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I said "Who attacked 13?". That does not mean I knew that 13 was attacked. You yourself just said I assumed that 13 had been attacked so don't know the change of tone here.
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On November 17 2010 11:18 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 11:11 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:04 Ace wrote:On November 17 2010 10:58 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 10:55 Hesmyrr wrote:
Can you specifically address which part, because I do not understand "Either that or 13 is an elite soilder" could mean anything but that 13 was attacked and I will abide by that position unless you tell me what I am getting wrong. Also how am I supposed to explain a PM from someone I never had contact with?
Also lol at fishing attempt. We were clearly talking about who attacked 14. Two people must have attacked 14 (We now know that this is not the case), so from process of elimination we narrowed it down to 17 and 13. How in the world did you get 13 was attacked from that? I don't know what you are trying to explain away, but your just a thrashing scum. So then why aren't you concerned about who attacked 18? 15 and 16 are both ya know, sitting right there. I'm not buying this. You don't know 17's affiliation but yet trust his PM and somehow that leads to THIS GUY MUST BE SCUM! Or is it that Hessmyrr figures that 13 must have been attacked and that means Hessmyrr is scum? So let's say 13 and Hessmyrr are allied but are both town so Hessmyrr knows 13's role. Hessmyrr slips up and gives away information that he should not have known. Considering almost everyone in here is talking through PMs (the thread is dead because of it) and I myself have had about 6 people try to rolefish me (lol) then how does this prove Hessmyrr is Scum?Explain. Your entire argument is full of useless bullshit speculation -.- I've already explained 18. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165431¤tpage=27#525The issue here is why was 13 protected, even though that 17 was attacking him. I find it interesting that you immediately divert focus from this pressing problem and throw up something dumb like, "Oh! Why wasn't 18 taken" All right. Country 17, if you did not PM me, please claimYou seriously considering this? This argument is as stupid as the "Oh hey! The watcher is labled wrong" argument. If the person who PMed me isn't country 17. It is incredibly easy to get a counter claim, and then boom. Mafia is revealed. 13 Claimed to Hesmyrr? All right Hesmyrr. Please confirm. Did 13 roleclaim to you? It's not bullshit. Day 1 you and kj somehow misread some simple rules and come up with some fabulous lie that explains Hessmyrr is scum until I shoot that down. I showed in two ways how that couldn't be possible even if you believed the rules worked the way they did. See the problem here? You are smart right? So there is no way you could have messed up that bad. Hence I feel as if you are really trying to get Hessmyrr lynched because you want one guy out of the game because it makes your alliance stronger. Even funnier is Pandain is in PM land asking me silly questions again, and he bandwagon voted so fast for Hessmyrr. Your alliance tried to attack him last night also and got butt hurt that he moved and now you're stuck. So why should I believe your shoddy case against Hessmyrr when so far all I can see is blind fanaticism to get rid of him? Likewise for people wondering why neutrals aren't popped - why take neutrals when you can take other players out? +1 vote is less useful than +1 vote and -1 to another player.
Let me explain your arguments to you again.
You are saying that Some other country that wasn't country 17 claimed to me. That's bull
You are saying that Hesmyrr and Country 13 are masons. -.-
You are saying that Hesmyrr and Country 13 played the PM game. Hesmyrr easily shot that down.
Of course your not going to 'believe' my case. That's because your scum and set on defending Hesmyrr
If your seriously trying to ask why 18 wasn't pop. Go look back 3 pages, I've already addressed this.
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LSB you sure seem to have a lot of ideas on "what mafia would do" don't you?
For example:
Mafia would not fake claim a country. It is too dangerous.
Secondly, if mafia really wanted to disrupt stuff, they would have claimed to be country 24 and say that they were attacked.
Real funny. So it's too dangerous for Scum to fake claim, but if they really wanted to mess stuff up they'd claim to be country 24.
Contradiction on the same page. So do you even believe the bs your spewing?
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On November 17 2010 11:26 Ace wrote:LSB you sure seem to have a lot of ideas on "what mafia would do" don't you? For example: Show nested quote +
Secondly, if mafia really wanted to disrupt stuff, they would have claimed to be country 24 and say that they were attacked.
Real funny. So it's too dangerous for Scum to fake claim, but if they really wanted to mess stuff up they'd claim to be country 24. Contradiction on the same page. So do you even believe the bs your spewing?
-.-
Ace you seem to have put lots of thought into what the mafia would do
Mafia would fakeclaim 17?
How Hypocritical can you get?
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On November 17 2010 11:25 Hesmyrr wrote:
I said "Who attacked 13?". That does not mean I knew that 13 was attacked. You yourself just said I assumed that 13 had been attacked so don't know the change of tone here.
Who attacked 13 implies that 13 had been attacked.
If you didn't know, you'd ask "Was 13 attacked?"
Big difference.
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On November 17 2010 11:21 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 11:16 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 17 2010 11:11 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:04 Ace wrote:On November 17 2010 10:58 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 10:55 Hesmyrr wrote:
Can you specifically address which part, because I do not understand "Either that or 13 is an elite soilder" could mean anything but that 13 was attacked and I will abide by that position unless you tell me what I am getting wrong. Also how am I supposed to explain a PM from someone I never had contact with?
