EPTBC and RoL: Salem Mafia - Page 15
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On November 27 2010 05:58 BrownBear wrote: Oh wait. Dammit, no mayor. Goddammit, DTA, this is what I get for just reading posts and not the OP. bwahahhahahahahahahhaaha. Plan success. On November 27 2010 06:49 Aeres wrote: I'm Joe Pesci, who beats the shit out of Thom Yorke and George Clooney at the same time! /flex I'm a bit confused as to what we should be doing at this point. The majority of players involved haven't even posted yet, and we don't have anything to discuss, really, aside from town circles, Medic priorities, etc... but shouldn't we wait for everyone to be present to talk about these things? I wouldn't say I'm impatient about this, but Day 1 seems to be a brick wall for discussion most of the time if there isn't a Mayor. = / I WAIT FOR NO ONE. On November 27 2010 06:51 deconduo wrote: Day one lynches are always tough. I agree that we should lynch a lurker, but as this is more of a learning game I think we should be looking at the more experienced players who aren't posting as much as they should be. New players are going to be quiet anyway, so we should be encouraging them rather that threatening with the big lynch stick. It would be pretty shitty to lynch a newbie day one. Lurkers must die. KILL THEM ALL! On November 27 2010 09:46 Glasse wrote: what's a super modkill? It's like a super kamehameha. I'm skeptical, DrH =P. I'll reserve my judgement until later though. | ||
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KtheZ
United States813 Posts
meatshield represent, but glasse got it first lol meatshield represent #2 (This means im claiming green) Although im not sure how much use this could be, since for all you know I could be a mafia fakeclaiming, glasse did it first, so he tested the waters | ||
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
On November 27 2010 09:21 kitaman27 wrote: Ya it looks like the mods might have copied/pasted without modifying the entire role for Salem. We really shouldn't put up with their laziness. Also, it might be beneficial to post if anyone has pm'd you fishing for role claims, as it would make sense for a mafia to try, now that DrH has posted a medic was so willing to give it up. Well I've gotten no PMs because I've made it pretty clear that it should be a secretive thing that should be done to avoid having mafia inference peoples' roles through the information available to them. On November 27 2010 08:21 Glasse wrote: OH MY GOD stop the pm spam, this meant green, not crazy thing with multiple hits i'm useless so i'm a meat shield If claiming green at the beginning of the game as WIFOM strategy was useful, everybody would do it. None of this please. NONE. | ||
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KtheZ
United States813 Posts
On November 27 2010 10:36 Glasse wrote: wow you can't copy me like that The best praise is copying. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On November 27 2010 06:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Alright so town circle stuff, here is what I know: I know one player who is almost certainly a confirmed medic I know one player who is either a blue role or a red role (not green) There is absolutely no way that someone can be almost certainly confirmed at this point in the game. Not to mention, there is no way any medic can be confirmed in this set-up, because no one is notified if they took a hit and were medic saved. Wow, what a perfect cover for the GF..... What you actually know is that two players are either red or blue(I'm assuming the other player roleclaimed blue). I'll admit that a roleclaim at this point is so strange it's probably true, but again, the only player who has nothing to lose from a roleclaim at this point is the GF. also if he is mafia, i have him in a trap. if he is a mafia medic i can make sure certain people don't get hit, thus almost being something of a medic role myself, because if he tells me "i'm protecting player x" and then player x dies along with 2 others then he's in deep shit Obviously the mafia just won't kill player x in this case. Yes it keeps them alive, but it slowly and surely leaks the town circle. Honestly, the only people who can be trusting at this point are mafia. Why? Because they know who all the townies are, so of course they can be trusting. Stop roleclaiming in PMs people! I don't care if you're green or not, every PM roleclaim hurts the town at this point. The town circle needs to be build from the dt(s) outwards, not from random flying PMs. | ||
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KtheZ
United States813 Posts
I think it is ok to lurk in the topic as long as you are very active in PMs and try to contribute to the town cause. (or is that not lurking O.o) | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
 . Since there is no pressure on them, mafia is probably most concerned with breaking into DrH's circle. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On November 27 2010 11:21 Barundar wrote: Alot of people who have posted something barely qualify them as non lurkers . Since there is no pressure on them, mafia is probably most concerned with breaking into DrH's circle. What circle!? NO ONE SHOULD BE PMING DR H THEIR ROLES. It's day 1 folks, that means zero dt checks have been done, and the mafia haven't even chosen the godfather. This is a great way to lose the game on day 1..... Dr H is actively calling for roleclaims on Day 1!? Does this not alarm anyone else? Basically as far as i can tell, the idea is to put our faith in Dr H(for no reason) and hope he's not mafia. Because if he IS mafia, and there's nothing indicating he isn't, then our blues get completely hung out to dry. Why would we ever gamble like this? No roleclaims people. Today is about lynching and forcing people to vote and post, not about giving away what advantage we have. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
