EPTBC and RoL: Salem Mafia
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On November 12 2010 11:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The voting cycle will be the TL standard 48 hour days, 24 hour nights. The cycles will end/begin at 11 PM EDT (8 PM PDT) (12 AM the next day KST). On November 12 2010 11:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The official time that cycles will begin/end at is MIDNIGHT EDT. Would the mods mind clarifying this? As Protactinium stated in the post above, don't let yourself get modkilled. A dead townie is even worse than an inactive townie. If you think there might be even a slight chance you won't be able to get your vote in, than put in a placeholder vote. When you forget to vote because you have other things going on, you are ruining the game for others. Unless you are a witch of course, then we don't mind. | ||
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He makes a good point. We should lynch DoctorHelvetica due to his non-celebrity status. | ||
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On November 27 2010 07:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: well i'm already in contact with a blue role so i'm still thinking about how to make this work. there is really no 100% foolproof safe way and in reality you want to get mafia in on the PM circle so that you can trap them easier the best thing is that only one person will know peoples roles and if I'm telling people about what others are saying I'll refer to them only as "the medic" "the DT" etc. Am I the only one puzzled with the fact that a medic role claimed blindly to DrH without knowing his alignment? | ||
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On November 27 2010 05:41 SouthRawrea wrote: I encourage people to reread their roles and ask about changes because I've noticed and asked (a) change(s) regarding certain role(s). I will not post the one(s) I've found to avoid revealing my role in the case where the information I've obtained is only available to the person with the role. Ya it looks like the mods might have copied/pasted without modifying the entire role for Salem. We really shouldn't put up with their laziness. Also, it might be beneficial to post if anyone has pm'd you fishing for role claims, as it would make sense for a mafia to try, now that DrH has posted a medic was so willing to give it up. | ||
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On November 27 2010 12:18 ghrur wrote: God, the fact that Dr. H has been claimed to already is so screwed up. >_< I'd suggest checking him, but if he's mafia, then obviously he's going to become Elder. But then again, it'd be SO dangerous to have mafia just control a blue role for their own protection to be killed at their leisure. I say DT should still check him (no risk of suicide bomber), but even if he comes out green/blue, be wary. Be SURE to analyze his posts. I think that would be a waste of a dt check. As one of the few veteran players in this game, odds are he is going to take a hit early on. Dt checking someone that is either likely Elder or soon to be dead would only slow the development of the circle. On November 27 2010 12:18 ghrur wrote: *sidenote* as for lynching, I think we should pressure Pandain. He's usually a very active player, and he's inactive right now. I get black friday, but Pandain hasn't made a useful post since the game started. Also, it's been shown that he cracks under pressure as mafia.  Beneficial results? I think so! ^_^The lynch is going to come up on us fast so we really should start talking about individual targets. Realistically, we have a couple of hours tonight and then about 6 hours tomorrow in the late afternoon/early evening, as the thread will probably die during the morning hours. Leaving this decision to the last few hours would present a much easier opportunity for mafia influence. With only 5 pages in 24 hours things really need to get moving. | ||
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On November 27 2010 12:46 DarthThienAn wrote: I has solution to all that has been said in the last few posts... See the voting thread for details. And how is that a solution? Either you see something that I don't or you are starting an incredibly weak bandwagon. On November 27 2010 12:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm not going to reveal every single PM I get, but it's getting ridiculous that I'm being twisted as scum just because another player chose to roleclaim to me without prompt. If someone can explain how the medic claim is a good mafia play and how it will ruin us/hurt the town circle then that's fine. Don't forget your anti-spam promise from Insane. No need to reply to every single random attack if they are unwarranted. : ) | ||
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On November 27 2010 13:04 ghrur wrote: Which is exactly why I think we should pressure Pandain atm. We need to get people posting, and fast. We should also coordinate our pressure because everyone "pressuring" 1 person doesn't really apply pressure. Also, I know Pandain can be an asset to town if he became active. I just want him to get there faster. That aside, what're your views on who we should lynch day1? I wouldn't mind hearing what Mr. Panda has to say either. Or anyone that has yet to post for that matter. I would be more suspicious of DarthThienAn for suggesting a candidate without strong back-up, but that is essentially what we are asking for with a day 1 lynch suggestion. | ||
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On November 27 2010 13:23 annul wrote: harry potter stuff is all you ever need, this is SALEM mafia, we are all magical people here ok produce your wand, yo. We are all magical people? Or is it just you and your witch buddies that have magic? Burn him at the stake I say! P.S. My wand's bigger than yours. | ||
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On November 27 2010 13:40 flamewheel wrote: Okay this game is seriously getting too spammy. Opps, sorry, but if this is too spammy then the others must be nightmares. >.< Posts in the first 24 hours: Haunted Mafia: 545 Insane Mafia: 383 Salem Mafia: 86 | ||