Also lol at fishing attempt. We were clearly talking about who attacked 14. Two people must have attacked 14 (We now know that this is not the case), so from process of elimination we narrowed it down to 17 and 13. How in the world did you get 13 was attacked from that? I don't know what you are trying to explain away, but your just a thrashing scum. So then why aren't you concerned about who attacked 18? 15 and 16 are both ya know, sitting right there. I'm not buying this. You don't know 17's affiliation but yet trust his PM and somehow that leads to THIS GUY MUST BE SCUM! Or is it that Hessmyrr figures that 13 must have been attacked and that means Hessmyrr is scum? So let's say 13 and Hessmyrr are allied but are both town so Hessmyrr knows 13's role. Hessmyrr slips up and gives away information that he should not have known. Considering almost everyone in here is talking through PMs (the thread is dead because of it) and I myself have had about 6 people try to rolefish me (lol) then how does this prove Hessmyrr is Scum?Explain. Your entire argument is full of useless bullshit speculation -.- I've already explained 18. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165431¤tpage=27#525The issue here is why was 13 protected, even though that 17 was attacking him. I find it interesting that you immediately divert focus from this pressing problem and throw up something dumb like, "Oh! Why wasn't 18 taken" All right. Country 17, if you did not PM me, please claimYou seriously considering this? This argument is as stupid as the "Oh hey! The watcher is labled wrong" argument. If the person who PMed me isn't country 17. It is incredibly easy to get a counter claim, and then boom. Mafia is revealed. 13 Claimed to Hesmyrr? All right Hesmyrr. Please confirm. Did 13 roleclaim to you? More of the argument is why should you trust 17's claim? For all you know, 17 could have been scum claiming to you, or even a third faction. I doubt that if 17 were to claim to you, he would throw a friend into the crosshairs. So I think it can be said with certainty, that 17 was either town or non-town, non-13 allied. Okay, lets say country 17 in reality was Rastaban, and Infun claimed to me. Rastaban posts in thread. "NO I'M 17" Then I immediately know that Infun is lying and mafia. (Well I'll know that either Rastaban or Infun is mafia) Mafia would not fake claim a country. It is too dangerous. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's a good one. Hi guys I'm 16! Prove me wrong. Yo can't short of seeing me die and hoping Caller flips countries on death. Hell as Scum I just claimed a role that didn't exist last game and people believed it. Scum claim whatever they feel like. So unless YOU have some information that says otherwise then share with us. Then again, maybe you are Scum and came to that conclusion with your scum team yourself.
16 claims, we lynch both of you.
Note that 17 doesn't have a vote and only a slim chance of reviving. I don't think the real 17 would object if we had to lynch him (who's already dead) in order to take care of a mafia.
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On November 17 2010 11:26 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 11:18 Ace wrote:On November 17 2010 11:11 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:04 Ace wrote:On November 17 2010 10:58 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 10:55 Hesmyrr wrote:
Can you specifically address which part, because I do not understand "Either that or 13 is an elite soilder" could mean anything but that 13 was attacked and I will abide by that position unless you tell me what I am getting wrong. Also how am I supposed to explain a PM from someone I never had contact with?
Also lol at fishing attempt. We were clearly talking about who attacked 14. Two people must have attacked 14 (We now know that this is not the case), so from process of elimination we narrowed it down to 17 and 13. How in the world did you get 13 was attacked from that? I don't know what you are trying to explain away, but your just a thrashing scum. So then why aren't you concerned about who attacked 18? 15 and 16 are both ya know, sitting right there. I'm not buying this. You don't know 17's affiliation but yet trust his PM and somehow that leads to THIS GUY MUST BE SCUM! Or is it that Hessmyrr figures that 13 must have been attacked and that means Hessmyrr is scum? So let's say 13 and Hessmyrr are allied but are both town so Hessmyrr knows 13's role. Hessmyrr slips up and gives away information that he should not have known. Considering almost everyone in here is talking through PMs (the thread is dead because of it) and I myself have had about 6 people try to rolefish me (lol) then how does this prove Hessmyrr is Scum?Explain. Your entire argument is full of useless bullshit speculation -.- I've already explained 18. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165431¤tpage=27#525The issue here is why was 13 protected, even though that 17 was attacking him. I find it interesting that you immediately divert focus from this pressing problem and throw up something dumb like, "Oh! Why wasn't 18 taken" All right. Country 17, if you did not PM me, please claimYou seriously considering this? This argument is as stupid as the "Oh hey! The watcher is labled wrong" argument. If the person who PMed me isn't country 17. It is incredibly easy to get a counter claim, and then boom. Mafia is revealed. 