the nature of the roleclaim leads me to believe if it's true. i explained in pm to someone (i forgot who) why the medic claim, if fake, puts mafia in more harm then good anyway so for now it's a win/win situation for town with the medic thing. i trust him but not enough to reveal any crucial information to him. the fact that he roleclaimed to me allows me to put immense pressure on him and it is not a veteran player i trust to not fuck up. Don't roleclaim to me, I think the best way is for the DT to clear a path like Artanis is suggesting. Which, by the way, was my suggestion in the first place. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On November 27 2010 09:19 JimboSilvers wrote: Hey guys, sorry it seems I'm late to the party  DrH, is there anymore to that PM chain? Did your mysterious person ever respond? Still though I dno't really feel like that's that safe to trust, especially since I'm confused as to how you could have a confirmed person so easily? It would really come down to all that you 'feel' about that person. Your reasoning kind of seems like you're WiFOMing yourself too... So lets call WIFOM on all analysis of behavior/psychology and not analyse this game at all? Insofar the medic gamble makes no sense to me as a mafia play, it was instant and it was something that was clearly not discussed/planned by a group as a whole. I trust this person insofar as I believe them personally to be town aligned but I do not trust them enough to reveal information to them YET. The mafia can "fake" medic perfectly by sacrificing one KP per night which is a winning situation for town as long as we restrict the flow of roleclaims/information to one person who was confirmed by a DT. A DT could confirm me since I've already begun something of a circle, I guess (i'm pming a lot) but mafia will inevitably twist it and make believe that I am surely the godfather. I think it is the best course of action to choose a relatively inexperienced/bad player to be confirmed. Someone like coagulation, georgeclooney, protactinium, or w/e there are a slew of newbies in this game | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On November 27 2010 11:33 Radfield wrote: What circle!? NO ONE SHOULD BE PMING DR H THEIR ROLES. It's day 1 folks, that means zero dt checks have been done, and the mafia haven't even chosen the godfather. This is a great way to lose the game on day 1..... Dr H is actively calling for roleclaims on Day 1!? Does this not alarm anyone else? Basically as far as i can tell, the idea is to put our faith in Dr H(for no reason) and hope he's not mafia. Because if he IS mafia, and there's nothing indicating he isn't, then our blues get completely hung out to dry. Why would we ever gamble like this? No roleclaims people. Today is about lynching and forcing people to vote and post, not about giving away what advantage we have. I agree with you on not giving out roleclaims. Roleclaiming blindly on day1 is just newbie, but I don't understand what advantages we have. So far, as far as I'm concerned, our only advantage is PM. We don't have the information Mafia has, we don't have our power roles yet, and we don't have anything remotely resembling a town circle yet. God, the fact that Dr. H has been claimed to already is so screwed up. >_< I'd suggest checking him, but if he's mafia, then obviously he's going to become Elder. But then again, it'd be SO dangerous to have mafia just control a blue role for their own protection to be killed at their leisure. I say DT should still check him (no risk of suicide bomber), but even if he comes out green/blue, be wary. Be SURE to analyze his posts. Of course, the real problem becomes how does the DT get in touch with the medic. Clearly we have Dr. H, but if he were mafia, then both DT AND medic would be exposing himself. This would be especially dangerous if he were Elder and we let down our guards. We can't possibly risk 2 blue roles so early in the game. Now, as far as the medic goes, I doubt that's mafia claiming medic. It'd be too easy to pin onto them, and fake roleclaiming can get mafia ousted pretty easily. Therefore, we can trust the medic. This means that if Dr. H is town/blue, then we already have the foundations of a town circle. This CAN go a long way, but please be wary people. I mean, I want to trust Dr. H and all, especially after insane mafia where he did a great job leading, but I'm afraid of the annul situation in Haunted again. *shudders* >_< *sidenote* as for lynching, I think we should pressure Pandain. He's usually a very active player, and he's inactive right now. I get black friday, but Pandain hasn't made a useful post since the game started. Also, it's been shown that he cracks under pressure as mafia. Beneficial results? I think so! ^_^ | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On November 27 2010 12:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i'm not asking anybody to roleclaim to me, where are you getting that idea? i presented a few ideas for a possible town circle and asked town to discuss them. You aren't coming out directly and saying it, but you're certainly insinuating it. if he is willing, my current proposition is to have him protect me like a bodyguard indefinitely and then I can coordinate the town network but there are problems with that: -you guys have to trust me, but I think I proved my leadership prowess in Insane Mafia and I promise to improve as town in this game (if youngminii doesn't shoot me) the best thing is that only one person will know peoples roles and if I'm telling people about what others are saying I'll refer to them only as "the medic" "the DT" etc. Also, your story doesn't match up: On November 27 2010 07:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i sent out some random pm's for kicks and a player just immediately told me he was the medic i wasn't expecting that but it kinda gives me something to work with i guess. i told him to shut up and not tell anyone else though tip for town players: don't randomly roleclaim to people who PM you unrelated nonsense No mention of Shutting up etc + Show Spoiler + Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: i know why would you roleclaim to me so suddenly? i wasn't even going to ask, although I guess I can give you advice. Medic is a pretty easy role I think, just go after vets/anyone who roleclaims an important role like DT unless you're really suspicious. it's a role i always wish i would get but I never do. I think its playstyle suits me actually. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From SOMEBODY thats not even a role. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: cool i got dracula ----------------------------------------- Original Message From PLAYERDUDEGUY I got medic. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: whats up buttercup I realize this isn't much, but come on... you only told us 1 single detail about your PM conversation, but then when you show us the convo it's not there? What are we really supposed to think?? Care to explain? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
If he's mafia he's just inviting a ton of pressure on himself. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 27 2010 12:18 ghrur wrote: God, the fact that Dr. H has been claimed to already is so screwed up. >_< I'd suggest checking him, but if he's mafia, then obviously he's going to become Elder. But then again, it'd be SO dangerous to have mafia just control a blue role for their own protection to be killed at their leisure. I say DT should still check him (no risk of suicide bomber), but even if he comes out green/blue, be wary. Be SURE to analyze his posts. I think that would be a waste of a dt check. As one of the few veteran players in this game, odds are he is going to take a hit early on. Dt checking someone that is either likely Elder or soon to be dead would only slow the development of the circle. On November 27 2010 12:18 ghrur wrote: *sidenote* as for lynching, I think we should pressure Pandain. He's usually a very active player, and he's inactive right now. I get black friday, but Pandain hasn't made a useful post since the game started. Also, it's been shown that he cracks under pressure as mafia. Beneficial results? I think so! ^_^The lynch is going to come up on us fast so we really should start talking about individual targets. Realistically, we have a couple of hours tonight and then about 6 hours tomorrow in the late afternoon/early evening, as the thread will probably die during the morning hours. Leaving this decision to the last few hours would present a much easier opportunity for mafia influence. With only 5 pages in 24 hours things really need to get moving. | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
See the voting thread for details. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
MEDICCLAIMER: you're a much better player then me. I'm taking a gamble assuming your town.. but I already claimed to you. so if i die i die. however if you are really town then I will be best off working with you. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: maybe why so submissive? it's making me feel weird ----------------------------------------- Original Message From MEDICCLAIMER: I will let you call the shots. just pm who you want me to protect. I can prot you night 1 if you want. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: Please tell me who you protect each night. That way I can be sure you aren't mafia faking medic and if you just pick bullshit like random inactives for no reason then it'll be pretty obvious you're scum. If I know the name of a confirmed townie, I'll tell you so you can tell that person who you're protecting ahead of time. Maybe. If you do trust me you can tell me ahead of time. Because if it turns out that you protect someone and two people die (including them) and vet doesn't claim the hit then you're mafia. I trust you though, I don't think mafia would just blueclaim to me so brazenly and quickly. Don't claim to anyone else btw, just keep it on the down low. I'm going to try to start a town circle. If I find anyone who can be trusted, I'll refer you to them. There needs to be a level of disconnection so mafia/GF don't fuck everything up. I'm still trying to think of a safe link system or something i'll let u know I'm not going to reveal every single PM I get, but it's getting ridiculous that I'm being twisted as scum just because another player chose to roleclaim to me without prompt. If someone can explain how the medic claim is a good mafia play and how it will ruin us/hurt the town circle then that's fine. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 27 2010 12:46 DarthThienAn wrote: I has solution to all that has been said in the last few posts... See the voting thread for details. And how is that a solution? Either you see something that I don't or you are starting an incredibly weak bandwagon. On November 27 2010 12:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm not going to reveal every single PM I get, but it's getting ridiculous that I'm being twisted as scum just because another player chose to roleclaim to me without prompt. If someone can explain how the medic claim is a good mafia play and how it will ruin us/hurt the town circle then that's fine. Don't forget your anti-spam promise from Insane. No need to reply to every single random attack if they are unwarranted. : ) | ||
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