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On November 27 2010 14:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I was sent this earlier by protactinium There isn't a traitor in this game for one. Is he trying to catch me off guard and make me say something like "oh no i'm not the traitor I'm the X"? Weird, but I assume this is the traitor role he is referring to: Chaos Ensuant You are a townie who is tired of the injustice towards the witches. You have no abilities but you want the witches to exterminate the town. You do not know who the witches are, and the witches do not know who you are. You do not affect the Mafia's KP. If the witches win the game, you win as well. You show up as Towny for all Rolechecks. You count towards the mafia # for outnumbering town. On November 27 2010 14:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm assuming we is him and Flamewheel. This PM caught me off guard a bit since I was never accused of making things up and I'd like to know what exactly he thinks I'm lying about. Err I thought all boot-camp analysis would occur post game, unless they said they were working together as a team? | ||
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Guess we will just have to prove our worth and scumhunt with the disadvantage. (Although I'm also in favor of a RNG green if it matters) | ||
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On November 27 2010 12:18 ghrur wrote: God, the fact that Dr. H has been claimed to already is so screwed up. >_< I'd suggest checking him, but if he's mafia, then obviously he's going to become Elder. But then again, it'd be SO dangerous to have mafia just control a blue role for their own protection to be killed at their leisure. I say DT should still check him (no risk of suicide bomber), but even if he comes out green/blue, be wary. Be SURE to analyze his posts. Suggests a DT should check DrH. Although this may be an attempt to discredit DrH, a day one dt request from mafia doesn't help his elder suspicions. On November 27 2010 12:18 ghrur wrote: *sidenote* as for lynching, I think we should pressure Pandain. He's usually a very active player, and he's inactive right now. I get black friday, but Pandain hasn't made a useful post since the game started. Also, it's been shown that he cracks under pressure as mafia. Beneficial results? I think so! ^_^On November 27 2010 13:04 ghrur wrote: Which is exactly why I think we should pressure Pandain atm. We need to get people posting, and fast. We should also coordinate our pressure because everyone "pressuring" 1 person doesn't really apply pressure. Also, I know Pandain can be an asset to town if he became active. I just want him to get there faster. On November 27 2010 13:26 ghrur wrote: Vote Pandain! That goes for you too jimbo and annul. Vote until he talks! + Show Spoiler + I want yum yums in this thread )=< Introduces Pandain as a lynch candidate when no other candidate was available. At a time where everyone is looking for a bandwagon to jump on, it would be a risky move to nominate a fellow mafia. On November 28 2010 07:00 annul wrote: drh PMed me before day post even came up... + Show Spoiler + From: DoctorHelvetica [ 9498 posts | Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: sup witch buddy Date: 11/26/10 12:13 and by everybody i mean like 5 people becuase im too lazy to pm everyone ghrur is dumb and thinks i am actually mafia who didn't get the pm with my teammates SIGH ----------------------------------------- Original Message From annul: what? if youre claiming witch then i think you just broke the game, cuz i did not get sent a witch role =\ ----------------------------------------- Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: lol so who else in our team? On November 30 2010 04:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Again, it is very important if ghrur pm'd you anything that you reveal it. Err so it looks like you have some pm's from ghrur too. Do you plan to reveal them like you are calling for? On November 28 2010 09:50 ghrur wrote: Well, Pandain's posted since I was last on, and now it seems it's between Kenpachi and Brownbear. Let's compare: Kenpachi has been open Kenpachi is really trying to improve Kenpachi has been more active in the thread Brownbear also seems to be less concentrated because he apparently didn't even read the OP. Overall, I think that, from a perspective outside the game, we should keep Kenpachi in so he can learn more because this is a bootcamp game. From a perspective inside the game, despite Kenpachi's lacking history, Brownbear honestly isn't a better town candidate. He's just as, if not more, clueless talking about voting for mayor and such. Furthermore, he hasn't even tried to clear his name. He hasn't even been shown to be on. EZ choice imo. His push for Pandain falls through so he attempts to analyze Kenpachi and Brownbear.His analysis is clearly biased towards one side. The "Kenpachi wants to learn more about playing mafia" defense seems like an incredibly weak reason to keep him around. On November 28 2010 10:14 ghrur wrote: Lol, annul, why so defensive yo? It's not even night yet, and you're already freaked out about pressure for the next DAY? Minor attack on annul, although weak enough that it doesn't sway me either way. On November 28 2010 10:23 ghrur wrote: YEAH! WHERE YOU AT MAFIA, WHERE YOU AT? Oh, there you are. ----------------------------------------------------------------- On November 30 2010 04:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's why I want you to roleclaim to me Kenpachi. If you're a DT or a medic, something valuable like that, you need to tell me this. You said if you tell me your special role you'll die, but if I already know a medic, and 2 other blue roles, why haven't they died as well? I think the mafia choices for hits make it pretty clear they have not been active in fishing, finding blues, or been doing anything of significance in PM's. In fact the choices they made have made me inclined to believe Pandain is probably innocent as well. On November 30 2010 05:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The second mad hatter should claim to me. It's possible there are three mad hatters in this game, but it seems unlikely. If you don't want to claim to me and find me suspicious, then claim to SR who was the townie confirmed by a DT. I have a plan if this kenpachi business turns out the way I think it might turn out and your help would be very much needed. OK now this is making me uncomfortable. You are requesting two people role claim to you. Did I miss the point where you were confirmed as town? I understand you are trying to create a town circle, but is the creation of a circle worth half the blues blindly claiming to someone of unknown affiliation? I think it would be wise to not put all our eggs in one basket at such an early point in the game. | ||