13 Claimed to Hesmyrr? All right Hesmyrr. Please confirm. Did 13 roleclaim to you? It's not bullshit. Day 1 you and kj somehow misread some simple rules and come up with some fabulous lie that explains Hessmyrr is scum until I shoot that down. I showed in two ways how that couldn't be possible even if you believed the rules worked the way they did. See the problem here? You are smart right? So there is no way you could have messed up that bad. Hence I feel as if you are really trying to get Hessmyrr lynched because you want one guy out of the game because it makes your alliance stronger. Even funnier is Pandain is in PM land asking me silly questions again, and he bandwagon voted so fast for Hessmyrr. Your alliance tried to attack him last night also and got butt hurt that he moved and now you're stuck. So why should I believe your shoddy case against Hessmyrr when so far all I can see is blind fanaticism to get rid of him? Likewise for people wondering why neutrals aren't popped - why take neutrals when you can take other players out? +1 vote is less useful than +1 vote and -1 to another player. Let me explain your arguments to you again. ok go ahead playboy lolYou are saying that Some other country that wasn't country 17 claimed to me. That's bull Did I? No I didn't. I said 17 could be lying or you could be making it all up. You are saying that Hesmyrr and Country 13 are masons. -.- No, jcarl posted about how they could be allied and I said Masons.You are saying that Hesmyrr and Country 13 played the PM game. Hesmyrr easily shot that down. I said they COULD have. Secondly for someone you believe is Scum (Hessmyrr) then why are you believing his argument that he show down a PM? lol durrr?Of course your not going to 'believe' my case. That's because your scum and set on defending Hesmyrr No, it's because I'm a bad ass mofo that sees you have a motive for taking this guy out asap. He didn't slip up Day 1 - YOU slipped up and if I wasn't here to blast a hole into your "we misread the rules" shit you wouldn't have cared if you messed up the lynch. As long as he died thats all that mattered, especially since ya know you also tried to take his land that night.If your seriously trying to ask why 18 wasn't pop. Go look back 3 pages, I've already addressed this. Ok you addressed, it's not an issue anymore. I haven't even commented on this again so why bring this up?
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On November 17 2010 11:29 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 11:21 Ace wrote:On November 17 2010 11:16 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 17 2010 11:11 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:04 Ace wrote:On November 17 2010 10:58 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 10:55 Hesmyrr wrote:
Can you specifically address which part, because I do not understand "Either that or 13 is an elite soilder" could mean anything but that 13 was attacked and I will abide by that position unless you tell me what I am getting wrong. Also how am I supposed to explain a PM from someone I never had contact with?
Also lol at fishing attempt. We were clearly talking about who attacked 14. Two people must have attacked 14 (We now know that this is not the case), so from process of elimination we narrowed it down to 17 and 13. How in the world did you get 13 was attacked from that? I don't know what you are trying to explain away, but your just a thrashing scum. So then why aren't you concerned about who attacked 18? 15 and 16 are both ya know, sitting right there. I'm not buying this. You don't know 17's affiliation but yet trust his PM and somehow that leads to THIS GUY MUST BE SCUM! Or is it that Hessmyrr figures that 13 must have been attacked and that means Hessmyrr is scum? So let's say 13 and Hessmyrr are allied but are both town so Hessmyrr knows 13's role. Hessmyrr slips up and gives away information that he should not have known. Considering almost everyone in here is talking through PMs (the thread is dead because of it) and I myself have had about 6 people try to rolefish me (lol) then how does this prove Hessmyrr is Scum?Explain. Your entire argument is full of useless bullshit speculation -.- I've already explained 18. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165431¤tpage=27#525The issue here is why was 13 protected, even though that 17 was attacking him. I find it interesting that you immediately divert focus from this pressing problem and throw up something dumb like, "Oh! Why wasn't 18 taken" All right. Country 17, if you did not PM me, please claimYou seriously considering this? This argument is as stupid as the "Oh hey! The watcher is labled wrong" argument. If the person who PMed me isn't country 17. It is incredibly easy to get a counter claim, and then boom. Mafia is revealed. 13 Claimed to Hesmyrr? All right Hesmyrr. Please confirm. Did 13 roleclaim to you? More of the argument is why should you trust 17's claim? For all you know, 17 could have been scum claiming to you, or even a third faction. I doubt that if 17 were to claim to you, he would throw a friend into the crosshairs. So I think it can be said with certainty, that 17 was either town or non-town, non-13 allied. Okay, lets say country 17 in reality was Rastaban, and Infun claimed to me. Rastaban posts in thread. "NO I'M 17" Then I immediately know that Infun is lying and mafia. (Well I'll know that either Rastaban or Infun is mafia) Mafia would not fake claim a country. It is too dangerous. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's a good one. Hi guys I'm 16! Prove me wrong. Yo can't short of seeing me die and hoping Caller flips countries on death. Hell as Scum I just claimed a role that didn't exist last game and people believed it. Scum claim whatever they feel like. So unless YOU have some information that says otherwise then share with us. Then again, maybe you are Scum and came to that conclusion with your scum team yourself. 16 claims, we lynch both of you. Note that 17 doesn't have a vote and only a slim chance of reviving. I don't think the real 17 would object if we had to lynch him (who's already dead) in order to take care of a mafia.
Okay, 17 is saying that he probably wouldn't want to get lynched.
