EPTIs it safe to conclude, ASSUMING 17'S CLAIM IS TRUE, that 13 is either Elite Soldier or a non-town aligned player? The latter because he would have had to receive aid in order to keep his province.
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jcarlsoniv
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Is it safe to conclude, ASSUMING 17'S CLAIM IS TRUE, that 13 is either Elite Soldier or a non-town aligned player? The latter because he would have had to receive aid in order to keep his province. | ||
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LSB
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On November 17 2010 11:48 Hesmyrr wrote: If this is true can you agree to compromise lynch of #17? Not a bad trade-off since according to you, it's going to net you two easy scum. You are misunderstanding me. I am saying, lets say we have two people. One of them is town, one of them is scum. What do we do? You are saying we let them be. I am saying that killing the scum is more important. So lets say if someone else claims 17. Sure I'll reveal who 17 is (with his permission first) and then we lynch the person who we think is more scummy. If one of them flips town, we lynch the other one. | ||
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LSB
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On November 17 2010 11:49 jcarlsoniv wrote: Ok, all Ace/LSB arguing aside: Is it safe to conclude, ASSUMING 17'S CLAIM IS TRUE, that 13 is either Elite Soldier or a non-town aligned player? The latter because he would have had to receive aid in order to keep his province. Indeed. However since the Elite Soldier's ability can be only used once, I'd find it hard to believe that the person decided to use their ability night 1. | ||
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LSB
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On November 17 2010 11:50 Hesmyrr wrote: The part where several people kept entertaining the idea of 17 being elite soldier? And I am curious why you suddenly chose to change your position regarding 17. That post didn't make sense. I think you are confusing 17 and 13 | ||
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Ace
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Did I? No I didn't. I said 17 could be lying or you could be making it all up. Yes you did, and to further this you even made this post Um no I didn't. I never said someone other than 17 claimed to you. You quoted a bunch of posts and none if it says that. No, jcarl posted about how they could be allied and I said Masons. Exactly, you are speculating that they could be Masons. That seems very unlikely, especially if they were both town 13 would have to be a solider. How is that unlikely? No roles have flipped and no countries have flipped so you do not know that. 13 doesn't have to be a soldier if he gets AID from anyone else. Do we know if it's a 2 or 3 person Mason group? We don't know ANYTHING about 13 or who he's allied to or what role him or his allies have. So you saying "that seems very unlikely" is bullshit. No information has been revealed through death. Firstly, this was the main point of your argument you are now backing down on your main point <noted> Secondly, this is your main defense of Hesmyrr. I'm giving Hesmyrr a chance to confirm your defense of him. He didn't. There goes your defense. I'm not backing down from my "main point". Keep taking notes though, hope you've got a lot of paper to jot this all down. That is also not my defense of Hessmyrr. My defense of Hesmyrr is your unending motivation to see him lynched. If Hessmyrr is Scum, and you believe it to be so, and I'm defending him but he doesn't "confirm" my defense to you then what does that prove? nothing. Because I bet if Hessmyrr did "confirm" my defense of him your next point would be - LOOK! He is defending him and Hessmyrr confirmed! They are both scum! I don't get how "we misread the rules" applies to Hesmyrr knowing what was going to happen. We just sent in our night action wrong. That is my motivation Lies. You had to know how attacks were going to happen, especially if you're in alliance. No way that an alliance of a few people ALL skipped that simple explanation. Then when your mishap was blown up by moi, you came up with some bullshit scenario that would have led to 24 and 23 both having to be scum, and there being a Scum mole in your group. LOL. Remember how quickly you stopped talking that shit when I shot it down? Exactly. So you've been jumping to conclusions all day to make Hessmyrr look bad. Ok you addressed, it's not an issue anymore. I haven't even commented on this again so why bring this up? Explain Likewise for people wondering why neutrals aren't popped - why take neutrals when you can take other players out? +1 vote is less useful than +1 vote and -1 to another player. Stop contradicting yourself, it is getting seriously annoying What? You explained 18, I stopped talking about it. How does me explaining why someone would want to pop a province over a neutral have anything to do with the conversation with 18? You are REALLY grasping for straws here. | ||