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On November 30 2010 07:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Here is where it gets weird. AT THE START OF THE GAME HE FISHES FOR MY ROLE. Here's the answer a scum is hoping for. "No, I'm the DT actually" "No, I got medic. I'm confused on this game" stuff like that. So you're going to fish at me at PM's then refuse to respond to all of mine because "you don't trust me"? I'm strongly inclined to switch my vote over to you for this scummy behavior. I agree this fishing behavior is unacceptable, yet I'm surprised to find you, of all people, to be the one that is calling him out on it. Did you not admit to fishing half the new players at the start of the game? Why is that an acceptable behavior, yet this isn't? At least you have been contributing, but lets all just agree to keep our roles to ourselves and not inquire regarding another's role unless it is a DT confirmation or leads to a scum's identity. | ||
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On November 30 2010 12:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If kenpachi turns up red, we need to take a serious serious look at the inactive players in this game. I've sent out some PMs. I'd encourage the rest of the town to do this: -choose a random inactive and pressure them in PMs. And if kenpachi does not turn up red, we still need to look at the inactive players, as they did not want to risk an alternate lynch candidate. | ||
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On November 30 2010 13:29 Kenpachi wrote: oh and also, did you notice that you mimiced DocH? Well he said watch them if you turn up red, I said watch if you don't turn red. It made more sense if you aren't red, so maybe he made a typo. Have you given up or would you like to make a case for yourself? There still is a full day left to go. | ||
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On November 30 2010 18:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Honestly it's pretty important I coordinate with medics tonight. I can't announce who needs to be protected in public, as it'll be too transparent for the mafia to figure out who is who. I know I'm asking for a lot of roleclaims, but that is what is going to win us this game. I'm thinking that a mass roleclaim might not even be such a bad idea. Mafia are the only players in this game that need to lie and considering how many blues have confirmed to me already, it could be a huge trap. I'm not going to ask for that yet. But if you're the second medic and you feel cool claiming to me, do it. If not, don't. I just want to make sure I live along with another important townie. Sigh I must sound like a broken record. Have we all given up and assumed DrH knowing most of the roles is our only hope on day 2? Even if you turn out town, I think everyone should be more cautious. Why is he our go-to man, rather than Southrawrea, who has been "confrimed" by a detective? Is the rest of the town so passive that we have rely on him winning it for everyone and hope it doesn't backfire? You plant the seed for a mass roleclaim, which would essentially be an all-in move. On November 30 2010 18:50 youngminii wrote: Just so everyone knows in case DrH turns up as scum or something and tries to do something sneaky (which I doubt will happen anyway), I roleclaimed to him. Obviously I'm not going to say what my role is but chyeah there you go. -_- | ||
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On December 01 2010 09:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: kitaman when did i say the dt checked kenpachi wut i may have said i want the dt to check kenpachi tonight. please quote me on it tho. i made many mistakes in some pms to kthez because i fuck up when im on my phone which im on right now. Well I don't really see how it could be a mistake, but here you go: Also you say his role claim obviously fake. What makes you change your mind? Its not like this information is new to you or anything. On November 30 2010 14:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: it's also because your role claim to me is obviously fake | ||
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On December 01 2010 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: also wow could that be any clearer a joke On November 30 2010 07:53 Glasse wrote: fishing for your role? are you serious right now? I thought it was pretty clear that pm was a joke when you sent back "i'm pink" sigh... On November 30 2010 07:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: So it was made clear that your pm was a joke because I sent a joke response? Joke it may be, you got what you wanted. It was that conversation that was the basis for the Kenpachi "special" role discussion that got us to this point anyways. On December 01 2010 09:53 Protactinium wrote: ##unvote kenpachi ##vote DTA The guy has 2 posts in the whole thread yet is paying attention to vote to save himself 10 minutes before the lynch. I'm going to stick with him. | ||