But if it comes down to it, lynching both people who claim to be 17 isn't going to hurt the town, because we don't lose any townie votes.
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On November 17 2010 11:31 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 11:29 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:21 Ace wrote:On November 17 2010 11:16 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 17 2010 11:11 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:04 Ace wrote:On November 17 2010 10:58 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 10:55 Hesmyrr wrote:
Can you specifically address which part, because I do not understand "Either that or 13 is an elite soilder" could mean anything but that 13 was attacked and I will abide by that position unless you tell me what I am getting wrong. Also how am I supposed to explain a PM from someone I never had contact with?
Also lol at fishing attempt. We were clearly talking about who attacked 14. Two people must have attacked 14 (We now know that this is not the case), so from process of elimination we narrowed it down to 17 and 13. How in the world did you get 13 was attacked from that? I don't know what you are trying to explain away, but your just a thrashing scum. So then why aren't you concerned about who attacked 18? 15 and 16 are both ya know, sitting right there. I'm not buying this. You don't know 17's affiliation but yet trust his PM and somehow that leads to THIS GUY MUST BE SCUM! Or is it that Hessmyrr figures that 13 must have been attacked and that means Hessmyrr is scum? So let's say 13 and Hessmyrr are allied but are both town so Hessmyrr knows 13's role. Hessmyrr slips up and gives away information that he should not have known. Considering almost everyone in here is talking through PMs (the thread is dead because of it) and I myself have had about 6 people try to rolefish me (lol) then how does this prove Hessmyrr is Scum?Explain. Your entire argument is full of useless bullshit speculation -.- I've already explained 18. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165431¤tpage=27#525The issue here is why was 13 protected, even though that 17 was attacking him. I find it interesting that you immediately divert focus from this pressing problem and throw up something dumb like, "Oh! Why wasn't 18 taken" All right. Country 17, if you did not PM me, please claimYou seriously considering this? This argument is as stupid as the "Oh hey! The watcher is labled wrong" argument. If the person who PMed me isn't country 17. It is incredibly easy to get a counter claim, and then boom. Mafia is revealed. 13 Claimed to Hesmyrr? All right Hesmyrr. Please confirm. Did 13 roleclaim to you? More of the argument is why should you trust 17's claim? For all you know, 17 could have been scum claiming to you, or even a third faction. I doubt that if 17 were to claim to you, he would throw a friend into the crosshairs. So I think it can be said with certainty, that 17 was either town or non-town, non-13 allied. Okay, lets say country 17 in reality was Rastaban, and Infun claimed to me. Rastaban posts in thread. "NO I'M 17" Then I immediately know that Infun is lying and mafia. (Well I'll know that either Rastaban or Infun is mafia) Mafia would not fake claim a country. It is too dangerous. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's a good one. Hi guys I'm 16! Prove me wrong. Yo can't short of seeing me die and hoping Caller flips countries on death. Hell as Scum I just claimed a role that didn't exist last game and people believed it. Scum claim whatever they feel like. So unless YOU have some information that says otherwise then share with us. Then again, maybe you are Scum and came to that conclusion with your scum team yourself. 16 claims, we lynch both of you. Note that 17 doesn't have a vote and only a slim chance of reviving. I don't think the real 17 would object if we had to lynch him (who's already dead) in order to take care of a mafia. Okay, 17 is saying that he probably wouldn't want to get lynched. But if it comes down to it, lynching both people who claim to be 17 isn't going to hurt the town, because we don't lose any townie votes.
I assume most people playing this game probably wouldn't want to get lynched =P
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On November 17 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 11:26 Ace wrote:LSB you sure seem to have a lot of ideas on "what mafia would do" don't you? For example:
Mafia would not fake claim a country. It is too dangerous.
Secondly, if mafia really wanted to disrupt stuff, they would have claimed to be country 24 and say that they were attacked.
Real funny. So it's too dangerous for Scum to fake claim, but if they really wanted to mess stuff up they'd claim to be country 24. Contradiction on the same page. So do you even believe the bs your spewing? -.- Ace you seem to have put lots of thought into what the mafia would do Mafia would fakeclaim 17? How Hypocritical can you get?
The difference is I never said anything about Mafia not being able to fakeclaim - you did. Then immediately said right after Scum could fakeclaim 24 to mess things up. Stop squirming.
On November 17 2010 11:29 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 11:21 Ace wrote:On November 17 2010 11:16 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 17 2010 11:11 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:04 Ace wrote:On November 17 2010 10:58 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 10:55 Hesmyrr wrote:
Can you specifically address which part, because I do not understand "Either that or 13 is an elite soilder" could mean anything but that 13 was attacked and I will abide by that position unless you tell me what I am getting wrong. Also how am I supposed to explain a PM from someone I never had contact with?