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Ace
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On November 17 2010 11:49 jcarlsoniv wrote: Ok, all Ace/LSB arguing aside: Is it safe to conclude, ASSUMING 17'S CLAIM IS TRUE, that 13 is either Elite Soldier or a non-town aligned player? The latter because he would have had to receive aid in order to keep his province. If 17's claim is true then 13 is ES, a role we don't know about, Scum, Mason-factioned, or another faction we don't know about. Like I said even if 17 was telling the truth we don't know his or 13's alignment nor do we have any information on their roles. Hence why I said trying to lynch someone based on this, or buying any of it so fast is ridiculous. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On November 17 2010 11:53 Ace wrote: How is that unlikely? No roles have flipped and no countries have flipped so you do not know that. 13 doesn't have to be a soldier if he gets AID from anyone else. Do we know if it's a 2 or 3 person Mason group? We don't know ANYTHING about 13 or who he's allied to or what role him or his allies have. So you saying "that seems very unlikely" is bullshit. No information has been revealed through death. This is exactly what I have been saying this whole time. If 13 isn't soldier, he received aid. However, why would he receive aid from a townie who doesn't know his role for sure? Aid can only be sent to adjacent countries. So, even if Hesmyrr and 13 were masons, why would 13 be receiving aid? Unless there are more than 2 masons? Edit: format | ||
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Ace
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Hence why I don't trust SIFZ's agenda of trying to push Hessmyrr so fast. Their could be a third party, or the entire thing be third party pushing agenda as town but not being town aligned. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
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On November 17 2010 12:00 Ace wrote: @jcarl: Very possible. Hell, the one thing I'm sure of is that there is more than just Town and Scum in this game because there is no way with 24 players, the rule setup (Diplomacy) and Caller as mod that this is the case. Hence why I don't trust SIFZ's agenda of trying to push Hessmyrr so fast. Their could be a third party, or the entire thing be third party pushing agenda as town but not being town aligned. I agree that there is almost certainly more than just town and scum. The entirety of SIFZ being third-party? That would be a little far-fetched, no? This would mean that it was set as third-party from the start, as I don't think even if there were a missionary, he would convert the entire section in one night. In this scenario, it wouldn't make sense for LSB to announce SIFZ in the thread, and if they were all allied, the attack on Hesmyrr would have worked. | ||
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LSB
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On November 17 2010 11:53 Ace wrote: Um no I didn't. I never said someone other than 17 claimed to you. You quoted a bunch of posts and none if it says that. Uh.. you clearly talk about fake claiming... -.-. You even fake claimed that you were 16 yourself... Do you need me to quote that post again? How is that unlikely? No roles have flipped and no countries have flipped so you do not know that. 13 doesn't have to be a soldier if he gets AID from anyone else. Do we know if it's a 2 or 3 person Mason group? We don't know ANYTHING about 13 or who he's allied to or what role him or his allies have. So you saying "that seems very unlikely" is bullshit. No information has been revealed through death. You are clearly grasping at straws in an attempt to make a futile defense. I am pointing out what you are doing. Are you trying to convince me this is a solid argument? I'm not backing down from my "main point". Keep taking notes though, hope you've got a lot of paper to jot this all down. That is also not my defense of Hessmyrr. My defense of Hesmyrr is your unending motivation to see him lynched. If Hessmyrr is Scum, and you believe it to be so, and I'm defending him but he doesn't "confirm" my defense to you then what does that prove? nothing. Because I bet if Hessmyrr did "confirm" my defense of him your next point would be - LOOK! He is defending him and Hessmyrr confirmed! They are both scum! So you thought a lot about what Hesmyrr would do. Hmmm... Maybe I should use your same argument. Hey! Ace thought a lot about Hesmyrr! Maybe their scum buddies together You are defending him with stuff like, "Oh! 13 must have claimed to Hessmyrr"! Hesmyrr has denied that. So now your defending it with. "Oh Look! LSB is attacking Hesmyrr. That means that Hesmyrr can't be scum" This is a chainsaw defense. You are defending Hesmyrr by trying to make me look bad. . Lies. You had to know how attacks were going to happen, especially if you're in alliance. No way that an alliance of a few people ALL skipped that simple explanation. Then when your mishap was blown up by moi, you came up with some bullshit scenario that would have led to 24 and 23 both having to be scum, and there being a Scum mole in your group. LOL. Remember how quickly you stopped talking that shit when I shot it down? Exactly. So you've been jumping to conclusions all day to make Hessmyrr look bad. Uh what? Are you saying SIFZ attacked Hesmyrr so we can start an internal cleansing? Thats complete bull. We attacked him because 1) we like to expand. 