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On December 01 2010 09:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I got what I wanted? Which was what. Confusing him into giving out information about his role. On December 01 2010 09:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:don't vote protactinium, it's glaringly obvious his pms were pro-town and DTA has been scummy as fuck. of course he's going to save himself, he told me ahead of time he was going to be busy. Well I don't have access to pm's so if he posted in the thread, maybe I could see it is glaringly obvious as well. On December 01 2010 09:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: so he's scum because he didn't vote to kill himself? jesus christ. No it was based upon the fact that for someone who was inactive, he sure was able to show up at the right time. I changed due to the sheer amount of people pming me, which would be a poor mafia move. | ||
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On December 01 2010 10:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: NO Glasse asks me "are you green or red" I respond "I'm pink" how the fuck can you possibly turn that around and say I'm fishing on him. That's absolutely absurd. Err, we aren't talking about the same thing. My "you got what you wanted" post was referencing you calling your fish on Kenpachi a joke. | ||
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I didn't call it a joke, I called my response to glasse a joke. You quoted Glasse. Umm yes you did? [QUOTE]On December 01 2010 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: [QUOTE]On December 01 2010 09:30 kitaman27 wrote: [QUOTE]On December 01 2010 09:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: kitaman when did i say the dt checked kenpachi wut i may have said i want the dt to check kenpachi tonight. please quote me on it tho. i made many mistakes in some pms to kthez because i fuck up when im on my phone which im on right now. [/QUOTE] Well I don't really see how it could be a mistake, but here you go: [QUOTE]On November 28 2010 06:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Alright I have to share this: [quote] ----------------------------------------- Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: well i kno u cant be green since you said you're not miller i wont reveal u as probable blue/red thought. you don't have to roleclaim to me if you don't want but I am going to be trying to form a town circle. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Kenpachi: or i might be a special townie :D ----------------------------------------- Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: so ur just normal townie right ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Kenpachi: No.. im not the miller or a witch last time i checked (2 minutes ago) dunno if i can believe that your a DT ----------------------------------------- Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: im the dt and i checked you you're mafia :/ r u the miller?[/quote][/QUOTE] Also you say his role claim obviously fake. What makes you change your mind? Its not like this information is new to you or anything. [QUOTE]On November 30 2010 14:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: it's also because your role claim to me is obviously fake[/QUOTE] [/QUOTE] also wow could that be any clearer a joke[/QUOTE] Reguardless, its pretty irrelevent. No need to spam up the thread. I saw kenpachi potentially get confused by a fake dt claim, I pm him and suggest him not claiming. | ||
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On December 01 2010 10:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I didn't call it a joke, I called my response to glasse a joke. You quoted Glasse. Umm yes you did? On December 01 2010 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: also wow could that be any clearer a joke Reguardless, its pretty irrelevent. No need to spam up the thread. I saw kenpachi potentially get confused by a fake dt claim, I pm him and suggest him not claiming. | ||
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On December 01 2010 10:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: My PMs with kenpachi: i tell him im dt (joke, just trying to test reaction) then busdriver (even more obvious joke) he tells me nothing of value starts saying he is "special townie" later claims medic making me unsure The "he tells me nothing of value" apparently was enough to convince you his medic claim was fake. Irrelevant at this point tho. On December 01 2010 10:14 Coagulation wrote: ok i think this argument has run its course. lets move on. ^^ The glasse quote was where he also called his fish a joke and someone gave him a hard time for it. Maybe I misread it. Either way, it doesn't add anything to the current situation. | ||
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On December 01 2010 10:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: what the fuck are you talking about why don't you just read every single pm me and kenpachi sent to eachother, he posted them all anyway. you have no sense of order. he told me nothing of value in the first hour of the game when we talked. obviously his later claims and the banter between him and pandain was of value to me and my analysis No need to get upset. Here is the exact pm you sent me when I asked you why Kenpachi's role claim to you was "obviously false". Here you tell me the conversation you had with him caused you to discredit his claim. Now you tell me it was nothing of value. Dunno, maybe we aren't on the same page. | ||
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On December 01 2010 12:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: what happened to the modkilled players? aren't there like 100 fucking people who got modkilled? replacements better be active. inactivity, if anything, will screw this town. also would anyone be opposed to me telling you all WHO roleclaimed ot me but not what role they gave me? Seems like it would give the mafia free information. What would be the benefit of that? | ||