Also lol at fishing attempt. We were clearly talking about who attacked 14. Two people must have attacked 14 (We now know that this is not the case), so from process of elimination we narrowed it down to 17 and 13. How in the world did you get 13 was attacked from that? I don't know what you are trying to explain away, but your just a thrashing scum. So then why aren't you concerned about who attacked 18? 15 and 16 are both ya know, sitting right there. I'm not buying this. You don't know 17's affiliation but yet trust his PM and somehow that leads to THIS GUY MUST BE SCUM! Or is it that Hessmyrr figures that 13 must have been attacked and that means Hessmyrr is scum? So let's say 13 and Hessmyrr are allied but are both town so Hessmyrr knows 13's role. Hessmyrr slips up and gives away information that he should not have known. Considering almost everyone in here is talking through PMs (the thread is dead because of it) and I myself have had about 6 people try to rolefish me (lol) then how does this prove Hessmyrr is Scum?Explain. Your entire argument is full of useless bullshit speculation -.- I've already explained 18. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165431¤tpage=27#525The issue here is why was 13 protected, even though that 17 was attacking him. I find it interesting that you immediately divert focus from this pressing problem and throw up something dumb like, "Oh! Why wasn't 18 taken" All right. Country 17, if you did not PM me, please claimYou seriously considering this? This argument is as stupid as the "Oh hey! The watcher is labled wrong" argument. If the person who PMed me isn't country 17. It is incredibly easy to get a counter claim, and then boom. Mafia is revealed. 13 Claimed to Hesmyrr? All right Hesmyrr. Please confirm. Did 13 roleclaim to you? More of the argument is why should you trust 17's claim? For all you know, 17 could have been scum claiming to you, or even a third faction. I doubt that if 17 were to claim to you, he would throw a friend into the crosshairs. So I think it can be said with certainty, that 17 was either town or non-town, non-13 allied. Okay, lets say country 17 in reality was Rastaban, and Infun claimed to me. Rastaban posts in thread. "NO I'M 17" Then I immediately know that Infun is lying and mafia. (Well I'll know that either Rastaban or Infun is mafia) Mafia would not fake claim a country. It is too dangerous. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's a good one. Hi guys I'm 16! Prove me wrong. Yo can't short of seeing me die and hoping Caller flips countries on death. Hell as Scum I just claimed a role that didn't exist last game and people believed it. Scum claim whatever they feel like. So unless YOU have some information that says otherwise then share with us. Then again, maybe you are Scum and came to that conclusion with your scum team yourself. 16 claims, we lynch both of you. Note that 17 doesn't have a vote and only a slim chance of reviving. I don't think the real 17 would object if we had to lynch him (who's already dead) in order to take care of a mafia.
What if 16 doesn't claim? What if 16 thinks he has powers or allies that can take care of the fakeclaim? You don't know.
A "slim chance of reviving"? The real 17 wouldn't object if we had to lynch him? Really? So a person with 0 votes but a role would want to die?
Not buying that shit.
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On November 17 2010 11:28 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 11:25 Hesmyrr wrote:
I said "Who attacked 13?". That does not mean I knew that 13 was attacked. You yourself just said I assumed that 13 had been attacked so don't know the change of tone here. Who attacked 13 implies that 13 had been attacked. If you didn't know, you'd ask "Was 13 attacked?" Big difference.
Yes, because as, I repeat this again, I thought several people were saying that 13 was attacked, due to posts that repeatedly mentioned that 13 had to be either supported or elite soldier. Which is why asked the question to those individuals, "who attacked 13?". That I knew 13 was attacked because I didn't choose to phrase it as how you word is nitpicking. And this isn't even mentioning why I would even ask such a thing if I knew 13 was attacked.
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On November 17 2010 11:31 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 11:26 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:18 Ace wrote:On November 17 2010 11:11 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:04 Ace wrote:On November 17 2010 10:58 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 10:55 Hesmyrr wrote:
Can you specifically address which part, because I do not understand "Either that or 13 is an elite soilder" could mean anything but that 13 was attacked and I will abide by that position unless you tell me what I am getting wrong. Also how am I supposed to explain a PM from someone I never had contact with?
