1. There is a large wait time between posting interest in hosting a game and that game actually starting. I'm not necessarily convinced this is a bad thing. It forces the host to think about their setup more and hopefully we can avoid flawed setups. 2. There is no provision for running multiple games at the same time I guess we could have the runner up in the poll go next? Not sure about this one. 3. This could potentially turn into a popularity contest where only certain people get to host. This is probably the biggest problem that I see. I think hosting is a valuable experience and such a system would deny that experience to a lot of people. On the one hand, these hosts are popular because they are experienced/good. On the other hand, it makes hosting a lot more elitist. 1. Well yes, besides the problems I listed earlier, large wait times could occur. Not too big a deal I think as long as games are being run at all times. The long waits could make the polls inaccurate, but if we're using the poll system, I guess we can't use it as a signup thread. It can just work as a general indicator rather than a full package system for getting games up and running. Hosts can make game threads later. 2. Why do we want to host multiple games at the same time? Unless our player base is large enough that two games can be run without player overlap in both games, I don't see this as an issue. 3. Its not all that much like a popularity contest. The setup needs to be popular too. As long as people come up with inspired setups it shouldn't be too prohibiting. On April 13 2011 04:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think people will likely vote for whatever set-up they like most. If you have 5 normal games lets say: No PM/No Election/No Clues - Hosted by Incognito PM/No Election/Clues - Hosted by DrH PM/Election/No Clues - Hosted by Jackal58 No PM/Election/Clues - Hosted by flamewheel PM/Election/Clues - Hosted by Barundar I think people will just vote for whatever set-up they like more. You could also put in a rule like no mirror set-ups twice in a row so you don't get the exact same game every single time. I don't think elitism will be a huge problem. In normal games, it doesn't matter as much who is hosting the game. I guess we could just have a poll with setup options like you have up there, with the options being (yes or no) PMs, elections, clues, third parties. I'd say just let whoever wants to host the normal game host. As long as the host isn't Bill Murray or some other extreme example, it shouldn't be too much of a problem. Hosts are far less of a wild card factor in normal than themed games. In response to Qatol's comment, host matters, and so does the player composition. Polls can't really capture that information completely, but I think its still better than the current queue system. If a subfolder won't work and we have to resort to polls, we should probably make a separate poll for each game. That way people can cast votes approving multiple setups. If there are 3 setups you like and 1 you don't, you shouldn't be only allowed to vote for one of those. The biggest question besides this is: how do we deal with player questions directed at hosts when there are 10~ setups floating around in the thread? Would get chaotic. We don't want to clutter the forum with excess threads for questions directed to the host, but with with multiple games floating around in one thread it could get chaotic. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On April 15 2011 01:23 Zorkmid wrote: Just a suggestion, but this thread should be stickied. We don't sticky because only 5 threads show up in the forum index at a time. Any stickied thread which has been bumped in the last 2 months will automatically be one of those 5 threads. We want to leave as much space for the currently running games and voting threads to show up in the forum index as possible. Besides, this thread gets bumped pretty consistently anyways. It isn't like it's hard to find. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
Have there been any recently? | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 18 2011 07:15 Forumite wrote: Recruiter games, how do they usually work? Multi-lynches and vigilantes for a total of 2+ townkillings each turn and one more recruited to the bad side each day? Have there been any recently? I'm not sure I know what you mean, can you be more specific? | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On April 18 2011 07:15 Forumite wrote: Recruiter games, how do they usually work? Multi-lynches and vigilantes for a total of 2+ townkillings each turn and one more recruited to the bad side each day? Have there been any recently? Recruiter (Conversion) games generally don't work. At least here on TL. In the last recruiting game the mafia started off with one player and got to recruit 1 extra player each night. There are usually no multi-lynches (double lynch), and blue numbers are not increased to compensate. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
[M] Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia I is over. I'd like to add [M] Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia II to the cue, it will be another really basic setup. I'm toying with making it a non-information role setup to put extra emphasis on analysis and scumhunting as opposed to blue roles. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 25 2011 18:55 Forumite wrote: Is there another game starting soon? Maybe. There's nobody to host a normal game at the moment. What I am going to do right now is PM all the hosts of the games on the themed list and ask if they still want to host their game. If someone does then they will be hosting their game (and if multiple people want to then who is ever higher will go first). If these people are not able to host I'm taking them off the queue. I have already asked 3 of those hosts if they were able to host (a few weeks ago) and none of them were able to. I'll post an update once I get more information from who wants to host. Similarily, if someone wants to host a normal game now's a good time to speak up! | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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Node
United States2159 Posts
(I didn't know where else to put this post >.>) | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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Ver
United States2186 Posts
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