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On December 01 2010 12:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Claimed to me: Annul Jcarls Southrawrea Kenpachi youngminii aidnai (pre-death) Pandain Chaoser Protactinium Glasse (claimed publicly) KtheZ (claimed publicly) Aeres You claim to know two medics. Coagulation dies and pops up medic. You state Coagulation never claimed to you. There is a lie somewhere in there. Whether or not it was intentional or for a better cause, lying to town is rather bothersome. It certainly doesn't help the trust issues, especially now that two medics wind up dead :/ Also, sorry if I missed it with this wall of text, but mind explaining again how annul received the medic's identity? ----------------------------------------------------------- I assume it was just a weird coincidence that Amber died to a scythe in both stories right? There aren't any clues, correct? | ||
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On December 02 2010 12:21 Node wrote: I'd also like to chip in that considering Radfield seemed so sure that he was about to die night 1... ...he had done very little to actually earn it. He hadn't thrown out any accusations except for hounding a selection of lurkers. Unless he was promoting himself as a blue in PMs (in which case, I'd like to see them), he'd done virtually nothing that would make him a prime mafia target in my eyes. This screams drawing medics to me. A post to draw medics isn't very effective right before the night ends. I would be interested why he believed he had a 62.5% chance of dieing, however. | ||
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Artanis[Xp] Total posts: 6 On November 29 2010 03:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I just voted for you as you hadn't added much to the thread yet. As for being inactive; I have always been sort of a lurker, both as mafia and townie. The difference is that I now prefer less short, spammy posts in favor of posts that'll actually help town forward instead of driving them in circles. I voted for you as I hadn't really analyzed the active posters enough to make a proper judgement so I'd rather make sure my vote wouldn't help a mafia bandwagon on anyone. Claims his basis for voting against Amber is lack of contribution to the thread. Comes off hypocritical. Protactinium Total posts: 7 On November 27 2010 05:25 Protactinium wrote: I hope people will be more active than it has been (I know I was not helpful here, but I am here now). I am sure the game will start to pick up now that Thanksgiving is over. To help ensure that activity levels will rise, I will like to remind everyone (or inform people who don’t read the rules) that if you are inactive you will surely die without giving an excuse to the mods. Again, calls for an active thread yet remains inactive. Later. he appears out of nowhere right before he is about to get lynched to make 60% of his posts. CubEdIn Total posts: 7 Waits six days before making his first post. On December 01 2010 20:28 CubEdIn wrote: Ok so I managed to skim through this. I think Kenpachi is suspicious. If nobody DTs him he can easily fake the medic role all the way to the end. And even if he does get DTed, he could be the Elder Witch. Supports a DT check of Kenpachi, which in retrospect would have been a waste. EsbenPM Total posts: 6 Hasn't posted since page 34, but in the few posts that he has made, he has made seemingly pro-town posts including a defense of kenpachi. Would like to hear more from him. youngminii Total posts: 11 No posts in particular pop out, although there weren't many to look through. Playing quietly and appearing when called upon. Annul Total posts: 28 More posts than the rest on the list, but still someone I would consider inactive. The majority of his posts have been spam or self-defending. On November 28 2010 10:25 annul wrote: and ps i never claimed any color for this game. Then proceeds to claim to DrH, without stating a reason for his change in mindset. On November 30 2010 15:30 annul wrote: tbh this game is prematurely fucked for the town due to a DT suiciding so like i really have stopped paying much attention since then if im still alive later on in the game im sure i will pay more attention to the stuff (and, specifically, look at individual posts of the ones still alive), but in the meanwhile ill give cursory skims and vote my gut and/or what people i think are town are voting. for some reason i just do not "feel" this game =( id almost say "go and kill me" but i mean you really are better off just finding scum, not lynching a townie for not caring so much on day 2 not that i think i am in any danger whatsoever, mind you On December 01 2010 02:36 annul wrote: btw, it goes against my mafia DNA to "give up" - i am only explaining why i am not so active in this one right now when it gets deeper in the game if i am still here i will do my part, for sure. Repeatedly promises to contribute at a later point. States he is not giving up, yet shows he doesn't care. On November 30 2010 15:30 annul wrote: in the meanwhile ill give cursory skims and vote my gut and/or what people i think are town are voting. On December 01 2010 02:41 annul wrote: also i am reading the thread mind you, so i know all of what is happening Goes from "skimming" and bandwagoning to being completely informed in a matter of hours. | ||
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On December 04 2010 02:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Because of the immediacy of the DT claim I'm inclined to believe it is true and in a 30 person game 2 DT's is quite normal. Perhaps it is quite possible there is no vig, but in that case there are certainly 2 vets meaning youngminii is probably telling the truth. There may even be 2 vigs. Because YM is "the vet" I asked him to claim DT and announce the result of the DT check but he ignored me completely and instead tried to turn a bandwagon around on me. Good one eh? Err why would someone believe a DT claim anyways? So if he isn't going to announce the result are you or South going to confirm the circle grew? | ||
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Err because when 1 DT dies and everyone knows there is likely only one left it is too risky for mafia to fake the claim because a counterclaim would result in an immediate lynch. It would also force the DT to out his scumbuddies to avoid check discrepancies but the DT had been checking the people I asked so that never happened in the first place. I meant why would mafia believe a public dt claim like young. Unless his announcement was to be only a few people I suppose. Nevermind. [QUOTE]The person who was checked did not return a mafia alignment but was not added to the circle. It was Glasse and he returned the result green townie but I believe he is very likely the chaos ensuant. [/QUOTE] k thx | ||