Also lol at fishing attempt. We were clearly talking about who attacked 14. Two people must have attacked 14 (We now know that this is not the case), so from process of elimination we narrowed it down to 17 and 13. How in the world did you get 13 was attacked from that? I don't know what you are trying to explain away, but your just a thrashing scum. So then why aren't you concerned about who attacked 18? 15 and 16 are both ya know, sitting right there. I'm not buying this. You don't know 17's affiliation but yet trust his PM and somehow that leads to THIS GUY MUST BE SCUM! Or is it that Hessmyrr figures that 13 must have been attacked and that means Hessmyrr is scum? So let's say 13 and Hessmyrr are allied but are both town so Hessmyrr knows 13's role. Hessmyrr slips up and gives away information that he should not have known. Considering almost everyone in here is talking through PMs (the thread is dead because of it) and I myself have had about 6 people try to rolefish me (lol) then how does this prove Hessmyrr is Scum?Explain. Your entire argument is full of useless bullshit speculation -.- I've already explained 18. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165431¤tpage=27#525The issue here is why was 13 protected, even though that 17 was attacking him. I find it interesting that you immediately divert focus from this pressing problem and throw up something dumb like, "Oh! Why wasn't 18 taken" All right. Country 17, if you did not PM me, please claimYou seriously considering this? This argument is as stupid as the "Oh hey! The watcher is labled wrong" argument. If the person who PMed me isn't country 17. It is incredibly easy to get a counter claim, and then boom. Mafia is revealed. 13 Claimed to Hesmyrr? All right Hesmyrr. Please confirm. Did 13 roleclaim to you? It's not bullshit. Day 1 you and kj somehow misread some simple rules and come up with some fabulous lie that explains Hessmyrr is scum until I shoot that down. I showed in two ways how that couldn't be possible even if you believed the rules worked the way they did. See the problem here? You are smart right? So there is no way you could have messed up that bad. Hence I feel as if you are really trying to get Hessmyrr lynched because you want one guy out of the game because it makes your alliance stronger. Even funnier is Pandain is in PM land asking me silly questions again, and he bandwagon voted so fast for Hessmyrr. Your alliance tried to attack him last night also and got butt hurt that he moved and now you're stuck. So why should I believe your shoddy case against Hessmyrr when so far all I can see is blind fanaticism to get rid of him? Likewise for people wondering why neutrals aren't popped - why take neutrals when you can take other players out? +1 vote is less useful than +1 vote and -1 to another player. Let me explain your arguments to you again. ok go ahead playboy lolYou are saying that Some other country that wasn't country 17 claimed to me. That's bull Did I? No I didn't. I said 17 could be lying or you could be making it all up. You are saying that Hesmyrr and Country 13 are masons. -.- No, jcarl posted about how they could be allied and I said Masons.You are saying that Hesmyrr and Country 13 played the PM game. Hesmyrr easily shot that down. I said they COULD have. Secondly for someone you believe is Scum (Hessmyrr) then why are you believing his argument that he show down a PM? lol durrr?Of course your not going to 'believe' my case. That's because your scum and set on defending Hesmyrr No, it's because I'm a bad ass mofo that sees you have a motive for taking this guy out asap. He didn't slip up Day 1 - YOU slipped up and if I wasn't here to blast a hole into your "we misread the rules" shit you wouldn't have cared if you messed up the lynch. As long as he died thats all that mattered, especially since ya know you also tried to take his land that night.If your seriously trying to ask why 18 wasn't pop. Go look back 3 pages, I've already addressed this. Ok you addressed, it's not an issue anymore. I haven't even commented on this again so why bring this up?
Did I? No I didn't. I said 17 could be lying or you could be making it all up.
Yes you did, and to further this you even made this post
On November 17 2010 11:21 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 11:16 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 17 2010 11:11 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:04 Ace wrote:On November 17 2010 10:58 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 10:55 Hesmyrr wrote:
Can you specifically address which part, because I do not understand "Either that or 13 is an elite soilder" could mean anything but that 13 was attacked and I will abide by that position unless you tell me what I am getting wrong. Also how am I supposed to explain a PM from someone I never had contact with?
Also lol at fishing attempt. We were clearly talking about who attacked 14. Two people must have attacked 14 (We now know that this is not the case), so from process of elimination we narrowed it down to 17 and 13. How in the world did you get 13 was attacked from that? I don't know what you are trying to explain away, but your just a thrashing scum. So then why aren't you concerned about who attacked 18? 15 and 16 are both ya know, sitting right there. I'm not buying this. You don't know 17's affiliation but yet trust his PM and somehow that leads to THIS GUY MUST BE SCUM! Or is it that Hessmyrr figures that 13 must have been attacked and that means Hessmyrr is scum? So let's say 13 and Hessmyrr are allied but are both town so Hessmyrr knows 13's role. Hessmyrr slips up and gives away information that he should not have known. Considering almost everyone in here is talking through PMs (the thread is dead because of it) and I myself have had about 6 people try to rolefish me (lol) then how does this prove Hessmyrr is Scum?Explain. Your entire argument is full of useless bullshit speculation -.- I've already explained 18. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165431¤tpage=27#525The issue here is why was 13 protected, even though that 17 was attacking him. I find it interesting that you immediately divert focus from this pressing problem and throw up something dumb like, "Oh! Why wasn't 18 taken" All right. Country 17, if you did not PM me, please claimYou seriously considering this? This argument is as stupid as the "Oh hey! The watcher is labled wrong" argument. If the person who PMed me isn't country 17. It is incredibly easy to get a counter claim, and then boom. Mafia is revealed. 13 Claimed to Hesmyrr? All right Hesmyrr. Please confirm. Did 13 roleclaim to you? More of the argument is why should you trust 17's claim? For all you know, 17 could have been scum claiming to you, or even a third faction. I doubt that if 17 were to claim to you, he would throw a friend into the crosshairs. So I think it can be said with certainty, that 17 was either town or non-town, non-13 allied. Okay, lets say country 17 in reality was Rastaban, and Infun claimed to me. Rastaban posts in thread. "NO I'M 17" Then I immediately know that Infun is lying and mafia. (Well I'll know that either Rastaban or Infun is mafia) Mafia would not fake claim a country. It is too dangerous. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's a good one. Hi guys I'm 16! Prove me wrong. Yo can't short of seeing me die and hoping Caller flips countries on death. Hell as Scum I just claimed a role that didn't exist last game and people believed it. Scum claim whatever they feel like. So unless YOU have some information that says otherwise then share with us. Then again, maybe you are Scum and came to that conclusion with your scum team yourself.