2) He could have been scum. There's a reason why you aren't in here. It's because you reak of scum and desperation I stopped talking about that because Hesmyrr provided a coincidental explanation. However it happened again and I don't trust this many coincident. Look at my quote. What? You explained 18, I stopped talking about it. How does me explaining why someone would want to pop a province over a neutral have anything to do with the conversation with 18? You are REALLY grasping for straws here. You asked me about why the neutrals haven't popped. I awsered. Now you are accusing me of talking about something that you apparently didn't talk about? WTF is this shit? TL DR: Ace says "Hey! LSB Why are you talking about these things?" LSB says, "Because you asked me to" Ace says, "No I didn't" LSB goes. -.- | ||
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LSB
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On November 17 2010 11:56 Hesmyrr wrote: Okay, that part was mistake. Either way if you are not willing to reveal the identity of #17, then I will have to vote for you because this is a situation of "two people arguing with each other where someone out of one side will need to be lynched in order for argument to be resolved" like you aptly put it. You have been nitpicking for ways to portray me as suspicious ever since your attack on me have failed, and now is refusing to agree for #17 lynch that will provide more information unlike your previous post was willing to make. I understand your need to OMGUS me. But can you explain this sentence? I don't really get it and now is refusing to agree for #17 lynch that will provide more information unlike your previous post was willing to make. Are you saying we should lynch 17 even though no one has counterclaimed? | ||
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LSB
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On November 17 2010 12:00 Ace wrote: @jcarl: Very possible. Hell, the one thing I'm sure of is that there is more than just Town and Scum in this game because there is no way with 24 players, the rule setup (Diplomacy) and Caller as mod that this is the case. Hence why I don't trust SIFZ's agenda of trying to push Hessmyrr so fast. Their could be a third party, or the entire thing be third party pushing agenda as town but not being town aligned. Interesting. So your saying that 26, 28, 29, 30, 23, 22 are all communists/third party? What a coincidence. | ||
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LSB
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On November 17 2010 12:08 Hesmyrr wrote: By the way by "not decisive" on my last post, it means that his argument is completely up to interpretation, relying on sole basis that I absolutely knew 13 was attacked by asking "who attacked 13?" while the wording could go either way. The first time he attacked me wasn't any better, since it was completely and logically demolished as absolute nonsense. Now when I am trying to clarify matters he reverses his prior position and withholds information. On light of this action I have to believe this is more than townie making accusation, because he is being extremely dogmatic about his stance on me. Where did I reverse my prior position? And I have withheld information from the start. Look at the post. I am not going to reveal who 17 is. | ||
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LSB
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On November 17 2010 12:14 Hesmyrr wrote: No, lynching #17 will provide a solid flip, and you prior stated that you are willing to do this just to prove that you are on right side. But now when I asked for info on #17, you suddenly withdraw completely. I do not understand that change in stance. And are we really discussing counterclaims when only five people like posted since this argument started? I believe we have a misunderstanding. A question was brought up that what if it wasn't 17 that claimed to me, what if it was someone like 22 who was doing it to mess with me? I said that if someone counter claims, we lynch both to get a mafia. I never said that I would lynch 17 to confirm myself. | ||
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