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On December 04 2010 03:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Err because when 1 DT dies and everyone knows there is likely only one left it is too risky for mafia to fake the claim because a counterclaim would result in an immediate lynch. It would also force the DT to out his scumbuddies to avoid check discrepancies but the DT had been checking the people I asked so that never happened in the first place. I meant why would mafia believe a public dt claim like young. Unless his announcement was to be only a few people I suppose. Nevermind. The person who was checked did not return a mafia alignment but was not added to the circle. It was Glasse and he returned the result green townie but I believe he is very likely the chaos ensuant. k thx | ||
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On December 04 2010 12:38 Nemesis wrote: Hi guys, I've just entered the game. Anyone care to enlighten me what the person I replaced have been doing all game? I've been reading through the thread beforehand and I have to say that this game is hilarious with the amount of roleclaims in here (Half the players have roleclaimed I think). And it was pretty obvious at that point that Jimbo and youngminii were scum. The question is as to who else could possible be scum. Welcome. It would probably take about 30 sec to read all his posts. | ||
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On December 05 2010 09:35 annul wrote: you say its 11-4 right? give me a list of remaining players and claimed roles (do it in IRC if you must) Is it wise to release the claim list to just anyone because they ask for it? Most of the blues are dead, but there are still vigs and vet's identities that should keep secret. You can still do behavioral analysis without it correct? I've got studying for finals to do too, but I'll try to get out at least one or two posts sometime tomorrow. | ||
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On December 05 2010 11:23 annul wrote: ? i never claimed vet He isn't talking about you. Are you saying your post was a coincidence and not an indirect attack on young? On December 05 2010 10:09 annul wrote: of course, but behavioral analysis is much better when i have something to go on. for example if i know someone claimed vet and they are acting timid as fuck i know something is not right | ||
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Kenpachi-5 DTA (lynched that day) JimboSilvers youngminii Radfiel Eiii When Kenpachi claimed medic, mafia knew he was telling the truth, and thus would be most resistant to changing the lynch target. With only a half an hour away from lynching a medic, they would be in no hurry to move off. Interestingly enough, here sits jimbo with our two major supspects young and Radfield. | ||
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On December 06 2010 02:13 Radfield wrote: Voting Youngminii. Youngminii is good enough to be active and draw a hit, yet has played like he's a detective(or red) instead of like a vet. The other pressing issue in my mind is this: Obviously the town circle is breached. First the hidden medic, and then the hidden Detective. Dr H and Amber are both dead. This leaves a big giant hole in the town circle, with only one person remaining: Southrawrea. My question is why is he still alive?? Everyone knew he was in the circle, so why is he still standing? Why kill Pandain and not him? Any thoughts on this SR? Is it just me, or have Jimbo and Young been awful friendly towards you Radfield? Take the previous lynch, for example. The vote is 6-0 against you and Jimbo feels that is the perfect time to go off on DrH and basically admit he is scum. Wouldn't it have been better just to lay low and take the much easier route of just hitting him at night? The chances of sucessfully lynching DrH at that point were rather slim. Unless he was trying to draw attention off his Elder? As for young, first off, he directly defends you at the 6-0 vote mark. Yesterday, at point where he is probably going to be lynched, he needed to find a better target. Knowing there plenty of votes against you the previous day, the logical choice would be yourself, no? Who does he go after instead? KtheZ. His reasoning? Is it safe to say you didn't roleclaim to DrH, why would that be? Perhaps it's because you're a green, or some important blue like a DT, or a red. lol. Loyal 'till the end perhaps? You say Youngminii is good enough to be active and draw a hit, yet has played like he's a detective(or red) instead. I'm pretty sure we can say the same for yourself. No you didn't claim vet, but you certainly haven't played like a strong town so far this game. If young turns up red, I think town has to seriously take another look at you for the next lynch. | ||
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On December 06 2010 06:47 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Night 4? Funny, I recall previous hosts already using that. You Sir are the sheep! :p | ||
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On December 06 2010 08:28 Incognito wrote: Its 7 v 4? I thought its 8 v 4? Or did someone get modkilled? Did you remember to not count young (lynch) in your total? | ||
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On December 06 2010 08:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I just recounted, it is 8v4. James is like perma AFK. I think hes working on a book or something. It isn't mylo or lylo. Its just time to stop sucking. Since Chaos Ensuant shares the mafia win condition, does that mean it is safe to assume there are none remaining (or they are included as one of the 4)? | ||