No, jcarl posted about how they could be allied and I said Masons.
Exactly, you are speculating that they could be Masons. That seems very unlikely, especially if they were both town 13 would have to be a solider.
I said they COULD have. Secondly for someone you believe is Scum (Hessmyrr) then why are you believing his argument that he show down a PM? lol durrr?
Firstly, this was the main point of your argument you are now backing down on your main point <noted>
Secondly, this is your main defense of Hesmyrr. I'm giving Hesmyrr a chance to confirm your defense of him. He didn't. There goes your defense.
No, it's because I'm a bad ass mofo that sees you have a motive for taking this guy out asap. He didn't slip up Day 1 - YOU slipped up and if I wasn't here to blast a hole into your "we misread the rules" shit you wouldn't have cared if you messed up the lynch. As long as he died thats all that mattered, especially since ya know you also tried to take his land that night.
I don't get how "we misread the rules" applies to Hesmyrr knowing what was going to happen. We just sent in our night action wrong.
That is my motivation
Ok you addressed, it's not an issue anymore. I haven't even commented on this again so why bring this up?
Explain
Likewise for people wondering why neutrals aren't popped - why take neutrals when you can take other players out? +1 vote is less useful than +1 vote and -1 to another player.
Stop contradicting yourself, it is getting seriously annoying
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On November 17 2010 11:35 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 11:27 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:26 Ace wrote:LSB you sure seem to have a lot of ideas on "what mafia would do" don't you? For example:
Mafia would not fake claim a country. It is too dangerous.
Secondly, if mafia really wanted to disrupt stuff, they would have claimed to be country 24 and say that they were attacked.
Real funny. So it's too dangerous for Scum to fake claim, but if they really wanted to mess stuff up they'd claim to be country 24. Contradiction on the same page. So do you even believe the bs your spewing? -.- Ace you seem to have put lots of thought into what the mafia would do Mafia would fakeclaim 17? How Hypocritical can you get? The difference is I never said anything about Mafia not being able to fakeclaim - you did. Then immediately said right after Scum could fakeclaim 24 to mess things up. Stop squirming. Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 11:29 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:21 Ace wrote:On November 17 2010 11:16 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 17 2010 11:11 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:04 Ace wrote:On November 17 2010 10:58 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 10:55 Hesmyrr wrote:
Can you specifically address which part, because I do not understand "Either that or 13 is an elite soilder" could mean anything but that 13 was attacked and I will abide by that position unless you tell me what I am getting wrong. Also how am I supposed to explain a PM from someone I never had contact with?
Also lol at fishing attempt. We were clearly talking about who attacked 14. Two people must have attacked 14 (We now know that this is not the case), so from process of elimination we narrowed it down to 17 and 13. How in the world did you get 13 was attacked from that? I don't know what you are trying to explain away, but your just a thrashing scum. So then why aren't you concerned about who attacked 18? 15 and 16 are both ya know, sitting right there. I'm not buying this. You don't know 17's affiliation but yet trust his PM and somehow that leads to THIS GUY MUST BE SCUM! Or is it that Hessmyrr figures that 13 must have been attacked and that means Hessmyrr is scum? So let's say 13 and Hessmyrr are allied but are both town so Hessmyrr knows 13's role. Hessmyrr slips up and gives away information that he should not have known. Considering almost everyone in here is talking through PMs (the thread is dead because of it) and I myself have had about 6 people try to rolefish me (lol) then how does this prove Hessmyrr is Scum?Explain. Your entire argument is full of useless bullshit speculation -.- I've already explained 18. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165431¤tpage=27#525The issue here is why was 13 protected, even though that 17 was attacking him. I find it interesting that you immediately divert focus from this pressing problem and throw up something dumb like, "Oh! Why wasn't 18 taken" All right. Country 17, if you did not PM me, please claimYou seriously considering this? This argument is as stupid as the "Oh hey! The watcher is labled wrong" argument. If the person who PMed me isn't country 17. It is incredibly easy to get a counter claim, and then boom. Mafia is revealed. 13 Claimed to Hesmyrr? All right Hesmyrr. Please confirm. Did 13 roleclaim to you? More of the argument is why should you trust 17's claim? For all you know, 17 could have been scum claiming to you, or even a third faction. I doubt that if 17 were to claim to you, he would throw a friend into the crosshairs. So I think it can be said with certainty, that 17 was either town or non-town, non-13 allied. Okay, lets say country 17 in reality was Rastaban, and Infun claimed to me. Rastaban posts in thread. "NO I'M 17" Then I immediately know that Infun is lying and mafia. (Well I'll know that either Rastaban or Infun is mafia) Mafia would not fake claim a country. It is too dangerous. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's a good one. Hi guys I'm 16! Prove me wrong. Yo can't short of seeing me die and hoping Caller flips countries on death. Hell as Scum I just claimed a role that didn't exist last game and people believed it. Scum claim whatever they feel like. So unless YOU have some information that says otherwise then share with us. Then again, maybe you are Scum and came to that conclusion with your scum team yourself. 16 claims, we lynch both of you. Note that 17 doesn't have a vote and only a slim chance of reviving. I don't think the real 17 would object if we had to lynch him (who's already dead) in order to take care of a mafia. What if 16 doesn't claim? What if 16 thinks he has powers or allies that can take care of the fakeclaim? You don't know. A "slim chance of reviving"? The real 17 wouldn't object if we had to lynch him? Really? So a person with 0 votes but a role would want to die? Not buying that shit.