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Scenario: Lynch a town Town loss Scenario: Lynch a scum 8-3 lynch 5-3 hits 5-2 lynch 3-2 hits 3-1 lynch 2-1 hits 2-0 lynch 4 correct lynches required Scenario: Lynch an Elder 8-3 lynch 6-3 hits 6-2 lynch 4-2 hits 4-1 lynch 3-1 hits 2-0 lynch 4 correct lynches required Both these scenarios assume the hatter is not hit. Given the information the mafia has, this is certainly possible. If by chance they do hit the hatter, then based on where his bombs lie, the chances of victory are much higher. Alternate route, we lynch the MH: Scenario: MH is elder 8-3 lynch 6-3 night hits 6-2 lynch 4-2 night hits 3-1 lynch 2-1 night nits 2-0 lynch 3 correct lynches required (since the MH was the first lynch) Scenario: Bombs hit an elder and scum 7-2 lynch 5-2 night hits 5-1 lynch 4-1 night hits 1 correct lynches required to reach 4-1 Scenario: Bombs hit 2 scum 7-2 lynch 5-2 night hits 5-1 lynch 4-1 night hits 1 correct lynches required to reach 4-1 Scenario: Bombs hits elder and town 6-3 lynch 4-3 night hits 4-2 lynch 2-2 night hits Town loss Scenario: Bombs hits scum and town 6-3 lynch 4-3 night hits 4-2 lynch 2-2 night hits Town loss Scenario: Bomb hits two town Town loss The entire argument becomes invalid if the MH only has one bomb remaining. We have to decide if it is more likely for the MH to currently have 2 bombs on scum or for us to lynch correct 4 times in a row or have the mafia hit the hatter. Someone should probably check the numbers, but given these scenarios, I think not lynching the hatter is the best way to go. | ||
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On December 07 2010 23:38 Radfield wrote: OK, sorry everyone, my Satellite Inet has been down due to a storm. First things first, lets not lynch me today  . People are throwing that around with little reasoning. That fact that not a single soul in this thread has spoken a word of defense towards me today should let you know i'm not red. Mafia are content to let me be the lynchee. Anyone actively pushing for my lynch or death through MH, gets some scum points.Second, we need to kill the godfather ASAP. If we have 4 mafia left, as people are assuming, then the only way to reduce KP quickly is by lynching the GF. Lynching the GF today leaves us in a better situation down the stretch. So in my mind, the question is who is the most likely to be the GF, not who is most likely to be mafia. Taking a look at who is left in this game: 2. Jcarlsoniv 4. Southrawrea - Still hasn't explained why he has not been hit. 10. Eiii 12. kitaman27 13. Cubedin 14. esbenpm 19. node 22. radfield 25. Aeres 27. KtheZ 29. Nemesis 30. Glasse These are my personal thoughts right now(4 out of 5 are likely mafia), but we need to come to a consensus now before we go down the wire. Assuming we lynch correctly today, we need everyones thoughts on paper before the night finishes. Why? Because three more townies will die in the night, and using their opinions will help keep the mafia influence to a minimum down the stretch. Hmm, so you call out 5 different people, but fail to provide reasons yourself. Care to elaborate? I also find it interesting that you accuse our dt confirmed green. Sure, he could be the unlikely elder, but you haven't provided any reasons for what makes you think that. | ||
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On December 08 2010 01:07 kitaman27 wrote: Hmm, so you call out 5 different people, but fail to provide reasons yourself. Care to elaborate? I also find it interesting that you accuse our dt confirmed green. Sure, he could be the unlikely elder, but you haven't provided any reasons for what makes you think that. In addition, you question South because he hasn't explained why he hasn't been hit. If he is town, then he has no explanation. Mafia is the one deciding the hits. That is similar to last game where Ace demanded I prove my innocence by explaining how I could have a watcher role that tracks. There is no correct answer that I could make. I'm not saying he gets a free pass, but the same logic could be used towards you not explaining why you haven't been hit. | ||
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On December 08 2010 03:03 jcarlsoniv wrote: Ok, I am going to make an executive decision. I believe lynching the MH will put the town in a good position for tomorrow if everything goes well. We are sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place here, and we need some bombs to blow them down. I have started to become more confident that my bombs are in the right place. I'm still not completely sure, and I apologize if shit doesn't go well, but I feel that a risk must be taken. High risk, high reward. Let Operation 72 Virgins (not 99 =P) commence. You heard the man, no going back now that he role claimed. If your vote isn't on him then you make yourself a target. | ||
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On December 08 2010 03:34 CubEdIn wrote: First of all, I'm just going into deep WIFOM here, but since you're playing along with the discussion, let's digress! Many reasons! a) Find out who the real MH is (look for the guy with a surprised look on his face that seems to be going "heeeeeeey....") b) Cause a huge shit storm, in case there are 2 MHs claiming. The Mafia will be united, but the town won't. They will no longer know who to trust and votes will be split at least 2-ways (tho, one of them will be the real MHer so no harm there I guess). c) Draw attention to some players while hiding others. A lot can happen if that amount of chaos is ensued. I'm not saying it's a wise move for mafia, It's not. But it would be hella-funny, and not as unreasonable as it sounds. The only real argument against it is that town doesn't have any real leads anyway, so there's no need to push a snowball down the hill. If we are both mafia, then I suggest you lynch him to kill a scum. If we are both town, then I suggest you lynch him to let him carry out his plan. | ||