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I am doing incentives based analysis.
Mafia has more incentives to do one action than the other.
What do you do in response? Close your ears and yell Lalalallalalalalalalallaa?
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I find it really suspicious that you would prefer lynch of normal player over individual with 0 votes and whom you only have contact with.
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On November 17 2010 11:36 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 11:28 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:25 Hesmyrr wrote:
I said "Who attacked 13?". That does not mean I knew that 13 was attacked. You yourself just said I assumed that 13 had been attacked so don't know the change of tone here. Who attacked 13 implies that 13 had been attacked. If you didn't know, you'd ask "Was 13 attacked?" Big difference. Yes, because as, I repeat this again, I thought several people were saying that 13 was attacked, due to posts that repeatedly mentioned that 13 had to be either supported or elite soldier. Which is why asked the question to those individuals, "who attacked 13?". That I knew 13 was attacked because I didn't choose to phrase it as how you word is nitpicking. And this isn't even mentioning why I would even ask such a thing if I knew 13 was attacked.
So where was it implied that 13 was attacked?
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On November 17 2010 11:41 Hesmyrr wrote:
I find it really suspicious that you would prefer lynch of normal player over individual with 0 votes and whom you only have contact with.
I am saying that I would be willing to sacrifice a dead townie for a live Mafia.
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On November 17 2010 11:41 Hesmyrr wrote:
I find it really suspicious that you would prefer lynch of normal player over individual with 0 votes and whom you only have contact with.
Well, a player with 0 votes and no territory to attack with isn't very scary, no is he? haha
Also, I think it's a bit naive to think that only LSB would have contact with him. 17 could very easily be contacting many people, but only have claimed to LSB. Since he is still (technically) in the game, there is no reason for everybody to know who he is. Adds one more level of deception I guess.
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On November 17 2010 11:42 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 11:36 Hesmyrr wrote:On November 17 2010 11:28 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:25 Hesmyrr wrote:
I said "Who attacked 13?". That does not mean I knew that 13 was attacked. You yourself just said I assumed that 13 had been attacked so don't know the change of tone here. Who attacked 13 implies that 13 had been attacked. If you didn't know, you'd ask "Was 13 attacked?" Big difference. Yes, because as, I repeat this again, I thought several people were saying that 13 was attacked, due to posts that repeatedly mentioned that 13 had to be either supported or elite soldier. Which is why asked the question to those individuals, "who attacked 13?". That I knew 13 was attacked because I didn't choose to phrase it as how you word is nitpicking. And this isn't even mentioning why I would even ask such a thing if I knew 13 was attacked. So where was it implied that 13 was attacked?
Read what I am saying. Also I would prefer if you revealed the identity of #17 publicly, because frankly this 'trust me' argument with you is getting tiring.
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On November 17 2010 11:43 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 11:41 Hesmyrr wrote:
I find it really suspicious that you would prefer lynch of normal player over individual with 0 votes and whom you only have contact with. I am saying that I would be willing to sacrifice a dead townie for a live Mafia.
If this is true can you agree to compromise lynch of #17? Not a bad trade-off since according to you, it's going to net you two easy scum.
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On November 17 2010 11:45 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 11:42 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:36 Hesmyrr wrote:On November 17 2010 11:28 LSB wrote:On November 17 2010 11:25 Hesmyrr wrote:
I said "Who attacked 13?". That does not mean I knew that 13 was attacked. You yourself just said I assumed that 13 had been attacked so don't know the change of tone here. Who attacked 13 implies that 13 had been attacked. If you didn't know, you'd ask "Was 13 attacked?" Big difference. Yes, because as, I repeat this again, I thought several people were saying that 13 was attacked, due to posts that repeatedly mentioned that 13 had to be either supported or elite soldier. Which is why asked the question to those individuals, "who attacked 13?". That I knew 13 was attacked because I didn't choose to phrase it as how you word is nitpicking. And this isn't even mentioning why I would even ask such a thing if I knew 13 was attacked. So where was it implied that 13 was attacked? Read what I am saying. Also I would prefer if you revealed the identity of #17 publicly, because frankly this 'trust me' argument with you is getting tiring.
I went through and searched for places where it said that 13 received support. I didn't find any. I'm asking you where you got that idea?
Of course I'm not going to reveal the identity of 17
It's very simple. Just like me as tracker in Deconduo's game. If 17 did not claim to me. Please claim now
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