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On December 08 2010 04:39 Radfield wrote: Are you joking? I assume you're referring to this sentence: + Show Spoiler + If you guys truly believe that me and Eiii the most likely mafia, then lynching one today and one tomorrow is the smarter play(in principal). Obviously lynching me today is just as much an auto-loss as lynching you(the MH). I'm trying to show that this is a bad idea in principle, and that this is not the optimum strategy right now. Using your role is not a priority by any stretch. Also, there is a very good chance you will get hit by mafia tonight, since at least one of your bombs is on a townie. You might have sealed your own fate with this one. Trying to reveal the second bomb location can't be a protown move. Mafia can confirm if both bombs are on a town, which leads to an autowin situation for them. | ||
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On December 08 2010 05:10 Radfield wrote: YOU revealed the second bomb location to me(via PM). If I am mafia I have no need to say it in the thread.... I'd just PM it to the other mafia members. Do you deny this?? All I'm doing is letting everyone know what we're actually talking about. Besides, if I'm mafia then I already know if Eiii is mafia or not. You're not making any sense here. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying, you revealing the second bomb means your alternate lynch proposal becomes weaker. Now that the mafia know both bombs, its too risky to let the MH live. On December 08 2010 05:10 Radfield wrote: Why do you even care if mafia can confirm both bombs are on a townie?? YOUR plan is to blow the Hatter up tonight. Why do I care if mafia can confirm both bombs? Because if they can, it could lead to an auto-lose situation. Seems like a pretty important reason. Thus, I stated it as flaw in the alternate plan, making the plan to blow up the Hatter stronger. | ||
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##Vote jcarlsoniv This loses us the game though. Why does it lose us the game if you don't know that the bomb is on yourself? | ||
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On December 08 2010 09:09 Eiii wrote: The ":/" is because I thought the plan had almost no chance of succeeding! My intention with that line was more along the lines of "mark my words..." than a definite statement, and it was dumb to say looking back on it. I had (and have) no trust in the town's ability to identify two mafia with 100% accuracy, and I wasn't happy that that was the plan we were moving forward with-- but I was NOT going to fuck everything up by voting against the town. Problem is, now voting with the town fucks everything up so I have to take the worst of both. On December 07 2010 08:19 Eiii wrote: The hatter plan seems best to me too, if I'm understanding correctly. Looks like you contradict yourself there. | ||
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On December 08 2010 09:13 Eiii wrote: ....yeah, then I changed my mind because I actually looked into what lynching the hatter could do instead of going off of everyone's 'this is town's only chance' posts. I didn't know it had such a good chance of killing us when I made that first post. "If I'm understanding correctly" implies that you already saw the scenario posts and arguments for a MH lynch, no? Are you saying you endorsed the plan without thinking about it? | ||
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On December 08 2010 09:22 Eiii wrote: Pretty close to it. I was actually on like a ten minute break between finals at that point, and was most concerned with letting the town know I was supporting them. Obviously I went back and thoroughly read those posts later. I'm not going to pretend it was a good move at all. After you realized the MH lynch plan was such a poor idea why didn't you post your new opinion in the thread? :/ | ||
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Sorry, missed that. On December 08 2010 09:37 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Tik tok on the clock, 23 minutes remain You're practically begging us to change the lynch aren't you? :p | ||
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On December 08 2010 10:02 SouthRawrea wrote: OH LOLLL I VOTED AFTER THE GAME FINISHED I demand a modkill. This game is under protest. You were dt checked day one right? | ||
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On December 08 2010 10:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I don't know why after you lynch the first veteran you didn't move to the second "veteran". Something I learned a few games ago, if you know that one of two people are mafia kill them both. I'm not sure if anyone even knew south was the second vet after DrH died. Jcarl tried to get the role list, but I don't think he got a response and I just found out a couple hours ago in a pm with south. Why should we have lynched the second veteran though? Is two vet in a game with no vig concrete enough to make us think one of the two had to be a elder? On December 08 2010 10:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: From what I skimmed, did Jcarlsoniv keep saying his second target was Eii? Because he never actually had a bomb on Eii. You guys didn't do anywhere near enough analysis later on and I don't know why after you lynch the first veteran you didn't move to the second "veteran". Something I learned a few games ago, if you know that one of two people are mafia kill them both. It was to prevent mafia shenanigans. If mafia thought one of the bombs was on a town, things would go more smoothly. Guess it didn't help that a bomb really was on a town and they knew where the bombs were anyways. | ||
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On December 08 2010 10:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I blame myself solely for this loss. By entrusting all information to SouthRawrea, I handed this game to the mafia. Sorry guys. My play was pretty poor in this game. But live and learn right? Lets all just agree to blame that n00b artanis for checking him in the first place. South's "hey look guys. I have a role, check me please" is what made me trust him as a vet, guess it had an alternate motive. We were only 10 minutes away from lynching Nemesis(protactinium). I'm going to have to go back and check how they dodged that bullet. | ||
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